Re: Re: Calcium for your boys

[Guest guest]

:  I could not find a study to answer your question, though I think the

answer is yes.  I did find this: 

What Calcium Does

During childhood and adolescence, the body uses the mineral calcium to build

strong bones — a process that's all but complete by the end of the teen years.

Bone calcium begins to decrease in young adulthood and progressive loss of bone

occurs as we age, particularly in women.

Teens, especially girls, whose diets don't provide the nutrients to build bones

to their maximum potential are at greater risk of developing the bone disease

osteoporosis, which increases the risk of fractures from weakened bones.

Calcium plays an important role in muscle contraction, transmitting messages

through the nerves, and the release of hormones. If blood calcium levels are low

(due to poor calcium intake), calcium is taken from the bones to ensure normal

cell function.

When kids get enough calcium and physical activity during childhood and the teen

years, they can start out their adult lives with the strongest bones possible.

Although there isn't definite scientific proof yet that taking in these amounts

of calcium will result in stronger bones when kids grow up, the current

recommendations are:

1 to 3 years — 500 milligrams of calcium daily

4 to 8 years — 800 milligrams

9 to 18 years — 1,300 milligrams

Good Sources of Calcium

Of course, milk and other dairy products are good sources of calcium. And milk

and some other dairy products contain added vitamin D, which is also important

for bone health.

But don't overlook the many other healthy calcium-fortified foods, including

orange juice, soy products, and bread. Here are some dairy and nondairy products

that boast quite a bit of this vital nutrient:

Serving Size

Food or Beverage

Calcium

8 ounces (237 milliliters)

milk

300 milligrams

8 ounces (237 milliliters)

calcium-fortified orange juice

300 milligrams

2 ounces (57 grams)

American cheese

300 milligrams

1½ ounces (43 grams)

cheddar cheese

300 milligrams

4 ounces (113 grams)

tofu made with calcium

260 milligrams

6 ounces (177 milliliters)

yogurt

225 milligrams

½ cup (118 milliliters)

collard greens

(cooked from frozen)

178 milligrams

4 ounces (113 grams)

ice cream, soft serve

120 milligrams

½ cup (118 milliliters)

white beans

110 milligrams

1 ounce (28 grams)

almonds

80 milligrams

½ cup (118 milliliters)

bok choy

80 milligrams

½ cup (118 milliliters)

rhubarb, cooked

75 milligrams

4 ounces (113 grams)

cottage cheese

70 milligrams

½ cup (118 milliliters)

red beans

40 milligrams

½ cup (118 milliliters)

broccoli, cooked

35 milligrams

I have lots of kids on Kirkman's Supernuthera Everyday Companion, which gives

them 750mg of calcium and other nutrients per 3/4 tsp of powder mixed in water

or dilute pear juice, and it is not hard to take for most.  This does not have

any Vit D in it now, but I am recommending all our kids have a  blood test for

vit D when they get blood drawn for anything else to find their level, and try

to get them up to 50-60ng/ml.  In the meantime, I am recommending they all be

given 2000iu daily of vit D and dark-skinned kids 3000iu and 4000iu in the

winter where they don't get a lot of sun.  Dr. JM

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> From Journal Autism Developmental Disorders 2008 May;38(5):848- 56.

>

> Reduced bone cortical thickness in boys with autism or autism

spectrum disorder.

> Hediger ML, England LJ, Molloy CA, Yu KF, Manning- P, Mills

JL.

> Division-of Epidemiology, Statistics and Prevention Research,

National Institute of Child Health and Human Development, National

Institutes of Health, Department of Health and Human Services,

Bethesda, MD 20892-7510, USA. hedigerm@...

>

> Bone development, casein-free diet use, supplements, and

medications were assessed for 75 boys with autism or autism spectrum

disorder, ages 4-8 years. Second metacarpal bone cortical thickness

(BCT), measured on hand-wrist radiographs, and % deviations in BCT

from reference medians were derived. BCT increased with age, but %

deviations evidenced a progressive fall-off (p = .02): +3.1 +/-

4.7%, -6.5 +/- 4.0%, -16.6 +/- 3.4%, -19.4 +/- 3.7%,-24.1 +/- 4.4%,

at ages 4-8, respectively, adjusting for height. The 12% of the boys

on casein-free diets had an overall % deviation of -18.9 +/- 3.7%,

nearly twice that of boys on minimally restricted or unrestricted

diets (-10.5 +/- 1.3%, p < .04), although even for boys on minimally

restricted or unrestricted diets the % deviation was highly

significant (p < .001). Our data suggest that the bone development of

autistic boys should be monitored as part of routine care, especially

if they are on casein-free diets.

>

> PMID: 17879151 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

>

[Guest guest]

I used to supplement with calcium, but I read that too much calcium in

the bloodstream at once results in lower absorption. Do you believe that

to be true?

JAQUELYN MCCANDLESS wrote:

> : I could not find a study to answer your question, though I think the

answer is yes. I did find this:

> What Calcium Does

> During childhood and adolescence, the body uses the mineral calcium to build

strong bones — a process that's all but complete by the end of the teen years.

Bone calcium begins to decrease in young adulthood and progressive loss of bone

occurs as we age, particularly in women.

> Teens, especially girls, whose diets don't provide the nutrients to build

bones to their maximum potential are at greater risk of developing the bone

disease osteoporosis, which increases the risk of fractures from weakened bones.

> Calcium plays an important role in muscle contraction, transmitting messages

through the nerves, and the release of hormones. If blood calcium levels are low

(due to poor calcium intake), calcium is taken from the bones to ensure normal

cell function.

> When kids get enough calcium and physical activity during childhood and the

teen years, they can start out their adult lives with the strongest bones

possible. Although there isn't definite scientific proof yet that taking in

these amounts of calcium will result in stronger bones when kids grow up, the

current recommendations are:

>

> 1 to 3 years — 500 milligrams of calcium daily

> 4 to 8 years — 800 milligrams

> 9 to 18 years — 1,300 milligrams

> Good Sources of Calcium

> Of course, milk and other dairy products are good sources of calcium. And milk

and some other dairy products contain added vitamin D, which is also important

for bone health.

> But don't overlook the many other healthy calcium-fortified foods, including

orange juice, soy products, and bread. Here are some dairy and nondairy products

that boast quite a bit of this vital nutrient:

>

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>

> Serving Size

> Food or Beverage

> Calcium

>

> 8 ounces (237 milliliters)

> milk

> 300 milligrams

>

> 8 ounces (237 milliliters)

> calcium-fortified orange juice

> 300 milligrams

>

> 2 ounces (57 grams)

> American cheese

> 300 milligrams

>

> 1½ ounces (43 grams)

> cheddar cheese

> 300 milligrams

>

> 4 ounces (113 grams)

> tofu made with calcium

> 260 milligrams

>

> 6 ounces (177 milliliters)

> yogurt

> 225 milligrams

>

> ½ cup (118 milliliters)

> collard greens

> (cooked from frozen)

> 178 milligrams

>

> 4 ounces (113 grams)

> ice cream, soft serve

> 120 milligrams

>

> ½ cup (118 milliliters)

> white beans

> 110 milligrams

>

> 1 ounce (28 grams)

> almonds

> 80 milligrams

>

> ½ cup (118 milliliters)

> bok choy

> 80 milligrams

>

> ½ cup (118 milliliters)

> rhubarb, cooked

> 75 milligrams

>

> 4 ounces (113 grams)

> cottage cheese

> 70 milligrams

>

> ½ cup (118 milliliters)

> red beans

> 40 milligrams

>

> ½ cup (118 milliliters)

> broccoli, cooked

> 35 milligrams

> I have lots of kids on Kirkman's Supernuthera Everyday Companion, which gives

them 750mg of calcium and other nutrients per 3/4 tsp of powder mixed in water

or dilute pear juice, and it is not hard to take for most. This does not have

any Vit D in it now, but I am recommending all our kids have a blood test for

vit D when they get blood drawn for anything else to find their level, and try

to get them up to 50-60ng/ml. In the meantime, I am recommending they all be

given 2000iu daily of vit D and dark-skinned kids 3000iu and 4000iu in the

winter where they don't get a lot of sun. Dr. JM

>

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>> From Journal Autism Developmental Disorders 2008 May;38(5):848- 56.

>>

>> Reduced bone cortical thickness in boys with autism or autism

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> spectrum disorder.

>

>> Hediger ML, England LJ, Molloy CA, Yu KF, Manning- P, Mills

>>

> JL.

>

>> Division-of Epidemiology, Statistics and Prevention Research,

>>

> National Institute of Child Health and Human Development, National

> Institutes of Health, Department of Health and Human Services,

> Bethesda, MD 20892-7510, USA. hedigerm@...

>

>> Bone development, casein-free diet use, supplements, and

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> medications were assessed for 75 boys with autism or autism spectrum

> disorder, ages 4-8 years. Second metacarpal bone cortical thickness

> (BCT), measured on hand-wrist radiographs, and % deviations in BCT

> from reference medians were derived. BCT increased with age, but %

> deviations evidenced a progressive fall-off (p = .02): +3.1 +/-

> 4.7%, -6.5 +/- 4.0%, -16.6 +/- 3.4%, -19.4 +/- 3.7%,-24.1 +/- 4.4%,

> at ages 4-8, respectively, adjusting for height. The 12% of the boys

> on casein-free diets had an overall % deviation of -18.9 +/- 3.7%,

> nearly twice that of boys on minimally restricted or unrestricted

> diets (-10.5 +/- 1.3%, p < .04), although even for boys on minimally

> restricted or unrestricted diets the % deviation was highly

> significant (p < .001). Our data suggest that the bone development of

> autistic boys should be monitored as part of routine care, especially

> if they are on casein-free diets.

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[Guest guest]

In the beginning of all the Vit D information rush about 2 yrs ago, I received

some rather strident material from the Marshall Protocol advocates, concerned

that I was advocating clients take higher doses of Vit D.  I tried to understand

their theory; if I recall they thought that the illness caused the low levels

rather than that the low levels caused the illness because of the hormonal

aspects.  However, so much more info has come in from all over the world, with

at least 40 studies and articles about the importance of the use of this

nutrient in adequate levels, being inundated with study after study showing the

benefit of adequate Vit D and the disastrous effects of deficiencies, and I have

not heard much about the Marshall Protocol lately.  Still, many admit there is

still much we do not understand about the dynamics of Vit D, and I don't doubt

there will be more things discovered that will continue to shed light on the

subject.  I wonder if

the fact that this has affected both of you would point to some genetic glitch

that is operating?  Is your boy on LDN?  We have had a lot of benefit for

psoriasis with this medication along with many other autoimmune conditions.  I

think I would certainly stop the D and see if you note any improvement in your

conditions, as the last word may not be in on this subject.  Dr. JM

Subject: Re: Calcium for your boys

To: csb-autism-rx

Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 3:48 PM

Dr. McCandless,

I've heard about the Marshall Protocol which eliminates vitamin D all

together. The theory is that some chronic disease (including asd) is

caused by cell wall deficient bacteria which (I think)cause the

metabolism of vitamin D to turn into a toxic metabolite, without

which healing can occur. Have you heard of this in treating asd?

I ask because I believe my son's psoriasis has gotten worse and so

has my arthritic finger since we added more vitamin D to our

protocols.

Thank you! a H.

> >

> > From Journal Autism Developmental Disorders 2008 May;38(5):848-

56.

> >

> > Reduced bone cortical thickness in boys with autism or autism

> spectrum disorder.

> > Hediger ML, England LJ, Molloy CA, Yu KF, Manning- P,

Mills

> JL.

> > Division-of Epidemiology, Statistics and Prevention Research,

> National Institute of Child Health and Human Development, National

> Institutes of Health, Department of Health and Human Services,

> Bethesda, MD 20892-7510, USA. hedigerm@

> >

> > Bone development, casein-free diet use, supplements, and

> medications were assessed for 75 boys with autism or autism

spectrum

> disorder, ages 4-8 years. Second metacarpal bone cortical thickness

> (BCT), measured on hand-wrist radiographs, and % deviations in BCT

> from reference medians were derived. BCT increased with age, but %

> deviations evidenced a progressive fall-off (p = .02): +3.1 +/-

> 4.7%, -6.5 +/- 4.0%, -16.6 +/- 3.4%, -19.4 +/- 3.7%,-24.1 +/- 4.4%,

> at ages 4-8, respectively, adjusting for height. The 12% of the

boys

> on casein-free diets had an overall % deviation of -18.9 +/- 3.7%,

> nearly twice that of boys on minimally restricted or unrestricted

> diets (-10.5 +/- 1.3%, p < .04), although even for boys on

minimally

> restricted or unrestricted diets the % deviation was highly

> significant (p < .001). Our data suggest that the bone development

of

> autistic boys should be monitored as part of routine care,

especially

> if they are on casein-free diets.

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