Re: Re: brain fog...what helps?

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Terri, Thanks! Just that alone is a reason to have them taken out. I feel like such a space case a lot of the time! Peake <peaketeresa@...> wrote: -,That is the one symptom that for me completely went away. It took about 6 months after explant but my brain fog is gone, it is funny though because the people that are around you that were there before are used to having to tell you and remind you of

stuff, I have to keep reminding them that I remember everything now, especially my nine year old, I think she uses it to try and get away with stuff. just being a kid of course nothing serious, I catch her and say I am not that mom anymore I remember everything I say now. Or everything you say it is funny, or my friends and family I remember better now than before I got sick. Sometimes my spelling is still off. I was always a great speller I have to really watch on my typing. It isn't fully back there I have to think harder about how to spell stuff that just came to me before. But it will comeTerri P-- In , <waltjenking@...> wrote:>> I am wondering if anyone can help me and Deb with this email below...brain fog...what kind of supplements or herbs can help with that? > >

> Hi Deb,> > Sorry, I think you told me where you were from once...brain fog..it's getting bad. There is an excellent doctor in Georgia that has done a lot of explants and you may have heard of her on the group discussion. Her website is http://www.plastikos.com If you want info on her or her prices you can probably ask the group as well, because several people have gone to her. I am in Washington State. I wouldn't take the Ritalin if I were you... There are natural herbs to help with brain fog....I will send forward this to the group because I need help with brain fog as well and I'm not sure what to take. Keep on writing...I enjoy getting your emails.> > > > deb marie <debmarie007@...> wrote:> Hi ,> > I live in Deerfield Beach, Florida. I guess what I'll do is go back to my neurologist and

show him all of this stuff from the website and see if he can refer me. I made an appointment with a Dr. ...I've misplaced the paper, but she's in Melbourne, Florida...got her name off the list of doctors that Rogene from saline support posted for me, but I can't get in for a consultation until January 5th.> > It makes a lot of sense what you are saying, somebody who knows the importance of removing both implant and scar capsule all at once...last thing I want is bacteria or mold released into my bloodstream, as if I probably don't have enough of it released into my body already. Now, I'm not even carinig about having big boobs any more. I just want my health back. Seems like flatter chests are almost as popular these days anyway. I had my implants done under the muscle wall...I hope that's going to be better for removal.> > I'm going to look up Fibromyalgia on the internet now. Do you

live in Colorado?> > > > <waltjenking@...> wrote:> Deb,> > Someone did respond and it does make sense. It sounds like it's very important that you not only get the imlants removed, but that you do it en bloc....which means they take out the capsule with the implant so as not to allow anything to get into your body. The capsule is the skin that forms around the implant...I guess it's kind of a defense. So, where do you live? I've heard that Dr. Huang in Colorado charges around $5000.00 for everything...and I've heard that she is really good and thorough. You're so lucky that you have insurance. You might want to go to your doctor and see if he will give you a referral to a good plastic surgeon and perhaps get it covered by insurance. But I would be picky with who you go to...it's your body and he should understand that. I have a lot of the same

problems that you have as well. I have Fibromyalgia...you may want to look this up...it seems to be a common disease for people with implants...I have pretty much every symtom of> fibro....of course a lot of doctors won't recognize it, however a lot will. So, where do you live? Thanks for writing.> > > > deb marie <debmarie007@...> wrote:> Thanks, I'm anxious to see what they say... Was wondering how you found out about the problem with saline and what kinds of symptoms you've been having. I had no clue about this...until last week. It is a shame that I've been so busy with my job in the last several years that I missed reading about it or seeing anything on tv about it. But in the last 3 or 4 years I've been not feeling right at all. Brain fog first which sent me to a neurologist who sent me to a psychologist and together they both diagnosed adult attention

deficit disorder (ADHD) and was put on Ritalin...but now here it is just 3 1/2 years later and the brain fog is so much worse that I find myself stopping to stare at nothing at all throughout the day, on top of that flu-like symptoms, and anxiety...oh man, I remember one day my heart started pounding so much that I thought I was having an heart attack. And I've been feeling like an old person when I get up in the morning, and I'm actually in> pretty good shape for my age, not overweight or anything and I've always been in excellent health and have never been a hypocondriac. So I've also been having trouble sleeping, and cold hands and feet all of the time and I live in South Florida--who gets cold hands and feet in South Florida...nobody I know! But what was really wierd was my toes going numb on my left foot and the shooting pain in my foot that was hard to explain. So this was just earlier this year, my doctor

sent me for an MRI, did an electrode test, I think it was called an EEG where he hooked up electrodes to see if I could feel varying degrees of electric shock. I cried through that one. That was painful. But nothing wrong there, however the MRI showed a spot on my liver, so then he sent me to a liver specialist who sent me to the hospital to get a Sonogram, and turns out those spots are no big deal, lots of people have them, but for some reason these spots didn't start showing up on people until> the early 80's and doctors don't know what causes them... which an interesting point now that I think about it. Thank God for my company's health insurance plan that paid for almost everything on this testing... > > Anyway, so next he refers me to a rumatologist and I can't even remember if he drew blood or not, and he tells me that my aches and pains are because I'm depressed. So, I basically gave up and

started thinking it was just a part of getting older, but I couldn't imagine that if I feel this bad now, how much worse I'll feel when I'm 80...and on top of that my breasts were feeling wierd, like they weren't part of me...almost hyper sensitive...you know I can't stand to wear a bra anymore, I feel like that bra is eating me alive...and it's almost like my breasts feel bigger... please excuse the run-on sentences... I really appreciate you letting me share this... so I got to remembering how in 1993 when the doctor put these salines in, I had asked for 350 cc but they gave me 375 cc and the nurse had mentioned draining some out if I wasn't pleased with the additional 25... so here it is 14 years later, I was thinking of finding a doctor to drain some of the saline out... I was> typing in the words "saline removal" in Google search and that's how I found out about the mold and then the lightbulb came on in

my head...all symptoms match!> > > > > <waltjenking@...> wrote:> Deb, > > That's a good question, however, I'm not sure of the answer. I would like to know as well...it kind of makes sense. The thing that scares me just a little bit is going to a doctor to have them taken out when they are also still putting them in! I posted what you sent me to see if anyone can help. I also took out you phone number. Please let me know what you find out.> > > > deb marie <debmarie007@...> wrote:> Hi ,> > I posted something on the site the other day and didn't a response from anybody. It was about getting a regular MD to take these out. I can understand the importance of having board certified put these in, but can't imagine why it would need much symetrical skill to take these out.> >

Besides that, most MD's back in the 90's would argue tooth and nail about not getting them put in in the first place..and seems like they would be more of an advocate for us and more open to hearing what we have to say about our symptoms. > > Do you know if anybody commented. By the way, my home phone number is if you want to call me sometime.> > Deb> > <waltjenking@...> wrote:> Hi Deb,> > I am actually hearing from some woman that say they paid about $5000.00 so I think you just need to look around. I think you can find it cheaper. I also heard that. If you have insurance and can find the right doctor then insurance may cover a lot of it. Let me know what you find out! > > > > deb marie <debmarie007@...> wrote:> Hi ,> > I think I just fainted. $8-12k?! I was thinking more along the

lines of what a boob job costs these days....that it should be around $4-6k or so...that's what they go for down here in S. Florida these days.> > I guess I'm not understanding what the difference is...for example a person who just goes in to get bigger or smaller ones put in and doesn't complain of complications from the latter. The doctor would have to remove the capsule anyway. Do you know what the reasoning is...why so much money? This has me so depressed...I can come up with the $4,000 or so but not $8,000 or more..yikes!> > Someone also wrote me on that website that if you report to the doctor that you are having chest pains your insurance may cover to have them taken out... or maybe I didn't understand right, but that's how I took it. My brain is so fogged over these days I can hardly read or understand things correctly.> > Deb Radford> >

<waltjenking@...> wrote:> Well, I'm finding that it's between $8000.00-12,000 but it depends on if you have to travel far to get it done. Where do you live? I'm new on this site too. Just make sure you take the info that people give you and stay open minded. There are people on here that are a little extreme so you have to do your research and stay open-minded which is how it should be anyway. After all it is our body and we have to live with our decisions. > > > > debmarie007 <debmarie007@...> wrote:> I have no idea how much one of these costs...do you mind telling me?> > > > ---------------------------------> Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.> > > ---------------------------------> Everyone is raving about the all-new

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Terri,

You should consider yourself very lucky in that regard!

I wish my brain fog would have just went "POOF!" like yours did.

It is gone for the most part, but I am struggling with it this week. My period is due tomorrow, so maybe that is why. I don't know, but you are very fortunate not to still be struggling with the brain fog.

I hope you are doing well now! Are you still struggling alot with fatigue afer your second surgery to remove the remainging capsule? I am so glad you got that out! It was amazing what she found.

Patty

Re: brain fog...what helps?

-,That is the one symptom that for me completely went away. It took about 6 months after explant but my brain fog is gone, it is funny though because the people that are around you that were there before are used to having to tell you and remind you of stuff, I have to keep reminding them that I remember everything now, especially my nine year old, I think she uses it to try and get away with stuff. just being a kid of course nothing serious, I catch her and say I am not that mom anymore I remember everything I say now. Or everything you say it is funny, or my friends and family I remember better now than before I got sick. Sometimes my spelling is still off. I was always a great speller I have to really watch on my typing. It isn't fully back there I have to think harder about how to spell stuff that just came to me before. But it will comeTerri P-- In , <waltjenking@ ...> wrote:>> I am wondering if anyone can help me and Deb with this email below...brain fog...what kind of supplements or herbs can help with that? > > > Hi Deb,> > Sorry, I think you told me where you were from once...brain fog..it's getting bad. There is an excellent doctor in Georgia that has done a lot of explants and you may have heard of her on the group discussion. Her website is http://www.plastiko s.com If you want info on her or her prices you can probably ask the group as well, because several people have gone to her. I am in Washington State. I wouldn't take the Ritalin if I were you... There are natural herbs to help with brain fog....I will send forward this to the

group because I need help with brain fog as well and I'm not sure what to take. Keep on writing...I enjoy getting your emails.> > > > deb marie <debmarie007@ ...> wrote:> Hi ,> > I live in Deerfield Beach, Florida. I guess what I'll do is go back to my neurologist and show him all of this stuff from the website and see if he can refer me. I made an appointment with a Dr. ...I' ve misplaced the paper, but she's in Melbourne, Florida...got her name off the list of doctors that Rogene from saline support posted for me, but I can't get in for a consultation until January 5th.> > It makes a lot of sense what you are saying, somebody who knows the importance of removing both implant and scar capsule all at once...last thing I want is bacteria or mold released into my bloodstream, as if I probably don't have enough of it released into my body

already. Now, I'm not even carinig about having big boobs any more. I just want my health back. Seems like flatter chests are almost as popular these days anyway. I had my implants done under the muscle wall...I hope that's going to be better for removal.> > I'm going to look up Fibromyalgia on the internet now. Do you live in Colorado?> > > > <waltjenking@ ...> wrote:> Deb,> > Someone did respond and it does make sense. It sounds like it's very important that you not only get the imlants removed, but that you do it en bloc....which means they take out the capsule with the implant so as not to allow anything to get into your body. The capsule is the skin that forms around the implant...I guess it's kind of a defense. So, where do you live? I've heard that Dr. Huang in Colorado charges around $5000.00 for everything.. .and I've heard that she is really

good and thorough. You're so lucky that you have insurance. You might want to go to your doctor and see if he will give you a referral to a good plastic surgeon and perhaps get it covered by insurance. But I would be picky with who you go to...it's your body and he should understand that. I have a lot of the same problems that you have as well. I have Fibromyalgia. ..you may want to look this up...it seems to be a common disease for people with implants...I have pretty much every symtom of> fibro....of course a lot of doctors won't recognize it, however a lot will. So, where do you live? Thanks for writing.> > > > deb marie <debmarie007@ ...> wrote:> Thanks, I'm anxious to see what they say... Was wondering how you found out about the problem with saline and what kinds of symptoms you've been having. I had no clue about this...until last week. It is a shame that I've been so

busy with my job in the last several years that I missed reading about it or seeing anything on tv about it. But in the last 3 or 4 years I've been not feeling right at all. Brain fog first which sent me to a neurologist who sent me to a psychologist and together they both diagnosed adult attention deficit disorder (ADHD) and was put on Ritalin...but now here it is just 3 1/2 years later and the brain fog is so much worse that I find myself stopping to stare at nothing at all throughout the day, on top of that flu-like symptoms, and anxiety...oh man, I remember one day my heart started pounding so much that I thought I was having an heart attack. And I've been feeling like an old person when I get up in the morning, and I'm actually in> pretty good shape for my age, not overweight or anything and I've always been in excellent health and have never been a hypocondriac. So I've also been having trouble sleeping, and

cold hands and feet all of the time and I live in South Florida--who gets cold hands and feet in South Florida...nobody I know! But what was really wierd was my toes going numb on my left foot and the shooting pain in my foot that was hard to explain. So this was just earlier this year, my doctor sent me for an MRI, did an electrode test, I think it was called an EEG where he hooked up electrodes to see if I could feel varying degrees of electric shock. I cried through that one. That was painful. But nothing wrong there, however the MRI showed a spot on my liver, so then he sent me to a liver specialist who sent me to the hospital to get a Sonogram, and turns out those spots are no big deal, lots of people have them, but for some reason these spots didn't start showing up on people until> the early 80's and doctors don't know what causes them... which an interesting point now that I think about it. Thank God for my

company's health insurance plan that paid for almost everything on this testing... > > Anyway, so next he refers me to a rumatologist and I can't even remember if he drew blood or not, and he tells me that my aches and pains are because I'm depressed. So, I basically gave up and started thinking it was just a part of getting older, but I couldn't imagine that if I feel this bad now, how much worse I'll feel when I'm 80...and on top of that my breasts were feeling wierd, like they weren't part of me...almost hyper sensitive... you know I can't stand to wear a bra anymore, I feel like that bra is eating me alive...and it's almost like my breasts feel bigger... please excuse the run-on sentences... I really appreciate you letting me share this... so I got to remembering how in 1993 when the doctor put these salines in, I had asked for 350 cc but they gave me 375 cc and the nurse had mentioned draining some

out if I wasn't pleased with the additional 25... so here it is 14 years later, I was thinking of finding a doctor to drain some of the saline out... I was> typing in the words "saline removal" in Google search and that's how I found out about the mold and then the lightbulb came on in my head...all symptoms match!> > > > > <waltjenking@ ...> wrote:> Deb, > > That's a good question, however, I'm not sure of the answer. I would like to know as well...it kind of makes sense. The thing that scares me just a little bit is going to a doctor to have them taken out when they are also still putting them in! I posted what you sent me to see if anyone can help. I also took out you phone number. Please let me know what you find out.> > > > deb marie <debmarie007@ ...> wrote:> Hi ,> > I posted something

on the site the other day and didn't a response from anybody. It was about getting a regular MD to take these out. I can understand the importance of having board certified put these in, but can't imagine why it would need much symetrical skill to take these out.> > Besides that, most MD's back in the 90's would argue tooth and nail about not getting them put in in the first place..and seems like they would be more of an advocate for us and more open to hearing what we have to say about our symptoms. > > Do you know if anybody commented. By the way, my home phone number is if you want to call me sometime.> > Deb> > <waltjenking@ ...> wrote:> Hi Deb,> > I am actually hearing from some woman that say they paid about $5000.00 so I think you just need to look around. I think you can find it cheaper. I also heard that. If you have insurance and can

find the right doctor then insurance may cover a lot of it. Let me know what you find out! > > > > deb marie <debmarie007@ ...> wrote:> Hi ,> > I think I just fainted. $8-12k?! I was thinking more along the lines of what a boob job costs these days....that it should be around $4-6k or so...that's what they go for down here in S. Florida these days.> > I guess I'm not understanding what the difference is...for example a person who just goes in to get bigger or smaller ones put in and doesn't complain of complications from the latter. The doctor would have to remove the capsule anyway. Do you know what the reasoning is...why so much money? This has me so depressed... I can come up with the $4,000 or so but not $8,000 or more..yikes!> > Someone also wrote me on that website that if you report to the doctor that you are having chest

pains your insurance may cover to have them taken out... or maybe I didn't understand right, but that's how I took it. My brain is so fogged over these days I can hardly read or understand things correctly.> > Deb Radford> > <waltjenking@ ...> wrote:> Well, I'm finding that it's between $8000.00-12, 000 but it depends on if you have to travel far to get it done. Where do you live? I'm new on this site too. Just make sure you take the info that people give you and stay open minded. There are people on here that are a little extreme so you have to do your research and stay open-minded which is how it should be anyway. After all it is our body and we have to live with our decisions. > > > > debmarie007 <debmarie007@ ...> wrote:> I have no idea how much one of these costs...do you mind telling me?> > > >

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Terri, It's nice to know there is hope for those of us that are still going through the brain stuff. I have always been independent but haven't driven for over a year because of this. I would pull out of my driveway and turn the wrong direction or turn down wrong streets going places that I've known how to get to for years! That's just one of many things. I can't wait to have that back. Thanks for the hope! Peake <peaketeresa@...> wrote: Patty,Believe me I know, I was so happy to have my mind back it gave me a sense of who I was. I lost that and felt weak as a person somehow. Do you know what I mean? I was getting lost just going down to the store or getting lost in the store.I was so sad. I am now back in charge of my life it feels great. I think the fatigue is lifting, I am not doing anything for the pain in the joints except chiro and some working out. I am trying the whole foods thing and right now with that and the therapy ( psychothreapy that is), I feel stronger everyday and pretty good. I don't want to jinx it by talking about it too much but the fatigue little by little seems to finally be better. I know it was from getting that capsule removed it just took that long.Thank you so much for caring and asking about me, it means alotTerri P> > I have no idea how much one of these costs...do you mind telling > me?> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call > rates.> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.> > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> >

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LOL So you noticed that you can jinx yourself too!

I know another woman who told me she went through that. It's freaky! You are feeling good, and the minute you mention that you are feeling good to someone else, something flares! Oh, that's not fair! But it's happened to me more than once!

It almost becomes scary to say that you are feeling good, doesn't it?

But don't worry, you will get better and better. You've done the right thing and made some good decisions for yourself!

You have been empowered to take charge of your health because you've gained knowledge about the truth, and acted on it. I am so happy that you are feeling in charge of your life once again Terri!

Hugs,

Patty

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Patty,Believe me I know, I was so happy to have my mind back it gave me a sense of who I was. I lost that and felt weak as a person somehow. Do you know what I mean? I was getting lost just going down to the store or getting lost in the store.I was so sad. I am now back in charge of my life it feels great. I think the fatigue is lifting, I am not doing anything for the pain in the joints except chiro and some working out. I am trying the whole foods thing and right now with that and the therapy ( psychothreapy that is), I feel stronger everyday and pretty good. I don't want to jinx it by talking about it too much but the fatigue little by little seems to finally be better. I know it was from getting that capsule removed it just took that long.Thank you so much for caring and asking about me, it means alotTerri P> > I have no idea how much one of these costs...do you mind telling > me?> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call > rates.> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.> > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> >