Guest guest Posted December 21, 2000 Report Share Posted December 21, 2000 I agree wholeheartedly. A support list should be for supporting each other when we're down and for passing along advice given to us by our medical ppl and sharing resource areas definitely not for saying anyone is doing a good job for doing something wrong. When I met with the diabetic dietician we had a two hour and forty five minute meeting going over what I liked to eat, finding out what my optimum weight was for my height (6'4 " ), her educating me on proper nutrition and dietary needs and what all my options are. She took the time to answer all of my questions without hurrying me, and what I need to eat to help my auto-immune system (which is pretty much shot due to epilepsy and diabetes). I learned that 1 medium apple or 1 medium orange or 1 half cup of fruit juice is equal to one fruit serving. I found that most of what I eat or drink is in one-half or one full cup portions. To achieve my optimum weight at a safe loss I am now on a two thousand calorie a day diet as well. I'll be meeting with my neurologist and my doctor in January as well as the diabetic educator. I track my blood glucose in writing 5 times a day and check it up to 4 additional times per day especially before and after exercise as well. I admit that I'm in the learning stage of diabetes and am only sharing what I've been told by those in the medical profession that have been helping me in all aspects of it. Diabetes is indeed a major lifestyle change, no one denies that. It is just how one responds to it and reacts to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2000 Report Share Posted December 21, 2000 In a message dated 12/21/2000 2:58:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, spyder@... writes: << Diabetes is indeed a major lifestyle change, no one denies that. It is just how one responds to it and reacts to it. >> Yes, and the feeling of well being you will have when you start to see those numbers come down is amazing. carol Yup, I feel a lot better. Not as thirsty as I was and lots more energy. I was diagnosed right before Thanksgiving and it was an awkward feeling checking my list to make sure I ate what I could in The amounts I was allowed. I had one plate not even filled while the rest had at least one full plate If not two plates of good food. The good thing was that no one made me feel left out or odd for Being on a diabetic diet. Christmas is right around the corner and everyone is talking about Good food and a big dinner. I look at it as going to be the same as Thanksgiving. Although now That I've had my meeting with the dietician and have the meals set up throughout the day I told them I could have a fairly good-sized meal and a snack off of leftovers several hours later Which was agreeable with them. I don't know how this is with others but my eating times are Breakfast 7:30 a.m., morning snack 9 a.m., lunch 12:30 p.m., afternoon snack 2:30 p.m., Dinner 5:30 p.m. and evening snack at 9 p.m. I have a 30 minute leeway so they are not Exactly set in stone. My biggest meal is at lunch and my second biggest meal is dinner, the Rest are essentially snacks. I have a set number of starches, fruits, proteins, etc... per day To have that fit into the carbs per day. Is it like that for others? It's working wonders for me - Keeping my glucose between 70 and 103 and losing 1 to 2 pounds per week. Thanks in advance for any and all input. Spyder spyder@... ICQ UIN#642403 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2000 Report Share Posted December 21, 2000 In a message dated 12/21/2000 2:58:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, spyder@... writes: << Diabetes is indeed a major lifestyle change, no one denies that. It is just how one responds to it and reacts to it. >> Yes, and the feeling of well being you will have when you start to see those numbers come down is amazing. carol Yup, I feel a lot better. Not as thirsty as I was and lots more energy. I was diagnosed right before Thanksgiving and it was an awkward feeling checking my list to make sure I ate what I could in The amounts I was allowed. I had one plate not even filled while the rest had at least one full plate If not two plates of good food. The good thing was that no one made me feel left out or odd for Being on a diabetic diet. Christmas is right around the corner and everyone is talking about Good food and a big dinner. I look at it as going to be the same as Thanksgiving. Although now That I've had my meeting with the dietician and have the meals set up throughout the day I told them I could have a fairly good-sized meal and a snack off of leftovers several hours later Which was agreeable with them. I don't know how this is with others but my eating times are Breakfast 7:30 a.m., morning snack 9 a.m., lunch 12:30 p.m., afternoon snack 2:30 p.m., Dinner 5:30 p.m. and evening snack at 9 p.m. I have a 30 minute leeway so they are not Exactly set in stone. My biggest meal is at lunch and my second biggest meal is dinner, the Rest are essentially snacks. I have a set number of starches, fruits, proteins, etc... per day To have that fit into the carbs per day. Is it like that for others? It's working wonders for me - Keeping my glucose between 70 and 103 and losing 1 to 2 pounds per week. Thanks in advance for any and all input. Spyder spyder@... ICQ UIN#642403 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2000 Report Share Posted December 21, 2000 << However he refuses to see a doctor due to fear of being diagnosed that way. He likes a lot of food that would be off-limits if he followed a diabetic diet, ie. he loves chocolate sundaes, fried foods, oriental foods and gorging out at buffets. He now weighs about 368 lbs., his energy level is way down and he usually >> Boy, Spyder, that's a tough one. Sounds like your friend suspects he may have diabetes and is in strong denial. I don't suppose telling him if he continues on that way without seeing a doctor he's committing slow suicide...piece by body piece. It's not lovely, what ignored diabetes will do...blindness, heart disease, renal failure, neuropathy, eventual amputation...all these are just a-waiting for your friend unless he gets to a doctor soon and changes his ways. Is there some way you can point these things out to him in a loving way? His mother and pretty much all of his friends have pointed all of this out plus he asked me to go to the diabetes educator with him when he got his bg checked since he did not want to go alone. I did so and she was so certain that a doctor would diagnose him as diabetic that she gave him a lot of material and answered his questions and pointed out that since he does not have a doctor there is a free clinic with a doctor who volunteers time. Also it is his friend who has diabetes who is losing the lower part of his leg so he well knows what diabetes unchecked can cause. We've tried so long and so hard to help him that another friend said he gives up trying to help him. If he doesn't want to help himself we can't make him want to. He is an adult. He also has a hard time believing that I gave up oriental food because of diabetes. He and I both love it but once I was told I'd be limited to hot and sour soup or wonton soup and nothing else I quit eating it at home or out. He still goes out and gorges himself at an oriental buffet. He refuses to tell his mother what the diabetic educator said, show her the material given him and that he should go to a doctor. I'm of the opinion that I should intervene and tell his mother since she has more of an influence on him. Any thoughts on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2000 Report Share Posted December 21, 2000 << However he refuses to see a doctor due to fear of being diagnosed that way. He likes a lot of food that would be off-limits if he followed a diabetic diet, ie. he loves chocolate sundaes, fried foods, oriental foods and gorging out at buffets. He now weighs about 368 lbs., his energy level is way down and he usually >> Boy, Spyder, that's a tough one. Sounds like your friend suspects he may have diabetes and is in strong denial. I don't suppose telling him if he continues on that way without seeing a doctor he's committing slow suicide...piece by body piece. It's not lovely, what ignored diabetes will do...blindness, heart disease, renal failure, neuropathy, eventual amputation...all these are just a-waiting for your friend unless he gets to a doctor soon and changes his ways. Is there some way you can point these things out to him in a loving way? His mother and pretty much all of his friends have pointed all of this out plus he asked me to go to the diabetes educator with him when he got his bg checked since he did not want to go alone. I did so and she was so certain that a doctor would diagnose him as diabetic that she gave him a lot of material and answered his questions and pointed out that since he does not have a doctor there is a free clinic with a doctor who volunteers time. Also it is his friend who has diabetes who is losing the lower part of his leg so he well knows what diabetes unchecked can cause. We've tried so long and so hard to help him that another friend said he gives up trying to help him. If he doesn't want to help himself we can't make him want to. He is an adult. He also has a hard time believing that I gave up oriental food because of diabetes. He and I both love it but once I was told I'd be limited to hot and sour soup or wonton soup and nothing else I quit eating it at home or out. He still goes out and gorges himself at an oriental buffet. He refuses to tell his mother what the diabetic educator said, show her the material given him and that he should go to a doctor. I'm of the opinion that I should intervene and tell his mother since she has more of an influence on him. Any thoughts on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2000 Report Share Posted December 21, 2000 What about having him meet your other friend, the one who is having the amputation.... explain the risks, and explain the pro's and con's of this disease.... that's about all you can do. That's his friend. The one having the amputation is the friend of a friend I mentioned earlier. He knows all about it. They chat on the phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2000 Report Share Posted December 21, 2000 What about having him meet your other friend, the one who is having the amputation.... explain the risks, and explain the pro's and con's of this disease.... that's about all you can do. That's his friend. The one having the amputation is the friend of a friend I mentioned earlier. He knows all about it. They chat on the phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2000 Report Share Posted December 21, 2000 My shakes were getting worse, essential tremor. I looked it up on the net and it said avoid chocolate as it contained caffeine. Not something we usually think about. I stopped chocolate and I believe there is an improvement in the short term. What we won't do to stay whole, said Sam, savoring his bites of honeydew melon.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2000 Report Share Posted December 21, 2000 Spyder wrote: << I am on glucovance to help produce enough insulin and to help the insulin to work properly ... I too was diagnosed in November and immediately put on glucovance that same day. >> I fervently hope you'll get off that Glucovance ASAP and use Glucophage - if you must use meds. Ideally, you'll strive to control your type 2 with diet, exercise, and weight loss. The Glucovance is a combo of Glucophage and a nasty old sulfonylurea I'm always warning folks about. Our problem isn't lack of insulin; in most cases, we have too much of it circulating around. Our problem is that our pancreas beta cells are being worked to death because of our insulin resistance. Sulfonylureas just beat the heck outta your pancreas, over and over, to produce yet more insulin, until finally it quits from exhaustion and you become in effect an " induced type 1 diabetic. " Sulf users lose pancreas function on average in six years. Diabetes is for a lifetime, so let's all find a treatment method that will last that long, and not be just a temporary, wrongheaded approach that will hasten the day our pancreas poops out. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2000 Report Share Posted December 21, 2000 True, I've been told that if I want to splurge and eat something not normally allowed or to eat something allowed but in a greater amount to exercise more. Since my friend does not exercise period and his job is sitting down dealing black jack and getting free Coke on the job it was brought up that it would be off limits pretty much until he got his glucose under control and his weight down to a better level. He's 6'2 and currently weights 368 lbs. In the spring and summer time I walk 6 miles, now that it is winter I exercise indoors doing stationary bike, stretching, jumping jacks, push-ups and sit-ups. Normally I walk to the park when weather permits and walk 6 times around the mile path and walk back home. Fresh air and such. I would like to get a treadmill though since walking is a load-bearing exercise and Really gets the blood flowing and allows the cardio-vascular system to get going. 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2000 Report Share Posted December 21, 2000 The blood and other tests showed my system wasn't producing enough insulin and that which was in my system wasn't working properly hence my prescription for glucovance. Incidentally my doctor said his wife was diagnosed with diabetes about 4 years to the date before I was. So far it is working very well. The blood and other tests are showing everything in working order. I've been having lab work since I got epilepsy and those tests include checks on my major organs as well as a complete blood and immune system work up. I'm very sure that either my neurologist or my doctor or both would pick up on anything wrong or going haywire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2000 Report Share Posted December 21, 2000 Spyder wrote: << A support list should be for supporting each other when we're down and for passing along advice given to us by our medical ppl and sharing resource areas definitely not for saying anyone is doing a good job for doing something wrong. >> We're more than a support group. And in many cases " our medical people " know less about diabetes than our fellow online diabetics. I'll bet your doctor didn't warn you that Glucovance will likely kill your pancreas, and yet your approach we would limit us to passing along wrongheaded medical advice. It sounds like you are getting plenty of medical attention, which is important, Spyder. Many diabetics upon diagnosis are just turned loose with the admonition to return in three or even six months. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2000 Report Share Posted December 21, 2000 I fervently hope you'll get off that Glucovance ASAP and use Glucophage - if you must use meds. Ideally, you'll strive to control your type 2 with diet, exercise, and weight loss. The Glucovance is a combo of Glucophage and a nasty old sulfonylurea I'm always warning folks about. Our problem isn't lack of insulin; in most cases, we have too much of it circulating around. Our problem is that our pancreas beta cells are being worked to death because of our insulin resistance. Sulfonylureas just beat the heck outta your pancreas, over and over, to produce yet more insulin, until finally it quits from exhaustion and you become in effect an " induced type 1 diabetic. " Sulf users lose pancreas function on average in six years. Diabetes is for a lifetime, so let's all find a treatment method that will last that long, and not be just a temporary, wrongheaded approach that will hasten the day our pancreas poops out. In addition to my doctors wife being a type 2 diabetic, one of his nurses is A diabetic as well. They all, my neurologist, doctor, diabetic educator and Diabetic dietician, work together and keep in touch with me and work with me. I was walking and exercising well before I got diabetes and my lab on Oct. 23rd Was the first lab showed the signs of diabetes. When I went to see the doctor He tested my blood glucose and it was 268 after a 8.5 hour fasting time. Venus blood was drawn and checked as well as some other stuff showing A very low amount of insulin in my body plus I had been gaining and losing weight In a very short time span. 235 on Monday to 268 on Friday of the same week to 242 a week later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2000 Report Share Posted December 21, 2000 ,I found these sugar -free pecan delights {kind of like a turtle,pecans, chocolate,caramel } made by Stover. They are REALLY good and have helped me stay away from all the holiday cookies and treats.They had no after taste, they are made with splenda. A serving has a total of 17 carbs, but that was 2 pieces and I found 1 piece to be more then enough for my sweet tooth. Re: RE: Foods and diet > In a message dated 12/21/00 3:02:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, > spyder@... writes: > > << He likes a lot of food that would be off-limits if he followed a > diabetic diet, ie. he loves chocolate sundaes, fried > foods, oriental foods and gorging out at buffets. >> > > I've been taught, and experienced that you dont really have to make foods off > limits just limit the quanties and frequency you eat them in... ie i had a > small bite size snickers bar.... with my dinner the other night... this did > not greatly affect my blood sugar, however i did not have any other high amt > of carb's when i had this.... > I know that some low carb people will disagree with it, but its a well known > medical fact that you can do that.... Ask your doctor or dietician for > advice on that.... > However there are those people that cannot handle just one bite of a > snickers. and for them its easier to just avoid the snickers totally. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Public website for Diabetes International: > http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int > > Post message: diabetes_integroups > Subscribe: diabetes_int-subscribeegroups > Unsubscribe: diabetes_int-unsubscribeegroups > List owner: diabetes_int-owneregroups > > URL: /group/diabetes_int > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2000 Report Share Posted December 22, 2000 Spyder wrote: > That's his friend. The one having the amputation is the friend of a friend > I mentioned earlier. > He knows all about it. They chat on the phone. > Actually, I denied my diabetes for about five years because I was afraid of the complications. I know that sounds funny because ignoring it will cause the complications quicker, but I felt that what I didn't know wouldn't hurt me. But, it was always in the back of my mind - all of the nasty complications... Then one day, I woke up (with the help of my wonderful husband) and I started doing my own research on the internet. I learned that these complications can be prevented, or at least minimized. I guess what I am basically saying is that I was too afraid to face the disease. I felt like complications were a definite, so why bother? No one ever told me that the complications were preventable, or at least controllable with good blood glucose control. In fact, none of the diabetes doctors I have had has ever mentioned complications (of course, they check me for them, but they never talk about it). Maybe your friend isn't so afraid of giving up his favorite foods and drinks, but maybe just of facing his fears. D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2000 Report Share Posted December 22, 2000 I think this must be the case with a lot of " old style " docs, the ones who treat the patient paternalistically ( " just do what I say, don't worry about the rest " ). Afraid to scare the patient so they don't mention down-the-road consequences of poor BG control. I think a lot more younger docs now realize that diabetes can be a self-managed disease and if the patient understands the consequences of poor control, they can be motivated to keep their BGs down. Also, many docs still prescribe the sulfs probably because it's what they're taught in medical school. But there are a lot of new meds that bring BG down (i.e. Glucophage is one) without destroying the remaining beta cells. Docs generally don't tell new diabetics that sulfs will ultimately stop being effective (usually in 3-5 years) at which time insulin will probably be required. Vicki In a message dated 00-12-22 09:31:13 EST, you write: << I guess what I am basically saying is that I was too afraid to face the disease. I felt like complications were a definite, so why bother? No one ever told me that the complications were preventable, or at least controllable with good blood glucose control. In fact, none of the diabetes doctors I have had has ever mentioned complications (of course, they check me for them, but they never talk about it). >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2000 Report Share Posted December 22, 2000 I was just starting to think of that as well. He admits that there are things that diabetes can cause. Maybe he is just thinking that if he doesn't get diagnosed with it then he won't have it. RE: RE: Foods and diet Spyder wrote: > That's his friend. The one having the amputation is the friend of a friend > I mentioned earlier. > He knows all about it. They chat on the phone. > Actually, I denied my diabetes for about five years because I was afraid of the complications. I know that sounds funny because ignoring it will cause the complications quicker, but I felt that what I didn't know wouldn't hurt me. But, it was always in the back of my mind - all of the nasty complications... Then one day, I woke up (with the help of my wonderful husband) and I started doing my own research on the internet. I learned that these complications can be prevented, or at least minimized. I guess what I am basically saying is that I was too afraid to face the disease. I felt like complications were a definite, so why bother? No one ever told me that the complications were preventable, or at least controllable with good blood glucose control. In fact, none of the diabetes doctors I have had has ever mentioned complications (of course, they check me for them, but they never talk about it). Maybe your friend isn't so afraid of giving up his favorite foods and drinks, but maybe just of facing his fears. D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2000 Report Share Posted December 23, 2000 Spyder wrote: << ... Breakfast 7:30 a.m., morning snack 9 a.m., lunch 12:30 p.m., afternoon snack 2:30 p.m., Dinner 5:30 p.m. and evening snack at 9 p.m. I have a 30 minute leeway so they are not Exactly set in stone. My biggest meal is at lunch and my second biggest meal is dinner, the Rest are essentially snacks. I have a set number of starches, fruits, proteins, etc... per day >> The six-feedings-per-day arises from them giving you sulfonylureas, which can cause serious - even fatal - hypos. The sulfs run the show, and you are eating around them. When you are weaned from them and placed on something safer, you won't need to eat so often. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2000 Report Share Posted December 23, 2000 Spyder wrote: << He also has a hard time believing that I gave up oriental food because of diabetes. He and I both love it but once I was told I'd be limited to hot and sour soup or wonton soup and nothing else I quit eating it at home or out. He still goes out and gorges himself at an oriental buffet. >> Oriental foods are, in general, low-carb. It's important to avoid the sweet sauces, the deep-fried, breaded items, and the noodles and rice, but the lean strips of beef and chicken, the peppers, the bamboo shoots, and other Oriental veggies are quite low-carb. I in fact load up on stir-fry veggies, Oriental veggies, whatever they're called, in the frozen veggy section at the grocery store, and we eat stir-fry, etc, a lot at home because it's so good for us. But I wouldn't eat the hot & sour soup or the wonton soup except as a gastronomic excursion. One of my rules is never to drink anything I can eat. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2000 Report Share Posted December 23, 2000 Susie, funny, I'm not on medication and I use the " eat all day " routine. It lessens the need for insulin to store and retrieve glucose, it is only needed to admit glucose for energy. It gives me better sugars, no highs after set meals, no lows between or after the food runs out. I mentioned this to walsh, of stop the rollercoaster and he said I was right, it would give better sugars. I think only those on insulin need to eat set meals. I would not miss a meal on oral meds though, you can havee a crash. Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2000 Report Share Posted December 23, 2000 Spyder wrote: << The blood and other tests showed my system wasn't producing enough insulin and that which was in my system wasn't working properly hence my prescription for glucovance. >> It seems possible you could be a type 1, in the honeymoon phase. Whether you're a type 2 or type 1, Glucovance is an inappropriate medication. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2000 Report Share Posted December 23, 2000 Spyder wrote: << Venus blood was drawn and checked as well as some other stuff showing A very low amount of insulin in my body plus I had been gaining and losing weight In a very short time span. >> Spyder, my hunch is that you have an autoimmune problem that is destroying your pancreas as well as causing the epilepsy. I truly would suspect you are becoming type 1. I'll just repeat that whether you're a type 2 or a 1, you should get off the Glucovance. When we're first diagnosed, we get a death grip on whatever treatment method we hit upon, and tend to feel threatened when someone questions our medical team, etc. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2000 Report Share Posted December 23, 2000 Spyder wrote: << 235 on Monday to 268 on Friday of the same week to 242 a week later. >> A 33-pound weight gain in four days ... All I can visualize there is you must have been drinking water like mad and your kidneys had shut down. Can you recall having tremendous edema, drinking fluids like crazy? Is there a history of diabetes in your family? Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2000 Report Share Posted December 24, 2000 Sam the Lion wrote: << Susie, funny, I'm not on medication and I use the " eat all day " routine. It lessens the need for insulin to store and retrieve glucose, it is only needed to admit glucose for energy. It gives me better sugars, no highs after set meals, no lows between or after the food runs out. >> Sam, you must " graze " throughout the day because you eat a high-fructose diet. << I think only those on insulin need to eat set meals. >> My point is the opposite: " Only those such as Sam the Lion on high-carbohydrate, fruit-based diets need to nibble throughout the day. Whether you eat 300 (more or less) grams of a form of sugar a little at a time or in 2-3 big chunks (i.e., meals), you're overworking your pancreas. The rest of us find we can eat big meals, as long as we select foods which are low in carbohydrates, so they don't overtax our beta cells. << I would not miss a meal on oral meds though, you can have a crash. >> Sam, you should define which oral meds you are referring to. Yes, sulfonylureas have the potential to cause severe, even fatal, hypos, but the rest of the meds (other than Amaryl) operate in a different, safer fashion. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2000 Report Share Posted December 24, 2000 Sam the Lion wrote: << Susie, funny, I'm not on medication and I use the " eat all day " routine. It lessens the need for insulin to store and retrieve glucose, it is only needed to admit glucose for energy. It gives me better sugars, no highs after set meals, no lows between or after the food runs out. >> Sam, you must " graze " throughout the day because you eat a high-fructose diet. << I think only those on insulin need to eat set meals. >> My point is the opposite: " Only those such as Sam the Lion on high-carbohydrate, fruit-based diets need to nibble throughout the day. Whether you eat 300 (more or less) grams of a form of sugar a little at a time or in 2-3 big chunks (i.e., meals), you're overworking your pancreas. The rest of us find we can eat big meals, as long as we select foods which are low in carbohydrates, so they don't overtax our beta cells. << I would not miss a meal on oral meds though, you can have a crash. >> Sam, you should define which oral meds you are referring to. Yes, sulfonylureas have the potential to cause severe, even fatal, hypos, but the rest of the meds (other than Amaryl) operate in a different, safer fashion. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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