Re: Cleanse while in an attack???

[Guest guest]

Has anyone ever thought of, or done, any kind of method of flushing

while in the middle of a GB pain attack?

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Hi, Barry,

Yes, I haven't done flushing while having an attack, but I've heard of some

others who did. I will tell you once that I was having an attack and drank

some ES. It didn't take long for the pain to ease. I don't know, though, if

that would work all the time.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Well here's an opinion I probably would not do a cleanse in the

middle of an attack, because my body feels pretty vulnerable, and I

like fasting for a day before a cleanse. So there's that.

When I feel an attack coming on, and I'm getting to the point where I

sense it pretty early, these are the things I do:

1) Go for a walk down the block and back. For some reason, walking

around a bit seems to jostle things up a bit, and loosen up any

impending stone block.

2) Bend, stretch, and pay close attention to my body. The bending

and stretching sometimes moves the stone too, and the pain subsides.

3) If I can tell nothing will help, and the attack is coming - Castor

oil. 2 tablespoons orally. This has stopped every attack I've taken

it with, within 15 minutes of taking it (at least 6-8 attacks). The

laxative seems to push out the offending food and subside the need

for bile to be secreted.

Also, if a meal is in the least marginal (like - it has eggs or

butter, cheese, etc), I take 2 fiber pills, and 2-3 capsules of

granulated lecithin (I buy the lecithin, and put it into large

gelatin capsules). Lecithin emulsifies/breaks down fat.

When I start to feel the twinges of an attack a few times in one

week, then I know I need to set aside a day or two for Hulda 's

liver cleanse soon. I've done 7 of these flushes and they do help

quite a bit. I'm due for a cleanse actually.

I used to take flaxseed oil, however it does have strong estrogenic

type effects, and as such is sometimes not recommended for the

liver. I'm also taking birth control pills - which the informational

doc that comes with them even states - actually cause gallstones.

I " m considering quitting these, however would need to make a few

lifestyle changes to accomodate that.

I do take Milk Thistle also.

So there's that! I have not had a severe attack since August of last

year, mostly due to becoming more tuned in, and coming up with the

actions I've listed above.

Hope this helps!

pomagranate@...

> Has anyone ever thought of, or done, any kind of method of flushing

> while in the middle of a GB pain attack?

>

> The reason for this question is because I have been thinking about

> this for some time. If any of the 'old timers' in this group could

> please reply, I would much appreciate some opinions.

>

> My reason of questioning is brought on by what I think is logical

> though I may be wrong or missing a vital point to this.

>

> Here's what I'm thinking...

>

> Since the pain in my GB comes after eating a heavy fatty meal, and

> comes 2-3 hours into the night after eating, wouldn't this be the

> best time to help that stone move out of the GB? I've been told

that

> what is causing my pain is the fact that my 'hard, calcified', GB

> stone is in the process of trying to get out through the small duct

> and is stopping at the mouth of the GB, thus causing the pain and

> swelling of the GB. This to me sounds like the perfect time, while

> the stone is moving and trying to exit, to help it finish it's

> journey. Could I, while in the middle of pain, drink Epsom to open

> the ducts more, and then 1 hour later down the oil mixture? Would

> this work vs. doing it while not in pain and the stone is maybe

> sticking or not moving so readlily?

>

> Just a thought that would like some opinions.

> Thanks.

> Barry.

[Guest guest]

Hi, what I did while having mild pain;

Juice from 2 lemons

equal amount olive oil in 8 oz glass

filled rest of glass with water and drank it

It took away the gnawing pain and fullness feeling I get.

Kathy B

[Guest guest]

I want to get that 1cm, calcified, GB 'problem' stone out while it is

pushing to get through the duct anyway. I want to help it when it's

ready to come out. (Sounds like I want to have a baby. haha). >>

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Oh, Barry, we're all funny tonight, huh? That's it, get that " baby " stone[a

monster] out!

Maybe it feels like you're having a baby somewhere, I suppose.

Susie

[Guest guest]

want to get a big (or I should say a calcified, harder to extract,

GB stone measuring 1cm) stone out of the mouth of the GB because I

know that when it is there after a fatty meal, this is the cause of

my pain. Think it can be done?

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Barry, I now you're asking Kathy, but I personally think that it can be done.

This is my opinion. I think, though, why not go ahead and do the whole

cleanse so it pushes out other junk after it?

Susie

[Guest guest]

I've done the whole cleanse three time. Can I do the whole cleanse in

only the 3 hours of pain without fasting the whole day, etc, etc?

I can't do the whole cleanse in only the 2-3 hours of intense pain.

Or how? >>

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Hi, Barry,

Oh, I hate to tell you something wrong for YOU. I've had emergencies where

I've had to take ES because of a GB attack. My pains went away. I do know

this much, if you're doing a cleanse, it sure helps to do your fast

beforehand. And I know from my own experience that it helps to have 1 quart

of organic apple juice per day beforehand for 5 days. So I think it's

possible to do a mini-cleanse, unless, of course, you've eaten a whole bunch

of food. Otherwise, I think you could get sick at your stomach. You may

pass stones, but you may also get quite ill--like hurling!!!

Susie

P.S. My experience is it's good to have that apple juice for several days.

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

I've also found ways to relieve the pain while going through a GB

attack but the question wasn't quite that. Wouldn't you like to

finally get rid of that one big calcified GB stone that is causing

the pain and hasn't come out after several flushes?

So, the question is more that instead of flushing just liver stones

and not getting the GB 'problem stone' while it is 'hiding in the

closet' would it be better to conquer the stone while it was in the

mouth of the duct, trying to get out, and causing the pain? Seems

like a logical time to move that problem stone out.

So, I was wondering if that would be a good time to do some kind of

mini flush, and what kind of results that would possibly have?

Thanks,

Anyone?

Barry.

> > Has anyone ever thought of, or done, any kind of method of

flushing

> > while in the middle of a GB pain attack?

> >

> > The reason for this question is because I have been thinking

about

> > this for some time. If any of the 'old timers' in this group

could

> > please reply, I would much appreciate some opinions.

> >

> > My reason of questioning is brought on by what I think is logical

> > though I may be wrong or missing a vital point to this.

> >

> > Here's what I'm thinking...

> >

> > Since the pain in my GB comes after eating a heavy fatty meal,

and

> > comes 2-3 hours into the night after eating, wouldn't this be the

> > best time to help that stone move out of the GB? I've been told

> that

> > what is causing my pain is the fact that my 'hard, calcified', GB

> > stone is in the process of trying to get out through the small

duct

> > and is stopping at the mouth of the GB, thus causing the pain and

> > swelling of the GB. This to me sounds like the perfect time,

while

> > the stone is moving and trying to exit, to help it finish it's

> > journey. Could I, while in the middle of pain, drink Epsom to

open

> > the ducts more, and then 1 hour later down the oil mixture? Would

> > this work vs. doing it while not in pain and the stone is maybe

> > sticking or not moving so readlily?

> >

> > Just a thought that would like some opinions.

> > Thanks.

> > Barry.

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy,

Thank you for that info. Do you think doing that 'mini'flush' only

relieved your current pain or was it successful in removing a big GB

stone in mouth of the GB?

I want to get that 1cm, calcified, GB 'problem' stone out while it is

pushing to get through the duct anyway. I want to help it when it's

ready to come out. (Sounds like I want to have a baby. haha).

Barry.

> Hi, what I did while having mild pain;

> Juice from 2 lemons

> equal amount olive oil in 8 oz glass

> filled rest of glass with water and drank it

> It took away the gnawing pain and fullness feeling I get.

> Kathy B

[Guest guest]

Hi Barry, It didn't produce any stones or even diarrhea, however, my

pain was competely releived and my

BM the next day totally floated. There was no oil floating on the water,

I guess it was just absorbed and the body used it to my benefit.

Kathy B

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Thank you for that info. Do you think doing that 'mini'flush' only

relieved your current pain or was it successful in removing a big GB

stone in mouth of the GB?

[Guest guest]

Thanks Kathy,

Sounds like that little mini-flush cleared you of sludge that may

have been in your ducts and causing the pain.

I want to get a big (or I should say a calcified, harder to extract,

GB stone measuring 1cm) stone out of the mouth of the GB because I

know that when it is there after a fatty meal, this is the cause of

my pain. Think it can be done?

Barry.

> Hi Barry, It didn't produce any stones or even diarrhea, however, my

> pain was competely releived and my

> BM the next day totally floated. There was no oil floating on the

water,

> I guess it was just absorbed and the body used it to my benefit.

> Kathy B

> =====================

> Thank you for that info. Do you think doing that 'mini'flush' only

> relieved your current pain or was it successful in removing a big

GB

> stone in mouth of the GB?

[Guest guest]

Susie,

I've done the whole cleanse three time. Can I do the whole cleanse in

only the 3 hours of pain without fasting the whole day, etc, etc?

I can't do the whole cleanse in only the 2-3 hours of intense pain.

Or how?

And yes, I feel like I'm having baby pains sometimes. hahaha

They say a man having a GB attack is very similar to a woman having

contractions. I think not. haha

Barry.

> want to get a big (or I should say a calcified, harder to

extract,

> GB stone measuring 1cm) stone out of the mouth of the GB because I

> know that when it is there after a fatty meal, this is the cause

of

> my pain. Think it can be done?

> _________________

> Barry, I now you're asking Kathy, but I personally think that it

can be done.

> This is my opinion. I think, though, why not go ahead and do the

whole

> cleanse so it pushes out other junk after it?

> Susie