Beta Plus by Biotics - anyone taking this?

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I've done research on perscription pill options for breaking down

gall stones, and found the following:

Ursodiol or ursodeoxycholic acid (Actigall) and

chenodiol/chenodeoxycholic acid (Chenix) are the standard oral bile

acid drugs used for dissolution. THey are EXPENSIVE (like $150-

200/month).

These are bile acids used to dissolve gall stones, taken daily, for 6

months to 1 year. This treatment does seem to dissolve gall stones,

however 50% of people who take these get reoccuring gall stones later

after treatment ends.

My thought - Beta Plus by the Biotics company has ox bile extract as

it's main ingredient. Would ox bile salt perform the same function?

I know they are different bile salts (I would assume?) however my

thought is - they might perform the same action.

Haven't been able to find any comparitive studies on the perscription

vs. ox bile option.

Anyone have an opinion on wether Beta Plus or ox bile in general

would be effective, if taken in the same time frame as perscription

bile salts, in breaking down/dissolving gall stones?

Thanks much -

pomagranate@...

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Anyone have an opinion on wether Beta Plus or ox bile in general

would be effective, if taken in the same time frame as perscription

bile salts, in breaking down/dissolving gall stones?

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Hi, :

So you don't have a gallbladder? That's what you use if you don't,

Beta-Plus. Beta-Plus emulsifies the fats. It does what your GB does.

I have a gallbladder, so I use Beta-TCP. That stuff's been a life-saver to

me. But if you use it, then there are things that you must know. It's a

bile thinner. You must be 100 percent you have gallstones. You must have

normal colored stools, not clay colored.

There is some lady on here a while back that didn't have a GB and was using

Beta-Plus, which she said worked really good.

Susie

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The Beta Plus bottle recommends taking them, " as a dietary

suppliment, or as otherwise directed by a health care professional. "

Unsure what your source is for the above information, however it

sounds as if different sources have different opinions on this. >>

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Hi, :

I order my Beta-TCP from a chiropractor out of Ca. Here's the information

that he has on Beta-Plus:

Quote:

Beta-Plus - Source of organic whole beet concentrate and purified bile salts.

Use with constipation, biliary insufficiency (light colored stools) or where

the gall bladder has been removed and the symptoms of gall bladder

dysfunction are still present (pain over the eyes, pain in the webbing

between the right thumb and fore finger, pain between the shoulder blades,

gas bloating, inability to tolerate fats or fried foods, etc.).

unquote

NOTE: it states that you had your GB removed.

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Now, on Beta-TCP

Quote:

Beta-TCP - Source of organic whole beet concentrate and vitamin C from beet

source, taurine and pancrealipase (all known to assist with cholesterol to

bile acid conversion). Use with biliary stasis where there are no signs of

constipation or light colored stools and the gall bladder has not been

removed. Symptoms for use include - pain over the eyes, pain in the webbing

between the right thumb and fore finger, pain between the shoulder blades,

gas, bloating, inability to tolerate fats or fried foods, or a history of

gall bladder attacks where stones were detected or suspected.

UNQUOTE....

Note: you still have your GB when you use this, i.e., Beta-TCP

The above quotes are from Dr. Springer's website, linked from Biotics

Research.

Here is how I found out about them. From Dr. Mercola's website, this is a

quote and a link to this particular article:

http://www.mercola.com/1999/oct/24/gallstone_treatment.htm

" Anyone who has had their gallbladder removed will need to take some form of

bile salts with every meal for the rest of their life (I use and recommend

Beta Plus from Biotics Research), if they wish to prevent a good percentage

of the good fats they eat from being flushed down the toilet. If one does not

have enough fats in the diet, their entire physiology will be disrupted,

especially the ability to make hormones and prostaglandins. "

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi, :

>

> So you don't have a gallbladder? That's what you use if you don't,

> Beta-Plus. Beta-Plus emulsifies the fats. It does what your GB

does.

Actually I do have a gall bladder, and my accupuncturist perscribed

Beta Plus to me. I trust him - have been going to him for many

years. The Beta Plus bottle recommends taking them, " as a dietary

suppliment, or as otherwise directed by a health care professional. "

Unsure what your source is for the above information, however it

sounds as if different sources have different opinions on this.

I'm still looking for an opinion on how taking ox bile salts would

compare to perscription bile salts, in dissolving gallstones.

Thanks for the feedback.

pomagranate@...

[Guest guest]

Does anyone ever get sick after taking Beta Plus? I took it and got extremly

sick and threw up. I am pregnant though so that could have something to do

with it. Thanks!

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, Hi, are you taking it because you have your GB out? Everything I

read and what I'm told by a health care professional is that you must have

had your GB removed to take Beta-Plus.

Please respond.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Does anyone ever get sick after taking Beta Plus? I took it and got extremly

sick and threw up. I am pregnant though so that could have something to do

with it. Thanks!

>From: " pomagranate " <pomagranate@...>

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>Subject: Re: Beta Plus by Biotics - anyone taking this?

>Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:19:57 -0000

>

> >

> > Hi, :

> >

> > So you don't have a gallbladder? That's what you use if you don't,

> > Beta-Plus. Beta-Plus emulsifies the fats. It does what your GB

>does.

>

>Actually I do have a gall bladder, and my accupuncturist perscribed

>Beta Plus to me. I trust him - have been going to him for many

>years. The Beta Plus bottle recommends taking them, " as a dietary

>suppliment, or as otherwise directed by a health care professional. "

>Unsure what your source is for the above information, however it

>sounds as if different sources have different opinions on this.

>

>I'm still looking for an opinion on how taking ox bile salts would

>compare to perscription bile salts, in dissolving gallstones.

>

>Thanks for the feedback.

>

>

>pomagranate@...

>

>

>

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I was taking the reg. beta and then

she wanted me to try the beta plus. The reg. beta did just find but the beta

plus didnt. >>

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Hmm...I'll have to find out why they're giving Beta-Plus to people who have

their GBs. The write-up says that they don't do that. I'll ask Dr. Springer.

What about Beta-TCP? Have you tried that?

Thanks,

Susie

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No I havent had my gallbladder taken out. My chiropractor prescribed me beta

plus because of my gallbladder problems. I was taking the reg. beta and then

she wanted me to try the beta plus. The reg. beta did just find but the beta

plus didnt.

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>Subject: Re: Re: Beta Plus by Biotics - anyone taking this?

>Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:38:38 EST

>

> Does anyone ever get sick after taking Beta Plus? I took it and got

>extremly

> sick and threw up. I am pregnant though so that could have something to

>do

> with it. Thanks!

> _______________

>, Hi, are you taking it because you have your GB out? Everything I

>read and what I'm told by a health care professional is that you must have

>had your GB removed to take Beta-Plus.

>Please respond.

>Susie

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Yes beta tcp was what I was taking that did ok. I am not taking that anymore

though. I am just taking taurine and lecithin now.

>From: Tishri7@...

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>Subject: Re: Re: Beta Plus by Biotics - anyone taking this?

>Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:18:22 EST

>

> I was taking the reg. beta and then

> she wanted me to try the beta plus. The reg. beta did just find but the

>beta

> plus didnt. >>

> ___________________

>

>Hmm...I'll have to find out why they're giving Beta-Plus to people who have

>their GBs. The write-up says that they don't do that. I'll ask Dr.

>Springer.

>

>

>What about Beta-TCP? Have you tried that?

>Thanks,

>Susie

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