Re: Pork not good for liver?

January 8, 2002

Oh shoot, just read a post about eating pork. Is bacon bad for our liver,

etc? With my hypoglycemia I eat 5 to 6 strips of bacon in the morning. I do

cut off all the excess fat I see, I hate major fat, plus I add a little olive

oil to the cast iron pan so it doesn't stick. I actually gag on fat on a

steak and spit it out in my napkin. I'm not one that likes to eat fat. But

with hypo you can only eat so much protein. I can't eat free range fed beef

steaks all day long.

January 8, 2002

There are too many reasons to list here to not eat animal products.

If you are starving and there isn't any other choice, sure you can

survive lean meat...but the hormones alone are going to mess your

system up. You can't eat meat without eating fat, and fat is designed

to gather pollution and hold on to it, protecting the rest of the

body from it. So when you eat animal fat, you are eating condensed

pollution. The parasites in animal products are numerous. The

cholesterol story has been harped on, but cholesterol is also created

by an overproduction of insulin and not only from animal fat. Since

you say you are hypoglycemic, you are going to be experiencing extra

cholesterol from that alone. So when you add meat to that, you are

getting involved in the possibility of some serious hardening of the

artery problems. Basically meat is dirty. It is dead and rotting, and

your body takes such a long time to process it that it rots part of

your body with it. Carnivors have very short digestive tracts so they

don't assimilate much of the poison in meat. Humans are not carnivors

and have a very long digestive tract, holding on to the meat for way

too long and allowing it to rot inside of the body. Ick.

Here are some websites with things to consider if you want to eat

meat:

http://www.madcowboy.com/

http://www.taxmeat.com/

http://www.meatstinks.com/lhaus.html

http://www.vivavegie.org/vvi/pdf/101.2001.pdf

http://www.organicconsumers.org/toxic/porkfilth.cfm

> Oh shoot, just read a post about eating pork. Is bacon bad for our

liver,

> etc? With my hypoglycemia I eat 5 to 6 strips of bacon in the

morning. I do

> cut off all the excess fat I see, I hate major fat, plus I add a

little olive

> oil to the cast iron pan so it doesn't stick. I actually gag on

fat

on a

> steak and spit it out in my napkin. I'm not one that likes to eat

fat. But

> with hypo you can only eat so much protein. I can't eat free range

fed beef

> steaks all day long.

>

January 9, 2002

eulypian,

I don't agree with you, but that's ok. Humans were never vegetarians until

lately. I also eat free range beef, steers I know where they've ranged, free

of pesticides or anything and also the steers are free of any hormones. Not

grain fed either, nothing. Their fat is not cholesterol producing this way,

which is the natural way humans ate their meat until the current market tried

finding ways to make more profit on the beef and added the feed lots and

hormones. Have you ever hunted and eaten venisen? It's the leanest meat

you'll find, same with steers that range free. My ancestors were hunters &

gatherers, not vegetarians. Not until they started farming and baking. Too

much carbs I cannot eat with hypo. I have a mainly protein diet, with low

glycemic veggies and hardly any fruits actually except in the summer I do,

and avoid white bread, pasta, etc. I also avoid all soy due to that

phyto-estrogenic content (hormones) Anyway, thanks for your taking the time

to answer me.

January 9, 2002

I don't agree with you, but that's ok. Humans were never vegetarians until

lately. I also eat free range beef, steers I know where they've ranged,

free

of pesticides or anything and also the steers are free of any hormones. Not

grain fed either, nothing. Their fat is not cholesterol producing this way,

which is the natural way humans ate their meat until the current market

tried

finding ways to make more profit on the beef and added the feed lots and

hormones. Have you ever hunted and eaten venisen? >>

________________________

Hello,

I agree that meat is fine for people. If it wasn't, then Yahweh wouldn't

have told us to eat meat in the Scriptures. But I believe there are certain

meats that are healthy. A good place to read about eating meat is Dr.

Mercola's website. There's also some write-ups about how bad pork is--NASTY!!!

Susie

January 9, 2002

Just some thoughts on all this vegitarian, meat eating stuff. Please

if you are an athiest, disregard. Jews? Well, the old testament is

the same for Jews and Christians anyway.

>>

________________________

Hello, Barry,

The reason that Yahweh told mankind to eat meat after the flood was because

at the time the canopy that surrounded the earth was removed. The canopy

offered a protection from the sun's harmful rays. People's skin was better,

food was better. There was no necessity to eat meat. When the canopy burst,

there was a bombardment of ultraviolet radiation which caused several things

to happen. This caused mankind's age to lessen, and it drops off sharply

after this. At that time Yahweh says to eat meat.

BTW, meat (clean meat) is good, otherwise Yahweh wouldn't have said to eat

it. He ate it too! See Gen. 18 for starters, with Abraham.

Susie

January 9, 2002

All animals have hormones. When we eat animal products we are adding

those extra hormones to our system, and that messes things up

considerably. Please read the links I posted. Humans were vegetarians

before being hunters, ask an archeologist. (And millions are becoming

vegetarians again in the light of research on the effects of eating

meat!) Investigate the proportion of digestive tract length in

carnivors compared to humans and you will see that our digestive tract

holds rotting meat in our system much longer than carnivors. If we

were really carnivors, we'd have a much shorter intestinal tract. And

that's just if we eat clean meat as you describe. Unfortunately, clean

meat is very rare.

On the other side of the equation, attitude is a major factor, and if

you believe something is good for you, you can actually make it so.

I've seen people live on what would kill others....

Good luck.

-- In gallstones@y..., FlyingABar@a... wrote:

> eulypian,

>

> I don't agree with you, but that's ok. Humans were never

vegetarians until

> lately. I also eat free range beef, steers I know where they've

ranged, free

> of pesticides or anything and also the steers are free of any

hormones. Not

> grain fed either, nothing. Their fat is not cholesterol producing

this way,

> which is the natural way humans ate their meat until the current

market tried

> finding ways to make more profit on the beef and added the feed lots

and

> hormones. Have you ever hunted and eaten venisen? It's the leanest

meat

> you'll find, same with steers that range free. My ancestors were

hunters &

> gatherers, not vegetarians. Not until they started farming and

baking. Too

> much carbs I cannot eat with hypo. I have a mainly protein diet,

with low

> glycemic veggies and hardly any fruits actually except in the summer

I do,

> and avoid white bread, pasta, etc. I also avoid all soy due to that

> phyto-estrogenic content (hormones) Anyway, thanks for your taking

the time

> to answer me.

>

January 9, 2002

The Creator told us to eat meat in times of famine, not that meat is a

proper diet. The Creator said not to kill, too. I've always marveled

at the way people manage to interpret that law in a way that allows

the torture and mutilation of animals to satisfy a few taste buds...

> I don't agree with you, but that's ok. Humans were never

vegetarians until

> lately. I also eat free range beef, steers I know where they've

ranged,

> free

> of pesticides or anything and also the steers are free of any

hormones. Not

> grain fed either, nothing. Their fat is not cholesterol producing

this way,

> which is the natural way humans ate their meat until the current

market

> tried

> finding ways to make more profit on the beef and added the feed

lots and

> hormones. Have you ever hunted and eaten venisen? >>

> ________________________

>

> Hello,

> I agree that meat is fine for people. If it wasn't, then Yahweh

wouldn't

> have told us to eat meat in the Scriptures. But I believe there are

certain

> meats that are healthy. A good place to read about eating meat is

Dr.

> Mercola's website. There's also some write-ups about how bad pork

is--NASTY!!!

> Susie

January 9, 2002

There are many views on the 'canopy' being either ozone or rain at

the time of the flood. Also, if it was the ozone layer thining or the

introduction of meat into man that lessened the years. All we know is

that God told man he could eat meat after the flood as long as he

removed the blood first. >>

__________________

Well, in Gen. 1:6-8, it's talking about " raqiya " which is the open expanse.

I realize this isn't bible study, so I'll be brief. But the open expanse was

created by forcing water into the upper atmosphere. There was a division of

waters. It consisted of oxygen and carbon dioxide and was set between two

levels of water. This open expanse, or canopy, would have created a

wonderful greenhouse effect, a mist-like condition. Imagine your veggies

growing in this? Not too hot, not necessary for rain.

And yes, I love meat too, but I eat things in moderation. I also love

veggies. I think that's why I like Dr. Cabot's diet so much.

However, I've been snacking on something all day long. But I'm not usually

like this.

Susie

January 9, 2002

Thanks Susie,

Funny you mention Dr. Mercola. I am on his mailing list and just finished

reading his article minutes ago on eating meat and protein diets vs

vegetarism and some of the myths. He made no mention of pork though. I will

have to search his site out and look for back articles on it. I only eat

bacon and then lean ham on a sandwich occasionally. The best pork we ever

had was when we raised our own one year. They ate well and their meat was

lean and so good.

I live in the country Susie, matter of fact Flying A Bar is our cattle brand.

I know some people might wonder why such a strange email name, huh? LOL

January 9, 2002

He made no mention of pork though. I will

have to search his site out and look for back articles on it. >>

_______________

Yeah, it's on his website. You probably need to key in the word " pork " in

the search. I think he's got several articles on it.

Susie

January 9, 2002

>>

The Creator told us to eat meat in times of famine, not that meat is a

proper diet. The Creator said not to kill, too. I've always marveled

at the way people manage to interpret that law in a way that allows

the torture and mutilation of animals to satisfy a few taste buds... >>

I don't know which Creator or Bible you are referring to but it's not the one

I read, I believe in God the creator and the Bible. Where I live there is no

torture or mutilation. The steers/hogs/ etc. are shot with a .22 bullet

between the eyes and never feel a thing. No pain. They are raised for meat,

not pleasure. I get the stong feeling you're British. Am I correct? Reason

being my mom is from England. And I've been there three times, lived there

over a year going to school one of those times. Veggism is a hard sell there

and most popular. And with Mad Cow I wouldn't eat meat either. I won't ask

my aunt to bring me Cheshire Cheese anymore the last few years (boy I miss

that! my favorite cheese in the world)

I don't mean this in any way argumentative. Just reading your posts you

sound like my family from England. We get all the lectures here. PETA must

be pretty prevelant in the UK. We live in cattle country in the US so it

doesn't sit well with us. Different views I guess. LOL

Take care,

January 9, 2002

<<

Just some Biblical thoughts for those of us who believe...

>>

Barry, thanks for your input on this subject. I've not gotten into a study

of the word of God on this subject so your input was very interesting. I bet

you'd look great at 900 yrs. old! You're cute!

;-)

January 10, 2002

Susie...I find your comments really interesting! Are you Jewish? You

mention this canopy. I have never heard this, but I watched a program on

Christian TV that mentioned back then they could hear music in the air coming

from the stars or heaven or something. It was audable to the human ear and

mentioned in the bible somewhere but also now proven in science somehow.

Sorry I can't remember the details to be more clear. It had to do with Noah

and the flood changing things and the music got dimmer. Sorry, this is way

off topic but I find it interesting non the less! :-)

(I'm a Christian)

January 10, 2002

Just some Biblical thoughts for those of us who believe...

God created humans as vegitarians. Before the flood, man only ate

vegitation and fruits. The time of man was very much extended,

hundreds of years for ones life. I believe this had something to do

with eating and also the time that God allowed man to live before

satan could figure out how to further destroy life of man faster.

Remember, Adam was to live forever before the fall.

After Noah and his family left the ark to repopulate the earth after

the flood, God told him that man would rule over all the beasts of

the earth. He also allowed man to eat meat as long as he first

removed the blood. God also reduced the time of man to under 100

years for normal lifespan. Once again, I think eating the meat is

also in relation to God lowering the time of life. I believe the two

work together according to Gods purpose.

Unfortunetly, we who become vegitarians cannot revert back to the

long lifespan of Genesis because God has other purpose for this

reducting of lifespan.

If I could clean my liver, become a vegitarian, and live over 900

years, than I would. Well, maybe not. :-)

Just some thoughts on all this vegitarian, meat eating stuff. Please

if you are an athiest, disregard. Jews? Well, the old testament is

the same for Jews and Christians anyway.

Happy Health.

Barry.

> > I don't agree with you, but that's ok. Humans were never

> vegetarians until

> > lately. I also eat free range beef, steers I know where they've

> ranged,

> > free

> > of pesticides or anything and also the steers are free of any

> hormones. Not

> > grain fed either, nothing. Their fat is not cholesterol

producing

> this way,

> > which is the natural way humans ate their meat until the current

> market

> > tried

> > finding ways to make more profit on the beef and added the feed

> lots and

> > hormones. Have you ever hunted and eaten venisen? >>

> > ________________________

> >

> > Hello,

> > I agree that meat is fine for people. If it wasn't, then Yahweh

> wouldn't

> > have told us to eat meat in the Scriptures. But I believe there

are

> certain

> > meats that are healthy. A good place to read about eating meat

is

> Dr.

> > Mercola's website. There's also some write-ups about how bad pork

> is--NASTY!!!

> > Susie

January 10, 2002

Susie,

There are many views on the 'canopy' being either ozone or rain at

the time of the flood. Also, if it was the ozone layer thining or the

introduction of meat into man that lessened the years. All we know is

that God told man he could eat meat after the flood as long as he

removed the blood first.

I eat meat and love it. I just have to moderate now that I am on a

healthy diet. And never with blood.

Thanks for your input.

Barry.

> Just some thoughts on all this vegitarian, meat eating stuff.

Please

> if you are an athiest, disregard. Jews? Well, the old testament is

> the same for Jews and Christians anyway.

> >>

> ________________________

>

> Hello, Barry,

> The reason that Yahweh told mankind to eat meat after the flood was

because

> at the time the canopy that surrounded the earth was removed. The

canopy

> offered a protection from the sun's harmful rays. People's skin

was better,

> food was better. There was no necessity to eat meat. When the

canopy burst,

> there was a bombardment of ultraviolet radiation which caused

several things

> to happen. This caused mankind's age to lessen, and it drops off

sharply

> after this. At that time Yahweh says to eat meat.

>

> BTW, meat (clean meat) is good, otherwise Yahweh wouldn't have said

to eat

> it. He ate it too! See Gen. 18 for starters, with Abraham.

> Susie

January 10, 2002

Thanks ,

I don't believe God told us to only eat meat in times of famine and

not to 'kill' (animals). Not to kill was for man. God told man to

rule over the animals and even allowed man to kill the animals for

food. As long as we remove the blood, God says enjoy. I think Susie

was making another point but not really sure. The Bible seems to

support the fact that man didn't eat meat before the flood and then

God allowed it after the flood. This may be a reason that at the same

time mans lifespan was reduces from hundreds of years to decades of

years. Seem like meat could be a connection. Interesting thought but

only speculation because of all of the religious opinions on the

matter.

Western society has contaminated a lot of our foods with additives

and perservatives, etc. We have to just be careful and watch what we

eat. Small meals, moderation, balanced, etc. We are what we eat.

I am not a vegiterian because I believe God allows us to eat meat for

him or not eat meat for him. He blesses either way we choice

according to the New Testiment. Religion and food shouldn't mix like

some people try to do. Being a vegitarian is ok but it is a personal

choice.

Eat and be healthy.

Barry.

> <<

> Just some Biblical thoughts for those of us who believe...

> >>

>

> Barry, thanks for your input on this subject. I've not gotten into

a study

> of the word of God on this subject so your input was very

interesting. I bet

> you'd look great at 900 yrs. old! You're cute!

>

> ;-)

January 10, 2002

<< Susie...I find your comments really interesting! Are you Jewish? You

mention this canopy. I have never heard this, but I watched a program on

Christian TV that mentioned back then they could hear music in the air coming

from the stars or heaven or something. >>

______________

, No, I'm a Yahwehist, or your might say Christian Yahwehist because of

the messiah. The raqiya was for real, or the canopy, however you wish to say

it. There's some ancient writings, too, that said it was crystaline. It

allowed light to come through, but filtered harmful rays of the sun.

There's an interesting place to visit when you get a chance, Glenrose, Tx.

They have a museum about the creation of mankind. I do not agree with much

of their teaching. They teach the dinosaurs and mankind lived together,

which the Scriptures do not teach at all but the opposite. That was a

different world-age previous to the adamic age that we're in now. But they

have experimented some with the canopy effect. They have this aquarium thing

with a copperhead snake in it. It lives in this controlled environment.

After living in this environment, the venom of the copperhead has become

virtually harmless. They have some fish that are quite a bit larger than

normal, too. In their research, they say that the canopy gave a pinkish glow

to the earth. It must have had wonderful positive effects for humankind and

veggies, etc.

Susie

January 10, 2002

<< As long as we remove the blood, God says enjoy. I think Susie

was making another point but not really sure. The Bible seems to

support the fact that man didn't eat meat before the flood and then

God allowed it after the flood. >>

____________

No, meat was not the problem. Imagine living in a world with no harmful rays

from the sun, and then all of a sudden a massive amount. It caused other

things, too, which I will not discuss on this board.

And no one is supposed to eat blood and nothing strangled, which is a similar

thing. Just think, some people at blood sausage. It's nasty!!!

Susie

January 10, 2002

<< Where in scripture is this? Have a good day. laura >>

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Hi, ,

Well, it helps to understand the terms which is in the first part of Genesis,

like tohu and bohu and hitah and rashith. The 6 days are the renewing the

face of the earth. But behemoth, comes from the word behemah and means a

quadruped beast, is in the book of Job and other places.

40:15-24, " Now behold behemoth, whose manufacturing of mine was equal with

yours... " (meaning his creation was placed on par with that of adamkinds

(mankinds).

He eats grass like an ox.

See, now, his strength in his loins, and his power in his muscles of his

belly. He lets his tail hang like a cedar tree; the sinews of his thighs are

knitted together.... "

Then it continues on and says this, " he was the beginning of the businesses

of el. His maker, he (Yahweh) brought on his (behemoth's) destruction. "

In the LXX, which is the Greek, it also states about this beast: " made to be

mocked by his (Yahweh's) angels. (LXX Job 40:14 [19]).

But note up above that he had a tail like a cedar tree. How many animals can

you think of that had tails such as this?

There's more, every creeping thing such as birds and things of the sea have

been subdued by mankind except behemoth, which cannot be subdued by man.

(Job. 40:24)

Then the new findings of dinosaurs or these huge creatures are so much larger

than first imagined. New ones have been found that makes the others look

like little terriers or something. No human could have lived alongside these

beasts.

How were they destroyed by Yahweh? Probably an astroid or something hit.

The earth shows signs of this happening. It's interesting!!! But they were

here for a reason too.

Susie

January 10, 2002

< The flood destroyed them (and every living creature not on the ark)! They

are where our great oil reserves come from today.

__________________

I'll be glad to discuss this privately because I'm sure no one wants to hear

about it. This is what most people think, but the Scriptures speak

otherwise!!!

Susie

January 10, 2002

In a message dated 01/10/2002 1:04:35 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Tishri7@... writes:

> one wants to hear

> about it

well, I for ONE do not mind...

January 10, 2002

< I agree with Tom. I would like to know what the scriptures say about it.

Specific verses. Thanks. laura >>

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Hi, and Tom,

okay. when I get a chance I'll write y'all something. I'm working on a

deposition right now.

Susie

January 10, 2002

<<They teach the dinosaurs and mankind lived together,

which the Scriptures do not teach at all but the opposite>>