Re: A question or 2 regarding MMS...... Babesia

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Thank you so much for posting this! What a well detailed protocol you have

provided for us with Babs...you will save many people precious time.

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> > > **

> > >

> > >

> > > Hey Jim,

> > >

> > > I've been a lurker on the Lyme_and_Rife egroup for a few years now - but

> > > have yet to officially introduce myself or ask any questions.

> > >

> > > In short - I contracted Lyme (as well as strains of babesia & bartonella)

> > > when travelling around Northern China (Hebei Province) around this time of

> > > the year back in 2006 and got bit by a tick there. After I returned to

> > > Canada, I spent the subsequent few years trying to convince the doctor(s)

> > > that this is what I in fact had.

> > >

> > > By this time - it had turned into classic chronic ( & neurological) lyme -

> > > where I was suffering from general & acute anxiety, panic attacks,

> > > pseudo-seizures, as well a long list of other typical lymie symptoms.

> > >

> > > The Fall of 2009 I purchased a Doug Coil, and over the next 18-20 months

> > > managed to kill off the baronella, the majority (if not all) of the

> > > babesia, as well as the majority of the lyme. I was probably at this point

> > > 80% back to normal - many symptoms vanished all together.

> > >

> > > Around last Summer/Fall I was no longer getting any benefit from the

> > > rifing anymore, no matter how much time I was spending doing it (and which

> > > frequencies/strengths I was trying). So I thought I'd try alternative

> > > treatments.

> > >

> > > I switched over to the Byron White Formulas: A-L, A-BAB, and A-BART for

> > > about 6 months and although while taking them I didn't seem to receive

> > > massive herxes - I saw again a slowly but sure steady improvement on the

> > > symptoms. Those formulas took me from about 80% up to about 90-95%

> > > recovered.

> > >

> > > Actually, the majority of the days now I feel close to what many would

> > > consider as normal. It is mainly for the 2-3 days around the full moon

that

> > > I have any issues now. And even the flare ups on those days have

> > > significantly diminished in intensity. Typically only mild headaches, and

> > > slight increase in the general anxiety, the panic attacks on those days

are

> > > almost under control on those days as well - with the help of meditation &

> > > breathing techniques.

> > >

> > > The only other symptoms remaining now other than the above which I

> > > experience regularly are: eye floaters, and tinnitus/ringing in the ears.

> > >

> > > So as of maybe 2 months ago - since I was no longer seeing benefits from

> > > the Byron White Formulas I began to search again for alternative

treatments

> > > for the Lyme. Which is when I started taking an interest in the MMS &

> > > Essiac Tea. About 3 weeks ago I placed an order for the MMS, and about a

> > > week later the Essiac Herbs from the links you provided.

> > >

> > > The MMS arrived quickly (within a week) - so I started on the 1000

> > > Protocol about 2 weeks ago. I already had the same 32oz rubbermaid

> > > container you referenced - so Day 1 mixed 8 drops of the MMS, with the 8

> > > drops of Citric Acid Solution and consumed it over the 8 hours.

> > >

> > > (if I was going to herx - traditionally for the lyme I'd know within an

> > > hour of the treatment, within minutes for Babesia and Bartonella)

> > >

> > > But Day 1 no herx.

> > >

> > > So Day 2 I went up 16 drops of each - 2 drops per hour. No herx.

> > > So Day 3 I increased it to 24 drops total - 3 drops per hour. Still no

> > > herx - but this was the maximum # of drops for the 1000 Protocol so I

> > > stayed here for Days 4 and 5. Still nothing.

> > >

> > > Days 6,7, 8 and 9 - I went up to 32 drops total (or 4 drops per hour). So

> > > now am transitioning into the 2000 Protocol.

> > >

> > > Yesterday and today were up to the 40 drops in total (or 5 drops per hour

> > > for 8 hours). Yesterday was the first day since I started taking the MMS

> > > that I would say I was herxing. It started about an hour after taking the

> > > first dose (5 drops), just a mild headache that persisted the remainder of

> > > the day, as well as a general blah feeling - like the body is trying to

get

> > > rid of alot of dead bacteria.

> > >

> > > Today I stayed at the same # of drops. No headache so far, and the blah

> > > feeling is greatly diminished.....

> > > ______________________________________________________

> > >

> > > So now the questions:

> > >

> > > 1) A couple days ago in a post of yours I noticed the you commented on

> > > after reaching 24 drops per day (3 drops per hour) to add it 1/8 tsp. of

> > > Baking Soda.

> > >

> > > At what point during the preparation process do you add that in?

> > > Towards the beginning when you've first mixed the MMS with the Citric

> > > Acid, or is it more separately just before consuming (with the 3 drops of

> > > each in 4 oz. of water)? Or does it matter?

> > >

> > > 2) If you were in my shoes, where would 'you' go from here - in trying to

> > > kill that last 5% off? Continue on with the 2000 Protocol? Add in the

DMSO?

> > >

> > > Your advice is greatly appreciated,

> > >

> > >

> > > P.S. - the Essiac Herbs still have yet to arrive (but should be here any

> > > day), I've been using the l-glutamine for many, many years. Originally as

a

> > > sports supplement (before contracting Lyme) to mainly repair the muscles,

> > > and keep the immune system boosted. But now it also serves (as you've

> > > mentioned many times) the purpose of removing excess ammonia from the

> > > system - which I've REALLY needed over the years.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Hi , whan you say upper body and lower body, where exactly were you holding the coil?

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:20 PMSubject: Re: A question or 2 regarding MMS...... Babesia

Hey Barbara,It was the babesia that was giving me the most grief (drenching night sweats, extreme chronic fatigue, shortness of breath, daily migraines, etc...) - accordingly I decided to tackle that one first. So long as I could stay ahead of the herx symptoms by drinking lots of water (staying well hydrated), and in general - detoxing, detoxing, and more detoxing. Rifing every 2 days at 570Hz increasing the duration a bit every session seemed to kill of the majority of it.....For example:Day Area of the Body Rifing Duration---- ---------------- ---------------1 Liver 30 sec3 " 1 min5 " 3 min7 " 6 min9 " 9 min11 Liver 10 minUpper Body 2 min13 Liver 10 minLower Body 2 min15 Liver 10 minUpper Body 5 min17 Liver 10 minLower Body 5 minI then continued oscillating between 'Day 15' & 'Day 17' (with the same time durations &

areas of the body rifed) for about 2 months. The amperage for the coil was set to 12.5A - 13A during this time.Then I changed the routine to:10 min Liver5 min Upper Body5 min Lower Body every 2 days at 570Hz for another 4 months.From here, once the babesia symptoms plateaued off (aka - ceased to improve) I then started adding in another frequency: 1583 Hz. So I stuck to the above routine (at 570 Hz) on the odd days, and on the even days did the following (at 1583 Hz):2 Liver 30 sec4 " 1 min6 " 2 min8 " 4 min10 " 6 min12 " 8 min14 " 10 min16 Liver 10 minUpper Body 2 minLower Body 2 min18 Liver 10 minUpper Body 5 minLower Body 5 minAt this point, I maintained this routine for another 3 months (liver - 10 min, upper body - 5 min, lower body - 5 min, 570 Hz on odd days, 1583 Hz on even days). By this time the night sweats, extreme chronic fatigue,

shortness of breath, dark cloudy urine, etc.... had all but disappeared. The herxing had stopped for these frequencies as well.I tried 76 Hz (another supposed babesia frequency) a few times - but didn't herx at all.At such time (just to be on the safe side) - I decided to take Dr. Z's artemisin caplets for 2 weeks, and chanca piedra (a South American anti-malarial herb that some had taken for babesia as well) caplets for 2 weeks after that. No herxing by either herb.That was 8 months ago - since I stopped treatment for babesia by rifing. None of the typical babesia symptoms have come back since.Now for my body (and the fact that I was detoxing like crazy) I was able to stay ahead of the significant herxing while coiling at that expedited pace.Most people I am guessing cannot go at this speed.So for most people with babesia, just try to rife every 2 days. Keep the time duration either the same (or slightly

more) each subsequent time. Don't rife if you are still in the process of recovering from the previous session though.Regards, P.S. - I'll write about the Lyme & Bart in a separate post tomorrow.> > > **> >> >> > Hey Jim,> >> > I've been a lurker on the Lyme_and_Rife egroup for a few years now - but> > have yet to officially introduce myself or ask any questions.> >> > In short - I contracted Lyme (as well as strains of babesia & bartonella)> > when travelling around Northern China (Hebei Province) around this time of> > the year back in

2006 and got bit by a tick there. After I returned to> > Canada, I spent the subsequent few years trying to convince the doctor(s)> > that this is what I in fact had.> >> > By this time - it had turned into classic chronic ( & neurological) lyme -> > where I was suffering from general & acute anxiety, panic attacks,> > pseudo-seizures, as well a long list of other typical lymie symptoms.> >> > The Fall of 2009 I purchased a Doug Coil, and over the next 18-20 months> > managed to kill off the baronella, the majority (if not all) of the> > babesia, as well as the majority of the lyme. I was probably at this point> > 80% back to normal - many symptoms vanished all together.> >> > Around last Summer/Fall I was no longer getting any benefit from the> > rifing anymore, no matter how much time I was spending doing

it (and which> > frequencies/strengths I was trying). So I thought I'd try alternative> > treatments.> >> > I switched over to the Byron White Formulas: A-L, A-BAB, and A-BART for> > about 6 months and although while taking them I didn't seem to receive> > massive herxes - I saw again a slowly but sure steady improvement on the> > symptoms. Those formulas took me from about 80% up to about 90-95%> > recovered.> >> > Actually, the majority of the days now I feel close to what many would> > consider as normal. It is mainly for the 2-3 days around the full moon that> > I have any issues now. And even the flare ups on those days have> > significantly diminished in intensity. Typically only mild headaches, and> > slight increase in the general anxiety, the panic attacks on those days are> > almost under control

on those days as well - with the help of meditation & > > breathing techniques.> >> > The only other symptoms remaining now other than the above which I> > experience regularly are: eye floaters, and tinnitus/ringing in the ears.> >> > So as of maybe 2 months ago - since I was no longer seeing benefits from> > the Byron White Formulas I began to search again for alternative treatments> > for the Lyme. Which is when I started taking an interest in the MMS & > > Essiac Tea. About 3 weeks ago I placed an order for the MMS, and about a> > week later the Essiac Herbs from the links you provided.> >> > The MMS arrived quickly (within a week) - so I started on the 1000> > Protocol about 2 weeks ago. I already had the same 32oz rubbermaid> > container you referenced - so Day 1 mixed 8 drops of the MMS, with the

8> > drops of Citric Acid Solution and consumed it over the 8 hours.> >> > (if I was going to herx - traditionally for the lyme I'd know within an> > hour of the treatment, within minutes for Babesia and Bartonella)> >> > But Day 1 no herx.> >> > So Day 2 I went up 16 drops of each - 2 drops per hour. No herx.> > So Day 3 I increased it to 24 drops total - 3 drops per hour. Still no> > herx - but this was the maximum # of drops for the 1000 Protocol so I> > stayed here for Days 4 and 5. Still nothing.> >> > Days 6,7, 8 and 9 - I went up to 32 drops total (or 4 drops per hour). So> > now am transitioning into the 2000 Protocol.> >> > Yesterday and today were up to the 40 drops in total (or 5 drops per hour> > for 8 hours). Yesterday was the first day since I started taking the

MMS> > that I would say I was herxing. It started about an hour after taking the> > first dose (5 drops), just a mild headache that persisted the remainder of> > the day, as well as a general blah feeling - like the body is trying to get> > rid of alot of dead bacteria.> >> > Today I stayed at the same # of drops. No headache so far, and the blah> > feeling is greatly diminished.....> > ______________________________________________________> >> > So now the questions:> >> > 1) A couple days ago in a post of yours I noticed the you commented on> > after reaching 24 drops per day (3 drops per hour) to add it 1/8 tsp. of> > Baking Soda.> >> > At what point during the preparation process do you add that in?> > Towards the beginning when you've first mixed the MMS with the Citric>

> Acid, or is it more separately just before consuming (with the 3 drops of> > each in 4 oz. of water)? Or does it matter?> >> > 2) If you were in my shoes, where would 'you' go from here - in trying to> > kill that last 5% off? Continue on with the 2000 Protocol? Add in the DMSO?> >> > Your advice is greatly appreciated,> > > >> > P.S. - the Essiac Herbs still have yet to arrive (but should be here any> > day), I've been using the l-glutamine for many, many years. Originally as a> > sports supplement (before contracting Lyme) to mainly repair the muscles,> > and keep the immune system boosted. But now it also serves (as you've> > mentioned many times) the purpose of removing excess ammonia from the> > system - which I've REALLY needed over the years.> >> > >

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