Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 Hi Michele I am in the UK and I have done a few cleanses after being diagnosed with stones last May following an attack of Pancreatitis. > http://www.cyberpog.com/health/index.htm This is the page I built detailing what happened to me and how the cleanse helped...I hope you find it useful... Dax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 Hi Dax, Thankyou so much for your help. I'm still very concerned about the only thing that I can see that 'could' go wrong - the stone getting stuck in a duct! Obviously no help from the doctors and consultants I've seen and therefore very hard to evalute this risk! But at the end of the day, it might, just might stop me having to be cut open by those who sound extremely unknowledgable about the gallbladder and its functions! Many thanks, Michele -----Original Message----- From: Dax [mailto:dax-@...] Sent: Thursday, 17 Jan 2002 12:52 pm gallstones Subject: Re: Newcomer from UK! Hi Michele I am in the UK and I have done a few cleanses after being diagnosed with stones last May following an attack of Pancreatitis. > http://www.cyberpog.com/health/index.htm This is the page I built detailing what happened to me and how the cleanse helped...I hope you find it useful... Dax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 Michele Check some of the photos at the website...: gallstones/files/ there are a lot of HUGE stones there that people have successfully passed using the flush...I know how you feel...I felt the same way. When you've experienced that agony, you don't want to experience it again! Seeing these pics was very re-assuring for me... Dax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 Hi Michele, I've never heard of anyone being worse off after a liver cleanse, nor heard of anyone having a stone stuck as a result of one. I had a stone stuck in my common bile duct after GB surgery and continued to have severe pain. That's when I did my first liver cleanse. I got immediate relief,and passed stones as large as 1.5 cm. After two cleanses, my symptoms were completely gone. I've since done six cleanses total and feel great! I did Dr. Hulda 's liver cleanse because, at the time, it seemed the simplest one to do. Adrienne --- Michele Vaudin <michele_vaudin@...> wrote: > Hi Dax, > > Thankyou so much for your help. I'm still very concerned about the > only > thing that I can see that 'could' go wrong - the stone getting stuck > in a > duct! Obviously no help from the doctors and consultants I've seen > and > therefore very hard to evalute this risk! But at the end of the day, > it > might, just might stop me having to be cut open by those who sound > extremely > unknowledgable about the gallbladder and its functions! > > Many thanks, > > Michele > -----Original Message----- > From: Dax [mailto:dax-@...] > Sent: Thursday, 17 Jan 2002 12:52 pm > gallstones > Subject: Re: Newcomer from UK! > > > Hi Michele > > I am in the UK and I have done a few cleanses after being diagnosed > with > stones last May following an attack of Pancreatitis. > > > http://www.cyberpog.com/health/index.htm > > This is the page I built detailing what happened to me and how the > cleanse > helped...I hope you find it useful... > > Dax > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 > Hi everyone! > I've just discovered the website and forum about Gallstone cleansing > and a glimmer of hope has arisen! Basically, 30 year old veggie who's > now on a 'anyday now' waiting list for a gallstone operation. I am > desperate not to have this and therefore looking for a more 'natural' > way of solving this problem. > I have a 17mm gallstone in my gallbladder that has been causing me > very painful attacks for the past 3 years but I really REALLY dont > want my gallbladder removed or even undertake an operation. > I'm sorry if all the information is in the website, but time is > running out for me and therefore looking for direct answers! > Has anyone heard of any problems with largish gallstones > getting 'stuck' in a duct etc after doing the cleanse? I'm absolutely > convinced this 'procedure' will work but terrified of causing more > damage if when I dislodge the gallstone and it getting trapped > somewhere! > Also, does anyone else know of people in the UK who have supported > this? Desperate to speak to someone in person who has done this > before! > Any help would be fab and do apologise for not having the time to > look more indepth before asking such questions! > Kind regards, Michele Michele; I've passed a 17 mm stone so I know it can be done. You can check the Files from the online site to see the pictures of the ones that have been posted. You can start working on getting the stone to soften by using various herbs along with a diet void of saturated fats and hydrogenated fats. In your case the hydrogenated fats would be the ones to avoid, since you noted you are a vegetarian. By any chance are you having any joint problems along with having a gallstone, and is the gallstone able to be seen in an X-ray or with an ultrasound? I'm just curious as to whether it is a potential calcium type stone. Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 My husband had a gallstone 1 1/4 inches come out last weekend! He didn't even feel it, there it was. Everyone will help you together. http://curezone.com is a good place to start learning. ________________ , I'm with you, I only understand and think in inches. I had a stone come out that was at least one inch. My hubby stuck a ruler up next to it. It was a whopper! Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2002 Report Share Posted January 18, 2002 Hi Michele, You have found the right place. I was in your shoes 2 months ago and opted to try the cleanse before the removal of a vital digestive organ. It's there for a reason and should stay there. You need to cleanse and get the GB working good again. Save it and help it back to health. If you can't do that you can always have them yank it out later. I also have a 1cm, hard, calcified (shows on ultrasound), stone in my GB. I have done 3 flushes and got over 100 softer liver stones and a lot of sludge out of my system. I have changed my diet and haven't had any pain since. I will continue and do at least 5 flushes and then twice a year to keep my liver clean. Whereas my liver is pretty much clean, I still have the GB stone that I will continue to break down with dieting and more flushes. GB, harder stones are more dificult to get out though some have done it on their first try. The best cleanse for me is the Dr. Hulga liver/gallbladder cleanse at www.curezone.com The site is full of pictures and info and testamonies. Read them all and you will be encouraged to cancel that surgery and go for it yourself. The method using Epsom salts, olive oil/grapefruit coats the stones and they slide right out. I don't think they can even get stuck with all that lubrication in your system. You can actually feel the stones coming out of your liver, down the ducts like marbles, and exiting into your intestine for elimination in your bowel movement. It doesn't even hurt, it feels kind of sothing to me. And 'oh what a feeling' knowing that your body is getting rid of all those toxins, gunk and stones. Try it, you'll never go back. hahaha Hope this helps you. Barry. > Hi everyone! > I've just discovered the website and forum about Gallstone cleansing > and a glimmer of hope has arisen! Basically, 30 year old veggie who's > now on a 'anyday now' waiting list for a gallstone operation. I am > desperate not to have this and therefore looking for a more 'natural' > way of solving this problem. > I have a 17mm gallstone in my gallbladder that has been causing me > very painful attacks for the past 3 years but I really REALLY dont > want my gallbladder removed or even undertake an operation. > I'm sorry if all the information is in the website, but time is > running out for me and therefore looking for direct answers! > Has anyone heard of any problems with largish gallstones > getting 'stuck' in a duct etc after doing the cleanse? I'm absolutely > convinced this 'procedure' will work but terrified of causing more > damage if when I dislodge the gallstone and it getting trapped > somewhere! > Also, does anyone else know of people in the UK who have supported > this? Desperate to speak to someone in person who has done this > before! > Any help would be fab and do apologise for not having the time to > look more indepth before asking such questions! > Kind regards, Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2002 Report Share Posted January 18, 2002 Welcome Michele, You've come to the right place. The flushing really works. Plese forgive my ignorance and am embarrased to ask but I only understand inches. How long is 17 mm in inches? My husband had a gallstone 1 1/4 inches come out last weekend! He didn't even feel it, there it was. Everyone will help you together. http://curezone.com is a good place to start learning. of Dewberry Hill Michele said: I have a 17mm gallstone in my gallbladder that has been causing me very painful attacks for the past 3 years but I really REALLY dont want my gallbladder removed or even undertake an operation. " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2002 Report Share Posted January 18, 2002 Hi , Thanks for the kind words and advise! Basically, although the doctor told me the stone was too big for keyhole surgery as its 17mm (roughly only 3/4 inch!). Every time I read up on cleansing and what other people have managed to rid themselves of in a 'natural' way, the more astounded I am of the medical profession and their lack of knowledge regarding alternative natural 'cures'. Why isn't cleansing a well documented subject and allow others to help themselves? Did you do the parasite cleanse before the liver/gallbladder clense? Dr Hulda seems to strongly recommend this but I can't seem to track down the necessary ingredients needed - (Black Walnut Green Tincture, Wormwood Tincture and Cloves Tincture). Also, no one has even heard of Gold Coin Grass (I understand this helps soften them before hand)! Any ideas? Many thanks, Michele -----Original Message----- From: of Dewberry Hill [mailto:cozad76078@...] Sent: Friday, 18 Jan 2002 2:06 am gallstones Subject: Re: Newcomer from UK! Welcome Michele, You've come to the right place. The flushing really works. Plese forgive my ignorance and am embarrased to ask but I only understand inches. How long is 17 mm in inches? My husband had a gallstone 1 1/4 inches come out last weekend! He didn't even feel it, there it was. Everyone will help you together. http://curezone.com is a good place to start learning. of Dewberry Hill Michele said: I have a 17mm gallstone in my gallbladder that has been causing me very painful attacks for the past 3 years but I really REALLY dont want my gallbladder removed or even undertake an operation. " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2002 Report Share Posted January 18, 2002 Hi , Thanks for the kind words and advise! Basically, although the doctor told me the stone was too big for keyhole surgery as its 17mm (roughly only 3/4 inch!). Every time I read up on cleansing and what other people have managed to rid themselves of in a 'natural' way, the more astounded I am of the medical profession and their lack of knowledge regarding alternative natural 'cures'. Why isn't cleansing a well documented subject and allow others to help themselves? Did you do the parasite cleanse before the liver/gallbladder clense? Dr Hulda seems to strongly recommend this but I can't seem to track down the necessary ingredients needed - (Black Walnut Green Tincture, Wormwood Tincture and Cloves Tincture). Also, no one has even heard of Gold Coin Grass (I understand this helps soften them before hand)! Any ideas? Many thanks, Michele -----Original Message----- From: of Dewberry Hill [mailto:cozad76078@...] Sent: Friday, 18 Jan 2002 2:06 am gallstones Subject: Re: Newcomer from UK! Welcome Michele, You've come to the right place. The flushing really works. Plese forgive my ignorance and am embarrased to ask but I only understand inches. How long is 17 mm in inches? My husband had a gallstone 1 1/4 inches come out last weekend! He didn't even feel it, there it was. Everyone will help you together. http://curezone.com is a good place to start learning. of Dewberry Hill Michele said: I have a 17mm gallstone in my gallbladder that has been causing me very painful attacks for the past 3 years but I really REALLY dont want my gallbladder removed or even undertake an operation. " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2002 Report Share Posted January 18, 2002 Hi , Thanks for the kind words and advise! Basically, although the doctor told me the stone was too big for keyhole surgery as its 17mm (roughly only 3/4 inch!). Every time I read up on cleansing and what other people have managed to rid themselves of in a 'natural' way, the more astounded I am of the medical profession and their lack of knowledge regarding alternative natural 'cures'. Why isn't cleansing a well documented subject and allow others to help themselves? Did you do the parasite cleanse before the liver/gallbladder clense? Dr Hulda seems to strongly recommend this but I can't seem to track down the necessary ingredients needed - (Black Walnut Green Tincture, Wormwood Tincture and Cloves Tincture). Also, no one has even heard of Gold Coin Grass (I understand this helps soften them before hand)! Any ideas? Many thanks, Michele -----Original Message----- From: of Dewberry Hill [mailto:cozad76078@...] Sent: Friday, 18 Jan 2002 2:06 am gallstones Subject: Re: Newcomer from UK! Welcome Michele, You've come to the right place. The flushing really works. Plese forgive my ignorance and am embarrased to ask but I only understand inches. How long is 17 mm in inches? My husband had a gallstone 1 1/4 inches come out last weekend! He didn't even feel it, there it was. Everyone will help you together. http://curezone.com is a good place to start learning. of Dewberry Hill Michele said: I have a 17mm gallstone in my gallbladder that has been causing me very painful attacks for the past 3 years but I really REALLY dont want my gallbladder removed or even undertake an operation. " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2002 Report Share Posted January 18, 2002 Michele, I didn't do the parasite cleanse because I have regular bowel stools anyway. Also, I did do a pill form 1 year ago anyway. I also can't find all those herbs to do the parasite cleanse. You will find out that herbs and medicines like Gold Coin Grass, Chanca Piedra, Actigal, etc, will soften and breakdown the cholesterol stones that are newer and haven't calcified hard yet. These soft stones are usually in your liver and pass so easily by cleansing anyway. I don't mean to discourage you or anyone else in our group but I understand a lot more now than when I started a couple of months ago. There are some things about GB stones that need to be said. I have had 3 successful flushes getting out over 100 stones but I still have that 1cm stone that shows up on ultrasound in my GB. I've realized that I have cleaned out my liver of a lot of sludge and soft- er liver stones. Some stones may even have came from my GB. But what about that hard stone that causes my pain when I eat a heavy meal? I mean, this was the reason I started cleansing in the first place was to stop the pain. What I've learned is that while some people (maybe 10%) have gotten out that big, hard GB stone on the first flush, for most of us it will be harder and we will have to work in different ways to get it out. First we must break it down or dissolve the stone over time with a good diet and herbs if you like. It could take months. Also, continue to flush and hope that it will come out. Could take 1, 5, 10 flushes, who knows. It will be harder in my opnion. Or at least according to my experience and what I've read in here so far. So, don't be discouraged but also don't be mislead. A lot of stories on here are about cholesterol liver stones coming out by the hundreds but the bigger, calcified, GB stone is a different animal to conquer in my opnion. Good luck. Barry. > Hi , > > Thanks for the kind words and advise! Basically, although the doctor told me > the stone was too big for keyhole surgery as its 17mm (roughly only 3/4 > inch!). Every time I read up on cleansing and what other people have managed > to rid themselves of in a 'natural' way, the more astounded I am of the > medical profession and their lack of knowledge regarding alternative natural > 'cures'. Why isn't cleansing a well documented subject and allow others to > help themselves? > > Did you do the parasite cleanse before the liver/gallbladder clense? Dr > Hulda seems to strongly recommend this but I can't seem to track down > the necessary ingredients needed - (Black Walnut Green Tincture, Wormwood > Tincture and Cloves Tincture). Also, no one has even heard of Gold Coin > Grass (I understand this helps soften them before hand)! Any ideas? > > Many thanks, Michele > > -----Original Message----- > From: of Dewberry Hill [mailto:cozad76078@y...] > Sent: Friday, 18 Jan 2002 2:06 am > gallstones@y... > Subject: Re: Newcomer from UK! > > > > Welcome Michele, You've come to the right place. The flushing really > works. Plese forgive my ignorance and am embarrased to ask but I only > understand inches. How long is 17 mm in inches? My husband had a gallstone 1 > 1/4 inches come out last weekend! He didn't even feel it, there it was. > Everyone will help you together. http://curezone.com is a good place to > start learning. > > of Dewberry Hill > > Michele said: I have a 17mm gallstone in my gallbladder that has been > causing me > very painful attacks for the past 3 years but I really REALLY dont > want my gallbladder removed or even undertake an operation. > > > > " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun > is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if > there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross > " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he > that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of > life. " Holy Bible > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2002 Report Share Posted January 18, 2002 Another thing Michele, I've read your posts and get the impression that your fear is more in passing a big stone through a small duct and possibly getting stuck. With the epsom, and oil/fruit mixture the stones soften but also the ducts dialate. The common duct and cystic duct is only around 2-3 mm in size. The GB is like the size of an unflated balloon. Even though the duct is small it isn't like a rigid garden hose. It is very flexible and can stretch to accommodate a large (2-3cm) stone while flushing. Oh, and it doesn't hurt at all. You can't even feel a stone passing, but if you do it feels normal or sothing even. Hope this helps to ease the worry about duct size, etc. Barry. > Hi , > > Thanks for the kind words and advise! Basically, although the doctor told me > the stone was too big for keyhole surgery as its 17mm (roughly only 3/4 > inch!). Every time I read up on cleansing and what other people have managed > to rid themselves of in a 'natural' way, the more astounded I am of the > medical profession and their lack of knowledge regarding alternative natural > 'cures'. Why isn't cleansing a well documented subject and allow others to > help themselves? > > Did you do the parasite cleanse before the liver/gallbladder clense? Dr > Hulda seems to strongly recommend this but I can't seem to track down > the necessary ingredients needed - (Black Walnut Green Tincture, Wormwood > Tincture and Cloves Tincture). Also, no one has even heard of Gold Coin > Grass (I understand this helps soften them before hand)! Any ideas? > > Many thanks, Michele > > -----Original Message----- > From: of Dewberry Hill [mailto:cozad76078@y...] > Sent: Friday, 18 Jan 2002 2:06 am > gallstones@y... > Subject: Re: Newcomer from UK! > > > > Welcome Michele, You've come to the right place. The flushing really > works. Plese forgive my ignorance and am embarrased to ask but I only > understand inches. How long is 17 mm in inches? My husband had a gallstone 1 > 1/4 inches come out last weekend! He didn't even feel it, there it was. > Everyone will help you together. http://curezone.com is a good place to > start learning. > > of Dewberry Hill > > Michele said: I have a 17mm gallstone in my gallbladder that has been > causing me > very painful attacks for the past 3 years but I really REALLY dont > want my gallbladder removed or even undertake an operation. > > > > " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun > is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if > there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross > " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he > that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of > life. " Holy Bible > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2002 Report Share Posted January 18, 2002 Michele, I truly believe you are no different than the rest of us who pass large stones (one of mine was 3/4 of an inch). The stones soften when you do the flush, so they are not hard and pass easily through the ducts opened by the epsom salt. There is no pain when the do pass. Yes, I did the premilinary cleanses. I was very skeptical of all of this and did lots of study and cleansing first. My fears were unfounded. It is so easy. And as far as parasite cleanses. You can get a good one take your pick (Clear, Parraway, ParaCleanse etc, etc.) Ask the health food store for their best one if you don't want to wait for one to ship to you. And get a good bowel cleanser. I think those are the two most important cleanses to do first. I waited weeks and did all the cleanses, but I had no problems...yet got out lots of stones, some pretty big. Go for it! We will support you, as we are all still learning, too. Be sure not to eat very lightly the AM of the flush and no fat. But then you can hang around here while you do the other cleanses and listen to us squawk about our stones. I'm doing another flush Sunday night. of Dewberry Hill Hi , Thanks for the kind words and advise! Basically, although the doctor told me the stone was too big for keyhole surgery as its 17mm (roughly only 3/4 inch!). Every time I read up on cleansing and what other people have managed to rid themselves of in a 'natural' way, the more astounded I am of the medical profession and their lack of knowledge regarding alternative natural 'cures'. Why isn't cleansing a well documented subject and allow others to help themselves? Did you do the parasite cleanse before the liver/gallbladder clense? Dr Hulda seems to strongly recommend this but I can't seem to track down the necessary ingredients needed - (Black Walnut Green Tincture, Wormwood Tincture and Cloves Tincture). Also, no one has even heard of Gold Coin Grass (I understand this helps soften them before hand)! Any ideas? Many thanks, Michele " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 At or about 14:26, 18/01/02 (my clock), Susie wrote in Digest Number 924: >I had a stone >come out that was at least one inch. My hubby stuck a ruler up next to it. >It was a whopper! I'm interested in knowing if 1 inch was the largest dimension or the smallest. Could the stone have come out in an orientation that makes it easy to pass through the duct? I'm sure that I'm not the only one who is concerned with a stone lodging in a duct and thus requiring emergency intervention. ----------------------- IRA L. JACOBSON ----------------------- mailto:laser@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 Barry keyed in the following in Digest Number 925: >What I've learned is that while some people (maybe 10%) have gotten >out that big, hard GB stone on the first flush, for most of us it >will be harder and we will have to work in different ways to get it >out. First we must break it down or dissolve the stone over time with >a good diet and herbs if you like. It could take months. I would like to hear from people who have indeed broken down of dissolved stones that appear in ultrasound scanning of the gall bladder. As Barry notes, that is indeed what motivates all (most, some?) of us, myself included. Has anyone successfully used Chanca Piedra, Chinese Coin Grass or any other product? Alternatively, how many have pased the imaged gall bllader stones by flushing? On the first flush, second one or which one? ----------------------- IRA L. JACOBSON ----------------------- mailto:laser@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 Ira, This is a subject I would like answered with more importance and detail as well. Liver stones being flushed by the hundreds is great but the 1cm gb stone still there causing the pain has caused me to investigate more in depth to this whole process of cleansing to avoid surgery. I've had 3 'successful' liver stone flushes with over 100 stones. Some measuring 1cm but the 1cm 'hard, calcified' stone is still there according to ultrasound and also still caused the pain after eating heavy meals. I love to have a healthy liver and clean my body of sludge and liver toxins but I also want to get rid of the 'problem, pain' stone. I have picked up a few things over the 2 months of visiting this site and other sites about breaking down, reducing the size, etc of these hard-er stones. Medications like Actigal can be used but could take a year and is primarily for soft cholesterol liver stones. The harder stones may take a long time to reduce in size so that flushing from the gb would be easier. Someone on here ( I think Ken ) has used Chanca Piedra for 7 months and claims that his 3cm gb 'ultrasound' stone has reduced to nearly 2cm. He wants to reduce a little further to be able to flush it out I guess. Gold Coin Grass is a herb that will help promote bile flow but not used for breaking down hard stones. This is what I've gathered, I may be wrong. Promoting better bile flow is supposed to help reduce size of hard stones but will take time. The best think I've heard so far is to diet properly, continue flushing, and over time (could be 1 to 10 flushes, could be 1 to 10 months) the stone will slowly reduce in size and flush easily. It seems that it really isn't the size of the stone (1cm or 2cm) but rather the ability and health of your gb to produce and move bile through your gb that will determine the success of your diet and flushing. Healthy bile production and flow will reduce the size of big gb stones over time. Slow bile flow and sluggish liver will slow down your body and produce more stones. Some herbs and teas are taken religiously by some claiming to reduce stone size but I am still researching the herbs and methods. One method that is very interesting and is part of my current investigation into this matter is suggestive alternative medicines. A lot of alternative medicines (like holistic) is very much mind suggestive. For instance; you buy a small bottle of 'medicine' claiming to eliminate stones. You take 4 drops, 3 times a day under the tongue. In reality it may be only water but the suggestive power of the mind to heal can actually produce the healing effect that your body needs. Some people have been cured of cancer this way. The mind can control the body and suggestion is powerful. Example; the mind is sad so the body will weep tears. The emotion causes a bodily physical action. Amazing that thoughts can become physical. The suggest could work like this. While taking the 'healing drops', you meditate every evening that you are lying on a beach and the gb stone is melting away like a piece of ice. Doing this everyday can actually change your meditative thought to the bodily reduction of your stone. Or cancer. This is only a current method that I've read about and am also thinking about trying. The mind is powerful. Who knows? May work. Anyway, I hope to hear more about gb stones, pain still there, what to do, lying on right side, left side, etc. Many of us are only talking about hundreds of liver stones but we are not talking about the continual problem stone in the gb and the pain that is still there when eating fatty or large meals. I'de love to hear 'the problem' addressed more with experiences, examples, and possible herbs, diets, methods of elimination or reducing the 'problem stone'. Thanks to all who have read this and please give us more replies. Barry. > Barry keyed in the following in Digest Number 925: > >What I've learned is that while some people (maybe 10%) have gotten > >out that big, hard GB stone on the first flush, for most of us it > >will be harder and we will have to work in different ways to get it > >out. First we must break it down or dissolve the stone over time with > >a good diet and herbs if you like. It could take months. > > I would like to hear from people who have indeed broken down of dissolved > stones that appear in ultrasound scanning of the gall bladder. As Barry > notes, that is indeed what motivates all (most, some?) of us, myself included. > > Has anyone successfully used Chanca Piedra, Chinese Coin Grass or any other > product? > > Alternatively, how many have pased the imaged gall bllader stones by > flushing? On the first flush, second one or which one? > > > > > ----------------------- > IRA L. JACOBSON > ----------------------- > mailto:laser@i... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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