Re: Re: Liquid Silicone Injections

[Guest guest]

Hi Lea,

I have to be honest with you, there will always be a part of me that WISHES

I could implant but I value my health more than anything and could not do it

to myself. I have read too many stories here of suffering because of

implants. No plastic surgeon could ever convince me that breast implants

are safe. The only doctor that could convince me is my Dr. Leu, who told me

that I would have to be crazy to do it.

I hope my sister has her implants removed and replaced (because she won't

just have them removed) soon. She has had them 11 years and I fear for her.

She just had a tummy tuck and is going to have a face lift soon so her

breasts aren't on her list yet. I have warned her many times but she

doesn't listen to me.

Don't worry Lea, I'm not getting implants but thank you for caring!

Kenda

> Thank you, Kenda:

>

> I am so worried that you might get breast implants because some of these

> doctors are so convincing. Many women are being implanted here in Edmonton

> because of the oil sands. These precious women are being used by the men who

> come to Edmonton on weekends for a good time. This is sad, but we cannot stop

> women from having these devices. We know of a group of people who are taking

> the women to where the men are working. This is illegal, but if we were to

> report these people we would be in danger.

>

> Honey, we checked Dr. out, and he seems to be talking from both sides of

> his mouth. I plan on cleaning the article up, and then we will fax it to Dr.

> Blais to get his opinion.

>

> Another thing that I wanted to tell you is that I know of three sisters just

> out of town who all have silicone breast implants. The one sister has had her

> implants for 30 years, and she ended up in ICU for one month. The doctors took

> hours to clean her out. She had silicone on her back, and she told me that she

> had almost died from heart and lung problems. Her sisters will not have their

> implants removed because they are in denial. Most women do not die; however,

> they live a life of suffering. It took me almost 19 years to find out that

> most all of my health problems were from my ruptured breast implants. My left

> eye has been bloodshot for three days, and this keeps happening to me...it

> must be from MS!

>

> Sending love to you........Lea

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> Re: Re: Liquid Silicone Injections

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>>>>>>>>>> Silicone Gel Breast Implants: Were Proper Disclosures Made?

>>>>>>>>>> by P. , Ph.D., MBA

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>>>>>>>>>> Introduction: Silicone, a polymer of silicon, oxygen, and

>>>>>>>>>> carbon, was invented in the late 1800's by Professor F.S. Kipping at

>>>>>>>>>> Nottingham University. Little practical use

>>>>>>>>> was made of these materials until

>>>>>>>>>> the 1940's when Corning Glass Works formed a working

>>>>>>> relationship with Dow

>>>>>>>>>> Chemical Company (Dow-Corning Corporation) to

>>>>>>>>> develop many uses such as high

>>>>>>>>>> temperature-resistant lubricants, rubbers,

>>>>>>>>> antifoam, mold-releasing compounds,

>>>>>>>>>> insulation, as well as medical devices.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Silicone gel breast implants are medical device prostheses

>>>>>>>>>> used to substitute for human breast tissue for purposes of

>>>>>>> augmentation or

>>>>>>>>>> replacement following mastectomy. Implants consist of a plastic

>>>>>>> envelope or

>>>>>>>>>> shell containing a soft gelatinous mixture. The shell consists

>>>>>>> of a highly

>>>>>>>>>> cross-linked silicone polymer while the gel contents embody

>>>>>>> linear silicone

>>>>>>>>>> polymers (specifically, polydimethylsiloxane-PDMS) of various

>>>>>>>>>> molecular

>>>>>>>>>> weights with less cross-linking than the

>>>>>>>>> shell material. Silicone gel implants

>>>>>>>>>> were invented in 1963 for breast augmentation

>>>>>>>>> to replace the use of silicone

>>>>>>>>>> injections.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Silicone gel breast implants were widely marketed and used

>>>>>>>>>> over a thirty-year period until 1992 when

>>>>> the FDA banned them for lack of

>>>>>>>>>> sufficient safety and efficacy data. The

>>>>>>>>> number of breast implant operations

>>>>>>>>>> in this time period is estimated to be

>>>>>>>>> between one and two million. In 1992,

>>>>>>>>>> when sales were ceased, there were over 87, 000 breast implant

>>>>>>>>>> surgical

>>>>>>>>>> procedures of which 25, 676 (29%) were

>>>>> breast implant removal operations.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Disclosure to Patients Issues Today, there is a great deal of

>>>>>>>>>> controversy regarding certain physical

>>>>>>>>> characteristics of silicone gel breast

>>>>>>>>>> implants versus what was revealed to or

>>>>>>>>> understood by patients as well as the

>>>>>>>>>> medical profession. There are at least

>>>>> six important product information

>>>>>>>>>> issues that should have been disclosed by the manufacturers in

>>>>>>> the package

>>>>>>>>>> inserts accompanying the product.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> 1. Silicones have biological activity. Contrary to popular

>>>>>>>>>> belief amongst plastic surgeons in the

>>>>> beginning, silicones were and are

>>>>>>>>>> biologically active compounds.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Issue: There are published reports and internal company

>>>>>>>>>> documents from silicone breast implant

>>>>>>>>> manufacturers that reveal screening and

>>>>>>>>>> discovery of silicone compounds which exhibited pesticidal,

>>>>>>> antibiotic and

>>>>>>>>>> hormonal activities.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> 2. Injected silicones caused problems. The potential danger of

>>>>>>>>>> silicone compounds was published widely in

>>>>>>>>> the scientific literature revealing

>>>>>>>>>> adverse reactions to silicone injections when used for

>>>>>>> augmenting the human

>>>>>>>>>> female breast.

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>>>>>>>>>> Issue: Despite much evidence, a correlation between silicone

>>>>>>>>>> toxicity from direct injection with the

>>>>>>>>> possible silicone toxicity associated

>>>>>>>>>> with gel bleed from implants was never addressed.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> 3. Gel bleed from implants was documented. Gel bleed is a

>>>>>>>>>> phenomenon, which describes the migration of

>>>>>>>>> silicone molecules contained in

>>>>>>>>>> the gel implant through the permeable shell.

>>>>>>>>> The fact that gel implants exuded

>>>>>>>>>> a " greasy " residue was well known by

>>>>> manufacturers and plastic surgeons.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Issue: Historically, neither the patients, surgeons, nor the

>>>>>>>>>> FDA were adequately informed about the gel

>>>>>>>>> bleed while it can be documented in

>>>>>>>>>> company memos that gel bleed was known,

>>>>>>>>> discussed, and proposed to be studied

>>>>>>>>>> at least 15 years before it was revealed in product package

>>>>>>> inserts. Issue:

>>>>>>>>>> The gel material leaking from the implants

>>>>>>>>> was not characterized, and hence,

>>>>>>>>>> posed an unknown health hazard to silicone gel breast implant

>>>>>>>>>> patients.

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>>>>>>>>>> 4. Gel migration is described as the movement of silicone

>>>>>>>>>> residues released from silicone gel breast

>>>>>>>>> implants throughout the body being

>>>>>>>>>> carried by phagocytic cells via the lymph

>>>>>>>>> system or by some other mechanism.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Issue: Silicone fluids and gels have been known and observed

>>>>>>>>>> to migrate both in animals and humans as cited in company memos

>>>>>>> written and

>>>>>>>>>> papers published at least 15 years prior to

>>>>>>>>> being mentioned in product package

>>>>>>>>>> inserts.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> 5. The chemical stability of silicone gel implants in

>>>>>>>>>> biological systems should have been a critical factor when

>>>>>>> determining the

>>>>>>>>>> suitability of implant formulations for long term use.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Issue: There is evidence both from company documents as well

>>>>>>>>>> as the scientific literature that shelf life

>>>>>>>>> or stability data were not given

>>>>>>>>>> proper consideration in the manufacture

>>>>> of silicone gel breast implants.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Issue: Long term suitability studies for breast implants in

>>>>>>>>>> animals or stored on the shelf appear to

>>>>> be currently unknown or at least

>>>>>>>>>> unpublished by breast implant manufacturers.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> 6. The information provided in package inserts for silicone

>>>>>>>>>> gel breast implants was incomplete and

>>>>>>>>> sometimes incorrect. Such information

>>>>>>>>>> accompanying regulated medical devices should be a fair and equitable

>>>>>>>>>> representation of the safety and efficacy of the product.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Issue: The fact that gel implants could bleed gel and that

>>>>>>>>>> the gel could migrate through tissues from

>>>>>>>>> the site of implantation failed to

>>>>>>>>>> be mentioned in package inserts for more than 15 years.

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>>>>>>>>>> Issue: The fact that gel implants had a limited shelf life

>>>>>>>>>> was not addressed in package inserts for more than 15 years.

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>>>>>>>>>> Conclusion: It is apparent that disclosure of critical

>>>>>>>>>> information to patients regarding the

>>>>>>>>> physical characteristics of silicone gel

>>>>>>>>>> breast implants was inadequate. Hence,

>>>>>>>>> patients were ill-informed when making

>>>>>>>>>> decisions regarding the safety and stability

>>>>>>>>> of the products to be implanted

>>>>>>>>>> in their body.

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[Guest guest]

Dearest Kenda:

Thank you for this. I really was worried about you, because I would never want you to go through what all of us women have been through. You have been in this group for so long, and I thank you for your continuing support. Just know that you are beautiful just the way you are.

Sending love always.....Lea

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Re: Re: Liquid Silicone Injections>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I thought this was interesting to read, it mentions silicone>>>>>>> injections at>>>>>>>>>> one point.>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Silicone Gel Breast Implants: Were Proper Disclosures Made?>>>>>>>>>> by P. , Ph.D., MBA>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Introduction: Silicone, a polymer of silicon, oxygen, and>>>>>>>>>> carbon, was invented in the late 1800's by Professor F.S. Kipping at>>>>>>>>>> Nottingham University. Little practical use>>>>>>>>> was made of these materials until>>>>>>>>>> the 1940's when Corning Glass Works formed a working>>>>>>> relationship with Dow>>>>>>>>>> Chemical Company (Dow-Corning Corporation) to>>>>>>>>> develop many uses such as high>>>>>>>>>> temperature-resistant lubricants, rubbers,>>>>>>>>> antifoam, mold-releasing compounds,>>>>>>>>>> insulation, as well as medical devices.>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Silicone gel breast implants are medical device prostheses>>>>>>>>>> used to substitute for human breast tissue for purposes of>>>>>>> augmentation or>>>>>>>>>> replacement following mastectomy. Implants consist of a plastic>>>>>>> envelope or>>>>>>>>>> shell containing a soft gelatinous mixture. The shell consists>>>>>>> of a highly>>>>>>>>>> cross-linked silicone polymer while the gel contents embody>>>>>>> linear silicone>>>>>>>>>> polymers (specifically, polydimethylsiloxane-PDMS) of various >>>>>>>>>> molecular>>>>>>>>>> weights with less cross-linking than the>>>>>>>>> shell material. Silicone gel implants>>>>>>>>>> were invented in 1963 for breast augmentation>>>>>>>>> to replace the use of silicone>>>>>>>>>> injections.>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Silicone gel breast implants were widely marketed and used>>>>>>>>>> over a thirty-year period until 1992 when >>>>> the FDA banned them for lack of>>>>>>>>>> sufficient safety and efficacy data. The>>>>>>>>> number of breast implant operations>>>>>>>>>> in this time period is estimated to be>>>>>>>>> between one and two million. In 1992,>>>>>>>>>> when sales were ceased, there were over 87, 000 breast implant >>>>>>>>>> surgical>>>>>>>>>> procedures of which 25, 676 (29%) were >>>>> breast implant removal operations.>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Disclosure to Patients Issues Today, there is a great deal of>>>>>>>>>> controversy regarding certain physical>>>>>>>>> characteristics of silicone gel breast>>>>>>>>>> implants versus what was revealed to or>>>>>>>>> understood by patients as well as the>>>>>>>>>> medical profession. There are at least >>>>> six important product information>>>>>>>>>> issues that should have been disclosed by the manufacturers in>>>>>>> the package>>>>>>>>>> inserts accompanying the product.>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. Silicones have biological activity. Contrary to popular>>>>>>>>>> belief amongst plastic surgeons in the >>>>> beginning, silicones were and are>>>>>>>>>> biologically active compounds.>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Issue: There are published reports and internal company>>>>>>>>>> documents from silicone breast implant>>>>>>>>> manufacturers that reveal screening and>>>>>>>>>> discovery of silicone compounds which exhibited pesticidal,>>>>>>> antibiotic and>>>>>>>>>> hormonal activities.>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2. Injected silicones caused problems. The potential danger of>>>>>>>>>> silicone compounds was published widely in>>>>>>>>> the scientific literature revealing>>>>>>>>>> adverse reactions to silicone injections when used for>>>>>>> augmenting the human>>>>>>>>>> female breast.>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Issue: Despite much evidence, a correlation between silicone>>>>>>>>>> toxicity from direct injection with the>>>>>>>>> possible silicone toxicity associated>>>>>>>>>> with gel bleed from implants was never addressed.>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 3. Gel bleed from implants was documented. Gel bleed is a>>>>>>>>>> phenomenon, which describes the migration of>>>>>>>>> silicone molecules contained in>>>>>>>>>> the gel implant through the permeable shell.>>>>>>>>> The fact that gel implants exuded>>>>>>>>>> a "greasy" residue was well known by >>>>> manufacturers and plastic surgeons.>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Issue: Historically, neither the patients, surgeons, nor the>>>>>>>>>> FDA were adequately informed about the gel>>>>>>>>> bleed while it can be documented in>>>>>>>>>> company memos that gel bleed was known,>>>>>>>>> discussed, and proposed to be studied>>>>>>>>>> at least 15 years before it was revealed in product package>>>>>>> inserts. Issue:>>>>>>>>>> The gel material leaking from the implants>>>>>>>>> was not characterized, and hence,>>>>>>>>>> posed an unknown health hazard to silicone gel breast implant >>>>>>>>>> patients.>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 4. Gel migration is described as the movement of silicone>>>>>>>>>> residues released from silicone gel breast>>>>>>>>> implants throughout the body being>>>>>>>>>> carried by phagocytic cells via the lymph>>>>>>>>> system or by some other mechanism.>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Issue: Silicone fluids and gels have been known and observed>>>>>>>>>> to migrate both in animals and humans as cited in company memos>>>>>>> written and>>>>>>>>>> papers published at least 15 years prior to>>>>>>>>> being mentioned in product package>>>>>>>>>> inserts.>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 5. The chemical stability of silicone gel implants in>>>>>>>>>> biological systems should have been a critical factor when>>>>>>> determining the>>>>>>>>>> suitability of implant formulations for long term use.>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Issue: There is evidence both from company documents as well>>>>>>>>>> as the scientific literature that shelf life>>>>>>>>> or stability data were not given>>>>>>>>>> proper consideration in the manufacture >>>>> of silicone gel breast implants.>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Issue: Long term suitability studies for breast implants in>>>>>>>>>> animals or stored on the shelf appear to >>>>> be currently unknown or at least>>>>>>>>>> unpublished by breast implant manufacturers.>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 6. The information provided in package inserts for silicone>>>>>>>>>> gel breast implants was incomplete and>>>>>>>>> sometimes incorrect. Such information>>>>>>>>>> accompanying regulated medical devices should be a fair and equitable>>>>>>>>>> representation of the safety and efficacy of the product.>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Issue: The fact that gel implants could bleed gel and that>>>>>>>>>> the gel could migrate through tissues from>>>>>>>>> the site of implantation failed to>>>>>>>>>> be mentioned in package inserts for more than 15 years.>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Issue: The fact that gel implants had a limited shelf life>>>>>>>>>> was not addressed in package inserts for more than 15 years.>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Conclusion: It is apparent that disclosure of critical>>>>>>>>>> information to patients regarding the>>>>>>>>> physical characteristics of silicone gel>>>>>>>>>> breast implants was inadequate. Hence,>>>>>>>>> patients were ill-informed when making>>>>>>>>>> decisions regarding the safety and stability>>>>>>>>> of the products to be implanted>>>>>>>>>> in their body.>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> About P. , Ph.D., MBA>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Rogene,

I totally agree and if she is not willing to tell the truth she probably won't get help. I mentioned that to her and she got really upset with me and acted like I wanted her to go public with the whole ordeal. Geez!!!!

I am beginning to realize why they can't get help hiding out and not telling the whole truth. I am not ashamed I got lied to and not afraid to tell anyone my breast implant story. However, I guess since most have been warned about silicone injections, she is ashamed that she had this done. I just asked why she would not tell the ER and she got very defensive. I am sick myself and really can't help someone who is not willing to simply tell the truth that they got $100,000.00 worth of silicone injections. This is why there is no support sites there all in hiding, ashamed and sick from getting the injections. is like OMG I did this to look good, now look at me type stuff. I feel her pain, I did the same thing. However, It is not top secret and I told every doctor I was in contact with that maybe it's these breast implants, it all started when I got breast implants, over and over. Still no help, but I know that if I had silicone implants, they would have taken me more seriously, since we all know and have been warned of silicone. Thanks for all the help Rogene. My hands are tied and I really don't know how to help her at this point, totally clueless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

God Bless and Happy New Year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Donna

[Guest guest]

Rogene,

I will say a pray for , turn it all over to God!!!!!! I totally agree with your post whole heartedly. Thank You!!!!!!!! God Bless!!!!!!!!

Donna

[Guest guest]

Donna,

Sometimes it's impossible to help. . . If isn't willing to level with her doctors, she can't expect them to be able to help her!

I don't know what else to tell her!

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Donna,

You really can't afford to give the energy that you need for healing over to - especially when she's not ready for help.

I feel really bad for women who are so badly affected mentally that they've lost all reason and common sense. The manufacturer's and plastic surgeons couldn't for better patients! IMHO, they've capitalized on this for years!

My suggestion, say a prayer for her, turn her over to God and let Him take care of things. He will take care of her in His own way. It may not be the way we think. We can only trust in Him.

Hugs,

Rogene

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Rogene,

I totally agree and if she is not willing to tell the truth she probably won't get help. I mentioned that to her and she got really upset with me and acted like I wanted her to go public with the whole ordeal. Geez!!!!

I am beginning to realize why they can't get help hiding out and not telling the whole truth. I am not ashamed I got lied to and not afraid to tell anyone my breast implant story. However, I guess since most have been warned about silicone injections, she is ashamed that she had this done. I just asked why she would not tell the ER and she got very defensive. I am sick myself and really can't help someone who is not willing to simply tell the truth that they got $100,000.00 worth of silicone injections. This is why there is no support sites there all in hiding, ashamed and sick from getting the injections. is like OMG I did this to look good, now look at me type stuff. I feel her pain, I did the same thing. However, It is not top secret and I told every doctor I was in contact with that maybe it's these breast implants, it all started when I got breast implants, over and over. Still no help, but I know that if

I had silicone implants, they would have taken me more seriously, since we all know and have been warned of silicone. Thanks for all the help Rogene. My hands are tied and I really don't know how to help her at this point, totally clueless!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

God Bless and Happy New Year!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!

Donna

[Guest guest]

I must say that I agree with Rogene. We have all been through hell, and when someone wants to keep their breast implants a secret, we are all in trouble. I have had women in my group who just feel that if they were to die it would benefit their families...their homes would be paid for.

When we found out that my breast implants had made me so very sick, we told our insurance company. They refused to continue to insure me, but if I had not told them the truth, they would have! I tell everyone, and I will continue to do this for the rest of my life.

Bless , and we hope that she will get some help soon...love...Lea

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Re: Re: Liquid Silicone Injections

Rogene,

I totally agree and if she is not willing to tell the truth she probably won't get help. I mentioned that to her and she got really upset with me and acted like I wanted her to go public with the whole ordeal. Geez!!!!

I am beginning to realize why they can't get help hiding out and not telling the whole truth. I am not ashamed I got lied to and not afraid to tell anyone my breast implant story. However, I guess since most have been warned about silicone injections, she is ashamed that she had this done. I just asked why she would not tell the ER and she got very defensive. I am sick myself and really can't help someone who is not willing to simply tell the truth that they got $100,000.00 worth of silicone injections. This is why there is no support sites there all in hiding, ashamed and sick from getting the injections. is like OMG I did this to look good, now look at me type stuff. I feel her pain, I did the same thing. However, It is not top secret and I told every doctor I was in contact with that maybe it's these breast implants, it all started when I got breast implants, over and over. Still no help, but I know that if I had silicone implants, they would have taken me more seriously, since we all know and have been warned of silicone. Thanks for all the help Rogene. My hands are tied and I really don't know how to help her at this point, totally clueless!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

God Bless and Happy New Year!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!

Donna

[Guest guest]

Lea,

Yes, it is so sad. I am embarrassed that I fell for there lies, but I won't lay down, hide the truth and give them what they want for making me sick. I really hope by woman telling the truth about how they were sucked in lied to and robbed and made sick, it might stop this nightmare I am living. It is sad she won't admit it and it may even be since it is illegal she is afraid to get in trouble herself. I don't know but if it was myself and I was lied to and someone made me that sick, I would have to tell everyone so it didn't happen to others. Great Job warning woman Lea, you are a blessing.

God Bless You,

Donna

[Guest guest]

Dearest Donna:

I do feel sorry for ; however, she should sue the plastic surgeon because silicone injections have been banned. The only way that we will win this war is to fight back. They have gagged me, but I will continue to fight this war.

Honey, please get well and then put some of your energy into doing research. That really helped me to feel vindicated, when everyone was telling me that I was a mental case.

Sending love always.......Lea

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Lea,

Yes, it is so sad. I am embarrassed that I fell for there lies, but I won't lay down, hide the truth and give them what they want for making me sick. I really hope by woman telling the truth about how they were sucked in lied to and robbed and made sick, it might stop this nightmare I am living. It is sad she won't admit it and it may even be since it is illegal she is afraid to get in trouble herself. I don't know but if it was myself and I was lied to and someone made me that sick, I would have to tell everyone so it didn't happen to others. Great Job warning woman Lea, you are a blessing.

God Bless You,

Donna

[Guest guest]

Lea,

I totally agree with this, we have to fight back. If we don't they get rich and we just die, scared and alone. will not hear of even telling the ER the truth, much less fight the cracker who did this to her. She did say there were 11 law suits filed against him and he had a stroke and was sick now himself. Maybe he used his own remedies on himself? Who knows. It is all sad? Who Gagged you? I missed so much of your story and what happened with the whole court issue. I wouldn't listen to there lies and I say freedom of speech. When I get well they had better look out, I do plan to do something to try for them to stop this whole mess. I am not ready right now, hope someday I will make a difference, really just don't know how.

Big Hugs,

Donna

[Guest guest]

Dearest Donna:

I had been in litigation for 14 years, and my lawyer wanted it to end. He asked if I would agree to mediation, and that is what we did. When the mediation was over, I was gagged by the manufacturers. This was one of the most stressful things that I have ever done. They waited until I was too old to go to trial, and then, like my lawyer told us, we could lose. My husband and I have been through hell, and we are glad that this is over; however, it will never be over for me. My health will never be restored.

This week, I had three mystery phone calls from Ontario, one last night; they were all hang ups. This caused me quite a lot of stress. Last night, I reported these calls to the authorities. I also had a nasty sexual email, sent from me to me, as well! We are wondering why this is happening to us again.

Litigation is never easy, but we must fight back, or we have accepted what they have done to us and our families.

Sending love.........Lea

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Lea,

I totally agree with this, we have to fight back. If we don't they get rich and we just die, scared and alone. will not hear of even telling the ER the truth, much less fight the cracker who did this to her. She did say there were 11 law suits filed against him and he had a stroke and was sick now himself. Maybe he used his own remedies on himself? Who knows. It is all sad? Who Gagged you? I missed so much of your story and what happened with the whole court issue. I wouldn't listen to there lies and I say freedom of speech. When I get well they had better look out, I do plan to do something to try for them to stop this whole mess. I am not ready right now, hope someday I will make a difference, really just don't know how.

Big Hugs,

Donna

[Guest guest]

Lea,

That is horrible, why the gag? I guessed it so woman could not be warned and find out the truth by hearing your horrible story and journey that you had to go through. That is amazing in itself that they would try to run your life as though they have a say in freedom of speech or something. I guess they think they are God or something and own us if we get implants. I was interested in the Research you was just talking of from Dr. Blais, regarding different studies he had done. He tested my implants, states there are mycobacteria characteristics? I would love to find out more on that issue itself actually. Rogene wrote me back some but it was a little bit of a different name, so is this the same bacteria? I hope you are doing good and I am glad that you are here anyway even though they gagged you. Keep up the good work and God will give you many crowns for your good deeds someday. God Bless!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Donna

[Guest guest]

Rogene,

Wow that is scary, even death. Money I guess is powerful enough to make someone do this to someone. It is crazy though. What if you refuse the gag order? I was also wondering if you or anyone knew anything on the depro vera shot my daughter got this shot it stops your periods, etc. so you can't get pregnant. She has been off this shot for sometime and swears it has made her sick, anxiety, depression, etc. I am trying to find something to see what I can do to help her. This is getting a little out of hand the FDA approving this stuff is hurting so many of us and our children. Within the last year I find out my implants are making me sick, then my niece is sick from her iud mirena, now my daughter with depro vera. This is out of hand.

Donna

[Guest guest]

Donna -

I am having my Mirena IUD removed this week as well in an effort to continue to feel better and alleviate unnecessary hormones in my body. My physician suggested that with no having a period in two years that the progesterone in the Mirena can put your body into a constant state of pregnancy - contributing to depression, weight gain, tiredness, etc. on top of everything else that was exaserbated by my implants. I would be interested in knowing a bit of your nieces experience so that I can pass it on to my GYN for his information in hopes of educating others of possible risks. Every little bit helps.

Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Donna,

The manufacturer's had been settling with women for a number of years before the implant problems became public in the early 90's - leading to the ban on silicone gel implants in 1992. Women were required to sign gag orders when they had the goods on the manufacturer's and the manufacture's didn't want that public knowledge.

There's some REALLY dirty dealing going on . . . death threats - quite possibly murders. All very nasty stuff. I don't think the public has an inkling of what's happened!

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Donna,

This is WAY out of hand! . . . If you refuse the gag order, you they don't settle. If you violate the gag order after settling, they can come back at you for the money. . . Some women have spoken out after their money was gone.

I met a retired pharmacist/drug executive recently. In his opinion, drugs are dangerous . . . Last night another friend told me that one of their pharmacist/family members told them the same thing. . . That's not to say that medication in a crisis is not necessary - but the idea of putting people on medication on an ongoing basis is insane. I had breast cancer last year . . . The medication the wanted me to take made me feel that the aging button was put on fast forward. . . No Thanks! I'd rather have a few good months than years on that stuff! . . Especially when it would reduce my chances of a reoccurance by only 11%!

One silicone sister (whose hubby is retired drug exec) said the stated goal of a major drug company is to get everyone on drugs from birth to the grave. Awful!

I've been reading some interesting, but terrifying books . . "Fiasco", "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man", and "American Dynasty" . . . Few citizens have ANY idea of how our government has been running! A very old book, "Pawn in the Game", predicts the mess we're in. The hopeful change the government is begining to take in Iraq comes largely from the book "Fiasco". It may be too late though. "The movie, "The Good Shepard", isn't far from the truth. The common thread that runs through all this is money for a select few at the expense of the majority.

If I remember right, three of the four doctors who were willing to work with Lana and her family on silicone hypersensitivity, ended up prematurely dead. . . There are others.

Rogene

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Rogene,

Wow that is scary, even death. Money I guess is powerful enough to make someone do this to someone. It is crazy though. What if you refuse the gag order? I was also wondering if you or anyone knew anything on the depro vera shot my daughter got this shot it stops your periods, etc. so you can't get pregnant. She has been off this shot for sometime and swears it has made her sick, anxiety, depression, etc. I am trying to find something to see what I can do to help her. This is getting a little out of hand the FDA approving this stuff is hurting so many of us and our children. Within the last year I find out my implants are making me sick, then my niece is sick from her iud mirena, now my daughter with depro vera. This is out of hand.

Donna

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Dearest Donna:

I was gagged because I did fight back, and "they" do not want women like me around. My journey was very painful, but I know that I did help many women. They were afraid of me, because I was working with lawyers here and helping women to sue one-on-one. This was not part of their plan, because they want all women in a class action. I was suing one-on-one, and we were planning on taking one of my cases all the way to the Supreme Court of Canada if necessary. The things that they did are astounding. Our phones were tapped for years, they took our paper garbage, and they even broke into our home. The police told us that, if my 's study door had not been closed, they could have hurt me. I was resting in bed, and I heard footsteps coming up the stairs. I thought that it was coming home, but when I said, "Hi ", the one man said, "I'm outa here!" They had come through the patio doors, and my legal bag was right there on the table with all my credit cards and money in it. We think that they were after my documents that are so damning. At this time, I was bedridden and could not turn over very quickly...but I did call 911 and the police came fast. One of the policemen held me while the others had their dogs check out our yard and those of our neighbours. They even closed down our block and would not let anyone enter their homes. Now, we think that they are watching me again because of my big mouth.... Help!

Please be careful not to mention any manufacturers' names, because you put yourself in danger...these people are very powerful. They threatened Dr. Guidoin. He told me that they sprayed foam all over his lawn, and then the wind came up and blew it onto his neighbours' lawns, making them angry at him. He has been to our home several times, and he is an Angel. He almost lost his tenured position at Universite Laval in Quebec, and he had to take down his research material, which was all on Tony's website. He is back at Laval, but he cannot help us anymore. Our Dr. Blais has to be very careful as well. This makes me so angry, I will never understand this mess. After what I have seen over the years, I am convinced that there is definitely a "Silkwood" factor to all this.

There is so much more about women being bought and working with the big boys. I have had women call me and threaten me! This would make a good book, but I have been warned about writing a book. Any offers?

Take care honey....love always............Lea

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Lea,

That is horrible, why the gag? I guessed it so woman could not be warned and find out the truth by hearing your horrible story and journey that you had to go through. That is amazing in itself that they would try to run your life as though they have a say in freedom of speech or something. I guess they think they are God or something and own us if we get implants. I was interested in the Research you was just talking of from Dr. Blais, regarding different studies he had done. He tested my implants, states there are mycobacteria characteristics? I would love to find out more on that issue itself actually. Rogene wrote me back some but it was a little bit of a different name, so is this the same bacteria? I hope you are doing good and I am glad that you are here anyway even though they gagged you. Keep up the good work and God will give you many crowns for your good deeds someday. God Bless!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Donna

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Darling Rogene:

has just brought up the trailer on this movie, on our computer. We plan on getting it out, because it sounds very interesting. Thank you for all of you support and love...this group is a winner.

Sending love always.......Lea

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Rogene,

Wow that is scary, even death. Money I guess is powerful enough to make someone do this to someone. It is crazy though. What if you refuse the gag order? I was also wondering if you or anyone knew anything on the depro vera shot my daughter got this shot it stops your periods, etc. so you can't get pregnant. She has been off this shot for sometime and swears it has made her sick, anxiety, depression, etc. I am trying to find something to see what I can do to help her. This is getting a little out of hand the FDA approving this stuff is hurting so many of us and our children. Within the last year I find out my implants are making me sick, then my niece is sick from her iud mirena, now my daughter with depro vera. This is out of hand.

Donna

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You may want to do some background reading before seeing the movie . . . otherwise it will seem pretty fragmented. I recommend "American Dynasty" - It's a hard read though - However it refers to other books that may present an even better background.

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Rogene,

Wow that is scary, even death. Money I guess is powerful enough to make someone do this to someone. It is crazy though. What if you refuse the gag order? I was also wondering if you or anyone knew anything on the depro vera shot my daughter got this shot it stops your periods, etc. so you can't get pregnant. She has been off this shot for sometime and swears it has made her sick, anxiety, depression, etc. I am trying to find something to see what I can do to help her. This is getting a little out of hand the FDA approving this stuff is hurting so many of us and our children. Within the last year I find out my implants are making me sick, then my niece is sick from her iud mirena, now my daughter with depro vera. This is out of hand.

Donna

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Rogene,

I do believe they are wanting us all on drugs and living in the doctors offices. I am living proof of that. I didn't know of the books and I will check into them. I wonder if you ever had a burning ankle, only the left side, it is red in color and burns daily. Have you ever heard of any other woman with breast implants get this? If so what do I do to rid the symptom.

Donna

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Lea,

I would love to write a book, it would be very good for people to read something to get warned. Not only are they making us very sick, they are threatening us as if they own our bodies now. It makes me furious and I believe everything you are saying is true. Keep up the great work and I pray they will leave you alone and go on with there sick selves. They are killing woman daily and one day they will have to answer to God and I sure am glad I am not them. God Bless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Donna

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Lynda,

I don't have a neurologist and unfortunately I don't have the money and most want $400.00 first visit and a four month waiting period. Can you explain exactly what that might be and is there any medicine to rid it?? I know this is all from my implants and I had mycobacteria growing in me for a long time. I just can't shake this stuff out of my body. It is awful they do this to woman and there is no cure. Even if they had medicine should we take it? Should we ever trust anything the FDA approves? At this time I do not. I just wondered if other woman experienced this same pain and red ankle stuff. It is only the left ankle not both sides, so weird, mysterious illness. I am scared to go to the web MD checker it will say I have every disease known to man when I put in my symptoms. I am trying to tell myself and make myself believe I am not sick and I don't have these diseases from my implants. It is scary to think of period. I just think I need reassurance that other woman had this and it went away with detoxify or it needs more time, etc. It seems you take a step forward and two steps back with these illnesses from implants. It is hard to deal with the fact that I was so healthy now so sick. I am climbing a mountain I get to the top and get kicked back down. I have to summit and get over the top and start descent. I just can't get there after my implants been out for 7 months and still not well and it seems when I start my period it get's so much worse. I just need to know if other woman have this and how they detoxify to rid of it, or if a neurologist would be able to give me a quick fix? I don't think this exist and this is why they need to stop playing games with these deadly breast implant. It is quick money for PS, but no quick fix for the patient. How sad it took a PS an hour and a half to destroy my life, take my health and now I am stuck in the mud, broke, sick and no way to even buy medication, nor able to afford a doctor, not as though there is any with a quick remedy. Thanks for your post and God Bless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Donna

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Hello, My niece is very intellegent, honor student, etc. She had her first child and afterwards a GYN inserted the IUD Mirena. She was having symptoms from it and the GYN blamed Post Partum depression. My niece was very sick even suicidal at points. She is a nurse so I had her come over to take out my pain pump when I had explant back May 06. She asked me "Donna how did you find out it was your implants making you sick? I told her I had surfed the net and found a support group. She went home and surfed the net on the IUD Mirena, she found others who had the same symptoms as her. She went to the doctor, I was not even aware at this time, she didn't call me since I had just had surgery, he took out her IUD and she requested it back and he threw it in the garbage. She went to a birthday party and one of her friend was there and she also had a iud and was sick like my niece. She also had her removed asked for it back and they threw it in the garbage. I can only ask you to please make your doctor to put it in writing that you will get it back immediately after removal. You are awake at that time to watch him. I am curious as to what was growing on these girls IUD Mirena's and would be willing to help you to see how we could get it tested for bacteria, etc. I referred my niece to MILLENNIUM HEALTHCARE her doctor did the detox protocol over the phone. My niece did the protocol and is much better, yet not well. It has been 7 months since she had it removed. She is going to start, infra red sauna treatment, ionike foot bath and colon hydro therapy to try to rid her body of the toxins. It is basically the same treatment for implant sicknesses as well. We share a lot of the same symptoms, my niece and I. I also have a daughter who was poisoned by the deprovera shot, birth control. It is a shame this goes on and I hope you get to see your IUD Mirena and what is such a secret to most woman with them. I would also be curious to know what you find out regarding that so it may help my niece. I told her if you made the GYN put it in writing and he refuses then it is on him. I pray you get it removed as soon as possible and give millennium healthcare a call at 1-770-390-0012 and they can do this over the phone. My niece did the protocol and watched her diet to get better. She then stopped the whole protocol and tried just one mucinex a day and did feel not so tired she said, then she stopped the mucinex and the fatigue came back, so now she is retrying the mucinex protocol. It can be read at Fibromyalgia Treatment Center / Guaifenesin Protocol everything they say honestly happens on this protocol. You will relive your symptoms slightly for a few weeks after that they seem to disapear one by one, make sure you don't stop the treatment to soon though. Do you also have implants if so silicone or saline? Good Luck!!

God Bless You!!!!!!!!

Donna

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I am going to forward this to my niece maybe she can also help you out.

Donna

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Lea,

Let's pray for that miracle it is not impossible. I think that is our only hope to pray to our God daily to put a stop to these people who are only greedy for money and fortune. God Bless!!!!!!!!!!!!

Donna