Re: iodine with hashimotos

[Guest guest]

I think iodine when you have Hashi's is like playing roulette. It is a whole

lot more likel to raise antibodies and start an active antibpdy attack. When

oyu are taking thyroid hormones they are MADE of iodine. I do not feel we

rewally need mroe than thta,

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[Guest guest]

I've got Hashi's and am on iodine and not really having problems with

it. Although I had a hyper episode last week, and quit the Iodoral

during that, I'm back on it now. My antibodies didn't change when I

started iodine, at least I don't think they did based on tests but it's

hard to tell. They have not gone up from year to year. The hyper last

week was because I went too high on T3, at least that's my theory. I

feel good now.

There is more to the iodine issue than just supplementing iodine.

Bromide and flouride are toxic and attach to the iodine receptors in our

cells. Taking iodine flushes out the other halogens. The iodine docs

think that the other halogens cause cancers of the thyroid and breast

and prostate. At least that's the theory. Iodine used to be added to

baked goods as a dough conditioner, now bromine is used instead.

It's a pretty individual thing to take iodine or not. It's important to

take the other supplements too, when taking iodine. 's iodine

list has been a valuable resource.

[Guest guest]

Iodine is needed by every cell in the body, not just the thyroid

gland. The breasts, in women, absorb almost as much and idoine helps

protect them from cancer. Iodine is absorbed directly into the cells

via the sodium-iodide symporters, not just in Thyroid hormone.

The thyroid gland also uses iodine to produce d-iodolactones which are

agents of apoptosis, they tell bad (i.e., cancer) cells when to die.

If there is not enough iodine to create d-iodolactone there is an

excess of peroxide which destroys the thyroid gland. Dr Brownstein

feels Hashi's can never be healed without enough iodine. It takes a

minimum of 6 gm iodine a day to make iodolactone. The FDA's MDR is

barely enough to prevent goiter and mental retardation. It will not

support full health.

I recently heard from someone who has been on 50 mg/day iodine for

about 3 months. He has lost 30 lbs and cut his insulin in half. That

covers two very important known effects of sufficient iodine intake.

Since it is so important in brain development, it must also be crucial

to maintaining a healthy brain, preventing deterioration. If I had a

problem with taking iodine I would start with the smallest dose

tolerable and work up however slowly was required.

Just MHO. Since I had breast cancer, I would rather take a chance with

the Hashi's than that, but not having any attacks anyway, I think.

Dorothy

[Guest guest]

I think you mean 6 mg, right?

I agree on the starting low and working your way up. Although, this

time starting it again, I went from 2 12.5 mg tablets daily to 50 mg in

a week and did fine.

The first time I started on it was about one month after starting on

Armour, I was on about 45 mg Armour daily. I took one 12.5 mg tablet

daily and my hands and feet became warm for the first time that I can

ever remember, going back to my teen years.

dorothyroeder wrote:

>

> It takes a

> minimum of 6 gm iodine a day to make iodolactone. The FDA's MDR is

> barely enough to prevent goiter and mental retardation. It will not

> support full health.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well I guess I should be a jelly brain cancer patient as I have avoided

odine liek the plague for years. As I am not I have a hard itme believign

the hype. Sorry but I had NO antibodies until I took 4 drops a day of

Lufgols 2 years ago. In 3 months time it reactivated my Hahsi's which had

been DORMANT for many years and I have ever since had Hashi attacks. Can;t

get much salower tha 4 drops a day as I did start with 2 drops a day and

though gee this is not hurting anythign. NOW I wish I had never taken it. I

have all my life been senisitive to iodized salt and kelp and anything wiht

high iodine. SO have avoided it. Dr B's book convinced me ot try it.I was

VERY dissapointed.

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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[Guest guest]

The bottom line is that increasing the intake of iodine is going to

stimulate any remaining, living, functioning thyroid tissue to produce...

This increases the stimulation to the antibodies and increases antibody

attack.. killing off more thyroid tissue... in the case of Hashi's.

In the case of Thyroid cancer, stimulating remaining tissue stimulates

the increase in production of thyroid cancer cells and increases the

likelihood of spread or recurrence of thyroid cancer.

In both those cases you will, more likely than not, feel better... until

so much of the gland is destroyed that you are gonna be SOL.. how long

that takes is very individual.

If your focus is to feel better now, and take your chances later as to

how much damage that iodine will have done to you in the next year, or

five years or ten years... go for it.

As to the arguments that we don't get enough iodine for function...

The Thyroid gland is designed as an iodine filter... that's what it does,

it filters iodine out of the blood stream and uses that iodine in the

manufacture of thyroid hormone... Once the thyroid gland is no longer

doing that job the amount of iodine needed by the body is DRASTICALLY

reduced. Simply due to the fact that all the iodine in the system is now

usable by other parts of the body.

As to excessive amounts of iodine CURING Hashi's... too many studies out

now showing just the opposite... excess levels of iodine causing over

production of thyroid hormone that is resulting in the shift in body

process and TRIGGERING Hashi's antibodies as a protective mechanism due

to the over stimulation of the gland due to excessive intake of iodine.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10502541

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12849065?ordinalpos=1 & itool=EntrezSyst

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very_RC & linkpos=3 & log$=relatedreviews & logdbfrom=pubmed

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On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:34:52 -0000 " dorothyroeder "

writes:

> Iodine is needed by every cell in the body, not just the thyroid

> gland. The breasts, in women, absorb almost as much and idoine

> helps

> protect them from cancer. Iodine is absorbed directly into the

> cells

> via the sodium-iodide symporters, not just in Thyroid hormone.

>

> The thyroid gland also uses iodine to produce d-iodolactones which

> are

> agents of apoptosis, they tell bad (i.e., cancer) cells when to

> die.

> If there is not enough iodine to create d-iodolactone there is an

> excess of peroxide which destroys the thyroid gland. Dr Brownstein

> feels Hashi's can never be healed without enough iodine. It takes a

> minimum of 6 gm iodine a day to make iodolactone. The FDA's MDR is

> barely enough to prevent goiter and mental retardation. It will not

> support full health.

>

> I recently heard from someone who has been on 50 mg/day iodine for

> about 3 months. He has lost 30 lbs and cut his insulin in half.

> That

> covers two very important known effects of sufficient iodine

> intake.

>

> Since it is so important in brain development, it must also be

> crucial

> to maintaining a healthy brain, preventing deterioration. If I had

> a

> problem with taking iodine I would start with the smallest dose

> tolerable and work up however slowly was required.

>

> Just MHO. Since I had breast cancer, I would rather take a chance

> with

> the Hashi's than that, but not having any attacks anyway, I think.

>

> Dorothy

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[Guest guest]

Not what I was tryint to say at all, Val. I respect your observations

about your own health. Everybody is different. I just happened to

manifest cancer while other have other problems. I just wanted to

point out that if it is possible to use iodine at all it is worth trying.

Dorothy

> Well I guess I should be a jelly brain cancer patient as I have avoided

> odine liek the plague for years. As I am not I have a hard itme

believign

> the hype.

[Guest guest]

Also, the thyroid gland concentrated iodine into a pool inside itself.

Blood cycles through the gland every 15 min and is exposed to iodine's

antibiotic properties.

Dorothy

[Guest guest]

Maybe you are avoiding the worst problems by covering the things that

iodine would normally take care of. Just a guess. I admit, I don't

know much. And I am not trying to tell you what to do. I am amazed at

what you have done for yourself and respect it very much.

Dorothy

> Well I guess I should be a jelly brain cancer patient as I have avoided

> odine liek the plague for years.

[Guest guest]

I happened on this post from a while ago, which I had missed, and have a

question and a comment.

below-------

Piwowarski wrote:

>

> There is more to the iodine issue than just supplementing iodine.

> Bromide and flouride are toxic and attach to the iodine receptors in our

> cells. Taking iodine flushes out the other halogens.

Does taking in some fluoride flush out iodine?

> Iodine used to be added to

> baked goods as a dough conditioner, now bromine is used instead.

>

Not strictly true, where I live at least, many breads and baked goods

still contain iodate dough conditioners. I know because I have to avoid

those products, so I read labels all the time.

sol