Re: Growing more sensitive to T3

December 18, 2008

I was on a partial dose of compounded sustained release T3. Decided I needed to have an exact dose of T3 and not guess at how much I was getting from the SR. Val said start to trade 5 mcg for the 30 mg. I did, but because I made a T3 change, it threw me into all sorts of metabolic upheaval which left me unable to tell if I traded to low or too high! So up I went in dose thinking I was hypo. Wrong. Am shocked to discover that 30 mcg SRT3 is only worth an additional 2.5 mcg to me. I was on 105 SRT3 and 30 SRT3. Now I am on 107.5 after taking an official trip through hyper hell the last 3 weeks. Went as high as 135 mcg. searching. AGIt turns out my TRT3 dose of 30 mcg when traded out was only worth 2.5 mcg!!!!ag

December 18, 2008

Straight cytomel now. I dose 6, 10 and 2 p.m. 37.5, 37.5, 32.5. And 5, 5, 5 HC.AGPosted by: "Leisa Forman" leisamelanie@... leisamelanieThu Dec 18, 2008 7:39 am (PST)what type of t3 are you using

December 18, 2008

The lower back pain for me was a biggie. There was no physical reason for it. With high RT3 (doc said it was the 2nd highest he had seen in his career) 440, all my thyroid was blocked. Simply couldn't move. My body felt deeply weighted and fatigued. This was on 6 grains of armour. I went all the way to 3 grains with no HC. Didn't know about it at the time. At 3 grains I added HC, but by then the rt3 had been built up I suppose, although I didn't feel awful on 3 grains, just didn't feel anything. From 3-6 grains the deep fatigue set it.>> rt3 caused lower back pain, listlessness, dead all over, tired, > depressed..... all of this cleared away.> > ag>=======Wow, that's huge! And also fits alot of my symptoms - especiallythe lower back pain which at times has been near unbearable.

December 18, 2008

Val that is utterly Legendary as we say in Oz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WooHooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!

So that means you were primary adrenal not secondary, and fatigued not

atrophied???? Congratulations!!!! :-) :-)

btw, got my IGF-1 and IGF-1BP back but not gh yet.. only on doc

scribble paper not print out yet, but IGF-1 was bottom 1/4 of range

and IGF-1 BP was half of range... we await HGH results with baited

breath and are going ahead with GH replacment therapy.. scitropin

(somatatropin) starting in next few weeks.

Thanks for the heads up too on the effects on your BS, I am starting

metformin again now, but have no history of BS issues, will keep an

eye on it.. oh and my homocysteine was top of range :-( but could be

from hypo and I was having and adverse reaction to Marcaine when serum

was drawn for test too, still highly inflamed here.

Cat

>

> Yes and I suspect I will need moe Armour or a tad T3 wiht it as I

was a little depressed feeling this AM and that is almost always Low

T3 for me. Then I got great news form my doctor.. My coritls HEL is

officially DONE. I have GREAT levels of coritls and it is being

metabilised normally while OFF HC! WOW Iam veyr happy about this news.

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

>

December 19, 2008

Hi Atlanta Girl,

Did you start HC before starting T3? I hope you don't mind telling

again, or just lead me to a message #.

I have high RT3, low ferritin, and low and high cortisol. Been

reluctant to take the cytomel (plus its expensive). And, don't want

to crash any further!

Thanks,

December 19, 2008

Hi Sharon,

I must be in a similar boat as you. I have the low ferritin (38) and

low cortisol and a problem with reverse T3 (or maybe I'm just thyroid

resistant). Anyway, I think I raised Cytomel too quickly. I did 12.5

mg week one, 25 mg week two, and 50 mg week three, based on doctor's

recommendation, but she probably doesn't understand yet the problems

of reverse T3 and low ferritin. I also took HC at 15 to 20 mg daily.

The Cytomel I did in about 3 doses daily as I also did the HC.

However, around week 3 I noticed my ankles really puffing up. In the

few cases in the past, when I hadn't been taking HC or thyroid

medication, my ankles might swell slightly, but they would be back to

normal in the morning. Well, I finally decided to ease off the HC &

Cytomel slowly to get rid of the swelling. For the last couple days,

I haven't taken either and the swelling has barely gone down. I've

even stopped taking iodine as I don't want it stimulating my thyroid

to produce more T4. I sure hope my ankles go down soon. I'd like to

then go REAL slow with the Cytomel. Has anyone had this particular

problem with ankle swelling taking quite a while to go down? I don't

understand why it is taking so long. Yeah, I guess if your ferritin

and cortisol are low, it's not easy getting the RT3 cleared out, and

Val did say you have to raise very slow. I guess I'll have to be more

patient. I'm curious if anyone else with low ferritin and/or low

cortisol has had this problem with swelling and maybe what other

problems using T3 (Cytomel) and raising too quickly.

>

> AG-am reading your post as I prepare to go to my doc who proposes I

take SRT3 rather than Cytomel.? I can only take very low dose per Val

because Ferritin/Cortils are still low.? Now I'm SO CONFUSED!? I've

heard about SRT3 being " easier " but seems like if I need to switch, it

will be difficult and not pleasant? : (? Based on your experience,

would you choose one or the other to start T3 therapy?? Any

thoughts/ideas would be so appreciated. ? Thanks, much.

>

> Sharon

>

December 20, 2008

With low cortisol and starting t3 you will continue to feel worse as your cortisol depletes over time. Many of us starting out simply don't have the adrenal reserves to take on even small doses of T3. 5 mcg is tiny small. I would suggest starting HC or isocort first and then try the cytomel again. Shredded insides is an excellent description of what I felt. My increasing HC has made all the diff. I was on 15 mg and have increased to 20. AGPosted by: "Leisa Forman" leisamelanie@... leisamelanieFri Dec 19, 2008 8:00 pm (PST)thank you so much for this thoughtful note. I am waiting till the pain goes totally away, and then will try the t3 again. I wonder if I should try just 2 1/2 mcg? I do the feeling of worn out adrenals..yes Ive battled with it.But that would cause more stools for me not pain, like shredded guts. But I felt great energy on that 5 mcg cytomel, not tired at all. also, each day I took it, I felt worse continually...rather than better. I will try again in a day or so, and maybe order a different kind.confused) :

December 20, 2008

I have certainly had this on and off. For me it was one of a few things- YET again! Too high HC is one. Too low T3 is another. And too high T3 with too low HC is the third. Once my T3 was right and I developed the swelling I looked at my HC levels. For me too much HC will be noticed in my stomach fat and inner thighs as well as edema in the lower leg. Plus my eyes get blurry from too high HC. It's important to increase everything slowly. It takes time for HC to build up. I have gone from 15 mg to 20 mg and am watching my ankles carefully. When I have enough cortisol I can tolerate less sea salt. Salt will make more edema in me. Not everyone is like this as some say s salt is a great diuretic. For me it only caused issues if my HC is too high or I have OK HC and take too much salt. Ahh the fine balance of it all!AGHas anyone had this particular problem with ankle swelling taking quite a while to go down?

December 20, 2008

>I have been reluctant to use too much cortisol, and afraid to always

>need it....

I was hesitant to use HC and tried to make out with Isocort for awhile

and just blew out my adrenals with not enough cortisol. Once I tried

HC it was wonderful. You could also read Dr. Jefferies book, " Safe

Uses of Cortisol " . He used it successfully with patients for 30 years.

Dorothy

December 20, 2008

Hi .......Wish I had started HC before thyroid. I added HC after I had been on 3 grains of armour for a few months. By then it must have been too late. By the time I got to 6 grains I had a major RT3 issue to deal with.When I traded out armour for T3 I was on HC. You shouldn't crash any further with T3 if you bring your ferritin up and take enough HC. My adrenals have gotten better without question from the T3. At the start your adrenals will struggle some until you get the hang. But for me, switching to T3 was the best thing I could have done. It's a trick deluxe to get the T3 in right balance with HC, but once up and running it's a most effective rejuvenation protocol. When I first started treating thyroid my ferritin was 17. Had to build it as I went. Finally I went with script iron because it's so fast. I've tried Chromagen and Repliva. Repiva is superb for quick building. I went from 63 to 81 with 7 doses. You can't beat that past getting a transfusion. !!AGHi Atlanta Girl,Did you start HC before starting T3? I hope you don't mind tellingagain, or just lead me to a message #.I have high RT3, low ferritin, and low and high cortisol. Beenreluctant to take the cytomel (plus its expensive). And, don't wantto crash any further!Thanks,

December 20, 2008

Thanks AG!

I tried Chromagen, bad GI troubles. Is Repliva like Chromagen? My

ferritin was 46. Any idea what your ferritin was at when you moved to

T3? I am taking Advanced Ferochel, 54 mg. a day, that is all I can

handle but I am thrilled to be able to take it, tried a few kinds

before it and had a lot of trouble with them.

I had high and low cortisol with saliva labs in July. Probably going

to get new saliva labs, have had an illness and fair amount of stress

since July. I had to lower my armour 1/2 grain after the illness to

get my heart to stop racing... it helped, but has left me tired and

unable to raise back.

Labs after the saliva (August??) had me with high free T3 and high

RT3. Was hoping that maybe starting HC would take care of the RT3,

but it looks like maybe that won't help.

Were your temps stable on HC before you started T3? My temps are not

stable right now.

Thanks!

>

> Hi .......

>

> Wish I had started HC before thyroid. I added HC after I had been on

> 3 grains of armour for a few months. By then it must have been too

> late. By the time I got to 6 grains I had a major RT3 issue to deal

> with.

>

> When I traded out armour for T3 I was on HC.

>

> You shouldn't crash any further with T3 if you bring your ferritin up

> and take enough HC. My adrenals have gotten better without question

> from the T3. At the start your adrenals will struggle some until you

> get the hang. But for me, switching to T3 was the best thing I could

> have done. It's a trick deluxe to get the T3 in right balance with

> HC, but once up and running it's a most effective rejuvenation protocol.

>

> When I first started treating thyroid my ferritin was 17. Had to

> build it as I went. Finally I went with script iron because it's so

> fast. I've tried Chromagen and Repliva. Repiva is superb for quick

> building. I went from 63 to 81 with 7 doses. You can't beat that

> past getting a transfusion. !!

>

> AG

>

> Hi Atlanta Girl,

>

> Did you start HC before starting T3? I hope you don't mind telling

> again, or just lead me to a message #.

>

> I have high RT3, low ferritin, and low and high cortisol. Been

> reluctant to take the cytomel (plus its expensive). And, don't want

> to crash any further!

>

> Thanks,

>

December 22, 2008

Repliva is different. Not sure if it would bother your stomach or not. I am getting ready to start dosing iron again and will take one every 5 days or so. Unfortunately I have noticed that script iron (all iron) binds my thyroid hormone even when I take it at night well away from thyroid dosing. I go hypo and start up with the air hunger thing. So I take a dose and then wait till it absorbs. Take it with 1000 mg C and l-lysine. My last ferritin was 81, but have wanted to build it to 100 so I have sinking room. Um, think was ferritin was in the 70's when I moved to T3. Iron can be very difficult to take for many which is why the script can be great. Chromagen took much longer to build with than the Repliva. It's worth it to bite the bullet and build ferritin as fast as you can tolerate. imho. So sorry for your setback. Whenever I have a setback with thyroid, with having to lower or when I went hyper, it always sets my adrenals back. Right now I am in a significant setback from having been hyper/low HC for 4 weeks. Drained my adrenals right down. Supporting with as much HC as it takes and raising T3 back up is my solution. Low HC gave me a high heart rate, higher bp and pounding. Recently when I raised HC from 15 to 20 mg heart rate lowered, bp went back down and pounding stopped. Now I can tolerate a thyroid raise again. And then the tiredness leaves......Starting HC will help with tolerating your T3 and allowing RT3 to clear. No, my temps were never stable before I started thyroid because I started thyroid first. If I only knew it would have saved time and heartache. AGThanks AG!I tried Chromagen, bad GI troubles. Is Repliva like Chromagen? Myferritin was 46. Any idea what your ferritin was at when you moved toT3? I am taking Advanced Ferochel, 54 mg. a day, that is all I canhandle but I am thrilled to be able to take it, tried a few kindsbefore it and had a lot of trouble with them.I had high and low cortisol with saliva labs in July. Probably goingto get new saliva labs, have had an illness and fair amount of stresssince July. I had to lower my armour 1/2 grain after the illness toget my heart to stop racing... it helped, but has left me tired andunable to raise back.Labs after the saliva (August??) had me with high free T3 and highRT3. Was hoping that maybe starting HC would take care of the RT3,but it looks like maybe that won't help.Were your temps stable on HC before you started T3? My temps are notstable right now.Thanks!

December 22, 2008

> ..... Last dose of T3 is at 2 p.m., iron at 10 p.m. Still

>binds serum wise. After about 3 days on it my hair starts to shed

>heavily as I go toward hypo.

Val just said earlier today that you need more T3 at night to repair

and heal. Maybe you need to take the iron in the AM and more of the T3

later.

Dorothy

December 22, 2008

> Does anyone get the air hunger part?

I never had the air hunger till my RT3 got to be a big problem. It

goes away when I take T3. Also, if I am low on HC that will sometimes

help. I assume it is helping my body utilize the T3.

Dorothy

December 22, 2008

Oh my, is that why I'm even more tired? I take my last dose of armour at 4 - 5

pm, then I

take iron with or after dinner at 7-10 pm. I am a slow metabolizer, now I'm

wondering if

between the reduced dose and taking the iron is why I'm SO tired. Maybe I need

to make

sure I take armour by 4, then take iron right before bed. My noon cortisol

reading was

very high, so that is why I am tentative about starting HC. I am definitely

backed into a

corner, reduced armour, can't raise, hypo. My next step is probably new saliva

labs, and a

ferritin count to see how I'm doing. BTW, how was your hemaglobin count, mine

was

higher in range. A little concerned that that will go above range...

I will definitely look into the Repliva. Also, have been wondering about

putting what I

would pay for a new doctor visit into the cytomel itself (if I can talk the

current doc into

scripting it). Of course, after ferritin is ok and adrenals stable (a tall

order). I am worried I

am in for a bumpy ride, and I have teenagers, a high schooler and college

student

attending college in town. And my husband has a demanding day job and works some

at

night. So I'm not at a place where I can be out of commission. Even though I'm

not great

right now, I'm functional (from noon on anyway).

Are you really in Atlanta? I am in South Carolina, about 4 hours from Atlanta,

and my

insurance is good in Georgia. Do you have a doctor helping with this that you

like?

Thanks for all of your help!

>

> Repliva is different. Not sure if it would bother your stomach or

> not. I am getting ready to start dosing iron again and will take one

> every 5 days or so. Unfortunately I have noticed that script iron

> (all iron) binds my thyroid hormone even when I take it at night well

> away from thyroid dosing. I go hypo and start up with the air hunger

> thing. So I take a dose and then wait till it absorbs. Take it with

> 1000 mg C and l-lysine. My last ferritin was 81, but have wanted to

> build it to 100 so I have sinking room.

>

> Um, think was ferritin was in the 70's when I moved to T3. Iron can

> be very difficult to take for many which is why the script can be

> great. Chromagen took much longer to build with than the Repliva.

> It's worth it to bite the bullet and build ferritin as fast as you can

> tolerate. imho.

>

> So sorry for your setback. Whenever I have a setback with thyroid,

> with having to lower or when I went hyper, it always sets my adrenals

> back. Right now I am in a significant setback from having been hyper/

> low HC for 4 weeks. Drained my adrenals right down. Supporting with

> as much HC as it takes and raising T3 back up is my solution. Low HC

> gave me a high heart rate, higher bp and pounding. Recently when I

> raised HC from 15 to 20 mg heart rate lowered, bp went back down and

> pounding stopped. Now I can tolerate a thyroid raise again. And then

> the tiredness leaves......

>

> Starting HC will help with tolerating your T3 and allowing RT3 to clear.

>

> No, my temps were never stable before I started thyroid because I

> started thyroid first. If I only knew it would have saved time and

> heartache.

>

> AG

> > Thanks AG!

> >

> > I tried Chromagen, bad GI troubles. Is Repliva like Chromagen? My

> > ferritin was 46. Any idea what your ferritin was at when you moved to

> > T3? I am taking Advanced Ferochel, 54 mg. a day, that is all I can

> > handle but I am thrilled to be able to take it, tried a few kinds

> > before it and had a lot of trouble with them.

> >

> > I had high and low cortisol with saliva labs in July. Probably going

> > to get new saliva labs, have had an illness and fair amount of stress

> > since July. I had to lower my armour 1/2 grain after the illness to

> > get my heart to stop racing... it helped, but has left me tired and

> > unable to raise back.

> >

> > Labs after the saliva (August??) had me with high free T3 and high

> > RT3. Was hoping that maybe starting HC would take care of the RT3,

> > but it looks like maybe that won't help.

> >

> > Were your temps stable on HC before you started T3? My temps are not

> > stable right now.

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

>

December 23, 2008

I bit the bullet and took a week of Repliva a couple of months ago. It built ferritin from 62 to 80 with 7 doses. Last night I took a dose of Repliva with 1000 Ester C right before bed. My plan is to take it once a week, or perhaps every 5 days. It won't build in my blood like this and create a T3 binding issue. Plus I won't deal with the excess hair loss either. Because I'm a ferritin bleeder I don't feel secure with a ferritin of 80. I'll take about 10 doses of Repliva and then test. Ought to get me just over that 100 mark.Also, for me, low cortisol causes significant shedding. Plus some scalp pain. AGwow, so what are you going to do for iron? Im always losing hair, so Id never know..and always hypo. mt ferritin is only 58...against docs orders, Im staying on it!

December 23, 2008

Good suggestion Dorothy, thank you. I simply can't sleep with taking T3 past 2 p.m. Have tried numerous times to take T3 at night. Simply can't. Can't take HC at night either. Gotta take the iron on an empty stomach..... etc..... because my ferritin is up now and I only need maintenance doses, I think the sporadic p.m. dose I'll survive.AG> ..... Last dose of T3 is at 2 p.m., iron at 10 p.m. Still>binds serum wise. After about 3 days on it my hair starts to shed>heavily as I go toward hypo. Val just said earlier today that you need more T3 at night to repairand heal. Maybe you need to take the iron in the AM and more of the T3later.Dorothy

December 23, 2008

..... with a high noon cortisol, have you thought about just taking HC first thing in the morning? My bet is that it would give you a needed boost. This is when we need the cortisol peak. My hemo was average. Hate to advocate sneakiness...... but, sometimes the simplest way to lead an uneducated doc toward cytomel is to tell them you tried armour, synth, lev, etc., and you have an allergy to them..... itch like hell, whatever. And in some ways you are not far from the truth with an RT3 issue. Take a script, just don't get them filled. You gotta out fox some of them. Work them. If you are functional now, it's doubtful your next moves will render you out of commish. Adding things slowly and taking your time is the way to go. I made all the early mistakes with trading armour for T3. Had the second highest RT3 the doc said he had ever seen in all his years. Tried to keep 1 1/2 grains of armour on board as I increased T3. Whopper of a mistake. Went too high on T3 without the proper adrenal support, missing the warning signs entirely...... Yes, I am really in Atlanta. It's nice that you are so close to be able to access the docs. You might want to join the GA thyroid board. There is a list of docs and ongoing discussion concerning them. Recently I started to look for a doc here as mine for thy/adr is in Texas. He's a 'boutique' anti-aging doc. Nothing is covered by insurance so I limit my contact with him. He provides the scripts. Very cooperative. I have a great GYN here that provides testing and sex hormone scripts. And then I consult on the phone with Dr. Lowe. My family doc allows me various scripts such as script iron and testing. The big thing with finding a thy/adr doc is one who gets adrenals. There was one here in Atl. I was keeping my eye on until a prior patient of his told him to wean off his HC every 4-5 days. He went on to say that if he had followed this advice is would have killed him. Cross that doc off the list. You're welcome!!!AGOh my, is that why I'm even more tired? I take my last dose of armour at 4 - 5 pm, then I take iron with or after dinner at 7-10 pm. I am a slow metabolizer, now I'm wondering if between the reduced dose and taking the iron is why I'm SO tired. Maybe I need to make sure I take armour by 4, then take iron right before bed. My noon cortisol reading was very high, so that is why I am tentative about starting HC. I am definitely backed into a corner, reduced armour, can't raise, hypo. My next step is probably new saliva labs, and a ferritin count to see how I'm doing. BTW, how was your hemaglobin count, mine was higher in range. A little concerned that that will go above range...I will definitely look into the Repliva. Also, have been wondering about putting what I would pay for a new doctor visit into the cytomel itself (if I can talk the current doc into scripting it). Of course, after ferritin is ok and adrenals stable (a tall order). I am worried I am in for a bumpy ride, and I have teenagers, a high schooler and college student attending college in town. And my husband has a demanding day job and works some at night. So I'm not at a place where I can be out of commission. Even though I'm not great right now, I'm functional (from noon on anyway).Are you really in Atlanta? I am in South Carolina, about 4 hours from Atlanta, and my insurance is good in Georgia. Do you have a doctor helping with this that you like?Thanks for all of your help!

December 23, 2008

AG,

I am on that list, and am anxiously awaiting their recommendations! I

am with you, a great doc that can treat me correctly would be the

greatest Christmas present!

I found this doc. on Shomon's list, top docs on the

thyroid-about.com list. Her name is Dr. Diehl. She is in Traveler's

Rest, near Greenville, SC. You are closer to her than I am. If you

wouldn't mind, take a look and let me know what you think.

I have this worry that something else un-thyroid could be going on.

Another board I am on, one of the moderators had energy issues, right

now he is recovering from bypass surgery, that was the cause of his

problem. Dr. Diehl looks like quite the sleuth, I would feel much

better to be thoroughly examined to know that I am headed in the right

direction for health.

>

> ..... with a high noon cortisol, have you thought about just

> taking HC first thing in the morning? My bet is that it would give

> you a needed boost. This is when we need the cortisol peak. My hemo

> was average.

>

> Hate to advocate sneakiness...... but, sometimes the simplest way to

> lead an uneducated doc toward cytomel is to tell them you tried

> armour, synth, lev, etc., and you have an allergy to them..... itch

> like hell, whatever. And in some ways you are not far from the truth

> with an RT3 issue. Take a script, just don't get them filled. You

> gotta out fox some of them. Work them. If you are functional now,

> it's doubtful your next moves will render you out of commish. Adding

> things slowly and taking your time is the way to go. I made all the

> early mistakes with trading armour for T3. Had the second highest RT3

> the doc said he had ever seen in all his years. Tried to keep 1 1/2

> grains of armour on board as I increased T3. Whopper of a mistake.

> Went too high on T3 without the proper adrenal support, missing the

> warning signs entirely......

>

> Yes, I am really in Atlanta. It's nice that you are so close to be

> able to access the docs. You might want to join the GA thyroid

> board. There is a list of docs and ongoing discussion concerning

> them. Recently I started to look for a doc here as mine for thy/adr

> is in Texas. He's a 'boutique' anti-aging doc. Nothing is covered

> by insurance so I limit my contact with him. He provides the

> scripts. Very cooperative. I have a great GYN here that provides

> testing and sex hormone scripts. And then I consult on the phone with

> Dr. Lowe. My family doc allows me various scripts such as script iron

> and testing. The big thing with finding a thy/adr doc is one who gets

> adrenals. There was one here in Atl. I was keeping my eye on until a

> prior patient of his told him to wean off his HC every 4-5 days. He

> went on to say that if he had followed this advice is would have

> killed him. Cross that doc off the list.

>

> You're welcome!!!

> AG

>

> Oh my, is that why I'm even more tired? I take my last dose of armour

> at 4 - 5 pm, then I

> take iron with or after dinner at 7-10 pm. I am a slow metabolizer,

> now I'm wondering if

> between the reduced dose and taking the iron is why I'm SO tired.

> Maybe I need to make

> sure I take armour by 4, then take iron right before bed. My noon

> cortisol reading was

> very high, so that is why I am tentative about starting HC. I am

> definitely backed into a

> corner, reduced armour, can't raise, hypo. My next step is probably

> new saliva labs, and a

> ferritin count to see how I'm doing. BTW, how was your hemaglobin

> count, mine was

> higher in range. A little concerned that that will go above range...

>

> I will definitely look into the Repliva. Also, have been wondering

> about putting what I

> would pay for a new doctor visit into the cytomel itself (if I can

> talk the current doc into

> scripting it). Of course, after ferritin is ok and adrenals stable (a

> tall order). I am worried I

> am in for a bumpy ride, and I have teenagers, a high schooler and

> college student

> attending college in town. And my husband has a demanding day job and

> works some at

> night. So I'm not at a place where I can be out of commission. Even

> though I'm not great

> right now, I'm functional (from noon on anyway).

>

> Are you really in Atlanta? I am in South Carolina, about 4 hours from

> Atlanta, and my

> insurance is good in Georgia. Do you have a doctor helping with this

> that you like?

>

> Thanks for all of your help!

>

December 23, 2008

> See this is hard to understand because Val said that t3 does not

make it hard to sleep...so it means your adrenals are reacting funny

to the t3 right?

Its not that they are acting funny, they are not keeping up,

struggling. You need cortisol to get the T3 into the cell. More T3

uses more cortisol and that means less cortisol to do the other things

it needs to do because your levels have dropped. That's how I

understand it anyway.

Dorothy

December 23, 2008

> See this is hard to understand because Val said that t3 does not

make it hard to sleep...so it means your adrenals are reacting funny

to the t3 right?

Its not that they are acting funny, they are not keeping up,

struggling. You need cortisol to get the T3 into the cell. More T3

uses more cortisol and that means less cortisol to do the other things

it needs to do because your levels have dropped. That's how I

understand it anyway.

Dorothy

December 23, 2008

I am glad you have been talking about this. I am agreeing 100%. I

have been taking more T3 at bedtime and a little more when I wake up

at night, I have been feeling stronger. I take a little HC with it.

Dorothy

> I can tell you this I can take 50mcg T5 AT BEDTIME and sleep liek a

> rock, but I usually took that with a bedtime 5mg HC. I am back

adding in

> some T3 to my Armour and I take ti first thing inthe Am and again at

> bedtime. It is the onyl way I wake up feeling semi fgood ionthe mrnings

> otherwise I feel drained and PAINFUL in the morning.

December 24, 2008

Would you mind sharing some info about the Dr that you use in Texas?

Where is he & what is his name? Do you like the care that you receive?

Thanks

Gale