Re: help t3 cytomel tummy ache

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If it's any help to you, I have this happen every time I make T3 dose

adjustments! Every time.

AG

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um, it a huge help! What exactly do you mean? can you explain the pain..and how long does it last? wow its only 6 days, and the pain has gotten worse each day..not better. Severe bloating gas..and wave like pains. no extra stools, definantly no diarrea.

Subject: Re: help t3 cytomel tummy acheTo: RT3_T3 Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 7:56 AMIf it's any help to you, I have this happen every time I make T3 dose adjustments! Every time.

AG

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[Guest guest]

Are you swallowing the T3? If it isn't time release you could try taking

buccally and see if that avoids the stomach problem.

sol

Leisa Forman wrote:

> um, it a huge help! What exactly do you mean? can you explain the

> pain..and how long does it last? wow its only 6 days, and the pain has

> gotten worse each day..not better. Severe bloating gas..and wave like

> pains. no extra stools, definantly no diarrea.

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i really don't know what it is that causes this! same thing, severe bloating, gas, sort of a cramping feeling...... i would say that it lasts about a good week or two after i have made a t3 adjustment. and yes, it comes in waves. makes me wonder if it's more a ibs sort of activation from hormone shifts. wish i could add more to this, but all i attribute this to is changes. when i make no t3 changes it settles down and totally goes away. recently when i went hyper from trading 30 mcg srt3 for 20 mcg t3, it got terrible to the point where i shunned food. i had knots of gas and muscle cramping moving through me. have been steady in a lower dose for the last 3 days and it's lessening. i think hormone shifts really effect some of our guts. i recall when i use to cycle right before my period when progesterone really built up i would have all sorts of digestive issues. agRe: help t3 cytomel tummy achePosted by: "Leisa Forman" leisamelanie@... leisamelanieThu Dec 18, 2008 7:38 am (PST)um, it a huge help! What exactly do you mean? can you explain the pain..and how long does it last? wow its only 6 days, and the pain has gotten worse each day..not better. Severe bloating gas..and wave like pains. no extra stools, definantly no diarrea.

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I think quite a bit more is swallowed when taking it under the tongue.

Buccally (between cheek and gum less is swallowed.

But it sounds like you have it solved already.

My tertroxin label says it contains Liothyronine Sodium. Also contains

lactose and Sodium Chloride. The TiTre says Liothyronine Sodium. Also

sodium choride, corn starch, gum arabic, magnesium sterate, lactose ,

polivinylpirrolidone. I tranlated with online help.

sol

Leisa Forman wrote:

> yes i was taking it under tounge. I am surprised a tiny little pill

> could cause so uch pain. I might be allergic to talc..I heard it can

> be harsh

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> > um, it a huge help! What exactly do you mean? can you explain the

> > pain..and how long does it last? wow its only 6 days, and the

> pain has

> > gotten worse each day..not better. Severe bloating gas..and wave

> like

> > pains. no extra stools, definantly no diarrea.

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wow thanks a million! !on line titre does NOT list the polyvinyl -thing at the end. I would imagine that plastic would hurt! Tertroxin I thought had more ingredients...boy they make it hard. I thought talc was the problem..since its a carcenogenic. Lactose, sugar, sodium chloride..no problem> > um, it a huge help! What exactly do you mean? can you explain the> >

pain..and how long does it last? wow its only 6 days, and the> pain has> > gotten worse each day..not better. Severe bloating gas..and wave> like> > pains. no extra stools, definantly no diarrea.> >> > ---> >>>> ------------------------------------>>

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I have also repeatedly seen LOW FERRITIN cause a low TSH in people even

with very low thyroid hormone levels. I believe this si the bdy tellin

us it cannto use the thyroid properly so it lowers the STH to lower

thyroid levels to a manageable level for the body. STH is simply a

horrid tool for adjusting thyroi d meds as too many things affect it.

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my doc said to stop using iron, since ferritin was up to 58....how long do you maintain levels w/o taking it?

Subject: Re: Re: help t3 cytomel tummy acheTo: RT3_T3 Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 3:12 AM

I have also repeatedly seen LOW FERRITIN cause a low TSH in people even with very low thyroid hormone levels. I believe this si the bdy tellin us it cannto use the thyroid properly so it lowers the STH to lower thyroid levels to a manageable level for the body. STH is simply a horrid tool for adjusting thyroi d meds as too many things affect it.-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/------------------------------------

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Some folks drop like a rock when they stop taking it, 70-90 is ideal when yours tends to be too low. Even then I usually recommend a lower maintenance dose to keep it good till you can get thyroid up which tends ot slow the loss.

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i take iron extra by vitanica..it has amix

Subject: Re: Re: help t3 cytomel tummy acheTo: RT3_T3 Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 8:19 AM

Some folks drop like a rock when they stop taking it, 70-90 is ideal when yours tends to be too low. Even then I usually recommend a lower maintenance dose to keep it good till you can get thyroid up which tends ot slow the loss.

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Val,

Would this be true if you are a slow metabolizer? I can't have any caffeine

after 2 pm or I

can't sleep. I do take 1 gr. armour at 4-5 pm and can sleep. But can't do a

night time

dose, I either can't sleep, or only sleep very lightly.

Thanks,

>

> Then it is not T3 you are feelign but adrenal stress. You need HC. I

> firmly believe anytone that cannto take T3 later in the day si low in

> cortils anyway as it is SO needed at night to trepair the cell damage

> done in the previous day. T3 always needs to be taken twice a day.

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My midnight cortisol was 1, range 1-4, and I was told that was good.

So supposedly at night, my cortisol is fine. My 4 pm was low, noon

was high. So I'm not all low.

If 1 cortisol at night is fine, that isn't much cortisol to carry the

T3. There is something I'm not getting...

Thanks,

>

> Fast or slow metbolizer shoudl nto matter. Good T3 levels ayt night

> shoild NOT keep you awake. In healthy prople T3 peaks around midnight.

> The reason for this si it does cellular repair at night. While you

> sleep. There is no physiological reason for t3 to keep you awake at

> night, it si not a stimulant. It si a hormone that needs to do it's

> worl. I really thing when T3 feels liek a stimulant,. it si LOW

cortilos

> you are feeling. There is a huge differnce in feeling good healthy

> energy and feeling stimulated. I do nto ever feel stimulated ofrm

T3. Or

> Armoru.

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Leisa

what was your adrenal exhaustion stage?

bw

nil

Re: Re: help t3 cytomel tummy ache

okay, on not everyother. I was just looking for a way to squeeze in a little t3 (life that my brain and nail,hair) need so bad..without adding too much stress on the adrenals. now, I was taking the 5 just once a day, so why would I need the 2.5 2 x a day? I doubt Id be able to sleep if I took it later. Im pretty hyped now, and I took it 5 hrs ago.---

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I have no idea....I understand that you cant check cortisol after youve already been supplementing.

2 yrs ago I had a 24 hr urine test that showd no epinephrine.. Over the last 5 yrs I have been colapsing from exhaustion. The kind where you cant lift your arm...and breathing takes so much energy. 3 yrs ago I just colapsed ...of course hair was falling and many other symptoms.Looking like prediabetis.. I was incapacitated for months. I had 2000 dollars of chiro for severe pain. I wished for death for 2 yrs. More painful than the pain, was the doctors comments. I am always dizzy lightheaded hard to breath..etc..(dr domminese offered antianxiety medicine..ass##ole)

I have taken a million supplements trying to help what I figured out was thyroid and adrenal. Last yr I colapsed in the back room at work...I was shaking and sweeting andblurry vision, and heart wierd...I was going to pass out. or die..but by a miracle I didnt. Each raise or armour(that I beg and plead and pay for) I feel better, then worse again.

This has been long very painful journey, but I believe with the help of this group and a very loving doctor, who has been the most opened minded ( dr Freeze in phoenix) I may finally be on a road to recovery. I believe Ill never be able to get off isocort or the like...but vals being able to recently is very hopeful....I want to know how long she was on hc. im wondering if the hc cream i was given for skin back then and then abruptly stopping helped to cause this?

From From: Leisa Forman

To: RT3_T3

Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 2:04 AM

Subject: Re: Re: help t3 cytomel tummy ache

okay, on not everyother. I was just looking for a way to squeeze in a little t3 (life that my brain and nail,hair) need so bad..without adding too much stress on the adrenals. now, I was taking the 5 just once a day, so why would I need the 2.5 2 x a day? I doubt Id be able to sleep if I took it later. Im pretty hyped now, and I took it 5 hrs ago.---

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I was on HC for about 3.5 years. Yes HC for skin rashes has been used

for a LONG time and yes ti can contribute to weakening the adrenals.

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thats why Im hesitant to use it again, you see?

Subject: Re: Re: help t3 cytomel tummy acheTo: RT3_T3 Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 4:21 PM

I was on HC for about 3.5 years. Yes HC for skin rashes has been used for a LONG time and yes ti can contribute to weakening the adrenals.-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/------------------------------------

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It si all in how it is used.

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leisa

re: your previous question on when to take your isocort latest.

isocort needs to be take at 4 doses with three hour intervals. if you take it all in the morning and noon it will not be balanced dosing.you need to take it 4 times a day in three hour intervals, It is better taking doses by mimicing natural rhytim of cortsiol. if i get up late, i sometimes take my last dose around 7 or 8 pm.

something like 3-2-2-1 may be fine.

nil

Re: Re: help t3 cytomel tummy acheTo: RT3_T3 Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 4:21 PM

I was on HC for about 3.5 years. Yes HC for skin rashes has been used for a LONG time and yes ti can contribute to weakening the adrenals.-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/------------------------------------

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oH VAL IM SO SORRY i HAVE ANOTHER IMPORTANT QUESTION.

I was just looking at hc on line.....and I saw a bad side effect some folks have if they get too much...its bruiseing and swelling...this is important because

I have just gone thru a very bad period of severe bruising. Lots of bruises that just appear on my legs..first pain then I look down..and bruises. When dr freeze saw them ( about 50 thumbprint ones on my leg) she couldnt believe it. No, for some reason...I havent been having that pain or bruiseing much at all....but I have to ask..

would this mean that the hc could cause me this problem? The people on the site also said that they could never get off the hc once they started?

also how do you feel about rhodiola or ashwaganda...I have both.

Subject: Re: Re: help t3 cytomel tummy acheTo: RT3_T3 Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 4:28 PM

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Bruisiong is a symptoms of HIGH cortisl. Have you done recent saliva labs?

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A stim test doesn't hurt and is safer than a insulin tolerance test

which si what you must be talking about not a fasting glucose. A stim

test they take a blood sample for baseline then they inject synthetic

ACTh and check your cortils levels in 30 and 60 minutes,. It also can be

skewed by taking Isocort or HC, but not as badly. Normal it owuld double

in 30 minutes, and 8Am baseline shoudl be at least 20-22 for women.

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so, I could skip the isocort that morning then and do it. I have no insurance so Ill see.

Subject: Re: Re: help t3 cytomel tummy acheTo: RT3_T3 Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 3:27 PM

A stim test doesn't hurt and is safer than a insulin tolerance test which si what you must be talking about not a fasting glucose. A stim test they take a blood sample for baseline then they inject synthetic ACTh and check your cortils levels in 30 and 60 minutes,. It also can be skewed by taking Isocort or HC, but not as badly. Normal it owuld double in 30 minutes, and 8Am baseline shoudl be at least 20-22 for women.-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/------------------------------------

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Yes you would definitely not want to take any Isocort the AM you go for it.

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> I did order a t3 from england..so...

Hooray for you. My doc would only give me 5 mcg T3 then raised to 15

when I begged. You're right. not nearly enough. I took about 20 and

barely made it last till the order came. It took about 2 weeks.

Dorothy

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> so, but will you dr listen now? So, you dont have to keep ordering

online?

I don't know. We'll see what happens when I am ready to go back on

Armour. He likes Armour, just didn't understand that it won't get rid

of RT3. I am wondering if he will renew the stingy 20 mg/day of Cortef

in a couple of weeks. Anyway I have enough for awhile. And I have an

appointment with another doctor.

Don't let the ignorance of the doctors get to you. You already know

more that most of them. You can handle it and Val knows more that the

one you've got now for sure.

Dorothy