Re: A voice from the past, with a few q's

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Bindi, You should be feeling better by now. Most of us have bad days occasionally . . . It's been over twelve years since I had my explant, and I still have problems if I don't stick with my program . . . Those who continue to have severe problems usually find out their capsules are still there. . . Do you know for sure your capsules were removed? A couple things to check - do a websearch. . . Celic disease . . . mycoplasma bacteria, thyroid disorders, etc. Have you checked with a doctor regarding the vertigo? Hugs, Rogene

[Guest guest]

Rogene,

I had my implants removed en bloc by Melmed in Dallas. The implants

were not ruptured(I still have 'em!), the capsules were analyzed and

were complete. I also had a platinum toxicity test and it came back

negative. I've had my thyroid levels tested several times (always

normal)and I pretty sure I don't have celiac disease-- at least I

don't think I do-- I don't have the typical signs and my blood

levels for the most common vitamins are normal.

I did have many tests when I first had vertigo and the doctors all

gave different diagnoses, none of which fit. This was back when I

had the implants.

I'm pretty sure about the FMS diagnosis, as I have the " tender

points " that confirm a positive diagnosis. There is a type of

vertigo that supposedly is common to people with FMS, and I am

curious if that is what I'm experiencing.

I'm disappointed not to be improving any more than I am, but then

again I was on the sicker end of the spectrum when I had the

implants, so maybe I have a longer way to go than some? I don't know.

All I know is I'm SO done with feeling cruddy. It's been 2 YEARS.

Bindi

>

> Bindi,

>

> You should be feeling better by now. Most of us have bad days

occasionally . . . It's been over twelve years since I had my

explant, and I still have problems if I don't stick with my

program . . .

>

> Those who continue to have severe problems usually find out

their capsules are still there. . . Do you know for sure your

capsules were removed?

>

> A couple things to check - do a websearch. . . Celic

disease . . . mycoplasma bacteria, thyroid disorders, etc. Have you

checked with a doctor regarding the vertigo?

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

,

You may still have an easier time yet-- it hasn't been too long

since your explant.

Did you have vertigo when you had the implants? How has it changed?

Vertigo was my worse symptom when I had implants. I was so sick I

could not read, drive, cook, many days I hardly got out of bed. I've

been doing better since explant but nowhere near what I was before--

still can't do too much or I get exhausted. And now this dizziness...

It must be challenging with the large family you have, but I imagine

the older ones help out alot with the little ones.

Bindi

--- In , " jdebolt@... " <jdebolt@...>

wrote:

>

> I explanted June of this year, and so far my experience has been

just like yours. I too wonder if I am going to struggle with this

for the rest of my life. I look in the mirror, and it is not myself

that I see. I also have wondered why now.....and why does it seem

like a step forward...and then many steps back. I especially

struggle with the vertigo, and nausea and fatigue.

> I know, Rogene at least, has taken a long time,and it was a long

road to recovery. It is a journey that is never complete, I think.

> Hang in there. There is always awesome support here.

>

> , married to DH Mark

> Momma to four girly girls~

> 16 Kaitlyn 13 Bethany 10 Kylie 2

> and three awesome boys~

> Branden 20 Justen 18 and Ethan 2

>

> STOP TELLING GOD HOW BIG YOUR STORM IS.

> INSTEAD, TELL THE STORM HOW BIG YOUR GOD IS.

> A voice from the past, with a few q's

>

>

> Haven't posted for awhile, but have read messages from time to

time.

> Hopefully everyone who'd had their implants out around the time

that

> I did(last Fall, as well as the rest of you,are doing well and

> continuing to improve.

> I am not doing too good and hoped I might compare my healing

with

> others. After explant I had some improvement, but then seemed to

> plateau, and continued to experience what now seems to be fibro-

like

> symptoms (fatigue, widespread muscle pain, disturbed sleep,

> dizziness, etc). I did notice that stress made things worse.

I've

> been just trying to ride with it,trying to take care of myself.

Then

> I went on a trip to visit some family, about 5 hours away, and

was

> there for three days. The day after I returned, I woke up with

> TERRIBLE vertigo, which I have had for four days now. It isn't

as

> bad as when I had the implants but it's pretty debilitating. I

am

> stumped. Why now? What has been the experience of others,

several

> months after explant? Are all of you recovering well or is it

just

> me? Has anyone else found they continue to have " fibro-like "

> symptoms, and is there hope for them to go away? I've been

pretty

> good about my diet, supplements, exercise, but it seems like I

can't

> deviate from my quotidian routine without a backlash of

symptoms.

> Anyway, thank you all for listening. I guess I'm just fishing

for

> some light at the end of the tunnel!

> Thanks!

> Bindi

>

[Guest guest]

I explanted June of this year, and so far my experience has been just like yours. I too wonder if I am going to struggle with this for the rest of my life. I look in the mirror, and it is not myself that I see. I also have wondered why now.....and why does it seem like a step forward...and then many steps back. I especially struggle with the vertigo, and nausea and fatigue.

I know, Rogene at least, has taken a long time,and it was a long road to recovery. It is a journey that is never complete, I think.

Hang in there. There is always awesome support here.

, married to DH MarkMomma to four girly girls~ 16 Kaitlyn 13 Bethany 10 Kylie 2and three awesome boys~Branden 20 Justen 18 and Ethan 2

STOP TELLING GOD HOW BIG YOUR STORM IS.INSTEAD, TELL THE STORM HOW BIG YOUR GOD IS.

A voice from the past, with a few q's

Haven't posted for awhile, but have read messages from time to time. Hopefully everyone who'd had their implants out around the time that I did(last Fall, as well as the rest of you,are doing well and continuing to improve. I am not doing too good and hoped I might compare my healing with others. After explant I had some improvement, but then seemed to plateau, and continued to experience what now seems to be fibro-like symptoms (fatigue, widespread muscle pain, disturbed sleep, dizziness, etc). I did notice that stress made things worse. I've been just trying to ride with it,trying to take care of myself. Then I went on a trip to visit some family, about 5 hours away, and was there for three days. The day after I returned, I woke up with TERRIBLE vertigo, which I have had for four days now. It isn't as bad as when I had the implants but it's pretty debilitating. I am stumped. Why now? What has been the experience of others, several months after explant? Are all of you recovering well or is it just me? Has anyone else found they continue to have "fibro-like" symptoms, and is there hope for them to go away? I've been pretty good about my diet, supplements, exercise, but it seems like I can't deviate from my quotidian routine without a backlash of symptoms. Anyway, thank you all for listening. I guess I'm just fishing for some light at the end of the tunnel!Thanks!Bindi

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the suggestion on a wellness diary, Rogene. I used to

keep one back when I was really ill, and then got too depressed to

continue. But I'll try it again and see what I discover.

>

> Oh Bindi . . . I know!

>

> You might try keeping a journal of everything you eat, exercise,

sleep, supplements, stress, etc. and how you feel. It may take a

while, but if your symptoms are waxing and waning, you may find the

answer there.

>

> Many of our women are chemically sensitive. . . You might try

staying away from petroleum, tobacco, most cleaning chemicals,

artificial scents, fabric softerners, pesticides, etc. to see if

that helps. The Maker's Diet is outstanding for restoring health.

>

> Have you worked any detox programs? . ..

>

> I'm into a really busy time . .. so if I can't answer, please

understand . .. I'm sure some of the ladies here can help.

>

> Hugs and prayers,

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

I think the majority of us eventually get better, or at least

improve. If the source of the toxicity in our bodies stays there,

then we just continue to develop new symptoms. I had my implants

for six months and literally every week there was a new symptom.

Since I've had them removed, it has gotten much better. It's been

less than one year, and I'm certainly not where I was before I got

implants, however since I've gotten them removed the " new symptom a

week " thing is gone, and alot of the old symptoms went away. The

joint swelling is my biggest problem, but that's not nearly as bad

as it was when I had implants. There are no guarantees that you'll

be miraculously cured once the implants are removed, remember they

did damage to your body, but I am at peace knowing they're out.

Sis

> > >

> > > Bindi,

> > >

> > > You should be feeling better by now. Most of us have bad days

> >occasionally . . . It's been over twelve years since I had my

> >explant, and I still have problems if I don't stick with my

> >program . . .

> > >

> > > Those who continue to have severe problems usually find out

> >their capsules are still there. . . Do you know for sure your

> >capsules were removed?

> > >

> > > A couple things to check - do a websearch. . . Celic

> >disease . . . mycoplasma bacteria, thyroid disorders, etc. Have

you

> >checked with a doctor regarding the vertigo?

> > >

> > > Hugs,

> > >

> > > Rogene

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help.

>

><http://us.rd./evt=41244/*http://smallbusiness./>Y

ahoo!

> >Small Business.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Bindi,

I am also having trouble with my fibro, I was explanted last August

24. All of neuro problems went away during that time, which I am so

completely grateful for,but I still have really bad fatigue, neck

pain,hip and back pain as well as migraines again. I guess if I had

to choose of course I would still do explant I think it just takes

some of longer, depending on how long and how severe our illness is,

also I still have a partial capsule remaining. So I won't know for

sure until I have that surgery UGH

Terri P

>

> Haven't posted for awhile, but have read messages from time to

time.

> Hopefully everyone who'd had their implants out around the time

that

> I did(last Fall, as well as the rest of you,are doing well and

> continuing to improve.

> I am not doing too good and hoped I might compare my healing with

> others. After explant I had some improvement, but then seemed to

> plateau, and continued to experience what now seems to be fibro-

like

> symptoms (fatigue, widespread muscle pain, disturbed sleep,

> dizziness, etc). I did notice that stress made things worse. I've

> been just trying to ride with it,trying to take care of myself.

Then

> I went on a trip to visit some family, about 5 hours away, and was

> there for three days. The day after I returned, I woke up with

> TERRIBLE vertigo, which I have had for four days now. It isn't as

> bad as when I had the implants but it's pretty debilitating. I am

> stumped. Why now? What has been the experience of others, several

> months after explant? Are all of you recovering well or is it just

> me? Has anyone else found they continue to have " fibro-like "

> symptoms, and is there hope for them to go away? I've been pretty

> good about my diet, supplements, exercise, but it seems like I

can't

> deviate from my quotidian routine without a backlash of symptoms.

> Anyway, thank you all for listening. I guess I'm just fishing for

> some light at the end of the tunnel!

> Thanks!

> Bindi

>

[Guest guest]

Lenya,

I don't remember hearing anyone was actually worse after explant,

Some of us just aren't back 100%

but I think most have had some improvement. The girls are right it

also depends on your lifestyle and eating habits, mine were not good

at all I hadn't been able to excersice and didn't know about detox or

removing the capsules. It is not so simple and I hope you don't talk

your self out of the surgery . I know I would have only gotten worse

not a chance at all of getting better with them still in their, doing

their damage, I am a work in progress but having my memory and brain

function back is everything. Don't get discouraged.You know more than

some of us did at time of explant.

Terri P

> >

> > Bindi,

> >

> > You should be feeling better by now. Most of us have bad days

> occasionally . . . It's been over twelve years since I had my

> explant, and I still have problems if I don't stick with my

> program . . .

> >

> > Those who continue to have severe problems usually find out

> their capsules are still there. . . Do you know for sure your

> capsules were removed?

> >

> > A couple things to check - do a websearch. . . Celic

> disease . . . mycoplasma bacteria, thyroid disorders, etc. Have you

> checked with a doctor regarding the vertigo?

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> > Rogene

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help.

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>

[Guest guest]

Bindi, That's too bad. What a horrible thing to have come back! There are a couple of things that I would question first, but here are my suggestions, based on my experience. First of all, I would make sure the capsules were entirely removed. Once that is known, then you move on to detoxing efforts. There are two steps to detoxification. Stopping the inflow of toxins into your body, and increasing the outflow of toxins from your body. To stop the inflow, it will be important to eliminate all prescription drugs or as many as you possibly can. All prescription drugs are toxic. I realize that there are many women who need to control symptoms, but taking drugs consistently to ease symptoms will delay long term healing, so you have to weigh the pro's and cons of taking them. I chose to take

NONE. There are also supplements that can be toxic if taken in large quantities, and personal hygience or grooming aids and cosmetics that are also toxic when slathered on the skin or used for cleansing. A good rule of thumb is not to put anything on your skin that you wouldn't put in your mouth. Cleaning up your diet to eliminate processed and pesticide/hormone laden foods is important. There are many more things you can do, but this is the general idea. Once you have stopped the inflow, you can focus on pushing toxins out of your body. You can do this by increasing sweating, fasting, doing colon cleanses and parasite cleanses, rebounding, deep breathing, exercises to move them out, and more. I found that I had plateau'd myself, at around 2 years post explant, so I began a routine of fasting that proved to be just the thing I needed to do. Sometimes you have to force your body to move deeper into

the inner layers of toxicity to reach them and get them moving outward. Especially if you are fatigued and not getting around well. Finally, once you are cleaned out, then you can focus on rebuilding the body with healthy cells, by providing purely nutritious foods. Juicing is excellent for this. You will also want to provide those enzymes needed to gobble up wastes and metabolic products, and also provide probiotics to build a healthy gut flora. Additionally, you can add supplements that focus on having anti-viral and antii-microbial properties to keep viral, fungal and bacterial loads under control. If you have not gotten into much detoxification, you may want to look at various therapies that are available, and make sure you are assisting your body in its quest to regain health with immune system supporting supplements that are of high

quality. Pattyfreebindi <bindi@...> wrote: Haven't posted for awhile, but have read messages from time to time. Hopefully everyone who'd had their implants out around the time that I did(last Fall, as well as the rest of you,are doing well and continuing to improve. I am not doing too good and hoped I might compare my healing with others. After explant I had some improvement, but then seemed to plateau, and continued to experience what now seems to be fibro-like symptoms

(fatigue, widespread muscle pain, disturbed sleep, dizziness, etc). I did notice that stress made things worse. I've been just trying to ride with it,trying to take care of myself. Then I went on a trip to visit some family, about 5 hours away, and was there for three days. The day after I returned, I woke up with TERRIBLE vertigo, which I have had for four days now. It isn't as bad as when I had the implants but it's pretty debilitating. I am stumped. Why now? What has been the experience of others, several months after explant? Are all of you recovering well or is it just me? Has anyone else found they continue to have "fibro-like" symptoms, and is there hope for them to go away? I've been pretty good about my diet, supplements, exercise, but it seems like I can't deviate from my quotidian routine without a backlash of symptoms. Anyway, thank you all for listening. I guess I'm just fishing for some light at the end

of the tunnel!Thanks!Bindi

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Patty,

Thanks for the helpful tips. I did have the capsules removed, thank goodness, and thoroughly analyzed by a lab-- Melmed always does this.

What I do to recover is pretty basic: Eat a really clean diet (organic, just a little fish and chicken, green tea, lots of antioxidant rich foods). I take some supplements but not a lot (a multi, fish oil, ashwaganda). I was taking modified citrus pectin for its chelating properties, in case I had any heavy metals in my system, but stopped for awhile. I walk for 45 minutes every day and lift weights 3 times a week. I haven't gotten to the cardio level of exercise yet-- even the walking makes me really tired, but I've been doing it rain or shine, since I was sick with the implants. (Before I was sick I was very athletic). I also meditate for about 20 minutes every morning.

I generally don't take any meds, have always been leery of them, though I did take meclizine for one day about a week ago when I first got the vertigo again, but haven't had anymore.

I do know I have a weak liver-- if I drink any amount of alcohol, or coffee, I would get dizzy. One little confession: Two days before I got this bad episode of vertigo, I was at a send-off party for a friend's daughter, and I had two beers. (Bad, I know, but I just wanted to relax and celebrate for a change). The next day I was a little dizzy, but the following day, BAM! Full blown vertigo. I don't know if it is related to the beer or not.

I don't know if you "believe" in a fibro diagnosis, but that is what my doc gave me, based on my symptoms and the 18 tender points. It's a discouraging diagnosis, because there is supposedly "no cure." I don't know what to believe. All I know is I am exhausted and in pain most of the time, and now dizzy too.

I haven't tried fasting or sweats or enemas or anything specific for detoxing. At this point I feel so dizzy and weak I'm not sure how much I could do. I'm hoping for the dizziness to back off a bit, though it could take some time. Rebounding would be scary right now-- I'd lose my lunch for sure! But your advice is well taken, and I think about how to work it into my life. Juicing would be easy, and I do have a juicer.

Thanks!

Bindi

Thanks

Re: A voice from the past, with a few q's

Bindi,

That's too bad. What a horrible thing to have come back!

There are a couple of things that I would question first, but here are my suggestions, based on my experience.

First of all, I would make sure the capsules were entirely removed. Once that is known, then you move on to detoxing efforts.

There are two steps to detoxification. Stopping the inflow of toxins into your body, and increasing the outflow of toxins from your body.

To stop the inflow, it will be important to eliminate all prescription drugs or as many as you possibly can. All prescription drugs are toxic. I realize that there are many women who need to control symptoms, but taking drugs consistently to ease symptoms will delay long term healing, so you have to weigh the pro's and cons of taking them. I chose to take NONE. There are also supplements that can be toxic if taken in large quantities, and personal hygience or grooming aids and cosmetics that are also toxic when slathered on the skin or used for cleansing. A good rule of thumb is not to put anything on your skin that you wouldn't put in your mouth. Cleaning up your diet to eliminate processed and pesticide/hormone laden foods is important. There are many more things you can do, but this is the general idea.

Once you have stopped the inflow, you can focus on pushing toxins out of your body. You can do this by increasing sweating, fasting, doing colon cleanses and parasite cleanses, rebounding, deep breathing, exercises to move them out, and more. I found that I had plateau'd myself, at around 2 years post explant, so I began a routine of fasting that proved to be just the thing I needed to do. Sometimes you have to force your body to move deeper into the inner layers of toxicity to reach them and get them moving outward. Especially if you are fatigued and not getting around well.

Finally, once you are cleaned out, then you can focus on rebuilding the body with healthy cells, by providing purely nutritious foods. Juicing is excellent for this. You will also want to provide those enzymes needed to gobble up wastes and metabolic products, and also provide probiotics to build a healthy gut flora.

Additionally, you can add supplements that focus on having anti-viral and antii-microbial properties to keep viral, fungal and bacterial loads under control.

If you have not gotten into much detoxification, you may want to look at various therapies that are available, and make sure you are assisting your body in its quest to regain health with immune system supporting supplements that are of high quality.

Pattyfreebindi <bindiaaahawk> wrote:

Haven't posted for awhile, but have read messages from time to time. Hopefully everyone who'd had their implants out around the time that I did(last Fall, as well as the rest of you,are doing well and continuing to improve. I am not doing too good and hoped I might compare my healing with others. After explant I had some improvement, but then seemed to plateau, and continued to experience what now seems to be fibro-like symptoms (fatigue, widespread muscle pain, disturbed sleep, dizziness, etc). I did notice that stress made things worse. I've been just trying to ride with it,trying to take care of myself. Then I went on a trip to visit some family, about 5 hours away, and was there for three days. The day after I returned, I woke up with TERRIBLE vertigo, which I have had for four days now. It isn't as bad as when I had the implants but it's pretty debilitating. I am stumped. Why now? What has been the experience of others, several months after explant? Are all of you recovering well or is it just me? Has anyone else found they continue to have "fibro-like" symptoms, and is there hope for them to go away? I've been pretty good about my diet, supplements, exercise, but it seems like I can't deviate from my quotidian routine without a backlash of symptoms. Anyway, thank you all for listening. I guess I'm just fishing for some light at the end of the tunnel!Thanks!Bindi

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Bindi, If you really wanted to rebound, you could always buy one of those arm things that sit on the ground that you grip for balance. Or just do like I have to do (I have vertigo too), and hold onto the wall or whatever is around.freebindi <bindi@...> wrote: Patty, Thanks for the helpful tips. I did have the capsules removed, thank goodness, and thoroughly analyzed by a lab-- Melmed always does this.

What I do to recover is pretty basic: Eat a really clean diet (organic, just a little fish and chicken, green tea, lots of antioxidant rich foods). I take some supplements but not a lot (a multi, fish oil, ashwaganda). I was taking modified citrus pectin for its chelating properties, in case I had any heavy metals in my system, but stopped for awhile. I walk for 45 minutes every day and lift weights 3 times a week. I haven't gotten to the cardio level of exercise yet-- even the walking makes me really tired, but I've been doing it rain or shine, since I was sick with the implants. (Before I was sick I was very athletic). I also meditate for about 20 minutes every morning. I generally don't take any meds, have always been leery of them, though I did take meclizine for one day

about a week ago when I first got the vertigo again, but haven't had anymore. I do know I have a weak liver-- if I drink any amount of alcohol, or coffee, I would get dizzy. One little confession: Two days before I got this bad episode of vertigo, I was at a send-off party for a friend's daughter, and I had two beers. (Bad, I know, but I just wanted to relax and celebrate for a change). The next day I was a little dizzy, but the following day, BAM! Full blown vertigo. I don't know if it is related to the beer or not. I don't know if you "believe" in a fibro diagnosis, but that is what my doc gave me, based on my symptoms and the 18 tender points. It's a discouraging diagnosis, because there is supposedly "no cure." I don't know what to believe. All I know is I am exhausted and in

pain most of the time, and now dizzy too. I haven't tried fasting or sweats or enemas or anything specific for detoxing. At this point I feel so dizzy and weak I'm not sure how much I could do. I'm hoping for the dizziness to back off a bit, though it could take some time. Rebounding would be scary right now-- I'd lose my lunch for sure! But your advice is well taken, and I think about how to work it into my life. Juicing would be easy, and I do have a juicer. Thanks! Bindi Thanks ----- Original

Message ----- From: Tricia Trish Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 11:41 PM Subject: Re: A voice from the past, with a few q's Bindi, That's too bad. What a horrible thing to have come back! There are a couple of things that I would question first, but here are my suggestions, based on my experience. First of all, I would make sure the capsules were entirely removed. Once that is known, then you move on to detoxing

efforts. There are two steps to detoxification. Stopping the inflow of toxins into your body, and increasing the outflow of toxins from your body. To stop the inflow, it will be important to eliminate all prescription drugs or as many as you possibly can. All prescription drugs are toxic. I realize that there are many women who need to control symptoms, but taking drugs consistently to ease symptoms will delay long term healing, so you have to weigh the pro's and cons of taking them. I chose to take NONE. There are also supplements that can be toxic if taken in large quantities, and personal hygience or grooming aids and cosmetics that are also toxic when slathered on the skin or used for cleansing. A good rule of thumb is not to put anything on your skin that you wouldn't put in your mouth. Cleaning up your diet to eliminate processed and pesticide/hormone

laden foods is important. There are many more things you can do, but this is the general idea. Once you have stopped the inflow, you can focus on pushing toxins out of your body. You can do this by increasing sweating, fasting, doing colon cleanses and parasite cleanses, rebounding, deep breathing, exercises to move them out, and more. I found that I had plateau'd myself, at around 2 years post explant, so I began a routine of fasting that proved to be just the thing I needed to do. Sometimes you have to force your body to move deeper into the inner layers of toxicity to reach them and get them moving outward. Especially if you are fatigued and not getting around well. Finally, once you are cleaned out, then you can focus on rebuilding the body with healthy cells, by providing purely nutritious foods. Juicing is excellent for this. You will also want to provide

those enzymes needed to gobble up wastes and metabolic products, and also provide probiotics to build a healthy gut flora. Additionally, you can add supplements that focus on having anti-viral and antii-microbial properties to keep viral, fungal and bacterial loads under control. If you have not gotten into much detoxification, you may want to look at various therapies that are available, and make sure you are assisting your body in its quest to regain health with immune system supporting supplements that are of high quality. Pattyfreebindi <bindiaaahawk> wrote: Haven't posted for awhile, but have read messages from time to time. Hopefully everyone who'd had their implants out around the time that I did(last Fall, as well as

the rest of you,are doing well and continuing to improve. I am not doing too good and hoped I might compare my healing with others. After explant I had some improvement, but then seemed to plateau, and continued to experience what now seems to be fibro-like symptoms (fatigue, widespread muscle pain, disturbed sleep, dizziness, etc). I did notice that stress made things worse. I've been just trying to ride with it,trying to take care of myself. Then I went on a trip to visit some family, about 5 hours away, and was there for three days. The day after I returned, I woke up with TERRIBLE vertigo, which I have had for four days now. It isn't as bad as when I had the implants but it's pretty debilitating. I am stumped. Why now? What has been the experience of others, several months after explant? Are all of you recovering well or is it just me? Has anyone else found they continue to have "fibro-like" symptoms, and is

there hope for them to go away? I've been pretty good about my diet, supplements, exercise, but it seems like I can't deviate from my quotidian routine without a backlash of symptoms. Anyway, thank you all for listening. I guess I'm just fishing for some light at the end of the tunnel!Thanks!Bindi Get your email and more, right on the new .com

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Leyna,

Did you have any health issues before implants?

Try not to get discouraged about getting them out. Believe me, I was MUCH WORSE when I had the implants in. Seriously, I was so sick I was planning my funeral (trying to decide between a Balkan brass band and Congolese Rhumba)! I couldn't drive, read, wash a dish, do anything. I was in agony. I thought I couldn't go on living. I couldn't do anything for my daughter. It was hell.

I am bellyaching because I want to be well NOW, and I'm frustrated with getting vertigo again. But I am nowhere near as sick as I was with implants. If I were you, I'd get them out and hope that the insurance company reimburses you. Your health is your wealth. You don't want to have a longer recovery than you have to! You'll be so dang glad you did, I promise.

Bindi

Re: A voice from the past, with a few q's

Bindi,

That's too bad. What a horrible thing to have come back!

There are a couple of things that I would question first, but here are my suggestions, based on my experience.

First of all, I would make sure the capsules were entirely removed. Once that is known, then you move on to detoxing efforts.

There are two steps to detoxification. Stopping the inflow of toxins into your body, and increasing the outflow of toxins from your body.

To stop the inflow, it will be important to eliminate all prescription drugs or as many as you possibly can. All prescription drugs are toxic. I realize that there are many women who need to control symptoms, but taking drugs consistently to ease symptoms will delay long term healing, so you have to weigh the pro's and cons of taking them. I chose to take NONE. There are also supplements that can be toxic if taken in large quantities, and personal hygience or grooming aids and cosmetics that are also toxic when slathered on the skin or used for cleansing. A good rule of thumb is not to put anything on your skin that you wouldn't put in your mouth. Cleaning up your diet to eliminate processed and pesticide/hormone laden foods is important. There are many more things you can do, but this is the general idea.

Once you have stopped the inflow, you can focus on pushing toxins out of your body. You can do this by increasing sweating, fasting, doing colon cleanses and parasite cleanses, rebounding, deep breathing, exercises to move them out, and more. I found that I had plateau'd myself, at around 2 years post explant, so I began a routine of fasting that proved to be just the thing I needed to do. Sometimes you have to force your body to move deeper into the inner layers of toxicity to reach them and get them moving outward. Especially if you are fatigued and not getting around well.

Finally, once you are cleaned out, then you can focus on rebuilding the body with healthy cells, by providing purely nutritious foods. Juicing is excellent for this. You will also want to provide those enzymes needed to gobble up wastes and metabolic products, and also provide probiotics to build a healthy gut flora.

Additionally, you can add supplements that focus on having anti-viral and antii-microbial properties to keep viral, fungal and bacterial loads under control.

If you have not gotten into much detoxification, you may want to look at various therapies that are available, and make sure you are assisting your body in its quest to regain health with immune system supporting supplements that are of high quality.

Pattyfreebindi <bindiaaahawk> wrote:

Haven't posted for awhile, but have read messages from time to time. Hopefully everyone who'd had their implants out around the time that I did(last Fall, as well as the rest of you,are doing well and continuing to improve. I am not doing too good and hoped I might compare my healing with others. After explant I had some improvement, but then seemed to plateau, and continued to experience what now seems to be fibro-like symptoms (fatigue, widespread muscle pain, disturbed sleep, dizziness, etc). I did notice that stress made things worse. I've been just trying to ride with it,trying to take care of myself. Then I went on a trip to visit some family, about 5 hours away, and was there for three days. The day after I returned, I woke up with TERRIBLE vertigo, which I have had for four days now. It isn't as bad as when I had the implants but it's pretty debilitating. I am stumped. Why now? What has been the experience of others, several months after explant? Are all of you recovering well or is it just me? Has anyone else found they continue to have "fibro-like" symptoms, and is there hope for them to go away? I've been pretty good about my diet, supplements, exercise, but it seems like I can't deviate from my quotidian routine without a backlash of symptoms. Anyway, thank you all for listening. I guess I'm just fishing for some light at the end of the tunnel!Thanks!Bindi

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Bindi, The only health problem I had before implants was Type 1 diabetes, that I've had since I was 12 years old. Well, I'm glad that you are somewhat better since you've had yours out-I hope you can someday have a full recovery! How long has it been since you had them removed? Sorry-I'm too tired and lazy to go back through the messages and check! lolfreebindi <bindi@...> wrote: Leyna, Did you have any health issues before implants? Try not to get discouraged about getting them out. Believe me, I was MUCH WORSE when I had the implants in. Seriously, I was so sick I was planning my funeral (trying to decide between a Balkan brass band and Congolese Rhumba)! I couldn't drive, read, wash a dish, do anything. I was in agony. I thought I couldn't go on living. I couldn't do anything for my daughter. It was hell. I am bellyaching because I want to be well NOW, and I'm frustrated with getting vertigo again. But I am nowhere near as sick as I was with implants. If I were you, I'd get them out and hope that the insurance company reimburses you. Your health is your wealth. You don't want to have a longer recovery than you have to! You'll be so dang glad you did,

I promise. Bindi Re:

A voice from the past, with a few q's Bindi, That's too bad. What a horrible thing to have come back! There are a couple of things that I would question first, but here are my suggestions, based on my experience. First of all, I would make sure the capsules were entirely removed. Once that is known, then you move on to detoxing efforts. There are two steps to detoxification. Stopping the inflow of toxins into your body, and increasing the outflow of toxins from your body. To stop the inflow, it will be important to eliminate all prescription drugs or as many as you possibly can. All prescription drugs are toxic. I realize that there are many women who need to control symptoms, but taking drugs consistently to ease symptoms

will delay long term healing, so you have to weigh the pro's and cons of taking them. I chose to take NONE. There are also supplements that can be toxic if taken in large quantities, and personal hygience or grooming aids and cosmetics that are also toxic when slathered on the skin or used for cleansing. A good rule of thumb is not to put anything on your skin that you wouldn't put in your mouth. Cleaning up your diet to eliminate processed and pesticide/hormone laden foods is important. There are many more things you can do, but this is the general idea. Once you have stopped the inflow, you can focus on pushing toxins out of your body. You can do this by increasing sweating, fasting, doing colon cleanses and parasite cleanses, rebounding, deep breathing, exercises to move them out, and more. I found that I had plateau'd myself, at around 2 years post explant, so I began a routine of fasting

that proved to be just the thing I needed to do. Sometimes you have to force your body to move deeper into the inner layers of toxicity to reach them and get them moving outward. Especially if you are fatigued and not getting around well. Finally, once you are cleaned out, then you can focus on rebuilding the body with healthy cells, by providing purely nutritious foods. Juicing is excellent for this. You will also want to provide those enzymes needed to gobble up wastes and metabolic products, and also provide probiotics to build a healthy gut flora. Additionally, you can add supplements that focus on having anti-viral and antii-microbial properties to keep viral, fungal and bacterial loads under control. If you have not gotten into much detoxification, you may want to look at various therapies that are available, and make sure you are assisting

your body in its quest to regain health with immune system supporting supplements that are of high quality. Pattyfreebindi <bindiaaahawk> wrote: Haven't posted for awhile, but have read messages from time to time. Hopefully everyone who'd had their implants out around the time that I did(last Fall, as well as the rest of you,are doing well and continuing to improve. I am not doing too good and hoped I might compare my healing with others. After explant I had some improvement, but then seemed to plateau, and continued to experience what now seems to be fibro-like symptoms (fatigue, widespread muscle pain, disturbed sleep, dizziness, etc). I did notice that stress made things worse. I've been just trying to ride with it,trying to take care of myself. Then I went on a

trip to visit some family, about 5 hours away, and was there for three days. The day after I returned, I woke up with TERRIBLE vertigo, which I have had for four days now. It isn't as bad as when I had the implants but it's pretty debilitating. I am stumped. Why now? What has been the experience of others, several months after explant? Are all of you recovering well or is it just me? Has anyone else found they continue to have "fibro-like" symptoms, and is there hope for them to go away? I've been pretty good about my diet, supplements, exercise, but it seems like I can't deviate from my quotidian routine without a backlash of symptoms. Anyway, thank you all for listening. I guess I'm just fishing for some light at the end of the tunnel!Thanks!Bindi Get your email and more, right on the new .com How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates.

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I had silicone implants for a little over a year, got sick almost immediately after. I've had them out for ten months now. Except for the recent vertigo, the two main symptoms I still have are fatigue and muscle pain. According to Ed Melmed, the explanting surgeon, this is common for most explanting women-- most of their symptoms go away, but fatigue and pain take longer.

Since you weren't sick before implants, I guess it's a no-brainer about getting them out!

Bindi

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Bindi,

That's too bad. What a horrible thing to have come back!

There are a couple of things that I would question first, but here are my suggestions, based on my experience.

First of all, I would make sure the capsules were entirely removed. Once that is known, then you move on to detoxing efforts.

There are two steps to detoxification. Stopping the inflow of toxins into your body, and increasing the outflow of toxins from your body.

To stop the inflow, it will be important to eliminate all prescription drugs or as many as you possibly can. All prescription drugs are toxic. I realize that there are many women who need to control symptoms, but taking drugs consistently to ease symptoms will delay long term healing, so you have to weigh the pro's and cons of taking them. I chose to take NONE. There are also supplements that can be toxic if taken in large quantities, and personal hygience or grooming aids and cosmetics that are also toxic when slathered on the skin or used for cleansing. A good rule of thumb is not to put anything on your skin that you wouldn't put in your mouth. Cleaning up your diet to eliminate processed and pesticide/hormone laden foods is important. There are many more things you can do, but this is the general idea.

Once you have stopped the inflow, you can focus on pushing toxins out of your body. You can do this by increasing sweating, fasting, doing colon cleanses and parasite cleanses, rebounding, deep breathing, exercises to move them out, and more. I found that I had plateau'd myself, at around 2 years post explant, so I began a routine of fasting that proved to be just the thing I needed to do. Sometimes you have to force your body to move deeper into the inner layers of toxicity to reach them and get them moving outward. Especially if you are fatigued and not getting around well.

Finally, once you are cleaned out, then you can focus on rebuilding the body with healthy cells, by providing purely nutritious foods. Juicing is excellent for this. You will also want to provide those enzymes needed to gobble up wastes and metabolic products, and also provide probiotics to build a healthy gut flora.

Additionally, you can add supplements that focus on having anti-viral and antii-microbial properties to keep viral, fungal and bacterial loads under control.

If you have not gotten into much detoxification, you may want to look at various therapies that are available, and make sure you are assisting your body in its quest to regain health with immune system supporting supplements that are of high quality.

Pattyfreebindi <bindiaaahawk> wrote:

Haven't posted for awhile, but have read messages from time to time. Hopefully everyone who'd had their implants out around the time that I did(last Fall, as well as the rest of you,are doing well and continuing to improve. I am not doing too good and hoped I might compare my healing with others. After explant I had some improvement, but then seemed to plateau, and continued to experience what now seems to be fibro-like symptoms (fatigue, widespread muscle pain, disturbed sleep, dizziness, etc). I did notice that stress made things worse. I've been just trying to ride with it,trying to take care of myself. Then I went on a trip to visit some family, about 5 hours away, and was there for three days. The day after I returned, I woke up with TERRIBLE vertigo, which I have had for four days now. It isn't as bad as when I had the implants but it's pretty debilitating. I am stumped. Why now? What has been the experience of others, several months after explant? Are all of you recovering well or is it just me? Has anyone else found they continue to have "fibro-like" symptoms, and is there hope for them to go away? I've been pretty good about my diet, supplements, exercise, but it seems like I can't deviate from my quotidian routine without a backlash of symptoms. Anyway, thank you all for listening. I guess I'm just fishing for some light at the end of the tunnel!Thanks!Bindi

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Bindi,

Don't worry about the fibro diagnosis. The reasons doctors say there is no

cure is that they don't understand what causes fibro. If they don't

understand the cause, it's hard to have a treatment. It sounds like you

live a very healthy lifestyle and are doing so many things right! If you

know that your liver is sluggish, it is very important that you live on

detox supplements. I have had genetic testing and it reflects that my liver

is weak genetically. I live on detox supplements too. It has made a

tremendous change in my health over the years. Metagenics makes a good

detox supplement that I took for a couple of years, before working up to a

stronger product. Too strong of a detox supplement can make you feel pretty

sick. It is called Adva-Clear. I'd strongly recommend you get on it and

stay on it for quite some time, to strengthen your liver. Once you get

accustomed to it and feel good taking it, I'd consider going on to stronger

products. If your body has a sluggish liver, even the air we breath can be

a burden for it.

Kenda

> Patty,

> Thanks for the helpful tips. I did have the capsules removed, thank goodness,

> and thoroughly analyzed by a lab-- Melmed always does this.

>

> What I do to recover is pretty basic: Eat a really clean diet (organic, just a

> little fish and chicken, green tea, lots of antioxidant rich foods). I take

> some supplements but not a lot (a multi, fish oil, ashwaganda). I was taking

> modified citrus pectin for its chelating properties, in case I had any heavy

> metals in my system, but stopped for awhile. I walk for 45 minutes every day

> and lift weights 3 times a week. I haven't gotten to the cardio level of

> exercise yet-- even the walking makes me really tired, but I've been doing it

> rain or shine, since I was sick with the implants. (Before I was sick I was

> very athletic). I also meditate for about 20 minutes every morning.

>

> I generally don't take any meds, have always been leery of them, though I did

> take meclizine for one day about a week ago when I first got the vertigo

> again, but haven't had anymore.

>

> I do know I have a weak liver-- if I drink any amount of alcohol, or coffee, I

> would get dizzy. One little confession: Two days before I got this bad episode

> of vertigo, I was at a send-off party for a friend's daughter, and I had two

> beers. (Bad, I know, but I just wanted to relax and celebrate for a change).

> The next day I was a little dizzy, but the following day, BAM! Full blown

> vertigo. I don't know if it is related to the beer or not.

>

> I don't know if you " believe " in a fibro diagnosis, but that is what my doc

> gave me, based on my symptoms and the 18 tender points. It's a discouraging

> diagnosis, because there is supposedly " no cure. " I don't know what to

> believe. All I know is I am exhausted and in pain most of the time, and now

> dizzy too.

>

> I haven't tried fasting or sweats or enemas or anything specific for detoxing.

> At this point I feel so dizzy and weak I'm not sure how much I could do. I'm

> hoping for the dizziness to back off a bit, though it could take some time.

> Rebounding would be scary right now-- I'd lose my lunch for sure! But your

> advice is well taken, and I think about how to work it into my life. Juicing

> would be easy, and I do have a juicer.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Bindi

>

> Thanks

> Re: A voice from the past, with a few q's

>

>

>

> Bindi,

> That's too bad. What a horrible thing to have come back!

>

> There are a couple of things that I would question first, but here are my

> suggestions, based on my experience.

>

> First of all, I would make sure the capsules were entirely removed. Once

> that is known, then you move on to detoxing efforts.

>

> There are two steps to detoxification. Stopping the inflow of toxins into

> your body, and increasing the outflow of toxins from your body.

>

>

> To stop the inflow, it will be important to eliminate all prescription drugs

> or as many as you possibly can. All prescription drugs are toxic. I realize

> that there are many women who need to control symptoms, but taking drugs

> consistently to ease symptoms will delay long term healing, so you have to

> weigh the pro's and cons of taking them. I chose to take NONE. There are

> also supplements that can be toxic if taken in large quantities, and personal

> hygience or grooming aids and cosmetics that are also toxic when slathered on

> the skin or used for cleansing. A good rule of thumb is not to put anything

> on your skin that you wouldn't put in your mouth. Cleaning up your diet to

> eliminate processed and pesticide/hormone laden foods is important. There are

> many more things you can do, but this is the general idea.

>

> Once you have stopped the inflow, you can focus on pushing toxins out of

> your body. You can do this by increasing sweating, fasting, doing colon

> cleanses and parasite cleanses, rebounding, deep breathing, exercises to move

> them out, and more. I found that I had plateau'd myself, at around 2 years

> post explant, so I began a routine of fasting that proved to be just the thing

> I needed to do. Sometimes you have to force your body to move deeper into the

> inner layers of toxicity to reach them and get them moving outward.

> Especially if you are fatigued and not getting around well.

>

> Finally, once you are cleaned out, then you can focus on rebuilding the body

> with healthy cells, by providing purely nutritious foods. Juicing is

> excellent for this. You will also want to provide those enzymes needed to

> gobble up wastes and metabolic products, and also provide probiotics to build

> a healthy gut flora.

>

> Additionally, you can add supplements that focus on having anti-viral and

> antii-microbial properties to keep viral, fungal and bacterial loads under

> control.

>

> If you have not gotten into much detoxification, you may want to look at

> various therapies that are available, and make sure you are assisting your

> body in its quest to regain health with immune system supporting supplements

> that are of high quality.

> Patty

>

> freebindi <bindi@...> wrote:

> Haven't posted for awhile, but have read messages from time to time.

> Hopefully everyone who'd had their implants out around the time that

> I did(last Fall, as well as the rest of you,are doing well and

> continuing to improve.

> I am not doing too good and hoped I might compare my healing with

> others. After explant I had some improvement, but then seemed to

> plateau, and continued to experience what now seems to be fibro-like

> symptoms (fatigue, widespread muscle pain, disturbed sleep,

> dizziness, etc). I did notice that stress made things worse. I've

> been just trying to ride with it,trying to take care of myself. Then

> I went on a trip to visit some family, about 5 hours away, and was

> there for three days. The day after I returned, I woke up with

> TERRIBLE vertigo, which I have had for four days now. It isn't as

> bad as when I had the implants but it's pretty debilitating. I am

> stumped. Why now? What has been the experience of others, several

> months after explant? Are all of you recovering well or is it just

> me? Has anyone else found they continue to have " fibro-like "

> symptoms, and is there hope for them to go away? I've been pretty

> good about my diet, supplements, exercise, but it seems like I can't

> deviate from my quotidian routine without a backlash of symptoms.

> Anyway, thank you all for listening. I guess I'm just fishing for

> some light at the end of the tunnel!

> Thanks!

> Bindi

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Kenda,

Thanks for the tips. I will look into the detox supplement you mentioned right away. It sounds like a good thing to try.

Bindi

Re: A voice from the past, with a few q's> > > > Bindi,> That's too bad. What a horrible thing to have come back!> > There are a couple of things that I would question first, but here are my> suggestions, based on my experience.> > First of all, I would make sure the capsules were entirely removed. Once> that is known, then you move on to detoxing efforts.> > There are two steps to detoxification. Stopping the inflow of toxins into> your body, and increasing the outflow of toxins from your body.> > > To stop the inflow, it will be important to eliminate all prescription drugs> or as many as you possibly can. All prescription drugs are toxic. I realize> that there are many women who need to control symptoms, but taking drugs> consistently to ease symptoms will delay long term healing, so you have to> weigh the pro's and cons of taking them. I chose to take NONE. There are> also supplements that can be toxic if taken in large quantities, and personal> hygience or grooming aids and cosmetics that are also toxic when slathered on> the skin or used for cleansing. A good rule of thumb is not to put anything> on your skin that you wouldn't put in your mouth. Cleaning up your diet to> eliminate processed and pesticide/hormone laden foods is important. There are> many more things you can do, but this is the general idea.> > Once you have stopped the inflow, you can focus on pushing toxins out of> your body. You can do this by increasing sweating, fasting, doing colon> cleanses and parasite cleanses, rebounding, deep breathing, exercises to move> them out, and more. I found that I had plateau'd myself, at around 2 years> post explant, so I began a routine of fasting that proved to be just the thing> I needed to do. Sometimes you have to force your body to move deeper into the> inner layers of toxicity to reach them and get them moving outward.> Especially if you are fatigued and not getting around well.> > Finally, once you are cleaned out, then you can focus on rebuilding the body> with healthy cells, by providing purely nutritious foods. Juicing is> excellent for this. You will also want to provide those enzymes needed to> gobble up wastes and metabolic products, and also provide probiotics to build> a healthy gut flora.> > Additionally, you can add supplements that focus on having anti-viral and> antii-microbial properties to keep viral, fungal and bacterial loads under> control.> > If you have not gotten into much detoxification, you may want to look at> various therapies that are available, and make sure you are assisting your> body in its quest to regain health with immune system supporting supplements> that are of high quality.> Patty> > freebindi <bindiaaahawk> wrote:> Haven't posted for awhile, but have read messages from time to time.> Hopefully everyone who'd had their implants out around the time that> I did(last Fall, as well as the rest of you,are doing well and> continuing to improve.> I am not doing too good and hoped I might compare my healing with> others. After explant I had some improvement, but then seemed to> plateau, and continued to experience what now seems to be fibro-like> symptoms (fatigue, widespread muscle pain, disturbed sleep,> dizziness, etc). I did notice that stress made things worse. I've> been just trying to ride with it,trying to take care of myself. Then> I went on a trip to visit some family, about 5 hours away, and was> there for three days. The day after I returned, I woke up with> TERRIBLE vertigo, which I have had for four days now. It isn't as> bad as when I had the implants but it's pretty debilitating. I am> stumped. Why now? What has been the experience of others, several> months after explant? Are all of you recovering well or is it just> me? Has anyone else found they continue to have "fibro-like"> symptoms, and is there hope for them to go away? I've been pretty> good about my diet, supplements, exercise, but it seems like I can't> deviate from my quotidian routine without a backlash of symptoms.> Anyway, thank you all for listening. I guess I'm just fishing for> some light at the end of the tunnel!> Thanks!> Bindi> > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------> Get your email and more, right on the new .com> >

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You're welcome, Bindi. I hope it works as well for you as it did for me.

Kenda

> Kenda,

> Thanks for the tips. I will look into the detox supplement you mentioned right

> away. It sounds like a good thing to try.

> Bindi

>

> Re: A voice from the past, with a few q's

>>

>>

>>

>> Bindi,

>> That's too bad. What a horrible thing to have come back!

>>

>> There are a couple of things that I would question first, but here are my

>> suggestions, based on my experience.

>>

>> First of all, I would make sure the capsules were entirely removed. Once

>> that is known, then you move on to detoxing efforts.

>>

>> There are two steps to detoxification. Stopping the inflow of toxins into

>> your body, and increasing the outflow of toxins from your body.

>>

>>

>> To stop the inflow, it will be important to eliminate all prescription drugs

>> or as many as you possibly can. All prescription drugs are toxic. I realize

>> that there are many women who need to control symptoms, but taking drugs

>> consistently to ease symptoms will delay long term healing, so you have to

>> weigh the pro's and cons of taking them. I chose to take NONE. There are

>> also supplements that can be toxic if taken in large quantities, and personal

>> hygience or grooming aids and cosmetics that are also toxic when slathered on

>> the skin or used for cleansing. A good rule of thumb is not to put anything

>> on your skin that you wouldn't put in your mouth. Cleaning up your diet to

>> eliminate processed and pesticide/hormone laden foods is important. There are

>> many more things you can do, but this is the general idea.

>>

>> Once you have stopped the inflow, you can focus on pushing toxins out of

>> your body. You can do this by increasing sweating, fasting, doing colon

>> cleanses and parasite cleanses, rebounding, deep breathing, exercises to move

>> them out, and more. I found that I had plateau'd myself, at around 2 years

>> post explant, so I began a routine of fasting that proved to be just the

>> thing

>> I needed to do. Sometimes you have to force your body to move deeper into the

>> inner layers of toxicity to reach them and get them moving outward.

>> Especially if you are fatigued and not getting around well.

>>

>> Finally, once you are cleaned out, then you can focus on rebuilding the body

>> with healthy cells, by providing purely nutritious foods. Juicing is

>> excellent for this. You will also want to provide those enzymes needed to

>> gobble up wastes and metabolic products, and also provide probiotics to build

>> a healthy gut flora.

>>

>> Additionally, you can add supplements that focus on having anti-viral and

>> antii-microbial properties to keep viral, fungal and bacterial loads under

>> control.

>>

>> If you have not gotten into much detoxification, you may want to look at

>> various therapies that are available, and make sure you are assisting your

>> body in its quest to regain health with immune system supporting supplements

>> that are of high quality.

>> Patty

>>

>> freebindi <bindi@...> wrote:

>> Haven't posted for awhile, but have read messages from time to time.

>> Hopefully everyone who'd had their implants out around the time that

>> I did(last Fall, as well as the rest of you,are doing well and

>> continuing to improve.

>> I am not doing too good and hoped I might compare my healing with

>> others. After explant I had some improvement, but then seemed to

>> plateau, and continued to experience what now seems to be fibro-like

>> symptoms (fatigue, widespread muscle pain, disturbed sleep,

>> dizziness, etc). I did notice that stress made things worse. I've

>> been just trying to ride with it,trying to take care of myself. Then

>> I went on a trip to visit some family, about 5 hours away, and was

>> there for three days. The day after I returned, I woke up with

>> TERRIBLE vertigo, which I have had for four days now. It isn't as

>> bad as when I had the implants but it's pretty debilitating. I am

>> stumped. Why now? What has been the experience of others, several

>> months after explant? Are all of you recovering well or is it just

>> me? Has anyone else found they continue to have " fibro-like "

>> symptoms, and is there hope for them to go away? I've been pretty

>> good about my diet, supplements, exercise, but it seems like I can't

>> deviate from my quotidian routine without a backlash of symptoms.

>> Anyway, thank you all for listening. I guess I'm just fishing for

>> some light at the end of the tunnel!

>> Thanks!

>> Bindi

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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Bindi,

I had saline and got sick immediately, had mine 6 months, and had

them out 10 months ago, too. I still have fatigue and brain fog,

but the muscle pain has gone away. The bone pain is better, the

joint pain comes and goes, but I'm glad that I at least don't

continue to get worse like I did while I had them.

Sis

The fatigue

> Haven't posted for awhile, but have read messages from

time to time.

> Hopefully everyone who'd had their implants out around

the time that

> I did(last Fall, as well as the rest of you,are doing

well and

> continuing to improve.

> I am not doing too good and hoped I might compare my

healing with

> others. After explant I had some improvement, but then

seemed to

> plateau, and continued to experience what now seems to

be fibro-like

> symptoms (fatigue, widespread muscle pain, disturbed

sleep,

> dizziness, etc). I did notice that stress made things

worse. I've

> been just trying to ride with it,trying to take care

of myself. Then

> I went on a trip to visit some family, about 5 hours

away, and was

> there for three days. The day after I returned, I woke

up with

> TERRIBLE vertigo, which I have had for four days now.

It isn't as

> bad as when I had the implants but it's pretty

debilitating. I am

> stumped. Why now? What has been the experience of

others, several

> months after explant? Are all of you recovering well

or is it just

> me? Has anyone else found they continue to have " fibro-

like "

> symptoms, and is there hope for them to go away? I've

been pretty

> good about my diet, supplements, exercise, but it

seems like I can't

> deviate from my quotidian routine without a backlash

of symptoms.

> Anyway, thank you all for listening. I guess I'm just

fishing for

> some light at the end of the tunnel!

> Thanks!

> Bindi

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