Re: chelation and RT3

[Guest guest]

I don't know the answer to your question, but wanted to say that on

another list I'm on the recmmendation is to increase glutathione levels.

That list says glutathione is the body's primary detoxer, and will even

detox mercury and other heavy metals if levels are optimal. Below is the

info and protocol recommended.

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/glutathione-references.html

sol

seashell_555 wrote:

> I know chelation isn't really supported here but wanted to share my

> experience. I have done the Cutler protocal off and on for years but

> always have to stop because of side effects. I know I have mercury

> issues because I do notice improvements when I chelate - but then the

> side effects wipe me out. I guess my question/hope is that if I can

> clear out the RT3 issues and get T3 into my cells, will I be able to

> detox better and thus handle chelation more consistently? Has anyone

> done that here? Even Andy Cutler, who developed the chelation

> protocal recommends getting thyroid/adrenal sorted out as it will help

> you feel a whole lot better as well as heal alot faster.

>

> Seashell

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kombucha Tea is a good source of glutathionine.

Dorothy

> That list says glutathione is the body's primary detoxer, and will even

> detox mercury and other heavy metals if levels are optimal.

[Guest guest]

Just thought I'd ad my experience with mercury toxicity and T3

About 8 yrs ago I had amalgam fillings removed without proper protocol.

Shortly after that I started feeling really bad.Depression,fatigue,

etc.

I finally figured out that I needed more thyroid.I was on 2 gr Armour.

My temp was pretty low so I increased to 6 gr Armour and it helped but

did not resolve the issue.Then I found T3 and this is the only thing

that has helped me.I have tried different chelation/detox protocols

supplements etc ,and they always make me feel worse.Mercury is known

to hit the thyroid ,bump iodine out of the cells and damage receptor

sites.I don't have RT3 issues but I have some pretty bad resistance

issues and I believe this is due to mercury.

Every time I try to detox I end up having to increase T3 to compensate

for the damage the detox has done.It's a real nightmare, and getting

expensive.I'm now on 150 mcg and I started on 54 mcg.

A lot of alternative drs like to get the hormones balanced to

compensate for what has been screwed up by toxins,then try to detox.

I don't know what the answer is but if your detox pathways are not

working well then all you do is mobilize mercury instead of dumping

it.This ends up causing more problems,as you have stirred up mercury

and caused more damage.

Val mentioned that having thyroid up to par will help with detox.

It hasn't helped me.I think it may help with other toxins and it

probably helps to get detox pathways up and running better, because

from what I understand low thyroid causes sluggish liver and this is a

big part of ability to detox.

I've often wondered what came first,accumulating toxins due to low

metabolic state or or low metabolic state due to toxins.

Are you taking low dose DMSA?

I was on 200mg 3X a day and it damaged by liver and who knows what else.

My 2 cents.

Chantal

>

> I know chelation isn't really supported here but wanted to share my

> experience. I have done the Cutler protocal off and on for years but

> always have to stop because of side effects. I know I have mercury

> issues because I do notice improvements when I chelate - but then the

> side effects wipe me out. I guess my question/hope is that if I can

> clear out the RT3 issues and get T3 into my cells, will I be able to

> detox better and thus handle chelation more consistently? Has anyone

> done that here? Even Andy Cutler, who developed the chelation

> protocal recommends getting thyroid/adrenal sorted out as it will help

> you feel a whole lot better as well as heal alot faster.

>

> Seashell

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Chantal..feels like I could have written your letter.

Bad mercury removal

got sick

now on thyroid

trying to get the t3 upped.

only thing, I just found I do have reverse t3 problem.

So, how much t3 and armour are you on now?

Subject: Re: chelation and RT3To: RT3_T3 Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 3:49 PM

Just thought I'd ad my experience with mercury toxicity and T3About 8 yrs ago I had amalgam fillings removed without proper protocol.Shortly after that I started feeling really bad.Depression,fatigue,etc.I finally figured out that I needed more thyroid.I was on 2 gr Armour.My temp was pretty low so I increased to 6 gr Armour and it helped butdid not resolve the issue.Then I found T3 and this is the only thingthat has helped me.I have tried different chelation/detox protocolssupplements etc ,and they always make me feel worse.Mercury is knownto hit the thyroid ,bump iodine out of the cells and damage receptorsites.I don't have RT3 issues but I have some pretty bad resistanceissues and I believe this is due to mercury.Every time I try to detox I end up having to increase T3 to compensatefor the damage the detox has done.It's a real nightmare, and gettingexpensive.I'm now on 150

mcg and I started on 54 mcg.A lot of alternative drs like to get the hormones balanced tocompensate for what has been screwed up by toxins,then try to detox.I don't know what the answer is but if your detox pathways are notworking well then all you do is mobilize mercury instead of dumpingit.This ends up causing more problems,as you have stirred up mercuryand caused more damage.Val mentioned that having thyroid up to par will help with detox.It hasn't helped me.I think it may help with other toxins and itprobably helps to get detox pathways up and running better, becausefrom what I understand low thyroid causes sluggish liver and this is abig part of ability to detox.I've often wondered what came first,accumulating toxins due to lowmetabolic state or or low metabolic state due to toxins.Are you taking low dose DMSA?I was on 200mg 3X a day and it damaged by liver and who knows what else.My 2

cents.Chantal> > I know chelation isn't really supported here but wanted to share my > experience. I have done the Cutler protocal off and on for years but > always have to stop because of side effects. I know I have mercury > issues because I do notice improvements when I chelate - but then the > side effects wipe me out. I guess my question/hope is that if I can > clear out the RT3 issues and get T3 into my cells, will I be able to > detox better and thus handle chelation more consistently? Has anyone > done that here? Even Andy Cutler, who developed the chelation > protocal recommends getting thyroid/adrenal sorted out as it will help > you feel a whole lot better as well as heal alot faster.> > Seashell>------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi Chantal-

Taking 200 mg DMSA 3 x per day is a

dangerous protocol. DMSA has a half life in the body of approximately 4 hours,

so when it begins to diminish past that time, mercury is dropped off in new

places causing redistribution symptoms and more damage. DMSA should be taken

every 4 hours around the clock for a few days with breaks of several days in

between “rounds.” And, 200 mg is too much. Many following Dr.

Cutler’s protocol (http://www.noamalgam.com)

take less than 25 mg per dose, some take as little as 5 mg to avoid

redistribution symptoms. Also – VERY IMPORTANT – chelation of any

kind should NEVER be done when a person still has any amalgams in their mouth.

Alpha lipoic acid is the only chelator

that will safely remove mercury from the brain and central nervous system as

well as deep in the tissues. And it has a half life of only 3 hours so has to

be taken every 3 hours around the clock, again for 3 (or so) days with several

days’ breaks. Any chelator will cause redistribution if taken in

infrequent and / or too large doses.

I believe Cutler’s protocol is the

safest and most effective. The Yahoo group frequent_dose_chelation is one of

the main chelation support groups for Cutler’s method.

I do agree that having adrenals and

thyroid in the best shape possible is necessary for successful chelation. Unfortunately,

unless a person was “gifted” with the right genes, adequate hormone

function won’t be enough to eliminate mercury. Simple chemistry requires

a particular sulfur-containing substance (a di-thiol) to chelate mercury

(di-thiols are DMSA, DMPS, and alpha lipoic acid). I’ve been taking DMPS

in very small doses every 6 hours around the clock but recently starting having

symptoms from it. I’m going to try taking only 5 mg doses instead of the

7.5 mg and 15 mg doses that resulted in migraines and may only be able to do

3-day rounds for the time being. I’m just going to have to take it slow,

as is the suggestion from the chelation “gurus.”

Good luck,

Dana

From: RT3_T3 [mailto:RT3_T3 ] On Behalf Of ladyhawkblue2

Just thought I'd ad my experience with mercury

toxicity and T3

About 8 yrs ago I had amalgam fillings removed without proper protocol.

Shortly after that I started feeling really bad.Depression,fatigue,

etc.

I finally figured out that I needed more thyroid.I was on 2 gr Armour.

My temp was pretty low so I increased to 6 gr Armour and it helped but

did not resolve the issue.Then I found T3 and this is the only thing

that has helped me.I have tried different chelation/detox protocols

supplements etc ,and they always make me feel worse.Mercury is known

to hit the thyroid ,bump iodine out of the cells and damage receptor

sites.I don't have RT3 issues but I have some pretty bad resistance

issues and I believe this is due to mercury.

Every time I try to detox I end up having to increase T3 to compensate

for the damage the detox has done.It's a real nightmare, and getting

expensive.I'm now on 150 mcg and I started on 54 mcg.

A lot of alternative drs like to get the hormones balanced to

compensate for what has been screwed up by toxins,then try to detox.

I don't know what the answer is but if your detox pathways are not

working well then all you do is mobilize mercury instead of dumping

it.This ends up causing more problems,as you have stirred up mercury

and caused more damage.

Val mentioned that having thyroid up to par will help with detox.

It hasn't helped me.I think it may help with other toxins and it

probably helps to get detox pathways up and running better, because

from what I understand low thyroid causes sluggish liver and this is a

big part of ability to detox.

I've often wondered what came first,accumulating toxins due to low

metabolic state or or low metabolic state due to toxins.

Are you taking low dose DMSA?

I was on 200mg 3X a day and it damaged by liver and who knows what else.

My 2 cents.

Chantal

[Guest guest]

>>The Yahoo group frequent_dose_chelation is

one of the main chelation support groups for Cutler’s method.

Sorry – the group is frequent-dose-chelation . .

.. (words connected with hyphens, not underscores):

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/

[Guest guest]

I had a cheltaion edta intravenous..that made me sick for months. it depleted my good minerals too..or something.

I now take a few drops of iodine a day, was told thing can chelate. what about cilantro/chlorella? i was going to get this.

Subject: RE: Re: chelation and RT3To: RT3_T3 Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 4:24 PM

Hi Chantal-

Taking 200 mg DMSA 3 x per day is a dangerous protocol. DMSA has a half life in the body of approximately 4 hours, so when it begins to diminish past that time, mercury is dropped off in new places causing redistribution symptoms and more damage. DMSA should be taken every 4 hours around the clock for a few days with breaks of several days in between “rounds.” And, 200 mg is too much. Many following Dr. Cutler’s protocol (http://www.noamalgam.com) take less than 25 mg per dose, some take as little as 5 mg to avoid redistribution symptoms. Also – VERY IMPORTANT – chelation of any kind should NEVER be done when a person still has any amalgams in their mouth.

Alpha lipoic acid is the only chelator that will safely remove mercury from the brain and central nervous system as well as deep in the tissues. And it has a half life of only 3 hours so has to be taken every 3 hours around the clock, again for 3 (or so) days with several days’ breaks. Any chelator will cause redistribution if taken in infrequent and / or too large doses.

I believe Cutler’s protocol is the safest and most effective. The Yahoo group frequent_dose_chelation is one of the main chelation support groups for Cutler’s method.

I do agree that having adrenals and thyroid in the best shape possible is necessary for successful chelation. Unfortunately, unless a person was “gifted” with the right genes, adequate hormone function won’t be enough to eliminate mercury. Simple chemistry requires a particular sulfur-containing substance (a di-thiol) to chelate mercury (di-thiols are DMSA, DMPS, and alpha lipoic acid). I’ve been taking DMPS in very small doses every 6 hours around the clock but recently starting having symptoms from it. I’m going to try taking only 5 mg doses instead of the 7.5 mg and 15 mg doses that resulted in migraines and may only be able to do 3-day rounds for the time being. I’m just going to have to take it slow, as is the suggestion from the chelation “gurus.”

Good luck,

Dana

From: RT3_T3 [mailto: RT3_T3 ] On Behalf Of ladyhawkblue2

Just thought I'd ad my experience with mercury toxicity and T3About 8 yrs ago I had amalgam fillings removed without proper protocol.Shortly after that I started feeling really bad.Depression, fatigue,etc.I finally figured out that I needed more thyroid.I was on 2 gr Armour.My temp was pretty low so I increased to 6 gr Armour and it helped butdid not resolve the issue.Then I found T3 and this is the only thingthat has helped me.I have tried different chelation/detox protocolssupplements etc ,and they always make me feel worse.Mercury is knownto hit the thyroid ,bump iodine out of the cells and damage receptorsites.I don't have RT3 issues but I have some pretty bad resistanceissues and I believe this is due to mercury.Every time I try to detox I end up having to increase T3 to compensatefor the damage the

detox has done.It's a real nightmare, and gettingexpensive.I' m now on 150 mcg and I started on 54 mcg.A lot of alternative drs like to get the hormones balanced tocompensate for what has been screwed up by toxins,then try to detox.I don't know what the answer is but if your detox pathways are notworking well then all you do is mobilize mercury instead of dumpingit.This ends up causing more problems,as you have stirred up mercuryand caused more damage.Val mentioned that having thyroid up to par will help with detox.It hasn't helped me.I think it may help with other toxins and itprobably helps to get detox pathways up and running better, becausefrom what I understand low thyroid causes sluggish liver and this is abig part of ability to detox.I've often wondered what came first,accumulating toxins due to lowmetabolic state or or low metabolic state due to toxins.Are you taking low dose DMSA?I

was on 200mg 3X a day and it damaged by liver and who knows what else.My 2 cents.Chantal

[Guest guest]

............Mercury is known

> to hit the thyroid ,bump iodine out of the cells and damage receptor

> sites.I don't have RT3 issues but I have some pretty bad resistance

> issues and I believe this is due to mercury.

They also say that iodine will bump the mercury out of the cells.

Maybe mercury gets in because there is not enough iodine.

Dorothy

[Guest guest]

I know there are claims that iodine can

chelate mercury. According to chemistry, iodine does not combine with mercury.

Sulfur compounds do. Cilantro releases mercury into the system and can cause redistribution.

According to Cutler, it’s not universally safe to use because they don’t

understand its mechanism. Chlorella “stirs up” mercury

(redistributes and thus can cause problems) but isn’t a strong enough substance

to take mercury out of the body.

EDTA combines with mercury resulting in a

substance that’s more toxic than mercury (some say a lot more toxic). It

does NOT chelate mercury out of the system. EDTA is useful for removing lead

but should not be used by anyone who is mercury toxic. A friend of mine (who is

in much better health than I) got sick every time she tried IV EDTA chelation

(that was before we knew it’s interaction with mercury).

All that said, some people swear by

cilantro and chlorella, but if you’re in poor health and suspect mercury

to be a problem for you (symptoms relating to dental amalgams, etc) it’s

a good idea to avoid them. Not everyone has a problem with them (I did –

chlorella made me very sick), but I’ve heard some actual horror stories. All

of this is not widely known by doctors, and there is a lot of incorrect

information out there – even from “experts.” Dr. Cutler is a

former chemistry professor who figured out how to cure himself of amalgam

poisoning. Many have used his methods successfully, including autistic

children.

Dana

From: RT3_T3 [mailto:RT3_T3 ] On Behalf Of Leisa Forman

I had a cheltaion edta intravenous..that made

me sick for months. it depleted my good minerals too..or something.

I now take a few drops of iodine a day, was told

thing can chelate. what about cilantro/chlorella? i was going to get this.

[Guest guest]

I don’t think iodine is involved. Chemically

it doesn’t combine with mercury. Mercury combines with sulfur compounds

called thiols or “mercaptans,” of which there are many in our body

(cysteine is a common component of body proteins). That’s also why compounds

with two “thiols” (sulfur containing substances) are necessary to “grab”

mercury away from body tissues which contain single thiols (not as strong a

bond). Di-thiol substances (DMSA, DMPS, alpha lipoic acid) have a stronger bond

than the sulfur compounds in body tissue so can pull mercury out and carry it

away.

Here’s what Wikipedia has to say

about thiols (mercaptans):

The term mercaptan comes

from the Latin mercurium captans, meaning 'laying hold of

mercury,' because the –SH group binds tightly to the element mercury.

Sorry to get so technical, but I think the

reason there is so much misinformation about this is that people don’t

understand the way this chemistry works, so it’s easy to come up with all

sorts of theories that don’t work scientifically.

Another substance that binds mercury (but

doesn’t take it out of the body) is selenium. It can make mercury less

toxic in the body by binding it, making it relatively inert. The bond doesn’t

hold forever, though.

As far as mercury getting in the way of

other substances – I wonder if that’s why some of us are “resistant”

to hormones such as thyroid and cortisol. Mercury also takes the place of other

minerals in enzymes (which drive metabolic function), inactivating them. I have

impaired liver function because of it.

Dana

From: RT3_T3 [mailto:RT3_T3 ] On Behalf Of dorothyroeder

............Mercury is known

> to hit the thyroid ,bump iodine out of the cells and damage receptor

> sites.I don't have RT3 issues but I have some pretty bad resistance

> issues and I believe this is due to mercury.

They also say that iodine will bump the mercury out of the cells.

Maybe mercury gets in because there is not enough iodine.

Dorothy

[Guest guest]

I paid hundreds for consults and the iv chelation by dr sadelik in tucson..then when I got sooooo sick after and couldnt funtion and work, he just cut me off. Great huh? Ive bounced back recently.

Subject: RE: Re: chelation and RT3To: RT3_T3 Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 6:54 PM

I know there are claims that iodine can chelate mercury. According to chemistry, iodine does not combine with mercury. Sulfur compounds do. Cilantro releases mercury into the system and can cause redistribution. According to Cutler, it’s not universally safe to use because they don’t understand its mechanism. Chlorella “stirs up” mercury (redistributes and thus can cause problems) but isn’t a strong enough substance to take mercury out of the body.

EDTA combines with mercury resulting in a substance that’s more toxic than mercury (some say a lot more toxic). It does NOT chelate mercury out of the system. EDTA is useful for removing lead but should not be used by anyone who is mercury toxic. A friend of mine (who is in much better health than I) got sick every time she tried IV EDTA chelation (that was before we knew it’s interaction with mercury).

All that said, some people swear by cilantro and chlorella, but if you’re in poor health and suspect mercury to be a problem for you (symptoms relating to dental amalgams, etc) it’s a good idea to avoid them. Not everyone has a problem with them (I did – chlorella made me very sick), but I’ve heard some actual horror stories. All of this is not widely known by doctors, and there is a lot of incorrect information out there – even from “experts.” Dr. Cutler is a former chemistry professor who figured out how to cure himself of amalgam poisoning. Many have used his methods successfully, including autistic children.

Dana

From: RT3_T3 [mailto: RT3_T3 ] On Behalf Of Leisa Forman

I had a cheltaion edta intravenous. .that made me sick for months. it depleted my good minerals too..or something.

I now take a few drops of iodine a day, was told thing can chelate. what about cilantro/chlorella? i was going to get this.

[Guest guest]

is msm good

Subject: RE: Re: chelation and RT3To: RT3_T3 Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 7:10 PM

I don’t think iodine is involved. Chemically it doesn’t combine with mercury. Mercury combines with sulfur compounds called thiols or “mercaptans,” of which there are many in our body (cysteine is a common component of body proteins). That’s also why compounds with two “thiols” (sulfur containing substances) are necessary to “grab” mercury away from body tissues which contain single thiols (not as strong a bond). Di-thiol substances (DMSA, DMPS, alpha lipoic acid) have a stronger bond than the sulfur compounds in body tissue so can pull mercury out and carry it away.

Here’s what Wikipedia has to say about thiols (mercaptans):

The term mercaptan comes from the Latin mercurium captans, meaning 'laying hold of mercury,' because the –SH group binds tightly to the element mercury.

Sorry to get so technical, but I think the reason there is so much misinformation about this is that people don’t understand the way this chemistry works, so it’s easy to come up with all sorts of theories that don’t work scientifically.

Another substance that binds mercury (but doesn’t take it out of the body) is selenium. It can make mercury less toxic in the body by binding it, making it relatively inert. The bond doesn’t hold forever, though.

As far as mercury getting in the way of other substances – I wonder if that’s why some of us are “resistant” to hormones such as thyroid and cortisol. Mercury also takes the place of other minerals in enzymes (which drive metabolic function), inactivating them. I have impaired liver function because of it.

Dana

From: RT3_T3 [mailto: RT3_T3 ] On Behalf Of dorothyroeder

............Mercury is known> to hit the thyroid ,bump iodine out of the cells and damage receptor> sites.I don't have RT3 issues but I have some pretty bad resistance> issues and I believe this is due to mercury.They also say that iodine will bump the mercury out of the cells.Maybe mercury gets in because there is not enough iodine. Dorothy

[Guest guest]

I just don’t understand some people.

Doctors are a good example, but they’re not the only ones. Some folks just get

so attached to their beliefs and ideas that they are unable or unwilling to

investigate further. You’d think doctors (of all people) would want to get to

the bottom of things, but it seems many of them would rather hang on to their

pet ideas than help people. How they sleep at night is beyond me.

In 2004, I went to an “alternative” MD who

treated me for Lyme with a bunch of supplements and other therapies, costing me

around $8000. When none of it helped, he blamed me instead of his treatments. He

was totally hung up on his theories and those of others he thought were

experts. What a waste of money. He had no clue about thyroid and adrenals and

when I asked him for HC he wouldn’t agree. He recently passed away because of

health problems that he should have been able to deal with using reasonable

alternatives and good diet. He wasn’t able to take responsibility for his own

health.

Dana

From: RT3_T3 [mailto:RT3_T3 ] On Behalf Of Leisa Forman

I paid hundreds

for consults and the iv chelation by dr sadelik in tucson..then when I got sooooo sick after

and couldnt funtion and work, he just cut me off. Great huh? Ive bounced back

recently.

[Guest guest]

It’s a sulfur compound, so it has

the potential to stir up mercury. It mostly depends on how your liver handles

sulfur. There are several different detox pathways in the liver, some involving

sulfur. If those are working OK you should be able to handle sulfury stuff. If

not – it’s not so good. I’m on a low sulfur diet since my

liver is mucked up with mercury (and my liver “sulfation” pathways

aren’t doing their job too well). If you tolerate high sulfur foods such

as eggs pretty well, then MSM might be OK. It doesn’t really have too

much potential for harm though, so you could try it to see how your body

responds. If you need sulfur, it could be helpful. It never seemed to do much

for me one way or the other, but I know people who swear by it. I used to give

it to some of my horses (back in the days when I actually had horses), and it

was helpful for some of their lameness problems.

Dana

From: RT3_T3 [mailto:RT3_T3 ] On Behalf Of Leisa Forman

is msm good

[Guest guest]

I took iodine for awhile and it caused me to feel worse and to have to

increase my T3.

I think it mobilizes mercury but does not hang on to it like chelators

are supposed to.I wonder how many people on this list have heavy

metals and don't know it.Most everyone has amalgam fillings.

I know another woman with mercury toxicity who has tried everything

and she has also said that the only thing that has helped her is T3.

Here is a little excerpt on iodine.

Heavy Metal Detoxification

One unique feature of iodine supplementation, discovered during some

of the more recent research, was that the heavy metals lead, mercury,

cadmium, and to a lesser extent aluminum, are naturally excreted

through the urine in significantly higher amounts over baseline when

iodine is supplemented.Heavy metals are known to be chronic disruptors

of metabolism, interfering with nearly every metabolic function in the

body including the nervous system, neurotransmitters, hormones, and

cellular metabolism of energy. The important fact to remember is that

heavy metals are cumulative poisons that are poorly excreted from the

body. This means that trivial sources of metal can still add to your

lifetime load.

http://www.healthnatura.com/art_iodine_metabolism.htm

> I don't think iodine is involved. Chemically it doesn't combine with

> mercury. Mercury combines with sulfur compounds called thiols or

> " mercaptans, " of which there are many in our body (cysteine is a common

> component of body proteins). That's also why compounds with two " thiols "

> (sulfur containing substances) are necessary to " grab " mercury away from

> body tissues which contain single thiols (not as strong a bond).

Di-thiol

> substances (DMSA, DMPS, alpha lipoic acid) have a stronger bond than the

> sulfur compounds in body tissue so can pull mercury out and carry it

away.

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I don't think iodine is involved. Chemically it doesn't combine with

> mercury.

I don't think iodine combines with mercury in any way. It displaces

it. At least that is what the iodine people say. I just take bentonite

to remove it, because it is something I can afford.

Dorothy

[Guest guest]

It would be interesting to know the

mechanism relating to iodine and metals since iodine does not combine

chemically with mercury (I’m not sure about the others) If it does in

fact increase urinary excretion of mercury and other metals. Mercury will not

float around the body “loose” for very long. If it were mobilized

by some mechanism influenced by iodine, it would be grabbed by another thiol

(sulfhydryl) group almost instantly. It would not just float out of the body “unattended.”

Mercury molecules are strongly attracted to thiols (such as cysteine) which are

virtually everywhere in the body. Maybe I’ll run this by the chelation

folks to get their thoughts.

Iodine displaces bromine, fluorine, and

chlorine (all including iodine are halogens), so if a person takes too much too

soon, it can cause “detox” symptoms as those minerals are mobilized

in the body in amounts too great for the eliminative organs to handle. There’s

so much of those substances in our food, water, and environment that most of us

probably have lots of it stored in our tissues. I’ve heard of people

getting pretty sick from starting on too large a dose of iodine.

Dana

From: RT3_T3 [mailto:RT3_T3 ] On Behalf Of ladyhawkblue2

I took iodine for awhile and it caused me to feel worse and to have to

increase my T3.

I think it mobilizes mercury but does not hang on to it like chelators

are supposed to.I wonder how many people on this list have heavy

metals and don't know it.Most everyone has amalgam fillings.

I know another woman with mercury toxicity who has tried everything

and she has also said that the only thing that has helped her is T3.

,___

[Guest guest]

Not everyone has a problem with iodine –

it’s just that reactions are a possibility.

Dana

From: RT3_T3 [mailto:RT3_T3 ] On Behalf Of Leisa Forman

Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008

7:15 AM

To: RT3_T3

Subject: RE: Re:

chelation and RT3

Ive heard of that too,yet I feel fabulous(well

comparitivly speaking) when I take 3 drops a day. I notice it if I skip

to days..cloudy(er) thinking and less energy.

Iodine displaces bromine, fluorine, and chlorine (all including

iodine are halogens), so if a person takes too much too soon, it can cause

“detox” symptoms as those minerals are mobilized in the body in amounts too

great for the eliminative organs to handle. There’s so much of those

substances in our food, water, and environment that most of us probably have

lots of it stored in our tissues. I’ve heard of people getting pretty sick

from starting on too large a dose of iodine.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Dana Black wrote:

>

>

>

> Iodine displaces bromine, fluorine, and chlorine (all including iodine

> are halogens),

>

I am trying to find out if fluorine can displace iodine, and if it can,

what then happens to the freed up iodine? Or does it only work one way?

Iodine can displace fluorine, but fluorine cannot displace iodine?

sol

[Guest guest]

The way I understand it, fluoride takes the space allotted for iodine

when there is insufficient iodine to fill the spaces. The way to avoid

getting a body full of bromine, fluorine and perchlorates is to make

sure it has plenty of iodine.

Iodine is transported into cells via the sodium/iodide symporter

system. The body prefers iodine and iodine can compete with the other

halogens, according to Brownstein's book. I assume he means compete

successfully. When given large doses of iodine, subjects in the test

excreted less than the amount of iodine given and urine levels of the

other halogens were increased.

Dorothy

> I am trying to find out if fluorine can displace iodine, and if it can,

> what then happens to the freed up iodine? Or does it only work one way?

> Iodine can displace fluorine, but fluorine cannot displace iodine?

> sol

>

[Guest guest]

I’m actually not too clear on this.

I’ve read from some of the recent iodine sources that iodine helps the

body eliminate the other halogens, but in Googling I found some conflicting

info, so I’m not sure how it works. Maybe Dr. Brownstein’s book

would shed some light. Perhaps it’s just that the body has more affinity

for iodine than the others so releases them in favor of iodine when it’s

available (just something of a wild guess).

Dana

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I am

trying to find out if fluorine can displace iodine, and if it can,

what then happens to the freed up iodine? Or does it only work one way?

Iodine can displace fluorine, but fluorine cannot displace iodine?

sol

[Guest guest]

> I found a rather scientific site (didn't keep the link) that says

the all

> others displace iodine (which is the heaviest halogen and I believe the

This report is about reactions in a test tube. I am not so sure that

is what happens in the body. But I am not a chemist or a biochemist so

don't really know. I think the better question would be, do the

sodium/iodide symporters carry fluoride or bromide into the cells when

there is not enough iodide. The key may just be in volume, increasing

the chances of getting iodine by having it in the greatest abundance.

But that's just a guess.

Dorothy