Re: Re: What could have.....

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In a message dated 11/13/2000 7:18:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,

cawprhyd@... writes:

<< How many servings of carbs does

everyone have per day? >>

I eat around 30 grams a day, per Bernstein, and am on no insulin or blood

sugar lowering medications.

Meniowl@...

type2,dx7/99, low-carbs

(last A1c 5.0) Normal range 4.8-6.0

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Tonya wrote:

<< he always washes them before testing and then uses the alcohol swab. >>

Soap and warm water are best. It cleans the area, as well as improves blood

circulation, making it easier to extract the required amount of blood.

Alcohol dries the skin too much.

Susie

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Tonya wrote:

<< I guess those bagged salad mixes aren't too good for him, then are they?

The one I've been buying has carrots and stuff in it. Interesting how they

end up with carbs after they are cooked. >>

Veggies that taste sweet (peas, corn, etc.) or that cook up sweet (carrots,

onions, peppers) tend to be carby. Root crops (potatoes, parsnips, etc.)

tend to be carby. Salads are healthy and provide lots of desirable fiber. If

it is your desire to keep your husband in ketosis, salads and cooked veggies

may be too carby to suit your goals. Not all of us eat at a ketogenic level

(generally 20-40 grams of carbs per day). I eat more like 100 grams and am

in ketosis only some of the time. If you want to keep him in ketosis, you

can provide him the necessary fiber by grinding up flaxseed every few days

and storing in in a tightly-sealed container in the fridge, or giving him

unsweetened psyllium husk (the stuff Metamucil is made from, but leave the

sweetener out).

Is it possible your hubby is popping the occasional french fry while working

at Mc's? If his numbers don't get in the 100 range very soon, injected

insulin might be just the thing to normalize him.

Susie

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That's a lovely quote you used for your signature, Mimi. Years ago, folks

called it " sugar diabetes " and many thought that good control was just a

matter of avoiding sugar. And that became much easier with the advent of

artificial sweeteners, the latest and best being Splenda. But with more

widespread testing in recent years and more accurate home meters, folks soon

learned that all carbohydrates had the capacity to raise our glucose levels,

to a greater or lesser degree. So the ADA, instead of recommend that we be

careful about all carbohydrate intake, wants to make itself popular with

diabetics and tells us that essentially we can live like and eat like

everyone else! They even feature very high-carb recipes in their consumer

magazine (which, not surprisingly, is over half commercial ads). Their

message is - eat everything you like. Don't deprive yourself. And all you

have to do is spend spend spend on all these test strips and insulin and

pills and fancy gizmos offered in the pages of our magazine! It's just so

much easier to watch our carbohydrate intake than that other approach that

we get sort of steamed about this issue. That Wilford Brimley diabetes ad?

All he says is, " Test test test ... then test some more! " When that ad comes

on, I yell at it: " Spend spend spend ... then spend some more! " Some of us

don't have medical insurance and aren't made of money. If for no other

reason than cost, I wish the ADA would take a different approach. But then

only diabetics would benefit ... not Eli Lilly and the drug manufacturers

and test strip marketers. When they did the UKPDS and the DCCT, they didn't

focus on diet at all. The subjects were eating basically the Food Pyramid,

which contains approx. 300 grams of carbohydrates, including

highly-processed grains (wheat flour is roughly 80% carbs) which are the

most problemmatic foods for many of us with ailing pancreases.

It seems to take an intake of only 20-40 grams of carbs in order for many

people to get into benign dietary ketosis (optimal fat-burning mode). I eat

more like 100 grams, focusing on salads and the less carby among the

vegetables, such as green beans, cauliflower and broccoli, as well as

endless salads. I eat my veggies raw when possible, or just lightly steamed.

Oriental stir fry is an excellent food choice for people with glucose

problems. I choose low-fat cheeses and the leanest cuts of meat.

Susie

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Mimi Dionne, inventor of the world-famous Dionne Udder Cream (just kidding

.... a coincidence though, since we're discussing it in the group), wrote:

<< I also have mono at the moment, so my sugars are running high. >>

I wanted to alert you that there is some thinking that exposure to mono

(infectious mononucleosis is suspected of triggering rheumatoid arthritis

and perhaps other autoimmune disorders. You might want to be on the alert

over the next 10-15 years for early signs of impending trouble. (Most people

are in fact exposed to mono early in life and never even realize it. But

they have the antibodies, indicating exposure.)

Susie

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<< They showed it..

even down to the sawing through the bone audio, and then the picture of

the stump being cauterized.

It makes you think about rethinking your control. >>

Yikes! I hope you weren't trying to enjoy your dinner while watching.

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In a message dated 00-11-14 19:25:41 EST, you write:

<<

Interesting about the maggots. More and more, surgeons are using maggots and

leeches to clean up messy wounds. But in this patient's case, the maggots

were free-living. Their previous pit stop may have been a pile of poop,

rotten food, or another person's infected wound. >>

Susie, are you sure about the maggots? I know that leeches are used in

certain cases (these are especially medically raised!) but I didn't know

about maggots. Hope you're mistaken here! Vicki

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<< but I didn't know

about maggots. Hope you're mistaken here! >>

I saw this on tv. Some guy up in Wisconsin raises the maggots so they are

completely sterile. The great thing about them is they will only eat decayed

tissue, never the healthy stuff. Sounds like something out of the X files, eh?

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" Susie M. " wrote:

>

> Vicki replied to :

>

> << Actually I think we did try a poll once but the response was so dismal

> that it really wasn't representative. Maybe we should try again? >>

>

> For me, it was never the sheer numbers who figured out the benefits of

> lowering carbohydrate intake ... it was their results. I've never been one

> to follow the crowd ... but when a brave few dived in ahead of me, and were

> able to demonstrate an amazing improvement in their overall health via

> weight loss, lower blood pressure, higher HDL, lower LDL, lower

> triglycerides, and a normalization of their glucose and HbA1c, I joined the

> pioneers. I have seen so many " diabetes miracles " that I would have to be

> mule-headed indeed not to do likewise. Do we care whether 50% or 5% of our

> group or any other group is living or eating exactly like we do? What we

> care about is living long, healthy lives - and helping our fellow diabetics

> do likewise.

>

> For years, I thought I was " doing something wrong " ... " unhealthy " ... I

> didn't know I was diabetic. When I was finally diagnosed, I felt doomed. I

> figured I was going to follow the old dreary path I had heard about ... get

> sicker and sicker, use more pills and more insulin ... go blind, get a foot

> or two cut off, then die. To make matters worse, I had no health insurance,

> or husband to console me in that awful, lonely time.

>

> We have no control over other people. All we can do is share our success

> stories with others, and hope they are brave and open-minded enough to trust

> our sincerity.

>

There's a program called " Code 4 " on TLC which we watched last night. A

woman was brought into the ER with the front 1/2 of her foot 'blackened'

and with maggots in lesions. They showed it fully. She was in total

denial saying that she was ok, and that her foot would get better soon.

They finally convinced her that she needed amputation. They showed it..

even down to the sawing through the bone audio, and then the picture of

the stump being cauterized.

It makes you think about rethinking your control.

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" Susie M. " wrote:

>

> Dave O. wrote:

>

> << and with maggots in lesions >>

> Interesting about the maggots. More and more, surgeons are using maggots and

> leeches to clean up messy wounds. But in this patient's case, the maggots

> were free-living. Their previous pit stop may have been a pile of poop,

> rotten food, or another person's infected wound.

>

> Susie

No doubt about it Susie, you have a flair when it comes to emphasis.

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Dave O. wrote:

<< and with maggots in lesions >>

Wow, Dave. I didn't know they got that graphic on TV. TV is so powerful. I

hope a lot of diabetics and potential diabetics were as moved as you (and

me, when you reported the scene). Many diabetics report not taking their

control seriously until, e.g., visiting a hospital ward and seeing the

damage for themselves. You can go to http://www.altavista.com and click on

" Images " and type in gangrene and get a gruesome eyeful. Sometimes nothing

works. In the hospital, a nurse told me about my neighbor, a 23-year-old

type 1. She had already lost one foot in her teens. They wanted to remove

the other, and she wouldn't permit it, insisting she could take care of her

diabetes okay. And yet she had been admitted several times for

out-of-control numbers.

Interesting about the maggots. More and more, surgeons are using maggots and

leeches to clean up messy wounds. But in this patient's case, the maggots

were free-living. Their previous pit stop may have been a pile of poop,

rotten food, or another person's infected wound.

Susie

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In Vietnam some of the POW's used maggots to self treat untreated wounds.

D.J.

Re: Re: What could have.....

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> << but I didn't know

> about maggots. Hope you're mistaken here! >>

>

> I saw this on tv. Some guy up in Wisconsin raises the maggots so they are

> completely sterile. The great thing about them is they will only eat

decayed

> tissue, never the healthy stuff. Sounds like something out of the X files,

eh?

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> Public website for Diabetes International:

> http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int

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Vicki asked:

<< Susie, are you sure about the maggots? I know that leeches are used in

certain cases (these are especially medically raised!) but I didn't know

about maggots. Hope you're mistaken here! >>

Yes, darlin' ... the maggots actually do a lovely job. I still retain a

scary memory of my first maggot sighting in a pile of cow poop in our barn

in Minnesota. But from what I've read, maggots do a very efficient job of

cleaning up the gunk in truly nasty wounds - if utilized in a sterile

hospital setting.

Susie

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I'm not Susie, but...

TLC also had a program running called " Leeches, Maggots, and Bees (oh, my)!

They showed the current medical uses for all of these. Leeches and maggots

are bread in sterile conditions, then used (leeches) to stimulate blood flow

to re-attached limbs or limbs with poor circulation (to avoid amputation);

also (maggots) to clean open wounds. The maggots are applied with a

dressing to hold them in place, and left 36-48 hours, then the dressing is

changed. The patients interviewed insisted that they felt nothing, the

clinicians said the wounds healed remarkably well. The maggots only eat

necrotic flesh, so there was no worry about losing any healthy flesh.

It's really gross to look at, and personally I wouldn't let anything get

that far gone, but if it works and lets me keep my foot, bring 'em on!!

Robin G.

>From: whimsy2@...

>

>Susie, are you sure about the maggots? I know that leeches are used in

>certain cases (these are especially medically raised!) but I didn't know

>about maggots. Hope you're mistaken here! Vicki

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Robin wrote:

<< It's really gross to look at, and personally I wouldn't let anything get

that far gone, but if it works and lets me keep my foot, bring 'em on!! >>

I saw a show where they reattached a guy's ear using leeches, and it healed

beautifully.

Susie