RE: Foods and diet

[Guest guest]

<< but there are just some foods that i cannot give up totally, ie fruit,

pasta, bread, rice and root veggies like potatoes. I've given up a lot,

and am running in the 161 - 225 range this week, i saw my dr tonight and

she

put me on glucophage, 500 mg every day increasing to 500 twice a day after

a

week.... >>

I was recently diagnosed with diabetes and I know also what a big change in

lifestyle

it is. Specific exercise regimen, a fairly restricted diet though you can

get foods you

like in moderation and sometimes medication. I strongly suggest you meet

with

a diabetic dietician or a dietician recommended by a diabetes educator or

your physician.

I met with my doctor and the diabetic educator, who also has diabetes type I

(I have type II),

and went to see the dietician they recommended. I'm counting carbs and am

on a 2,000

calorie a day diet in order to lose some weight to attain the optimum weight

of 225. I'm at

237 now and am losing 1-2 pounds per week. When you get diabetes the food

groups change

I found out. Potatoes, corn, peas and beans go into the starch group rather

than be counted

as vegetables for example. My dietician gave me a lot of material

explaining this and how

the body now works with the food in relationship to having diabetes.

Without making adjustments to your diet and your exercise pattern you are

risking your

life and limb literally.

Spyder

spyder@...

[Guest guest]

<< but there are just some foods that i cannot give up totally, ie fruit,

pasta, bread, rice and root veggies like potatoes. I've given up a lot,

and am running in the 161 - 225 range this week, >>

***Sounds like you are trading your health in order to keep eating the carbs

you like.

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[Guest guest]

<< Without making adjustments to your diet and your

exercise pattern you are

risking your life and limb literally >>

Hmmm i have made TONS of adjustments to my diet.... i've gone from eating 15

servings of carbohydrates a day (recommended by 2 dieticians) to eating 2 -3

servings of carbohydrates a day.... 30 - 45 grams of carbo's)

I have been exercising, often walking for 2-3 hrs total (Christmas Shopping)

I have not been eating any sweets or junk food, obviously my insulin

resistance is way up there, or i would not still be running in the 161 - 250

range....

I am not trying to have my cake and eat it too (unless i have a very low carb

one) <G>

I resent being told things like that if only i'd choose my health instead of

momentary happiness. (food) and things like i'm risking life and limb, I'm

making changes and you a lot of you are still down on me... <geesh> I'm soo

glad this is a support group

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/20/00 11:03:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,

spyder@... writes:

<< Do you have a cold or anything? That might be keeping your bg up at

161-250. My neighbor also

has type 2 diabetes and she is being worked with to lower her bg from its

consistent level of 122 to the normal

and safe range of 70-110. >>

I have sinus type infection symptoms, post nasal drip, and mild sinus type

headaches, my dr said that its probably viral, and not bacterial, after

examining me on Tues.

I drink 2 liters or more a day of Clear American, sodium and calorie free

flavored carbonated water. Both the diabetic educator and dr have said that

is fine.

I was diagnosed in November and i was put on Glucophage in Dec due to not

getting the levels down a lot, and having very high am levels, fasting. I am

stressed because of this, and the dr also feels that putting me on the meds,

may lower my bg and therefore my stress levels the Glucophage works on

the liver to get it to stop releaseing such high glucose levels, so that i

can try to compinsate for the food i'm eating and exercise, but i could not

compte with the liver and deal with the excess glucose also.

I see the diabetic educator again the beginning of Jan, and i see the dr

again on the 17th of Jan.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/20/00 9:52:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,

ottercritter@... writes:

<< It could possibly just be a communications problem, . Maybe you can

clarify for us? Has your back suddenly improved dramatically? Did you have a

change of heart about carbohydrate intake? Are you now able to prepare

meals? What you perceive as lack of support is, I believe, just the rest of

us being baffled by the seeming inconsistencies. >>

Hmmm perhaps some of you did not get one post... the aol/egroups problems

seem to be still ongoing.

I did the non low carb eating for a few weeks to demonstrate to me, and my dr

and the diabetic educatore about the inability to lower my bg on the carbs at

15, and then i tried systematically to lower my carbs daily or every 2 days

till i'm where i'm at now with 2-3 (15 gram carb foods a day) (usually)

My blood sugars did drop some, a couple weeks ago, i was running in the 200 -

275 range, now i'm 161 - 250 range. This is an improvement but this is the

lowest i'm getting while eating only 30 - 45 g of carb (measured)

My back pain is not great when i wake up, so Breakfast or the first meal i

eat needs to not be complex, and not cooked most of the time.

I am in pain when i stand and cook for a long time, but i can fix stuff that

takes 5-15 min to prep and then goes in the oven or microwave or something.

I'm trying to cook more and more, and eat less non cooked foods, in an effort

to lower my bg's.

I've had the sinus symptoms, and also stress, and also pain since i was

diagnosed, so perhaps that is the cause of this problem in elevated sugars, i

do not know.

[Guest guest]

Dear Spyder,

Thanks for your comments. That was well put! I think still hopes she

can wrestle the 800-pound gorilla on her terms. We find through

trial-and-error ad the sharing of experiences in online groups that the

gorilla makes up the rules.

Susie

P.S. Are you from Minot, North Dakota?

Spyder wrote:

<< Potatoes, corn, peas and beans go into the starch group rather than be

counted as vegetables ... Without making adjustments to your diet and your

exercise pattern you are

risking your life and limb literally. >>

[Guest guest]

Sometimes I feel as if there are two s in the group. One says

she cannot prepare foods because she cannot even walk downstairs because her

back is so bad, and lists several Problem Foods she eats because that is all

she can manage. And she says she can't yet forego problem foods such as root

crops, pasta, rice, bread, etc. Then writes:

<< Hmmm i have made TONS of adjustments to my diet.... i've gone from eating

15 servings of carbohydrates a day (recommended by 2 dieticians) to eating

2 -3 servings of carbohydrates a day.... 30 - 45 grams of carbo's) I have

been exercising, often walking for 2-3 hrs total (Christmas Shopping) >>

It could possibly just be a communications problem, . Maybe you can

clarify for us? Has your back suddenly improved dramatically? Did you have a

change of heart about carbohydrate intake? Are you now able to prepare

meals? What you perceive as lack of support is, I believe, just the rest of

us being baffled by the seeming inconsistencies.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Yup, Minot, N.D. Nothing like a good -60 windchill to make the day seem

nicer. 8)

Dear Spyder,

Thanks for your comments. That was well put! I think still hopes she

can wrestle the 800-pound gorilla on her terms. We find through

trial-and-error ad the sharing of experiences in online groups that the

gorilla makes up the rules.

Susie

P.S. Are you from Minot, North Dakota?

Spyder wrote:

<< Potatoes, corn, peas and beans go into the starch group rather than be

counted as vegetables ... Without making adjustments to your diet and your

exercise pattern you are

risking your life and limb literally. >>

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: You might possibly be afflicted with some sort of low grade viral

or bacterial infection. I find that when my sugars remain seriously

elevated for a period of time in spite of my glucophage, exercise and carb

reduction a bug has got me. Most commonly, sinus, throat, kidney

infections or a bad cold prove to be the culprit. When the underlying cause

is remedied, the sugars come down. Losing weight seems to be the most

effective method for me to reduce bgs- it is also the hardest for me to do,

unfortunately.

Keep plugging. I'm sure you will see some improvement soon.

Grabner

Re: RE: Foods and diet

>

> << Without making adjustments to your diet and your

> exercise pattern you are

> risking your life and limb literally >>

>

> Hmmm i have made TONS of adjustments to my diet.... i've gone from eating

15

> servings of carbohydrates a day (recommended by 2 dieticians) to eating

2 -3

> servings of carbohydrates a day.... 30 - 45 grams of carbo's)

> I have been exercising, often walking for 2-3 hrs total (Christmas

Shopping)

> I have not been eating any sweets or junk food, obviously my insulin

> resistance is way up there, or i would not still be running in the 161 -

250

> range....

> I am not trying to have my cake and eat it too (unless i have a very low

carb

> one) <G>

> I resent being told things like that if only i'd choose my health instead

of

> momentary happiness. (food) and things like i'm risking life and limb,

I'm

> making changes and you a lot of you are still down on me... <geesh> I'm

soo

> glad this is a support group

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Public website for Diabetes International:

> http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int

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[Guest guest]

Hmm, from what I've been told and have read making changes in your life to

set regular eating times,

exercise times (walking being the highest recommended since it is a

load-bearing exercise), eating foods good

for diabetics in proper amounts, having a low stress lifestyle and getting

flu shots each year as well as monitoring

blood glucose and taking medication, if any is prescribed, keep your bg

between 70 and 110 where it should be

normally. My doctor and the diabetic educator did tell me that whenever I

get sick - flu, cold, pneumonia, etc...,

my bg will increase dramatically due to my body fighting to get healthy.

Another item that was highly recommended

to me is the periodical " Diabetic Cooking " . It lists exchanges and details

on lots of different foods.

Do you have a cold or anything? That might be keeping your bg up at

161-250. My neighbor also

has type 2 diabetes and she is being worked with to lower her bg from its

consistent level of 122 to the normal

and safe range of 70-110.

I'm not trying to come down on you or cause offense but because I'm

concerned for you I am

hopefully offering helpful and insightful knowledge gleaned from medical

people, texts and internet resources.

I do recommend that you see your doctor and see if your condition warrants a

visit to the diabetic dietician

in your area and/or the diabetic educator. From my own case I know those

are high levels of glucose running around

in your blood. I just had an adjustment to my medication since my bg varies

quite a bit depending on the time

of the day. When my bg hit 142 I was instructed to drink a lot of water and

tea.

<< Without making adjustments to your diet and your

exercise pattern you are

risking your life and limb literally >>

Hmmm i have made TONS of adjustments to my diet.... i've gone from eating 15

servings of carbohydrates a day (recommended by 2 dieticians) to eating

2 -3

servings of carbohydrates a day.... 30 - 45 grams of carbo's)

I have been exercising, often walking for 2-3 hrs total (Christmas Shopping)

I have not been eating any sweets or junk food, obviously my insulin

resistance is way up there, or i would not still be running in the 161 -

250

range....

I am not trying to have my cake and eat it too (unless i have a very low

carb

one) <G>

I resent being told things like that if only i'd choose my health instead of

momentary happiness. (food) and things like i'm risking life and limb, I'm

making changes and you a lot of you are still down on me... <geesh> I'm

soo

glad this is a support group

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wrote:

<< the Glucophage works on the liver to get it to stop releaseing such high

glucose levels >>

, I want you to do a lot of reading about diabetes. The above is

gobbledygook.

Susie

[Guest guest]

's statement was perhaps a bit simplified, but isnt' it at least part of

what's said in the PDR, Susie? I think I'm missing something. I don't really

understand the meds very well.

from the PDR:

" GLUCOPHAGE is an antihyperglycemic agent which improves glucose tolerance in

type 2 diabetes subjects, lowering both basal and postprandial plasma glucose.

Its pharmacologic mechanisms of action are different from those of

sulfonylureas. GLUCOPHAGE decreases hepatic glucose production, decreases

intestinal absorption of glucose and improves insulin sensitivity (increases

peripheral glucose uptake and utilization). Unlike sulfonylureas, GLUCOPHAGE

does not produce hypoglycemia in either diabetic or nondiabetic subjects (except

in special circumstances, see PRECAUTIONS ) and does not cause hyperinsulinemia.

With metformin therapy, insulin secretion remains unchanged while fasting

insulin levels and day-long plasma insulin response may actually decrease. "

Re: RE: Foods and diet

wrote:

<< the Glucophage works on the liver to get it to stop releaseing such high

glucose levels >>

, I want you to do a lot of reading about diabetes. The above is

gobbledygook.

Susie

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[Guest guest]

wrote:

<< I did the non low carb eating for a few weeks to demonstrate to me, and

my dr and the diabetic educatore about the inability to lower my bg on the

carbs at 15, and then i tried systematically to lower my carbs daily or

every 2 days till i'm where i'm at now with 2-3 (15 gram carb foods a day)

(usually) >>

I've been on the road and missed a good four days of posts, so I apologize

for being in the dark. Heck, gal, sounds like you're coming along just fine!

)

<< My blood sugars did drop some, a couple weeks ago, i was running in the

200 - 275 range, now i'm 161 - 250 range. This is an improvement but this

is the lowest i'm getting while eating only 30 - 45 g of carb (measured) >>

Well, it often takes awhile for your body to adjust. I would give it a bit

longer. A few things to mention ... It's important to take the right

supplements. You need a good multi (Centrum Silver, e.g.), extra E,

B-complex, CitriCal, magnesium, etc. Can you share with us what you are

taking?

<< My back pain is not great when i wake up, so Breakfast or the first meal

i

eat needs to not be complex, and not cooked most of the time. >>

Many of us basically skip breakfast, but maybe have something like a big ol'

salad mid-morning. And Rob and I go out once a week for a treat: breakfast

buffet, with eggs, ham, etc.

<< I am in pain when i stand and cook for a long time, but i can fix stuff

that

takes 5-15 min to prep and then goes in the oven or microwave or something.

>>

I've been in pain since May. First I got thrown off a galloping horse. Then

a month ago I developed a new pain, and learned today from the physical

therapist that my spine has shifted and it is stretching a nerve running to

my left arm. I'm in physical therapy three times a week. But while all this

has been going on, my HbA1c has climbed over one point! Pain is a humdinger

on our glucose control!

<< I'm trying to cook more and more, and eat less non cooked foods, in an

effort to lower my bg's. >>

Raw veggies dipped in guacamole dip are a good snackie. )

<< I've had the sinus symptoms, and also stress, and also pain since i was

diagnosed, so perhaps that is the cause of this problem in elevated sugars,

i

do not know. >>

My kid sister, who was just diagnosed type 2, said her sinus probs resolved

as soon as she stopped eating grains, so I'm hopeful that yours will too.

I'm a believer that type 2 is more or less a reaction to too much grain in

our modern diet - especially highly-processed grains.

Susie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/21/2000 12:49:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,

GayRghts@... writes:

<< I've had the sinus symptoms, and also stress, and also pain since i was

diagnosed, so perhaps that is the cause of this problem in elevated sugars,

i

do not know. >>

Sounds like your meds are adding to your bg too, so if you want the benefit

of lower bg you will probably need additional meds for your dm, also even

lowering your carb intake even more. Just the way it is, either lower your

carb intake or you'll have high bg.

I don't know if you're aware or not, but it is now known, any diabetic who

maintains a bg over 126 for long periods is at a much higher risk for

complications, such as eye damage, heart attack, kidney failure, nerve

damage, then amputations.

I learned the hard way, I suffer from nerve damage in my feet, neuropathy,

actually it can occur many places in your body.

I doesn't matter whether you want to cut carbs or not, if you don't, you bg

will stay up. Coming down to the level you are now won't make any difference

as you are setting yourself up for complications.

Yes this is a support list, which means we won't tell you you're doing

something right when you're not.

the difference in carbs or no carbs is how your body accepts it, not if you

want it or don't. some can eat high carbs, moderate carbs, low carb, etc,

just depends on how your bg acts.

carol

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/21/2000 12:49:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,

GayRghts@... writes:

<< I've had the sinus symptoms, and also stress, and also pain since i was

diagnosed, so perhaps that is the cause of this problem in elevated sugars,

i

do not know. >>

Sounds like your meds are adding to your bg too, so if you want the benefit

of lower bg you will probably need additional meds for your dm, also even

lowering your carb intake even more. Just the way it is, either lower your

carb intake or you'll have high bg.

I don't know if you're aware or not, but it is now known, any diabetic who

maintains a bg over 126 for long periods is at a much higher risk for

complications, such as eye damage, heart attack, kidney failure, nerve

damage, then amputations.

I learned the hard way, I suffer from nerve damage in my feet, neuropathy,

actually it can occur many places in your body.

I doesn't matter whether you want to cut carbs or not, if you don't, you bg

will stay up. Coming down to the level you are now won't make any difference

as you are setting yourself up for complications.

Yes this is a support list, which means we won't tell you you're doing

something right when you're not.

the difference in carbs or no carbs is how your body accepts it, not if you

want it or don't. some can eat high carbs, moderate carbs, low carb, etc,

just depends on how your bg acts.

carol

[Guest guest]

Teri submitted from the PDR:

<< GLUCOPHAGE decreases hepatic glucose production, decreases intestinal

absorption of glucose and improves insulin sensitivity (increases peripheral

glucose uptake and utilization). >>

Uhh - I got egg on my face ... egg and lean ham, hold the toast and cereal!

I had believed that the liver problem with glucophage was merely that of any

med ... Our livers process everything we take in, and meds have some

powerful mojo, so they can do a number on it. Glucophage users must monitor

liver function. (My liver function went from normal to somewhat icky since

starting glucophage.)

I see that the info at RxList.com is identical to what you published from

the PDR.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Teri submitted from the PDR:

<< GLUCOPHAGE decreases hepatic glucose production, decreases intestinal

absorption of glucose and improves insulin sensitivity (increases peripheral

glucose uptake and utilization). >>

Uhh - I got egg on my face ... egg and lean ham, hold the toast and cereal!

I had believed that the liver problem with glucophage was merely that of any

med ... Our livers process everything we take in, and meds have some

powerful mojo, so they can do a number on it. Glucophage users must monitor

liver function. (My liver function went from normal to somewhat icky since

starting glucophage.)

I see that the info at RxList.com is identical to what you published from

the PDR.

Susie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/21/2000 2:58:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,

spyder@... writes:

<< Diabetes is indeed

a major lifestyle change, no one denies that. It is just how one responds

to it and reacts to it.

>>

Yes, and the feeling of well being you will have when you start to see those

numbers come down is amazing.

carol

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In a message dated 00-12-21 14:59:56 EST, you write:

<< However he refuses

to see a doctor due to fear of being diagnosed

that way. He likes a lot of food that would be off-limits if he followed a

diabetic diet, ie. he loves chocolate sundaes, fried

foods, oriental foods and gorging out at buffets. He now weighs about 368

lbs., his energy level is way down and he usually >>

Boy, Spyder, that's a tough one. Sounds like your friend suspects he may

have diabetes and is in strong denial. I don't suppose telling him if he

continues on that way without seeing a doctor he's committing slow

suicide...piece by body piece. It's not lovely, what ignored diabetes will

do...blindness, heart disease, renal failure, neuropathy, eventual

amputation...all these are just a-waiting for your friend unless he gets to a

doctor soon and changes his ways. Is there some way you can point these

things out to him in a loving way?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 00-12-21 14:59:56 EST, you write:

<< However he refuses

to see a doctor due to fear of being diagnosed

that way. He likes a lot of food that would be off-limits if he followed a

diabetic diet, ie. he loves chocolate sundaes, fried

foods, oriental foods and gorging out at buffets. He now weighs about 368

lbs., his energy level is way down and he usually >>

Boy, Spyder, that's a tough one. Sounds like your friend suspects he may

have diabetes and is in strong denial. I don't suppose telling him if he

continues on that way without seeing a doctor he's committing slow

suicide...piece by body piece. It's not lovely, what ignored diabetes will

do...blindness, heart disease, renal failure, neuropathy, eventual

amputation...all these are just a-waiting for your friend unless he gets to a

doctor soon and changes his ways. Is there some way you can point these

things out to him in a loving way?

[Guest guest]

I love Clear American and it too was recommended to me in place of soda. 8)

I like the peach particularly.

I am on glucovance to help produce enough insulin and to help the insulin to

work properly. Sounds like your infection

is what is keeping your bg at those levels. I too was diagnosed in November

and immediately put on glucovance that same

day. I just heard from my doctor yesterday afternoon and was told that

going on the diabetic diet did the most for

me. I was told that a lot of recently diagnosed diabetics have a hard time

adjusting to a new diet though. I've had to

learn to check my portions and make sure I stay within the daily limits of

each food group and check my feet daily.

Checking my feet daily is something I never did before but I'm working at

it. A friend of a friend has diabetes I found out

and he had a very hard time checking his feet and usually just ate regularly

and now he is getting one of his lower legs

amputated from the knee down due to gangrene infection. He already lost

part of that foot. I never dreamed that

he was a diabetic due to what all I saw him eat and in the amounts he ate.

A friend of mine had his bg checked since

he has all the symptoms of diabetes and after the checks, 163, 148 and 119,

it was strongly suggested and recommended

that he see a doctor since he most likely has diabetes. However he refuses

to see a doctor due to fear of being diagnosed

that way. He likes a lot of food that would be off-limits if he followed a

diabetic diet, ie. he loves chocolate sundaes, fried

foods, oriental foods and gorging out at buffets. He now weighs about 368

lbs., his energy level is way down and he usually

falls asleep after a 20 ounce Coke or a chocolate sundae. One time he

almost fell off of a chair if not for a friend having his

arm out by chance. After eating he still feels hungry as if he has not

eaten he says. He hates and refuses to drink any kind

of tea or water or diet soda or even Clear American water. It has to be

Coke, root beer or grape drink and it is nothing for

him to go through 12-24 cans a day. He is extremely thirsty almost all the

time. Does anyone have any ideas on how

he can be persuaded to at least go and see a doctor? We do have a free

clinic in our area too if that matters.

<< Do you have a cold or anything? That might be keeping your bg up at

161-250. My neighbor also

has type 2 diabetes and she is being worked with to lower her bg from its

consistent level of 122 to the normal

and safe range of 70-110. >>

I have sinus type infection symptoms, post nasal drip, and mild sinus type

headaches, my dr said that its probably viral, and not bacterial, after

examining me on Tues.

I drink 2 liters or more a day of Clear American, sodium and calorie free

flavored carbonated water. Both the diabetic educator and dr have said that

is fine.

I was diagnosed in November and i was put on Glucophage in Dec due to not

getting the levels down a lot, and having very high am levels, fasting. I

am

stressed because of this, and the dr also feels that putting me on the meds,

may lower my bg and therefore my stress levels the Glucophage works on

the liver to get it to stop releaseing such high glucose levels, so that i

can try to compinsate for the food i'm eating and exercise, but i could not

compte with the liver and deal with the excess glucose also.

I see the diabetic educator again the beginning of Jan, and i see the dr

again on the 17th of Jan.

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I love Clear American and it too was recommended to me in place of soda. 8)

I like the peach particularly.

I am on glucovance to help produce enough insulin and to help the insulin to

work properly. Sounds like your infection

is what is keeping your bg at those levels. I too was diagnosed in November

and immediately put on glucovance that same

day. I just heard from my doctor yesterday afternoon and was told that

going on the diabetic diet did the most for

me. I was told that a lot of recently diagnosed diabetics have a hard time

adjusting to a new diet though. I've had to

learn to check my portions and make sure I stay within the daily limits of

each food group and check my feet daily.

Checking my feet daily is something I never did before but I'm working at

it. A friend of a friend has diabetes I found out

and he had a very hard time checking his feet and usually just ate regularly

and now he is getting one of his lower legs

amputated from the knee down due to gangrene infection. He already lost

part of that foot. I never dreamed that

he was a diabetic due to what all I saw him eat and in the amounts he ate.

A friend of mine had his bg checked since

he has all the symptoms of diabetes and after the checks, 163, 148 and 119,

it was strongly suggested and recommended

that he see a doctor since he most likely has diabetes. However he refuses

to see a doctor due to fear of being diagnosed

that way. He likes a lot of food that would be off-limits if he followed a

diabetic diet, ie. he loves chocolate sundaes, fried

foods, oriental foods and gorging out at buffets. He now weighs about 368

lbs., his energy level is way down and he usually

falls asleep after a 20 ounce Coke or a chocolate sundae. One time he

almost fell off of a chair if not for a friend having his

arm out by chance. After eating he still feels hungry as if he has not

eaten he says. He hates and refuses to drink any kind

of tea or water or diet soda or even Clear American water. It has to be

Coke, root beer or grape drink and it is nothing for

him to go through 12-24 cans a day. He is extremely thirsty almost all the

time. Does anyone have any ideas on how

he can be persuaded to at least go and see a doctor? We do have a free

clinic in our area too if that matters.

<< Do you have a cold or anything? That might be keeping your bg up at

161-250. My neighbor also

has type 2 diabetes and she is being worked with to lower her bg from its

consistent level of 122 to the normal

and safe range of 70-110. >>

I have sinus type infection symptoms, post nasal drip, and mild sinus type

headaches, my dr said that its probably viral, and not bacterial, after

examining me on Tues.

I drink 2 liters or more a day of Clear American, sodium and calorie free

flavored carbonated water. Both the diabetic educator and dr have said that

is fine.

I was diagnosed in November and i was put on Glucophage in Dec due to not

getting the levels down a lot, and having very high am levels, fasting. I

am

stressed because of this, and the dr also feels that putting me on the meds,

may lower my bg and therefore my stress levels the Glucophage works on

the liver to get it to stop releaseing such high glucose levels, so that i

can try to compinsate for the food i'm eating and exercise, but i could not

compte with the liver and deal with the excess glucose also.

I see the diabetic educator again the beginning of Jan, and i see the dr

again on the 17th of Jan.

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In a message dated 12/21/00 3:02:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

spyder@... writes:

<< Does anyone have any ideas on how

he can be persuaded to at least go and see a doctor? We do have a free

clinic in our area too if that matters.

>>

What about having him meet your other friend, the one who is having the

amputation.... explain the risks, and explain the pro's and con's of this

disease.... that's about all you can do.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/21/00 3:02:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

spyder@... writes:

<< Does anyone have any ideas on how

he can be persuaded to at least go and see a doctor? We do have a free

clinic in our area too if that matters.

>>

What about having him meet your other friend, the one who is having the

amputation.... explain the risks, and explain the pro's and con's of this

disease.... that's about all you can do.

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In a message dated 12/21/00 3:02:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

spyder@... writes:

<< He likes a lot of food that would be off-limits if he followed a

diabetic diet, ie. he loves chocolate sundaes, fried

foods, oriental foods and gorging out at buffets. >>

I've been taught, and experienced that you dont really have to make foods off

limits just limit the quanties and frequency you eat them in... ie i had a

small bite size snickers bar.... with my dinner the other night... this did

not greatly affect my blood sugar, however i did not have any other high amt

of carb's when i had this....

I know that some low carb people will disagree with it, but its a well known

medical fact that you can do that.... Ask your doctor or dietician for

advice on that....

However there are those people that cannot handle just one bite of a

snickers. and for them its easier to just avoid the snickers totally.