Guest guest Posted February 5, 2002 Report Share Posted February 5, 2002 In a message dated 5/2/02 00:39:32 GMT Standard Time, barry91162@... writes: Along with gallstones and other problems, I suffer with Cero Negative Arthritis. I heard about a young boy of 9 who suffered with a serious childhood arthritis and could hardly get out of bed in the mornings let alone play like a normal child. His parents never gave up looking for alternative ways of helping once they were introduced to one type of alternative therapy. About 18 months ago they heard about magnetic therapy and purchased a Nikken magnetic mattress, pillow and duvet for the child (at great expense). Today he is pretty much like a normal child and does not suffer half the pain he used too. However, I purchased a mattress and duvet (pillows are far too hard for me) and really do not feel any major benefit, I developed the gallstone problem in the last year and have had the mattress for almost that so I think that could answer your question but who knows, it may work for you. Nikken is a MLM and I should have known better but that is life. To purchase a double mattress (not the divan/bedstead) would cost in the region of US$1700. Hope this helps a little. nne > Has anyone ever heard of the alternative medicine methods of magnetic > energy? I've heard that some holistic type medical people are using > magnets to cure many ails in the body. Things like cancer, > hemorroids, cysts on the skin, etc. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2002 Report Share Posted February 5, 2002 Hi Barry, I've heard my husband say that the magnets that are sold for " health " reasons, are too weak to alter any physiologic processes. If that's true, than why do people say they've been helped? Don't know, unless you explain it by saying the magnets have a placebo effect, however, considering the amount of money that can be made from selling magnets, it's a lot to pay for a placebo. Just one opinion. Adrienne --- barry91162 <barry91162@...> wrote: > Hi Stonies, > > Has anyone ever heard of the alternative medicine methods of magnetic > > energy? I've heard that some holistic type medical people are using > magnets to cure many ails in the body. Things like cancer, > hemorroids, cysts on the skin, etc. > > The skin cysts for instance; a little ball of calcium or something > growing just under the skin on the neck, arms, etc can be removed by > > a dozen or so treatments of placing magnets on certain areas of the > body and creating some kind of energy flow through the body relating > to the earth gravital magnetic pull, etc, etc. > > Anyway, I was wondering (if anyone knows about this method of cure) > if anyone would think it was possible to lay the magnets near the gb > area ( say one on front of gb and opposite pole on back ) and thus > reduce the stone size over a short period of time.Then flush the $% > ^ & @#%$ out using a good cleanse. :-) > > Just a thought. :-) > > Barry. > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2002 Report Share Posted February 5, 2002 Thanks nne, I don't want to purchase a 'blanket' but was wondering if placing magnets on the gb and behind the back would cause a flow of + & - energy across the gb in order to reduce or slowly breakdown a hard calcified stone over time. I have heard magnets used to desolve large cysts under the skin and was thinking maybe the strong magnetic energy would do something to the stones over time. One site I found online about magnetic therapy actually mentioned liver/kidney stones but not in detail unless you pay hundreds to investigate. This doesn't mean it won't work, I was only asking for anyone who may have any experience with magnetic therapy for stones. Haven't heard it mentioned here. Barry. > In a message dated 5/2/02 00:39:32 GMT Standard Time, barry91162@y... > writes: > > Along with gallstones and other problems, I suffer with Cero Negative > Arthritis. I heard about a young boy of 9 who suffered with a serious > childhood arthritis and could hardly get out of bed in the mornings let alone > play like a normal child. His parents never gave up looking for alternative > ways of helping once they were introduced to one type of alternative therapy. > About 18 months ago they heard about magnetic therapy and purchased a Nikken > magnetic mattress, pillow and duvet for the child (at great expense). Today > he is pretty much like a normal child and does not suffer half the pain he > used too. However, I purchased a mattress and duvet (pillows are far too > hard for me) and really do not feel any major benefit, I developed the > gallstone problem in the last year and have had the mattress for almost that > so I think that could answer your question but who knows, it may work for > you. Nikken is a MLM and I should have known better but that is life. To > purchase a double mattress (not the divan/bedstead) would cost in the region > of US$1700. > > Hope this helps a little. > nne > > > Has anyone ever heard of the alternative medicine methods of magnetic > > energy? I've heard that some holistic type medical people are using > > magnets to cure many ails in the body. Things like cancer, > > hemorroids, cysts on the skin, etc. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2002 Report Share Posted February 5, 2002 Thanks Adrienne, I've actually heard the opposite. That the magnets used are powerful enough to create change. The whole theory of the earth's magnetic field and the brain working on the same 7 mhz wavelenghts, etc, is all very interesting. I've even seen it's results on skin cysts with a workmate. In only 4 sessions into the clinic his wrist cyst dissappeared. Maybe it was somewhat mental suggestion but he is sold on it. I may go in and ask them about gb stones and report back to the group about it since I haven't heard of the alternative method mentioned here. Who knows? Barry. > > Hi Stonies, > > > > Has anyone ever heard of the alternative medicine methods of magnetic > > > > energy? I've heard that some holistic type medical people are using > > magnets to cure many ails in the body. Things like cancer, > > hemorroids, cysts on the skin, etc. > > > > The skin cysts for instance; a little ball of calcium or something > > growing just under the skin on the neck, arms, etc can be removed by > > > > a dozen or so treatments of placing magnets on certain areas of the > > body and creating some kind of energy flow through the body relating > > to the earth gravital magnetic pull, etc, etc. > > > > Anyway, I was wondering (if anyone knows about this method of cure) > > if anyone would think it was possible to lay the magnets near the gb > > area ( say one on front of gb and opposite pole on back ) and thus > > reduce the stone size over a short period of time.Then flush the $ % > > ^ & @#%$ out using a good cleanse. :-) > > > > Just a thought. :-) > > > > Barry. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2002 Report Share Posted February 6, 2002 Thanks Betsy, This workmates cyst was on the wrist in a very fragile or dangerous area inside the skin. Operation had some risks to it so he went for the 'non-knife' method and it worked for him over a period of only a few weeks with a magnetic theory method. How long did you suggest to keep the garlic over the cyst? A few hours a day or all day long? I've always been curious about alternative medine as well. Do you remember those old Foxfire books about alt. methods? Like rubbing a potato on a wart and then burying it in the backyard on a full moon night? Some people swear that stuff works. :-) Barry. > > I've actually heard the opposite. That the magnets used are powerful > > enough to create change. The whole theory of the earth's magnetic > > field and the brain working on the same 7 mhz wavelenghts, etc, is > > all very interesting. I've even seen it's results on skin cysts with > > a workmate. In only 4 sessions into the clinic his wrist cyst > > dissappeared. Maybe it was somewhat mental suggestion but he is sold > > on it. I may go in and ask them about gb stones and report back to > > the group about it since I haven't heard of the alternative method > > mentioned here. Who knows? > > > > Barry. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2002 Report Share Posted February 6, 2002 I'll just tell you a bit about magnets, and that's simply that a lot of testing has been done to show that they do in fact work. The reason they work is because of what is known as the Hall effect. This is an electrical situation where something will heat up because of the changing polarities of magnetic fields. In the case of magnets they would need to be a multiple of North and South in an area to accomplish this with the blood supply as it passes from one point to another. Some manufacturer have multiple rings of magnets so that the blood supply cutting across a path will be influenced by the negative and positive polarities, others have small squares of north and south bundled together. I could also get into explaining why it is that the national electrical code requires a wire from each phase of a transformer to be in each conduit of a multi conduit system. It is because of the vary reason of the Hall effect that this requirement is in the code. If each phase of a system was in one individual conduit there is a tremendous heat build up at the junction of an electrical box. It really is quite an amazing phenomena. As for the magnets shrinking stones I would find that is possible if considered under the factor of an included diet. I don't see that the Hall effect can work other than to allow a greater blood flow to occur in the area of the liver and the gallbladder. This in turn would allow for a greater exchange of oxygen to the cells and therefore a potential for the healing process to take effect. I used magnets for my liver condition and can't find any reason not to do so other than cost. Dale Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2002 Report Share Posted February 6, 2002 Thanks catmagnet, sounds pretty good. Do a Hulga cleanse too. You'll feel great. Barry. > hi...iam using the Sota Instruments magnetic pulser...jammed up against my > lower spine for one week at nite and it is Definitely Helping...with the > pain (infection) and to dissolve calcification. probably calcium (infection) > deposit/gall/kidney stone formation/arthritis..serious...had it for 10+ > years. nine months into the /Beck protocols...slow but sure, making > permanent healing progress. > > i felt soooo much better the first few days of magnetic pulsing...got alot > of work done. today i realized i am getting normal again....that the > calcification is going away! this would be the magnetic pulser effect. same > energy thing (but not removing calcification) happened when i got the guts > to do the Bob Beck blood electrification with the Sota Instruments Silver > Pulser during Christmas. the zapper, colloidal silver, ozone water, and > /Beck protocols...eliminations changes, am convinced, saved my life > this Summer..the first six months healing were rough, as its been a long > time happening. > > (for some reason, i havent made it thru an entire kidney cleanse; have > ingredients for 5 GB flushes, but have not done it yet. it is alot of work > to learn and implement all these protocols by onesself ...imo doctors dont > know what they are doing and their methods would kill me! in 1992 3 mds did > lower back fusion, when nothing was wrong with my back but horrible > crippling pain ...Hulda was right: 95% of back pain relates to stones. > at times i see the light---all pain (infection) and blockage disapears. > working on the cause.) Thrilled to be getting completely well...it is > Great! > > (read the photon sound beam technology is laser....lol...we could have fun > with that) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2002 Report Share Posted February 6, 2002 Thanks Dale, What were the results of using the magnets for your liver condition? Barry. > I'll just tell you a bit about magnets, and that's simply that a lot of > testing has been done to show that they do in fact work. The reason they > work is because of what is known as the Hall effect. This is an electrical > situation where something will heat up because of the changing polarities of > magnetic fields. In the case of magnets they would need to be a multiple of > North and South in an area to accomplish this with the blood supply as it > passes from one point to another. Some manufacturer have multiple rings of > magnets so that the blood supply cutting across a path will be influenced by > the negative and positive polarities, others have small squares of north and > south bundled together. > > I could also get into explaining why it is that the national electrical code > requires a wire from each phase of a transformer to be in each conduit of a > multi conduit system. It is because of the vary reason of the Hall effect > that this requirement is in the code. If each phase of a system was in one > individual conduit there is a tremendous heat build up at the junction of an > electrical box. It really is quite an amazing phenomena. > > As for the magnets shrinking stones I would find that is possible if > considered under the factor of an included diet. I don't see that the Hall > effect can work other than to allow a greater blood flow to occur in the > area of the liver and the gallbladder. This in turn would allow for a > greater exchange of oxygen to the cells and therefore a potential for the > healing process to take effect. I used magnets for my liver condition and > can't find any reason not to do so other than cost. > > Dale > > Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2002 Report Share Posted February 6, 2002 Hi nne, I know you weren't advising me to buy a blanket, I was just telling you I didn't want to go that far. I think I would try just placing two strong magnets in the best position for gallbladder and see what results happen. I would have to go into the clinic that my friend went to for his wrist cyst and talk to the doc first and see if it is even possible for gb stone shrinking, etc. Thanks for your help. Barry. > In a message dated 5/2/02 23:38:07 GMT Standard Time, barry91162@y... > writes: > > I was not advising you to buy the mattress/duvet/pillow, I was simply > illustrating my own personal knowledge of magnet therapy (maybe of a > different sort to that you have heard of but still magnet therapy). I don't > think it is the placebo effect, I think it is the same as with supplements or > drugs, what works for you will not necessarily work for me. Perhaps you will > have to try it for yourself to find out and then you can report your personal > findings to the group so that they can decide if they want to try it. > > nne > > > I don't want to purchase a 'blanket' but was wondering if placing > > magnets on the gb > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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