Re: Re: magnets

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I've enjoyed the conversation about Magnets, and being a distributor for

magnetics, I have a source for you with some magnetic research and

information:

http//:www.5pillars.com

On the right hand side of this page is " magnetic research " . Enjoy reading!

Jacque

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<<<<<Dale wrote the following in Digest Number 959:

>I'll just tell you a bit about magnets, and that's simply that a lot of

>testing has been done to show that they do in fact work. The reason they

>work is because of what is known as the Hall effect. This is an electrical

>situation where something will heat up because of the changing polarities

of

>magnetic fields. In the case of magnets they would need to be a multiple of

>North and South in an area to accomplish this with the blood supply as it

>passes from one point to another. Some manufacturer have multiple rings of

>magnets so that the blood supply cutting across a path will be influenced

by

>the negative and positive polarities, others have small squares of north

and

>south bundled together.

Just a little background. The Hall Effect refers to the development of a

transverse electric field in a solid material when it carries an electric

current and is placed in a magnetic field perpendicular to the direction of

the current. This phenomenon, BTW, was discovered in 1879 by a U.S.

physicist named Edwin Herbert Hall. The electric field (or Hall field) is a

result of the force that the magnetic field exerts on the moving positive or

negative particles that constitute the electric current.

The Hall voltage that develops across a conductor is directly proportional

to the current, to the magnetic field, and to the nature of the particular

conducting material itself; the Hall voltage is inversely proportional to

the thickness of the material in the direction of the magnetic field.

Because various materials have different Hall coefficients, they develop

different Hall voltages under the same conditions of size, electric current,

and magnetic field. Hall coefficients can be determined experimentally and

vary with temperature.

Having established quantitatively how the Hall voltage is determined, I ask

Dale the following, based on his statement that " and that's simply that a

lot of testing has been done to show that they do in fact work. "

Dale, can you supply references to published works that show that magnets do

indeed work? What work do they accomplish? What magnetic intensities,

currents and voltages are used to make them work? What are the minimum and

maximum values that have been shown to be effective and at the same time

safe?

>The reason they work is because of what is known as the Hall effect. This

is

>an electrical situation where something will heat up because of the

changing

>polarities of magnetic fields.

I don't think that this is the Hall effect at all, nor do I understand

exactly what you're getting at. How do the polarities of permanent magnets

change? Are you thinking of electromagnets connected to an alternating

current source? If so, how does that relate to the proposed cure using

permanent magnets?

>In the case of magnets they would need to be a multiple of North and South

>in an area to accomplish this with the blood supply as it passes from one

>point to another.

What does this mean? What is a multiple of North and South?

>I could also get into explaining why it is that the national electrical

code

>requires a wire from each phase of a transformer to be in each conduit of

a

>multi conduit system. It is because of the vary reason of the Hall effect

>that this requirement is in the code. If each phase of a system was in one

>individual conduit there is a tremendous heat build up at the junction of

an

>electrical box. It really is quite an amazing phenomena.

I am not familiar with this fact, but in any event you are talking about

currents of a magnitude that could kill all members of the gallstones group

in one swell foop!

>I used magnets for my liver condition and can't find any reason not to do

so

>other than cost.

What effect did they have, and how did you verify it? >>>>.

Ira;

Sorry that I can't give you as much information at this time as you would

have liked, but I've put an email out to someone whom I hope will be able to

provide you and me more detailed information, and some studies that have

been done regarding magnetic therapies. I can certainly appreciate your

engineering background but for the purpose of this group I was purely

attempting to keep it simple as I'm not an electrical engineer, and haven't

had to deal with this effect other than running conduit and knowing about

the primary effect of the Hall effect on electrical equipment, and

especially at the points where the conduit or wire enter an electrical

cabinet.

As you are aware the passage of material across a magnetic field will have a

voltage induced no mater what the materials composition as long as it is

conductive in some matter. The effect will often be in the low gauss but

it's there non the less. As you know the Hall effect occurs because of the

up and down or back and forth field cutting across a conductive material.

It's inductance it proportional to the current being drawn. Bob Beck's

zapper or black box is an example of the use of a reversing polarity to

induce a voltage into the blood to help in killing off parasites, where

magnets just work at a much lower intensity. Magnetic therapies for physical

purposes relies on the flow of blood and lymph throughout the areas of the

body. The passage of the blood from one polarity to another is the change to

its polarity and therefore the heating effect it receives as an individual

cell.

In the past, regarding the electrical trade, wiring was done in such a way

that was known as Knob & Tube. This was for all practical purposes a very

safe method excepting the lack of knowledge by some installers or home

owners in dealing with its installation and maintenance. This method however

had one major drawback in that the wire could actually end-up acting like a

coil in a heater if the current passing through it was too much for the size

of the wire. They found that by keeping wires of a circuit close together

the passing fields would oppose and reduce the heating effect of the

alternating current. That's the reason why we have romex wire today and the

code requirement for circuits of a phase to have the neutral in the same

conduit run. This is also the reason for three way circuits being required

to have the three conductor wire instead of just using a two conductor cable

to transpose the conducting wire so that a switch at two locations of a room

could control one light or circuit. It is also the reason why the wiring for

a phase or multi wire circuit is suppose to enter in the same opening into

a cabinet.

Many houses were wired just using two conductor romex for everything,

including the three way lighting ciruits as K & T was phasing out. A wire

would be run from one box to another and then up to the fixture. The wire

would get its hot wire from one location and then feed up to a fixture with

a neutral wire having been picked up at another location, and possibly from

a different circuit run which could then overload a neutral conductor. The

problem with this method was that the load could cause a wire to overheat

and breakdown the insulation causing a potential fire hazard because unlike

K & T the wiring is stapled directly to wood members of a house instead of

being held away from, or protected from touching any wood surface, to reduce

the potential of a fire even if it did turn into a heating element from the

draw of current. Running the wire with the to and fro in close proximately

of it would not let the wire turn into a heating element as readily. This is

the reason why the electrical code requires parallel or even multi wire

circuits to be in close proximity.

As regards the currents that could kill the whole of this group in one fell

swoop, you're right! It's these types of power levels with which the utility

companies have to deal. But, none the less, even at the lower voltages there

can be problems with the hall effect on electrial equipment, and therefore

the varilous requirements for its installation. Power being supplied to a

large building certainly can get a strong field going between the box

connections from were one phase would enter and have the others adjacent to

it. That's why there is the requirement for paralleled feeders to equate to

one wire in multiple conduits to have a wire from each phase in each

conduit, and then be connected in the panel to make up as one connductor.

This is certainly far more than I would have wanted to have to get into

regarding the use of magnets on this group because I don't believe most

people here are going to have a clue as to what you and I are talking about.

You and I could sit down at table with a glass of wine or a few bottles of

beer and could then discuss with impunity this subject, but as to how it

worked for me it simply reduced the level of my pain. It did it a number of

times to where I didn't bother taking any pain medication for my gallbladder

or liver attacks and I use it toay for my knees and back pain when those

tend to hurt. This isn't something that can be anything more than antidotal

at this time regarding me and my use of magnets. I do however hope to

acquire the more in-depth information of which you are seeking to satisfy

your engineering requirements. However for the time being I'll just direct

everyone here to some websites with some pertinent information;

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/g2603/0005/2603000504/p1/article.jhtml

http://www.heartlandhealing.com/pages/archive/magnets/

http://www.indiangyan.com/books/magnetbooks/magnetic_cure/index.shtml

Dale

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I got one of the highest quality magnet mattress pads you can get with the

strongest magnets or most or whatever, and have used it for a year and a half

and noticed NO difference, except my pocket book. And I havent followed this

thread very well, sorry...did I miss something? How do they help get rid of

gallstones? of DH

I've enjoyed the conversation about Magnets, and being a distributor for

magnetics, I have a source for you with some magnetic research and

information:

http//:www.5pillars.com

On the right hand side of this page is " magnetic research " . Enjoy reading!

Jacque

" People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is

out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there

is alight within. " -Kubler Ross

" Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that

followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. "

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> Dale,

>

> You're right. I don't want to wire my house or need such detailed

> explanations about electrical currents. How about for the layman, in

> English? haha

>

> When you reduced the gb colic pain with magnets, how did you apply

> them? At the time of attack? Daily? And what strenght magnets did you

> use? Where did you place them? One behind the back and one over the

> gb? Please tell me (us) how you applied them to get relief. Do you

> think they reduced the size of your gallstones?

>

> Thanks,

> Barry.

The way I used them was to just put it over the area of the liver. I didn't

think about it at the time but I probably could have just laid it under the

right side of my back. Although I don't like to advertise just what brand of

products I use I have the Nikken magnets and they are designed so as to have

small, around 5 mm squares, of magnets placed together as a pad. This then

allows the blood to pass numerous north and south points. It really is so

easy to do that it just isn't as complicated as one may want to make it.

As to reducing the size of the stones, I doubt it. It just works on the

nerve centers and the blood supply to help in relieving the pain associated

with a gallbladder or liver attack. I just feel fortunate to have had them

along with some of the other tools I used to eventually rid myself of

gallstones, for the time being. I have passed more stones with my colonic

flushes so I really haven't been as good a boy as I should have been. But,

hey, it's really nice to be able to enjoy some of the foods I'd gone two

years without eating to keep things in check.

I haven't given in totally to the desire for fatty foods. I still maintain

my efforts at keeping my wits about me when shopping or eating at a

restaurant.

Dale

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Which one do you have , because I also brought what was supposed to be

the best and have very little or no difference.

nne

> I got one of the highest quality magnet mattress pads you can get with the

> strongest magnets or most or whatever, and have used it for a year and a

> half and noticed NO difference, except my pocket book. And I havent

> followed this thread very well, sorry...did I miss something? How do they

> help get rid of gallstones? of DH

>

>

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As far as I know a magnet is a magnet is a magnet. There are ceramic and metal ones, round and long. But it is the polarization of energy that makes it work.

Gayla Always Enough RanchAcampo, Californiagoatclearing@... http://coloredboers.home.att.net/always.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Toni

health

Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 8:19 PM

Subject: Re: Re: magnets

OK another dumb question: Are the magnets 'special' magnets or just regular magnets?

I need to start making a reference book here

Thanks

Toni