Re: getting reverse t3 out of the cells

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> The T4 will depend on how fast you supress the TSH with T3. As long as

> yo have some TSH it is telling your thyroid to make some T4.

My TSH has been supressed for 4 mos. I have been on T3 only for 3 wks,

still have suffocating feelings, although they are a bit better.

Trying not to be too impatient, but how long does it take? Am I a

really hard case? Looking back I possibly had RT3 increasing since I

started synTh 14 yrs ago.

Also, is Rt3 the usual cause of tissue resistance, barring genetic

problems, etc.

Dorothy

[Guest guest]

> Yes RT3 is the most common cause of tissue resistance. but you

shoudl be

> feeling a bit nbetter. Do you knwo your ferritin level?

In June it was 194 (11-307). I am a bit better.

Dorothy

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> Well you stil have the T4 from the meds you were taking as that is said

> to be in the system 4-6 weeks, so I guess more time is what you need.

> How much T3 are oyu on? Maybe it si time for an increase?3/

>

I just went up to 50 2 days ago. Waiting for my gut to get used to it.

Thought I would stay there for 7-10 days. Does that sound right? I

would have increased sooner but dumb doc wouldn't give me enough. I

had to wait for my mail order. He told me to go back to 20. Fat

chance. That should be the equiv of 1 gr Armour and I remember how I

felt then.

Dorothy

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Val, do you think I should worry about my ferritin level?

> In June it was 194 (11-307).

Dorothy

> > feeling a bit nbetter. Do you knwo your ferritin level?

[Guest guest]

I found one source that says that high for women should be 1/2 that of

men or 150. Guess I will have to stop the mineral supp that has it.

Dorothy

> It IS pretty high. I am not certain where too high begins but Sol is

> pretty well educated here so I would listen to her. I have owndered i

> fmy own is to high but can't remember now how high muine was, biut it

> was up there close to yours I think.

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[Guest guest]

How fast does ferritin go down with a blood donations?

And thanks for the explanation.

Dorothy

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Never mind. I read the site. Twice a week for a year or more? EGAD...

All I have to do it get the doctor to order it.

But, one question. If a somewhat anemic state is part of the process

how will that affect me when I am already low on energy from hypoth?

Dorothy

>

> How fast does ferritin go down with a blood donations?

> And thanks for the explanation.

>

> Dorothy

>

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Sol, what do you do about Vit C if that incr iron.

Dorothy

> > How fast does ferritin go down with a blood donations?

> > And thanks for the explanation.

> >

> > Dorothy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

So basically I would donate a few times and get rechecked? They don't

keep track of how often you donate, just take your word for it?

Dorothy

> According to the info in Protein Power LifePlan a unit of blood has

> about 250 mg of iron, which represents a ferritin of 25. People with

> genetic hemochromatosis usually only lose ferritin by about 25 pts. per

> unit of blood.

[Guest guest]

If you have a very low TSH does that mean you don't have RT3?

Janis Whitcomb, Auburn, WA

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Re: getting reverse t3 out of the cells

> The T4 will depend on how fast you supress the TSH with T3. As long as

> yo have some TSH it is telling your thyroid to make some T4. Thsi is why

> I recommend stayingon T3 onyl for 12 weeks to be certain.

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[Guest guest]

NO. IN fact often what causes highRT3 will also supress TSh such as low

Ferritin.

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Well I go to a hemotologist, and they would like the ferritin level to be below 40. That is because with hemocromatosis it builds up fast. A lot of people with multiple transfusions end up with iron overload. my ferritin was over 900, so I go in once a week. I also have polycemia -high red blood cell count.

Part of the reason why people have iron overload from multiple transfusions is because people that have unusually high iron levels donate blood. I dont care what people do, thats just what i was told at the hemotologist office.

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So I went and donated a pint. Next step is to make an appt with a

hematologtist. The only ones on insurance list are designated

hematologist/oncologist. Don't know what that says about their biases.

Anyway, the place where I donated does not merge their records with

the RedCross so I can go there once for another draw.

Dorothy

> > Well I go to a hemotologist, and they would like the ferritin

level to

> > be below 40.

[Guest guest]

>

> So I went and donated a pint. Next step is to make an appt with a

> hematologtist. The only ones on insurance list are designated

> hematologist/oncologist. Don't know what that says about their

biases.

> Anyway, the place where I donated does not merge their records with

> the RedCross so I can go there once for another draw.

>

> Dorothy

>

> > > Well I go to a hemotologist, and they would like the ferritin

> level to

> > > be below 40.

>

What would be considered high Ferritin for a man?

Ive been taking 200mg Elemental Iron and liquid Angstrom Iron, to

get my low Ferritin up.

Doing this for a few months raised my Ferritin from 40 to 95, and

the range is 22 - 322.

Val says men need higher Ferritin than woman do. So what would be

the ideal level of Ferritin for me for good health and to not cause

problems with my thyroid and Reverse T3?

Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Excuse me for butting in on the conversation about donating blood. I've always been told that if you have an autoimmune disease, you can't donate blood. They don't want "healthy" people getting your antibodies.

Bonnie

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That's not on the list of questions they ask donors.

Dorothy

> Excuse me for butting in on the conversation about donating blood.

I've always been told that if you have an autoimmune disease, you

can't donate blood. They don't want " healthy " people getting your

antibodies.

>

> Bonnie

>

[Guest guest]

http://thyroid.about.com/library/weekly/aa091201a.htm

Dorothy

> > Excuse me for butting in on the conversation about donating blood.

> I've always been told that if you have an autoimmune disease, you

> can't donate blood.

[Guest guest]

Hi fellow iron overloaders

- just an FYI, I was told that i needed to declare corticosteroids for

red cross donation as the blood is then marked as not to be used by

pregnant women or babies due to some perceived risk if they receive a

lot of blood transfusions, the amount of exogenous steroid can mount

up if they need almost a full blood supply transfusion, another Aussie

has been refused donation altogether due to taking prednisolone, even

in physiological doses at a different Red Cross office. I have

antibodies to Hep B from some past minimal exposure (I used to work as

a gardener in a gay beat area where I used to clean up the syringes

and condoms every morning before the children came to the playground -

yep it's that bad) so there is potential for me to have receieved a

needle stick injury at some point, despite the gloves and " pick up

sticks " I have antibodies, no virus, and not enough antibodies to be

deemed safe (ie: vaccination amount) so deemed anomalous and not safe

to donate :-(

local autologas clinic does a stirling job of venesection though,

better than my red cross experience before being kicked off due to not

enough hep b antibodies, but the snacks aren't as good ;-)

Cat

> > So basically I would donate a few times and get rechecked? They don't

> > keep track of how often you donate, just take your word for it?

> >

> Yes they keep track. I think the rules where I live are red cross

> standard. They allow a donation every 52 days. They do a blood pressure

> check, hemoglobin check, and questionnaire every time prior to blood

> collection.

> Unless you have a disease such as HIV, hepatitis, you will

likely be

> accepted. My best tip is to answer ONLY the questions they ask, DO NOT

> volunteer anything. DO NOT volunteer you want to donate to reduce your

> ferritin!

> I made the mistake of mentioning I took HC in 2007 when I first

> tried to donate, and was refused, because they thought I had 's

> (I don't). Then my PA would not give me a permission slip to donate,

and

> insisted I see an endo, yada yada. When my ferritin rose even higher,

> the biggest 1 year jump yet, and I was very worried about finding a

> doctor to ok it, my husband said why not just walk in and try again,

and

> this time don't volunteer any info they don't ask for, I did, and was

> allowed to donate. If anything changes for me, and I have to find a

> doctor to order phlebotomies, I'm going to have a very hard time

> finding one.

> All blood collected is tested before being actually put into the

> blood supply, so if you had one of those diseases without knowing it

> they would notify you. I think they actually remove a bit more than one

> unit of blood, because they take some extra for testing.

> I stress dosed 20 mg for my first donation, and will stress dose

> again for this upcoming one.

> sol

> P.S. if you are allowed to donate, keep in mind you are doing a very

> good deed. Only 1 in 20 people eligible to donate blood do so. And

> there are never enough volunteers. So I feel I'm helping others as well

> as myself.

>

[Guest guest]

My ferrtin is around 50 I think. Still not flagged on test results.-

Janis Whitcomb, Auburn, WA

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Subject: Re: getting reverse t3 out of the cells

> NO. IN fact often what causes highRT3 will also supress TSh such as low

> Ferritin.

>

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[Guest guest]

You can literally be dying of low or high iron by the time it shows up

as flagged on testing! the ranges are horribly too huge in both

directions. At 50 I would be supplementing iron to bring ti up to 70-90.

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I took 20mg extra HC before, but a couple hours my temp had fallen

from 97.4 to 96.7. Felt a bit dizzy until after my afternoon nap. Temp

back up to 98.2, usual for after dinner. We will see how I feel tomorrow.

Dorothy

> I would be very interested in knowing how you respond to this first

> donation. I don't know if it is usual for a person to feel as great the

> next couple days as I did.

> sol

[Guest guest]

There always that way hemotologist /oncologist

[Guest guest]

Very interesting topic with blood donations and ferritin levels. I think ferrtin with someone with hemochromatosis, a hemotologist likes to get it down lower because it raises so fast.

otherwise a person would move out of normal range very fast.

obviously someone with over 900 ferrtin I have a ways to go