Re: Re: Liquid Silicone Injections

December 20, 2006

Hi Terri,

There are definitely bad people in every profession but I don't believe ALL

plastic surgeons are bad people and liars.

Kenda

> Kenda,

> At the time I got mine in 1985 I specifically did not want anything

> to do with silicone, my ps lied and said they were completely saline

> all salt water, That I know now was a lie. I wouldn't have ever known

> because he never had any records and if I hadn't had them removed and

> identiified I would have never known he lied and put in bilumen which

> is saline and silicone gel. I call it fraud.

> Terri P

>

>>

>> Rogene,

>>

>> I don't blame most of the plastic surgeons for implanting women and

> not

>> believing them when they become ill. It is our allmighty, trusting

> government

>> who is brainwashing MD's and the public alike. Not all doctors are

> money

>> driven. I think if most understood that implants really do cause

> illness, some

>> would choose to scrutinize which patients they implant. Of course

> there are

>> bad doctors, as there are bad attorneys or bad car salesman or bad

> anything

>> else.

>>

>> Kenda

>>

>>>

>>> I know another plastic surgeon whose life turned upside down and

> became

>> a living hell. . . .I don't know if it was God's justice or not -

> but it certainly can

>> happen!

>>>

>>> We can't afford to waste our energy hating them though! It only

> gets in the

>> way ofour own healing!

>>>

>>> I wrote to . . . . Have you invited her to the

> group? . . . anyone can

>> send an invitation from the group page.

>>>

>>> Rogene

>>>

>>

>

December 20, 2006

Christene . . . you are so right! . . .you brought tears to my eyes. I hope you are feeling better! I'm not typing much - recovering from a broken right arm.usmcprincess3002 <usmcprincess3002@...> wrote: Hi Ladies! I know it's been a while but I'm still out here recovering from the removal and the subsequent divorce! I happened to see this note these words really stood out for me..."and I can only pray for God to send her a miracle as

he did myself." Donna? Ma'am I realize we don't know each other and all, but I have to wonder if God is not utilizing you, your presence, experiences, and resources as part of her miracle? Christene )>> Rogene,> > Yes, this is scary that some PS kill themselves and there family in the > process. I hate to think that my PS left me for dead, maybe he didn't know, the > truth only lies with him. It is weird that about 2 or 3 months after I had my > implants removed, my original PS collapsed, he had to get a colostomy bag, and > now is very sick waiting a liver transplant. He had hepatitis when he did my > surgery. I did get my liver functions test and it came back ok. It makes me > wonder is this bad carma, cause he knew what

was wrong with me and left me to > die or did God just have enough of him killing women and making women sick. > It is a scary process and I thank God that I am not a PS who does this > horrible stuff to women for a buck. I pray he ask for forgiveness and feel sorry for > him when he has to answer to God why he did these things for money and > material things. He collected expensive arts and went to France all the time, he > had lots of money. I heard he had to sell his house and business and living in > with a close relative. I heard he has lost lots of weight like 100lbs and > yellow. I went back to him OMG lots of time begging for him to tell me what was > wrong with me cause other doctor's didn't know. He laughed and told me to > wait a year I would heal. It was the hardest and most awful year of my life. > God have mercy on him if He knew what was

wrong with me the whole time. He may > know have to wait years for his liver transplant and I guess understands how > horrible the feeling is. I forgive him for what He did to me because I have to > and don't need the enemies and bad carma on myself someday. I hope he gets > well someday and is spared by God like myself.> > is very sick and she can't care for herself too good. She is not ready > to go to a home and is very scared she will end up in one soon. I would hate > to think that I may have to go to a nursing home someday. I really don't > like them places and hope I don't ever end up there. I know that if I didn't get > them implants out I would probably be in one know coma toasted and not > knowing anyone or anything. I just thought we might be able to send a prayer > or ask her how she is doing from time to time, she is alone in

this mess. I > talked to her today and she felt a little better and told me that I gave her > some hope, thinking she may find a doctor and maybe detox. I know I layed in > my bed for months and months straight with no support, no doctor to help me and > no hope. When I found support and some ray of hope I started fighting for my > life. Maybe this is the encouragement needs, for someone to believe > her that she has silicone poison and a ray of hope of some sort. Even if she > can follow the diet and Dr. Kolb protocol, who knows she may save herself from a > nursing home. I can only pray for God to send her a miracle as he did > myself. I guess it will be God's fate and 's strenght and will to survive. > The Eye of the Tiger!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just can't write her off yet because God > does work miracles. I did give her Dr. Kolb's site for

the protocol. She is > not comfy with the medicine the other doctor's want her to take so that is out > of the question I guess. Maybe if other's here e-mail her at > _foxfires44@..._ (mailto:foxfires44@...) and tell of woman doing better on the > Plaquenil she may change her mind. Thanks so much for helping. God > Bless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!> > Donna>

December 21, 2006

Christene,

God works in mysterious ways and we all know this is a mysterious illness to most doctors. I know when I was desperate for answers when I was sick and left for dead. I prayed a lot and talked with God. I went to church and begged God for answers so I could see my kids grow up and not die at the age of 37. I had nowhere else to turn for help. I thought of standing up when all the other people were standing up talking of there sicknesses and asking for prayer. I was so sick I did not do it, I was also embarrassed that vanity did this to me. I think about going back to that church and telling of my miracle that day I found support the following week and 3 weeks later I had explant with Dr. Kolb. It is scary because my original PS at one point was going to give me a deal, $750.00, to remove my implants, right in his own office. They described how he would do the procedure, you just sit in a chair he numbs you, he then makes a small slice under the crease and pops them and pulls them out. I was so sick and with so much brain fog at the time I am surprised I didn't fall for that ordeal. They assured me once again that nothing was wrong with the implants and I just paid so much money for them, it would be a shame to get them out now. I totally believe my life was spared by God and he sent me to the right place to get the truth behind the whole scam. I am grateful and hope to help lots of woman someday if I get better. I am not ashamed that I got breast implants, I was lied too. I hid my BA from lots of people, however when I got sick I told everyone who ask what happened to me. I waited 10 years for implants, I knew it was not what God gave me and went around and around in my head about vanity. God made me with a wonderful heart and in my life I have helped so many people. I think this is why he spared my life. I have had to learn patients with my illness, that was something I never had prior to implants. I was always in a hurry, things had to be perfect, cleaning and material things. That has all changed and I can't help but think back to something my father-in-law told me when he got cancer. He said, you know Donna you don't have nothing if you don't have your health. He was so correct and I helped that man for two years to fight cancer, he was blessed to live those two years since most doctors gave him 6 weeks to live. I would bring my Son to see him faithfully everyday, mow his 14 acres of grass, plow his garden barefooted with the roto tiller and go to church with him. I have seen miracles in my life and a firm believer of them happening. One day I had someone speak to me in the garden, yes I answered this voice back, shaking my head and saying OK. It told me my father in law would be healed with faith and if he believed of his healing to go to church and to tell everyone of his healings. I went to church that Wednesday, my father-in-law was there, I got baptized that day, he was anointed in oils. I know he was not healed forever, but two years was better than 6 weeks. My Son was only around 2 when we got the news his Grandpa was dying, my Son remembers him still since he lived 2 years longer. I am Thankful I got to help this man and seen miracle works from God. I think it totally affected my life forever. I knew when no man or doctor would help me who to turn too for answers. I am praying for and if nothing else will try to be there for her to have a shoulder to cry on and just vent... This is the scariest thing we can ever go threw, but if we make it to heaven someday, we will be whole again. God Bless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Donna

December 21, 2006

Rogene,

This is true about some doctors. My family practitioner was clueless, talking saline is safe saltwater. They know the truth now, just like I do. My doctor when I told him I was sick since getting saline implants, said, well you got a nice set of boobs out of the deal. That made me mad as I told him in a nasty tone, what good are nice boobs if you are sick. I never spoke to him again. I still go to his office and see his nurse practitioner, she will never get breast implants since seeing me. She had to take the nasty stitches out of my areola's cut all the way around, take out my nasty drains. We talked in disbelief together and she told me she had no idea. I made her promise me if any woman with implants come in here with mysterious illnesses that she would ask them if they had breast implants and then give them my phone number. She agreed to do this and was very puzzled as to why this goes on and read some research from support sites. The other doctor won't even look at me, the next time I see him I will say my boobs are not sick any longer and I got some well boobs since getting them out. I can only hope to educate as many people as I can through my horrific experience with implants. I really think some doctor's are clueless, but PS I just can't believe they don't know of things that can go wrong with the breast implants they insert into woman. I sometimes just want to back step every doctor I ever seen through my ordeal, tell them they were wrong so they don't do this to another woman. It is a mess and the public need to be told the truth. What bothers me the most is that we are wrote off as crazy and they don't believe you when you tell them saline. I have learned a lot and the most important thing I learned through this whole ordeal, is not to be my own worst critic. I am myself and no doctor can change me safely, I give up on all thoughts of ever getting cosmetic surgery again.. I accept the way God made me and have to realize beauty is only skin deep. God Bless!!!!!!!!!!!

Donna

December 21, 2006

has been trying to order this dryer, OMG what a mess. I guess she tried to order it thru this site on the net www.laundry-alternative.com/drying she is not completely capable of much, she turns words around and very repetitive. She ask the sale man if she could return if it didn't fit in her house. He refuses to sell it to her now. I even called these people myself and asked to speak to someone, no return calls. is chemical sensitive and claims she needs this dryer. I know nothing about the dryers and wondered if anyone here has and also if we could find someone else to sell a dryer. This is amazing how some people can be so cruel. We are only talking about a couple hundred dollars and a very sick woman. I just don't get it, when people get sick it is like sorry we don't want to help or deal with you. Please if anyone has any information or help with how to get the dryer she needs, let me know. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Donna

December 21, 2006

Donna, Maybe I got the wrong webpage - but the dryer I saw wouldn't help her anyway. She needs to be using only "green" products for cleaning. . . . Some of our ladies can recommend brands. If drying is an issue, hanging clothes up to air dry is completely safe. Absolutely no dryer sheets. RogeneBSBanshee1@... wrote: has been

trying to order this dryer, OMG what a mess. I guess she tried to order it thru this site on the net www.laundry-alternative.com/drying she is not completely capable of much, she turns words around and very repetitive. She ask the sale man if she could return if it didn't fit in her house. He refuses to sell it to her now. I even called these people myself and asked to speak to someone, no return calls. is chemical sensitive and claims she needs this dryer. I know nothing about the dryers and wondered if anyone here has and also if we could find someone else to sell a dryer. This is amazing how some people can be so cruel. We are only talking about a couple hundred dollars and a very sick woman. I just don't get it, when people get sick it is like sorry we don't want to help or deal with you. Please if anyone has any information or

help with how to get the dryer she needs, let me know. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Donna

December 21, 2006

Rogene,

Thanks how interesting, so now what only use green cleaners? If anyone could recommend something and is pretty much allergic to everything. Thanks for the help!!!!!!!!!!

Donna

December 21, 2006

Rogene,

Thanks so much I will pass this on to . She feels somewhat better just finally finding others who believe she is sick from the silicone injections. It is amazing how we can feel a little better just by hearing you are not crazy. I did some searching and was sent a link from a health clinic who deals with lots of Trans gendered patients who are constantly getting the silicone injections at pump parties. I ask them if they could help . First they ask me is she Trans gender. I say NO Then basically told me well then no help here for her. I am like just because she is not Trans gender means no help. I finally just ask her can you tell me what the doctor does when a Trans gender comes to the clinic. She said all we do is make sure they are breathing ok and send them out the door. There is no medicine for cure or relief. So basically it made me give up any hope what so ever. I am back to the miracle from God is the only way will overcome this horrific ordeal. Please pray for her. She is trying daily to accept how sick she really is and thinks she may have to go to a home really soon. She doesn't want to and she is trying to fight for her life. She is tired and weak. She says, she has been sick for 20 years, but never connected the two. She thought she had what the doctors were telling her fibro, arthritis, osteoporosis, etc. She feels relived to have found us and thanks me non stop for trying to help her and letting her vent. She faces mostly what we go through doctors not knowing how to treat her, doctors being rude. Doctor's yelling at her when she mentioned silicone poisoning, telling her she is self diagnosing herself. Blah Blah Blah.............. Please just pray for . God Bless!!!!!!!!!!

Donna

December 21, 2006

Hi Terri,

I really believe that not all doctors know that implants are health risks. I

have enlightened several who thought silicone was risky, saline were

completely safe. There are very few women on this list in comparison to

all of the women in the US that are implanted. Every doctor needs to hear

from sick, implanted women to know that implants are causing women to become

ill. I understand that sick women were lied to and told implants were/are

safe. I was told the same thing. But do you really believe that all

doctors know that implants are not safe? I'm probably in the minority but I

believe it is our mighty FDA brainwashing the doctors and patients alike.

Kenda

>

> Donna,

> I totally agree with you, They know and they still play dumb it is

> all about the money any body who says it is not is lying to

> themselves. This many women are not lying we are sick and it is

> legitimite. We no longer need validation from others we have each

> other. The ones who have gone in our foot steps before us and we are

> in the footsteps now. We will be the women that others will be

> looking to when their time comes to get sick, it is just so sad we

> don't have more medical professional help on our side we are sure

> going to need it. We do have some doctors out there who do care about

> us

> Terri P

>

>>

>> Rogene,

>>

>> This is true about some doctors. My family practitioner was

> clueless,

>> talking saline is safe saltwater. They know the truth now, just

> like I do. My

>> doctor when I told him I was sick since getting saline implants,

> said, well you

>> got a nice set of boobs out of the deal. That made me mad as I

> told him in a

>> nasty tone, what good are nice boobs if you are sick. I never

> spoke to him

>> again. I still go to his office and see his nurse practitioner,

> she will never

>> get breast implants since seeing me. She had to take the nasty

> stitches out of

>> my areola's cut all the way around, take out my nasty drains. We

> talked in

>> disbelief together and she told me she had no idea. I made her

> promise me if any

>> woman with implants come in here with mysterious illnesses that she

> would ask

>> them if they had breast implants and then give them my phone

> number. She

>> agreed to do this and was very puzzled as to why this goes on and

> read some

>> research from support sites. The other doctor won't even look at

> me, the next time

>> I see him I will say my boobs are not sick any longer and I got

> some well

>> boobs since getting them out. I can only hope to educate as many

> people as I can

>> through my horrific experience with implants. I really think some

> doctor's

>> are clueless, but PS I just can't believe they don't know of things

> that can go

>> wrong with the breast implants they insert into woman. I sometimes

> just want

>> to back step every doctor I ever seen through my ordeal, tell them

> they were

>> wrong so they don't do this to another woman. It is a mess and the

> public

>> need to be told the truth. What bothers me the most is that we are

> wrote off as

>> crazy and they don't believe you when you tell them saline. I have

> learned a

>> lot and the most important thing I learned through this whole

> ordeal, is not

>> to be my own worst critic. I am myself and no doctor can change me

> safely, I

>> give up on all thoughts of ever getting cosmetic surgery again.. I

> accept the

>> way God made me and have to realize beauty is only skin

> deep.

>> God Bless!!!!!!!!!!!

>>

>> Donna

>>

>

December 21, 2006

Donna . . . There are tons of products . . . Some of our women use them. This is what I found with a websearch for green cleaning products". http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient & ie=UTF-8 & rls=HPIA,HPIA:2006-31,HPIA:en & q=green+cleaning+products I know that diluted vinegar can clean almost anything, Rogene .

December 22, 2006

Many of us have become chemically sensitive after implants. This gradually gets much better after detoxing . . . part of chemical sensitivity is depression that lessens significantly when one is not in contact with chemicals. A lot of chemicals are in cosmetic products. Rogene BSBanshee1@... wrote: Rogene, Thanks so much I will pass this on to . She feels somewhat better just finally finding others who believe she is sick from the silicone injections. It is amazing how we can feel a little better just by hearing you are not crazy. I did some searching and was sent a link from a health clinic who deals with lots of Trans gendered patients who are constantly getting the silicone injections at pump parties. I ask them if they could help . First they ask me is she Trans gender. I say NO Then basically told me well then no help here for her. I am like just because she is not Trans gender means no help. I finally just ask her can you tell me what the doctor does when a Trans gender comes to the clinic. She said all we do is make sure they are breathing ok and send them out the door. There is no medicine for cure or relief. So basically it made me give up any hope what so

ever. I am back to the miracle from God is the only way will overcome this horrific ordeal. Please pray for her. She is trying daily to accept how sick she really is and thinks she may have to go to a home really soon. She doesn't want to and she is trying to fight for her life. She is tired and weak. She says, she has been sick for 20 years, but never connected the two. She thought she had what the doctors were telling her fibro, arthritis, osteoporosis, etc. She feels relived to have found us and thanks me non stop for trying to help her and letting her vent. She faces mostly what we go through doctors not knowing how to treat her, doctors being rude. Doctor's yelling at her when she mentioned silicone poisoning, telling her she is self diagnosing herself. Blah Blah Blah.............. Please just pray for . God Bless!!!!!!!!!! Donna

December 22, 2006

I thought this was interesting to read, it mentions silicone injections at one point.

Silicone Gel Breast Implants: Were Proper Disclosures Made?

by P. , Ph.D., MBA

Introduction: Silicone, a polymer of silicon, oxygen, and carbon, was invented in the late 1800's by Professor F.S. Kipping at Nottingham University. Little practical use was made of these materials until the 1940's when Corning Glass Works formed a working relationship with Dow Chemical Company (Dow-Corning Corporation) to develop many uses such as high temperature-resistant lubricants, rubbers, antifoam, mold-releasing compounds, insulation, as well as medical devices.

Silicone gel breast implants are medical device prostheses used to substitute for human breast tissue for purposes of augmentation or replacement following mastectomy. Implants consist of a plastic envelope or shell containing a soft gelatinous mixture. The shell consists of a highly cross-linked silicone polymer while the gel contents embody linear silicone polymers (specifically, polydimethylsiloxane-PDMS) of various molecular weights with less cross-linking than the shell material. Silicone gel implants were invented in 1963 for breast augmentation to replace the use of silicone injections. Silicone gel breast implants were widely marketed and used over a thirty-year period until 1992 when the FDA banned them for lack of sufficient safety and efficacy data. The number of breast implant operations in this time period is estimated to be between one and two million. In 1992, when sales were ceased, there were over 87, 000 breast implant surgical procedures of which 25, 676 (29%) were breast implant removal operations. Disclosure to Patients Issues Today, there is a great deal of controversy regarding certain physical characteristics of silicone gel breast implants versus what was revealed to or understood by patients as well as the medical profession. There are at least six important product information issues that should have been disclosed by the manufacturers in the package inserts accompanying the product. 1. Silicones have biological activity. Contrary to popular belief amongst plastic surgeons in the beginning, silicones were and are biologically active compounds.

Issue: There are published reports and internal company documents from silicone breast implant manufacturers that reveal screening and discovery of silicone compounds which exhibited pesticidal, antibiotic and hormonal activities.

2. Injected silicones caused problems. The potential danger of silicone compounds was published widely in the scientific literature revealing adverse reactions to silicone injections when used for augmenting the human female breast.

Issue: Despite much evidence, a correlation between silicone toxicity from direct injection with the possible silicone toxicity associated with gel bleed from implants was never addressed.

3. Gel bleed from implants was documented. Gel bleed is a phenomenon, which describes the migration of silicone molecules contained in the gel implant through the permeable shell. The fact that gel implants exuded a "greasy" residue was well known by manufacturers and plastic surgeons.

Issue: Historically, neither the patients, surgeons, nor the FDA were adequately informed about the gel bleed while it can be documented in company memos that gel bleed was known, discussed, and proposed to be studied at least 15 years before it was revealed in product package inserts. Issue: The gel material leaking from the implants was not characterized, and hence, posed an unknown health hazard to silicone gel breast implant patients.

4. Gel migration is described as the movement of silicone residues released from silicone gel breast implants throughout the body being carried by phagocytic cells via the lymph system or by some other mechanism.

Issue: Silicone fluids and gels have been known and observed to migrate both in animals and humans as cited in company memos written and papers published at least 15 years prior to being mentioned in product package inserts.

5. The chemical stability of silicone gel implants in biological systems should have been a critical factor when determining the suitability of implant formulations for long term use.

Issue: There is evidence both from company documents as well as the scientific literature that shelf life or stability data were not given proper consideration in the manufacture of silicone gel breast implants.

Issue: Long term suitability studies for breast implants in animals or stored on the shelf appear to be currently unknown or at least unpublished by breast implant manufacturers.

6. The information provided in package inserts for silicone gel breast implants was incomplete and sometimes incorrect. Such information accompanying regulated medical devices should be a fair and equitable representation of the safety and efficacy of the product.

Issue: The fact that gel implants could bleed gel and that the gel could migrate through tissues from the site of implantation failed to be mentioned in package inserts for more than 15 years.

Issue: The fact that gel implants had a limited shelf life was not addressed in package inserts for more than 15 years.

Conclusion: It is apparent that disclosure of critical information to patients regarding the physical characteristics of silicone gel breast implants was inadequate. Hence, patients were ill-informed when making decisions regarding the safety and stability of the products to be implanted in their body.

About P. , Ph.D., MBA

December 26, 2006

Lea,

I don't know why they are still doing this, let me guess, $$$$$$$$$$$$$. I would love to read that article if you can get someone to send it too me. was told it was so safe and the FDA didn't know what they were talking about when they banned it. She totally believed it was safe, just like I thought saline was safe. We were all lied to equally regarding silicone. is not doing to good, she says her ears and nose is just falling off. She said, the collegen is gone? She says, her ears are like dried fruit? I don't know what to tell her to do, she can't find a doctor to help her? I get really dry skin falling off in my ears, I don't know why? I don't feel like there falling off though. What to do I have no idea. I just pray for her to get a miracle. She is so scared and alone. She has chronic fatigue and she doesn't think clearly. She is now looking for a place to test for silicone hypersensitivity and vitamin deficiencies. I don't know if it is going to do her any good to just know these things? She is trying to just do something instead of laying there dying. It is so sad to see everyone so affected from things the FDA approved. I have to remember at one time the FDA said, silicone injections were safe, then changed there minds. It is hard to believe they don't see any difference with silicone in a silicone shell or saline in a silicone shell? It is merely the same thing if you ask me. God Bless!!!!!!!!!!!!

Donna

December 26, 2006

Thanks Lynda I will pass this on to . God Bless!!!!!!!

Donna

December 26, 2006

Silicone injections were banned. Do any of you remember the Georgia Crime Laboratory's investigations? I am afraid to send out the document, but someone in this group must have it. Why are plastic surgeons still injecting this poison into people?

GRRRR...Lea

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