Re: Re: getting reverse t3 out of the cells

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Yes RT3 is the most common cause of tissue resistance. but you shoudl be

feeling a bit nbetter. Do you knwo your ferritin level?

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[Guest guest]

Well you stil have the T4 from the meds you were taking as that is said

to be in the system 4-6 weeks, so I guess more time is what you need.

How much T3 are oyu on? Maybe it si time for an increase?

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Yes about 7 days as there si no build up time for T3 just time to allow

your adrenals to adjust to the higher metabolic rate.

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[Guest guest]

Ferritin of 194? OUCH! Too high ferritin can cause as many problems as

too low.

sol

dorothyroeder wrote:

>> Yes RT3 is the most common cause of tissue resistance. but you

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> shoudl be

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>> feeling a bit nbetter. Do you knwo your ferritin level?

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> In June it was 194 (11-307). I am a bit better.

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[Guest guest]

It IS pretty high. I am not certain where too high begins but Sol is

pretty well educated here so I would listen to her. I have owndered i

fmy own is to high but can't remember now how high muine was, biut it

was up there close to yours I think.

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[Guest guest]

Dorothy,

My researches have led me to donating blood, and taking other

measures to lower my ferritin as quickly as I can. Mine was 166. There

is a lot of disagreement on what optimal levels of ferritin are. The

hemochromatosis sites and iron overload organizations are very

conservative. In the iron chapter in " Protein Power LifePlan " they start

having their patients lower ferritin at 100. Iron overload organisations

and specialists do believe the current lab ranges are way too high at

the upper end.

For good thyroid medication toleration/utilization the optimal for a

woman is said to be 70-90.

I plan to get mine down to 50.

The reason for a lower rather than higher ferritin being desireable

is because of the extreme risk of serious organ damage and diseases like

diabetes and cancer from iron overload. Such organ damage can be

irreversible. And for someone who has had high ferritin, particularly if

other iron markers are also high, until the person knows how fast they

reaccumulate iron, it can be very importan, even life saving, to stay on

the low side.

It does seem to be very important to keep ferritin at a level where

thyroid med is tolerated/utilized. But it is not a good idea at all to

go much higher than that.

A good place to start reading about iron issues (including anemia)

online is www.ironoverload.org (.org--there is a different site that is

..net). In book form the chapter on iron in Protein Power LifePlan is

very interesting, and very well referenced.

sol

dorothyroeder wrote:

> I found one source that says that high for women should be 1/2 that of

> men or 150. Guess I will have to stop the mineral supp that has it.

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> Dorothy

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>> It IS pretty high. I am not certain where too high begins but Sol is

>> pretty well educated here so I would listen to her. I have owndered i

>> fmy own is to high but can't remember now how high muine was, biut it

>> was up there close to yours I think.

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>> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

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> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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>> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

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[Guest guest]

According to the info in Protein Power LifePlan a unit of blood has

about 250 mg of iron, which represents a ferritin of 25. People with

genetic hemochromatosis usually only lose ferritin by about 25 pts. per

unit of blood. But people with ironoverlaod from other causes often lose

more ferritin than that with each unit of blood taken. This is why

www.ironoverload.org considers the first year of treatment for

ironoverload experimental. Until someone who is treating finds out how

fast they lose ferritin with blood donations or phlebotomies, and until

after reaching their target ferritin level and then re-testing

periodically to see how fast they re-accumulate iron, there are no hard

and fast rules. People with very high ferritin have phlebotomies once a

week or even twice a week until their ferritin approaches safe levels.

It is possible that as few as two blood donations would get you (or me)

back to a safe ferritin level. Then you would still need to check it

about every 2 months (I think) to see how fast it raises again.

sol

dorothyroeder wrote:

> How fast does ferritin go down with a blood donations?

> And thanks for the explanation.

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[Guest guest]

dorothyroeder wrote:

> Never mind. I read the site. Twice a week for a year or more? EGAD...

>

That is only for people with extremely high ferritin, some people have

ferritin levels in the 300s to 500s or even higher, 900+.

> All I have to do it get the doctor to order it.

>

Don't even have to do that, I donate on my own, through the local blood

services (similar to red cross blood drives in other areas of the

country). No doctor involvement required. I now have a donor card, and

can schedule appts for a donation online. I did not volunteer answers to

any questions they did not ask me.

> But, one question. If a somewhat anemic state is part of the process

> how will that affect me when I am already low on energy from hypoth?

>

My first donation resulted in a bit of tiredness that day. But the next

day I woke up feeling TERRIFIC. NO knee pain at all. None. I had a great

day, lots of motivation and energy. As the days went by within a week I

returned to my " normal " unfortunately. My second donation is coming up

next week and I can't wait.

sol

> Dorothy

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>> How fast does ferritin go down with a blood donations?

>> And thanks for the explanation.

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>> Dorothy

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[Guest guest]

dorothyroeder wrote:

> Sol, what do you do about Vit C if that incr iron.

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From high vitamin C foods eaten between meals away from iron containing

foods.

I don't eat much of those kinds of foods, so I am doing Vit C topically,

when I feel I need it.

The hope is that when I get the ferritin down, if I don't re-accumulate

it too fast, I can experiment with taking oral vit C again, if I need

it. I really never could take very much anyway, because my bowel

tolerance is only between 250 and 500 mg at the best of times.

sol

> Dorothy

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>>> How fast does ferritin go down with a blood donations?

>>> And thanks for the explanation.

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>>> Dorothy

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[Guest guest]

dorothyroeder wrote:

> So basically I would donate a few times and get rechecked? They don't

> keep track of how often you donate, just take your word for it?

>

Yes they keep track. I think the rules where I live are red cross

standard. They allow a donation every 52 days. They do a blood pressure

check, hemoglobin check, and questionnaire every time prior to blood

collection.

Unless you have a disease such as HIV, hepatitis, you will likely be

accepted. My best tip is to answer ONLY the questions they ask, DO NOT

volunteer anything. DO NOT volunteer you want to donate to reduce your

ferritin!

I made the mistake of mentioning I took HC in 2007 when I first

tried to donate, and was refused, because they thought I had 's

(I don't). Then my PA would not give me a permission slip to donate, and

insisted I see an endo, yada yada. When my ferritin rose even higher,

the biggest 1 year jump yet, and I was very worried about finding a

doctor to ok it, my husband said why not just walk in and try again, and

this time don't volunteer any info they don't ask for, I did, and was

allowed to donate. If anything changes for me, and I have to find a

doctor to order phlebotomies, I'm going to have a very hard time

finding one.

All blood collected is tested before being actually put into the

blood supply, so if you had one of those diseases without knowing it

they would notify you. I think they actually remove a bit more than one

unit of blood, because they take some extra for testing.

I stress dosed 20 mg for my first donation, and will stress dose

again for this upcoming one.

sol

P.S. if you are allowed to donate, keep in mind you are doing a very

good deed. Only 1 in 20 people eligible to donate blood do so. And

there are never enough volunteers. So I feel I'm helping others as well

as myself.

[Guest guest]

AFAIK IP6 also lowers iron.

bw

nil

Re: getting reverse t3 out of the cells

How fast does ferritin go down with a blood donations?And thanks for the explanation.Dorothy------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Yes, it does, and I am using it. But I do not think it substitutes for

blood donation/phlebotomies.

By the info I could find I estimated it would take me about 4 years to

get my ferritin into a safe range using IP6 alone and that is starting

from 166.

I am not willing to wait that long, unless I have no other choice.

sol

Nil wrote:

> AFAIK IP6 also lowers iron.

> bw

> nil

[Guest guest]

Some blood services will not accept high iron blood. But others want it.

It is good for having lots of red cells, and also supposedly valuable

for critical anemia, if memory serves.

If you can find a reference to iron overload from transfusions being due

to high iron blood, please send it to me. So far I have not run across

such a statement. The references I've seen simply say " multiple

transfusions " , with nothing said about high iron blood.

They do test hemoglobin before allowing a person to donate, so I feel ok

about donating. They are supposed to know what they are doing, but I

don't know if the test they use is sensitive enough to detect even

severe iron overload, I think it is mostly to be certain the person

donating isn't anemic. They ask NO questions about high iron.

sol

james lecklider wrote:

> Well I go to a hemotologist, and they would like the ferritin level to

> be below 40. That is because with hemocromatosis it builds up fast.

> A lot of people with multiple transfusions end up with iron overload.

> my ferritin was over 900, so I go in once a week. I also have

> polycemia -high red blood cell count.

>

> Part of the reason why people have iron overload from multiple

> transfusions is because people that have unusually high iron levels

> donate blood. I dont care what people do, thats just what i was told

> at the hemotologist office.

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[Guest guest]

Just to throw an FYI into the mix ~ my new MD wants ferritin at 150, as per

Theresa Hertoghe. Sol disagrees with this, per her research. I've not done

more research on why Dr. Hertoghe supports ferritin at 150 and could only

find one reference to this on the web from one of her patients. I see my MD

next week and will try to get more information.

take care,

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What would be considered high Ferritin for a man?

Ive been taking 200mg Elemental Iron and liquid Angstrom Iron, to get my low

Ferritin up.

Doing this for a few months raised my Ferritin from 40 to 95, and the range

is 22 - 322.

Val says men need higher Ferritin than woman do. So what would be the ideal

level of Ferritin for me for good health and to not cause problems with my

thyroid and Reverse T3?

Thanks.

[Guest guest]

I re-read the info from the blood services I donate to, and I need to

correct a mistake--their rules are that a perosn can donate whole blood

every 56 days, not 52 days as I had said.

My plan is to re-check ferritin after my next donation. That should give

me a good idea where I am at.

I would be very interested in knowing how you respond to this first

donation. I don't know if it is usual for a person to feel as great the

next couple days as I did.

sol

dorothyroeder wrote:

> So I went and donated a pint. Next step is to make an appt with a

> hematologtist. The only ones on insurance list are designated

> hematologist/oncologist. Don't know what that says about their biases.

> Anyway, the place where I donated does not merge their records with

> the RedCross so I can go there once for another draw.

>

> Dorothy

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>>> Well I go to a hemotologist, and they would like the ferritin

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> level to

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>>> be below 40.

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[Guest guest]

That's why my husband goes. That and feeling good about donating <G>

Janis Whitcomb, Auburn, WA

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Re: getting reverse t3 out of the cells

Well I go to a hemotologist, and they would like the ferritin level to be

below 40. That is because with hemocromatosis it builds up fast. A lot of

people with multiple transfusions end up with iron overload. my ferritin was

over 900, so I go in once a week. I also have polycemia -high red blood cell

count.

Part of the reason why people have iron overload from multiple transfusions

is because people that have unusually high iron levels donate blood. I dont

care what people do, thats just what i was told at the hemotologist office.

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[Guest guest]

Interesting discussion. Thanks.

http://www.nybloodcenter.org/files/Media/29/mediumFilename/Med_Condition.pdf

it is said above persons with adrenal disorders should not donate blood.

i am also not sure what type of infections i have due to my low immune system functioning. So,i would not donate blood.

bw

nil

Re: getting reverse t3 out of the cells

http://thyroid.about.com/library/weekly/aa091201a.htmDorothy> > Excuse me for butting in on the conversation about donating blood. > I've always been told that if you have an autoimmune disease, you> can't donate blood. ------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I do not have 's.

The sheet of conditions for permanent deferral they use here only lists

's. Nothing else. 's is all they care about.

sol

Nil wrote:

> Interesting discussion. Thanks.

> http://www.nybloodcenter.org/files/Media/29/mediumFilename/Med_Condition.pdf

> it is said above persons with adrenal disorders should not donate blood.

> i am also not sure what type of infections i have due to my low immune

> system functioning. So,i would not donate blood.

> bw

> nil

[Guest guest]

Just want to add, having read the list of things that a person might

have had that will still let them donate after treatment, I don't see

the concern about adrenals. Donation is allowed for persons who have

" cured " Cushings.

And you can still donate after having diseases much more serious than

adrenal fatigue. You can donate after having had cancer and very serious

infectious diseases. You can donate while on oral antibiotics. You can

donate while you have Bell's Palsy which is treated with acyclovir and

prednisone. Therefore

It cannot be taking a physiological dose of HC that causes the inclusion

of " adrenal disorders " on that list as permanent deferral.

I really would like to know exactly what they include in " adrenal

disorders " though. It isn't specific enough.

sol

sol wrote:

> I do not have 's.

> The sheet of conditions for permanent deferral they use here only lists

> 's. Nothing else. 's is all they care about.

> sol

>

> Nil wrote:

>

>> Interesting discussion. Thanks.

>> http://www.nybloodcenter.org/files/Media/29/mediumFilename/Med_Condition.pdf

>> it is said above persons with adrenal disorders should not donate blood.

>> i am also not sure what type of infections i have due to my low immune

>> system functioning. So,i would not donate blood.

>> bw

>> nil

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[Guest guest]

I imagine if they are short of it, they wouldn't mind.

Janis Whitcomb, Auburn, WA

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Re: getting reverse t3 out of the cells

http://thyroid.about.com/library/weekly/aa091201a.htm

Dorothy

> > Excuse me for butting in on the conversation about donating blood.

> I've always been told that if you have an autoimmune disease, you

> can't donate blood.

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[Guest guest]

> And you can still donate after having diseases much more serious than

> adrenal fatigue. You can donate after having had cancer and very

> serious

> infectious diseases.

>

Depends on the type of cancer. I used to donate regularly until I had

leukemia 15 years ago. Now the Red Cross will not take my blood.

Janet Szabo

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