Re: Symptoms and Symptom Distress in Localized Prosta...

[Guest guest]

Maybe, but that’s not what the article

says!! And that statement is repeated again and again all in the name of

scaring the men with a prostate cancer diagnosis.

If 288,000 men died of cancer in the USA, as the statistics show, then prostate

cancer is not one of the biggest cancer risks facing men in the USA

with an estimated toll of “only” 28,000 plus minus.

PCa coming in as cause of death #7 isn’t

as frightening as #2.

All the best

Terry Herbert

I have no medical

qualifications but I was diagnosed in ‘96: and have learned a bit since then.

My sites are at www.yananow.net and www.prostatecancerwatchfulwaiting.co.za

Dr

“Snuffy” Myers :

" As a physician, I am painfully aware that most of the decisions we make

with regard to prostate cancer are made with inadequate data "

From:

ProstateCancerSupport

[mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of APilgrm@...

Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2008 2:28

PM

To:

ProstateCancerSupport

Subject: Re:

Symptoms and Symptom Distress in Localized Prosta...

Hi Terry,

I think the statistic is that PCa is the

second leading cause

of death in men due to cancer.

I wish

you all the best

Aubrey

In a

message dated 1/12/2008 5:14:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ghenesh_49optusnet.au

writes:

Is this

statement correct? <snip> Prostate cancer is .......... the second

leading cause of death in American men. <snip>

The

latest US

statistic I can find show that

-

1,2 million men died

- 336,000

men died of disease of the heart

- 288,000

men (24.0%) died of malignant neoplasms (so if the death toll from prostate

cancer is around 28,000, that means that 10% of the cancer deaths, or about

2.5% of total male deaths were from prostate cancer)

- 70,000

died in accidents

- 61,500

died from cerebrovascular disease

- 61,000

died from chronic lower respiratory disease

- 35,438

died from Diabetes

- 28,778

died from influenza and pneumonia

On

the basis of these figures, prostate cancer is certainly not the second leading

cause of death in American men who have about the same chance of dying from

influenza - yet men when diagnosed with 'flu simply don't have the same

reaction as men diagnosed with prostate cancer. Could that be because they are

constantly fed the incorrect information?

All the best

Terry Herbert

I have no medical

qualifications but I was diagnosed in ‘96: and have learned a bit since then.

My sites are at www.yananow.net and www.prostatecancerwatchfulwaiting.co.za

Dr

“Snuffy” Myers :

" As a physician, I am painfully aware that most of the decisions we make

with regard to prostate cancer are made with inadequate data "

Start the year off right. Easy

ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

Though it is more likely in these current days with more modern

techniques and methods of diagnosing and treating prostate cancer

that at the age men are diagnosed they are unlikely to die any sooner

than other men their age, I am inclined to believe that even 10% of

men so diagnosed dying of our insidious disease is still too many and

we have to continue our efforts in making men aware of prostate

cancer and in encouraging support of more federal funds dedicated to

prostate cancer research.

There, I wrote that all in one breath and in one sentence. My

opinion.

(Chuck) Maack

Prostate Cancer Advocate

Wichita, Kansas Chapter, Us TOO

Bio: http://www.ustoowichita.org/leaders.cfm?content=bio & id=1

Email: maack1@...

>

> Maybe, but that's not what the article says!! And that statement is

repeated

> again and again all in the name of scaring the men with a prostate

cancer

> diagnosis.

>

>

>

> If 288,000 men died of cancer in the USA, as the statistics show,

then

> prostate cancer is not one of the biggest cancer risks facing men

in the USA

> with an estimated toll of " only " 28,000 plus minus.

>

>

>

> PCa coming in as cause of death #7 isn't as frightening as #2.

>

>

>

> All the best

>

>

>

> Terry Herbert

>

> I have no medical qualifications but I was diagnosed in '96: and

have

> learned a bit since then.

>

> My sites are at www.yananow.net <http://www.yananow.net/> and

> <http://www.prostatecancerwatchfulwaiting.co.za/>

> www.prostatecancerwatchfulwaiting.co.za

>

> Dr " Snuffy " Myers : " As a physician, I am painfully aware

that most

> of the decisions we make with regard to prostate cancer are made

with

> inadequate data "

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: ProstateCancerSupport

> [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of

APilgrm@...

> Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2008 2:28 PM

> To: ProstateCancerSupport

> Subject: Re: Symptoms and Symptom Distress

in

> Localized Prosta...

>

>

>

> Hi Terry,

>

>

>

> I think the statistic is that PCa is the second leading cause

>

> of death in men due to cancer.

>

>

>

> I wish you all the best

>

> Aubrey

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/12/2008 5:14:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> ghenesh_49@... writes:

>

> Is this statement correct? <snip> Prostate cancer is ..........

the second

> leading cause of death in American men. <snip>

>

> The latest US statistic I can find show that

>

> - 1,2 million men died

>

> - 336,000 men died of disease of the heart

>

> - 288,000 men (24.0%) died of malignant neoplasms (so if the death

toll from

> prostate cancer is around 28,000, that means that 10% of the cancer

deaths,

> or about 2.5% of total male deaths were from prostate cancer)

>

> - 70,000 died in accidents

>

> - 61,500 died from cerebrovascular disease

>

> - 61,000 died from chronic lower respiratory disease

>

> - 35,438 died from Diabetes

>

> - 28,778 died from influenza and pneumonia

>

> On the basis of these figures, prostate cancer is certainly not the

second

> leading cause of death in American men who have about the same

chance of

> dying from influenza - yet men when diagnosed with 'flu simply

don't have

> the same reaction as men diagnosed with prostate cancer. Could that

be

> because they are constantly fed the incorrect information?

>

> All the best

>

> Terry Herbert

>

> I have no medical qualifications but I was diagnosed in '96: and

have

> learned a bit since then.

>

> My sites are at www.yananow. <http://www.yananow.net/> net and

> www.prostatecancerw

<http://www.prostatecancerwatchfulwaiting.co.za/>

> atchfulwaiting.co.za

>

> Dr " Snuffy " Myers : " As a physician, I am painfully aware

that most

> of the decisions we make with regard to prostate cancer are made

with

> inadequate data "

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Start the year off right. Easy

> <http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?

NCID=aolcmp00300000002489>

> ways to stay in shape in the new year.

>

[Guest guest]

I don't disagree with your sentiments, Chuck, but is

it good practice to mislead men? Surely if they find out that what they have

been told about this is plain wrong, then there is a whole lot of other stuff

they may not believe either?

All the best

Terry Herbert

I have no medical

qualifications but I was diagnosed in ‘96: and have learned a bit since

then.

My sites are at www.yananow.net and www.prostatecancerwatchfulwaiting.co.za

Dr

“Snuffy” Myers : " As a physician, I am painfully aware that most of

the decisions we make with regard to prostate cancer are made with inadequate

data "

From:

ProstateCancerSupport

[mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of maack1wichita

Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2008 3:45

PM

To:

ProstateCancerSupport

Subject:

Re: Symptoms and Symptom Distress in Localized Prosta...

Though it is more likely in these current days with

more modern

techniques and methods of diagnosing and treating prostate cancer

that at the age men are diagnosed they are unlikely to die any sooner

than other men their age, I am inclined to believe that even 10% of

men so diagnosed dying of our insidious disease is still too many and

we have to continue our efforts in making men aware of prostate

cancer and in encouraging support of more federal funds dedicated to

prostate cancer research.

There, I wrote that all in one breath and in one sentence. My

opinion.

(Chuck) Maack

Prostate Cancer Advocate

Wichita, Kansas

Chapter, Us TOO

Bio: http://www.ustoowichita.org/leaders.cfm?content=bio & id=1

Email: maack1@...

>

> Maybe, but that's not what the article says!! And that statement is

repeated

> again and again all in the name of scaring the men with a prostate

cancer

> diagnosis.

>

>

>

> If 288,000 men died of cancer in the USA, as the statistics show,

then

> prostate cancer is not one of the biggest cancer risks facing men

in the USA

> with an estimated toll of " only " 28,000 plus minus.

>

>

>

> PCa coming in as cause of death #7 isn't as frightening as #2.

>

>

>

> All the best

>

>

>

> Terry Herbert

>

> I have no medical qualifications but I was diagnosed in '96: and

have

> learned a bit since then.

>

> My sites are at www.yananow.net <http://www.yananow.net/>

and

> <http://www.prostatecancerwatchfulwaiting.co.za/>

> www.prostatecancerwatchfulwaiting.co.za

>

> Dr " Snuffy " Myers : " As a physician, I am painfully

aware

that most

> of the decisions we make with regard to prostate cancer are made

with

> inadequate data "

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: ProstateCancerSupport

> [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ]

On Behalf Of

APilgrm@...

> Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2008 2:28 PM

> To: ProstateCancerSupport

> Subject: Re: Symptoms and Symptom Distress

in

> Localized Prosta...

>

>

>

> Hi Terry,

>

>

>

> I think the statistic is that PCa is the second leading cause

>

> of death in men due to cancer.

>

>

>

> I wish you all the best

>

> Aubrey

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/12/2008 5:14:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> ghenesh_49@... writes:

>

> Is this statement correct? <snip> Prostate cancer is ..........

the second

> leading cause of death in American men. <snip>

>

> The latest US

statistic I can find show that

>

> - 1,2 million men died

>

> - 336,000 men died of disease of the heart

>

> - 288,000 men (24.0%) died of malignant neoplasms (so if the death

toll from

> prostate cancer is around 28,000, that means that 10% of the cancer

deaths,

> or about 2.5% of total male deaths were from prostate cancer)

>

> - 70,000 died in accidents

>

> - 61,500 died from cerebrovascular disease

>

> - 61,000 died from chronic lower respiratory disease

>

> - 35,438 died from Diabetes

>

> - 28,778 died from influenza and pneumonia

>

> On the basis of these figures, prostate cancer is certainly not the

second

> leading cause of death in American men who have about the same

chance of

> dying from influenza - yet men when diagnosed with 'flu simply

don't have

> the same reaction as men diagnosed with prostate cancer. Could that

be

> because they are constantly fed the incorrect information?

>

> All the best

>

> Terry Herbert

>

> I have no medical qualifications but I was diagnosed in '96: and

have

> learned a bit since then.

>

> My sites are at www.yananow. <http://www.yananow.net/>

net and

> www.prostatecancerw

<http://www.prostatecancerwatchfulwaiting.co.za/>

> atchfulwaiting.co.za

>

> Dr " Snuffy " Myers : " As a physician, I am painfully

aware

that most

> of the decisions we make with regard to prostate cancer are made

with

> inadequate data "

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Start the year off right. Easy

> <http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?

NCID=aolcmp00300000002489>

> ways to stay in shape in the new year.

>

[Guest guest]

Here is what the ACS says:

" What Are the Key Statistics About Prostate Cancer?

Prostate cancer is the most common cancer, other than skin cancers,

in American men. The American Cancer Society estimates that during

2007 about 218,890 new cases of prostate cancer will be diagnosed in

the United States. About 1 man in 6 will be diagnosed with prostate

cancer during his lifetime, but only 1 man in 35 will die of it. More

than 2 million men in the United States who have been diagnosed with

prostate cancer at some point are still alive today.

Prostate cancer is the second leading cause of cancer death in

American men, behind only lung cancer. The American Cancer Society

estimates that 27,050 men in the United States will die of prostate

cancer in 2007. Prostate cancer accounts for about 9% of cancer-

related deaths in men.... "

Fuller

>

> I don't disagree with your sentiments, Chuck, but is it good

practice to

> mislead men? Surely if they find out that what they have been told

about

> this is plain wrong, then there is a whole lot of other stuff they

may not

> believe either?

>

>

>

>

>

> All the best

>

>

>

> Terry Herbert

>

[Guest guest]

Terry,

It seems to me that this is an typo/editing

error rather than an attempt to mislead.

It is not even relevant to the topic of

the article just part of the introduction. It does not change the conclusions

of the article.

Kathy

On Behalf Of Terry Herbert

Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 11:54

PM

I don't disagree with

your sentiments, Chuck, but is it good practice to mislead men? Surely if they

find out that what they have been told about this is plain wrong, then there is

a whole lot of other stuff they may not believe either?

All the best

Terry Herbert

I have no medical

qualifications but I was diagnosed in ‘96: and have learned a bit since

then.

My sites are at www.yananow.net and www.prostatecancerwatchfulwaiting.co.za

Dr

“Snuffy” Myers : " As a physician, I am painfully aware that

most of the decisions we make with regard to prostate cancer are made with

inadequate data "

[Guest guest]

Good morning Fuller & all the rest: Just want to say about what I had

to say the other night. When I was diagnoised over three years ago

maybe longer it never fazed me. My grown children were there asking

questions. It is well to have some extra ears around to listen as the

options are explained. I actually believe inmy mind that if the

cancer is left alone I will be alright, but do I want to take that

chance. Like I mentioned the involvement is 20% up from 5% over the

past three years. I have had talks with Mayo Clinic, Cleveland

Medical Facility. I have studied the deVinci' method which my

Urologist is using, and has been using over the last 200 operations.

It (operation) has not hit home until now.

> >

> > I don't disagree with your sentiments, Chuck, but is it good

> practice to

> > mislead men? Surely if they find out that what they have been

told

> about

> > this is plain wrong, then there is a whole lot of other stuff

they

> may not

> > believe either?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > All the best

> >

> >

> >

> > Terry Herbert

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> Terry,

> It seems to me that this is an typo/editing error rather than an attempt

> to mislead.

>

> It is not even relevant to the topic of the article just part of the

> introduction. It does not change the conclusions of the article.

Which was a response to Terry's post:

> I don't disagree with your sentiments, Chuck, but is it good practice to

> mislead men? Surely if they find out that what they have been told about

> this is plain wrong, then there is a whole lot of other stuff they may

> not believe either?

What is the topic of this exchange?

It would be very helpful if folks (not picking on Kathy, who is an

angel) would puh-leeze cite whatever it is to which they are responding.

TIA.

Regards,

Steve J