Re: Coffee enema, coffee?

[Guest guest]

Gee, I never thought of putting [yum!] organic coffee 'where the sun

don't shine' but I do drink some now and then...

I think the jury is split on this issue, but I've wondered for myself

and my own healing...*is* coffee, or caffeine in general because I do

like my English tea, bad for people with post implant issues? What do

you think?

Respectfully,

A drizzly day on the Oregon coast

[Guest guest]

I would say a very small amount of organic coffee

would not be a really bad thing. It is the

people who drink cup after cup that would have

adrenal problems (as well as other problems) from

it. Organic green tea is excellent. I do think

green tea is better for us than coffee in any

form. Also tea is probably better for us than

coffee for the most part, and many teas have lots of antioxidants.

Lynda

At 11:17 AM 9/15/2006, you wrote:

>Gee, I never thought of putting [yum!] organic coffee 'where the sun

>don't shine' but I do drink some now and then...

>I think the jury is split on this issue, but I've wondered for myself

>and my own healing...*is* coffee, or caffeine in general because I do

>like my English tea, bad for people with post implant issues? What do

>you think?

>Respectfully,

>

>A drizzly day on the Oregon coast

>

[Guest guest]

The Oregon coast is gorgeous....I have fond memories of the coastline there...

I considered the 'coffee enema' but read to many reports that made me nervous.

So I only

drink my coffee. And I don't drink as much as I once did.

>

> Gee, I never thought of putting [yum!] organic coffee 'where the sun

> don't shine' but I do drink some now and then...

> I think the jury is split on this issue, but I've wondered for myself

> and my own healing...*is* coffee, or caffeine in general because I do

> like my English tea, bad for people with post implant issues? What do

> you think?

> Respectfully,

>

> A drizzly day on the Oregon coast

>

[Guest guest]

The Oregon Coast is the most beautiful of the Western Coast.

Lynda

At 05:20 PM 9/15/2006, you wrote:

>The Oregon coast is gorgeous....I have fond memories of the coastline there...

>

>I considered the 'coffee enema' but read to many

>reports that made me nervous. So I only

>drink my coffee. And I don't drink as much as I once did.

>

>

> >

> > Gee, I never thought of putting [yum!] organic coffee 'where the sun

> > don't shine' but I do drink some now and then...

> > I think the jury is split on this issue, but I've wondered for myself

> > and my own healing...*is* coffee, or caffeine in general because I do

> > like my English tea, bad for people with post implant issues? What do

> > you think?

> > Respectfully,

> >

> > A drizzly day on the Oregon coast

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Caffeine acts as a drug, (is neurotoxic) and so is not recommended in a healthy diet. There are many, many choices for beverages that don't have caffeine, which include herbal teas and coffee substitutes like Teechino. However, there are advantages to drinking tea, due to the antioxidant content. I think you could say the jury is split on the caffeine issue! To each is own. Whatever makes you happy. I am not so sure the jury is split on the coffee enema issue by those who know the value of detoxification. Every naturopath I have seen and even some MD's have recommended them or suggested them. I think the only ones who have a problem with coffee enemas are those who are still very much immersed in allopathic medicine and read the propaganda put out by those who want to denigrate alternative medicine methods. It just takes an open mind.

The research is out there on coffee enemas and there is scientific validation for them. I am not trying to persuade you, as I feel that everyone has to be comfortable with what they choose to do. I just want to clarify that according to my research, they are VALID. Patty Crocker <dwcrn@...> wrote: Gee, I never thought of putting [yum!] organic coffee 'where the sun don't shine' but I do drink some now and then...I think the

jury is split on this issue, but I've wondered for myself and my own healing...*is* coffee, or caffeine in general because I do like my English tea, bad for people with post implant issues? What do you think?Respectfully,A drizzly day on the Oregon coast

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[Guest guest]

Patty,

I asked Dr. Leu about coffee enemas some time ago. He said because of my

clean diet and the fact that my bowels move one to three times per day, that

it wasn't something I would benefit from. Would you disagree? Since you

have read so much on it, I'm curious if you think we all would benefit.

Thanks!

Kenda

> Caffeine acts as a drug, (is neurotoxic) and so is not recommended in a

> healthy diet. There are many, many choices for beverages that don't have

> caffeine, which include herbal teas and coffee substitutes like Teechino.

>

> However, there are advantages to drinking tea, due to the antioxidant

> content.

>

> I think you could say the jury is split on the caffeine issue! To each is

> own. Whatever makes you happy.

>

> I am not so sure the jury is split on the coffee enema issue by those who

> know the value of detoxification. Every naturopath I have seen and even some

> MD's have recommended them or suggested them. I think the only ones who have

> a problem with coffee enemas are those who are still very much immersed in

> allopathic medicine and read the propaganda put out by those who want to

> denigrate alternative medicine methods. It just takes an open mind. The

> research is out there on coffee enemas and there is scientific validation for

> them. I am not trying to persuade you, as I feel that everyone has to be

> comfortable with what they choose to do. I just want to clarify that

> according to my research, they are VALID.

> Patty

>

>

>

>

> Crocker <dwcrn@...> wrote:

> Gee, I never thought of putting [yum!] organic coffee 'where the sun

> don't shine' but I do drink some now and then...

> I think the jury is split on this issue, but I've wondered for myself

> and my own healing...*is* coffee, or caffeine in general because I do

> like my English tea, bad for people with post implant issues? What do

> you think?

> Respectfully,

>

> A drizzly day on the Oregon coast

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

> I just want to clarify that according to my research, they are VALID.

> Patty

Could you give some specifics as to where you were able to find research

study results for your statement. I'm just concerned about the use of

the word VALID and 'according to my research.'

[Guest guest]

>

> I also wanted to mention that there is some research out there that

> says caffeine protects against Parkinson's disease....so, the jury

> really still is split on this one.

>

> Patty

Sorry! I have a problem with 'there is some research out there.'

Parkinson's is a very serious neurological disease which has no easy

answers. There is no known cause, and treatment is maintenance rather

than cure. I have a friend with Parkinson's.

[Guest guest]

Are we talking about coffee enemas or caffeine in coffee and tea? Toxic

guts or migraine headaches? I'm having trouble following here.

2 doctors disagree about the desirability of coffee enemas for the

average person.

Caffeine seems to have 2 sides, one that can cause headaches for people,

particularly when they stop drinking beverages containing it, and one

that helps migraine type headaches that have at their base dilated

arteries in the head. Most people seem to agree that caffeine does

constrict arteries.

Different strokes for different folks.

:-)

[Guest guest]

Recently it was mentioned on TV that caffeine

shows some promise in protecting against

Parkinson's. I remember hearing it, but could not give you any more info.

And, there is an abundance of research on coffee

enemas. You can research it yourself. It is

good to be a skeptic, but until you have

researched it yourself (not relied on others to

do so), you should not set yourself up as a judge of this procedure.

For many years doctors and scientists have

researched products they could make big $$$$ on,

and they ignore many therapies that were tried

and true for many generations. We have all heard

the skeptics, so it does not surprise us when

some of the survivors of implants are in that

group. All we ask is that you do the research.

Lynda

At 10:00 PM 9/15/2006, you wrote:

> >

> > I also wanted to mention that there is some research out there that

> > says caffeine protects against Parkinson's disease....so, the jury

> > really still is split on this one.

> >

> > Patty

>

>Sorry! I have a problem with 'there is some research out there.'

>Parkinson's is a very serious neurological disease which has no easy

>answers. There is no known cause, and treatment is maintenance rather

>than cure. I have a friend with Parkinson's.

>

>

[Guest guest]

, there is research out there regarding coffee and Parkinson's Disease.

There was a write up about it in Vegetarian Times magazine very recently as

well as on TV. Perhaps you should research it to find additional

information that suits you. Coffee was not used as a treatment, it was used

as a preventative.

Kenda

>>

>> Patty

>

> Sorry! I have a problem with 'there is some research out there.'

> Parkinson's is a very serious neurological disease which has no easy

> answers. There is no known cause, and treatment is maintenance rather

> than cure. I have a friend with Parkinson's.

>

[Guest guest]

Both were being discussed, in different emails.

Kenda

> Are we talking about coffee enemas or caffeine in coffee and tea? Toxic

> guts or migraine headaches? I'm having trouble following here.

> 2 doctors disagree about the desirability of coffee enemas for the

> average person.

> Caffeine seems to have 2 sides, one that can cause headaches for people,

> particularly when they stop drinking beverages containing it, and one

> that helps migraine type headaches that have at their base dilated

> arteries in the head. Most people seem to agree that caffeine does

> constrict arteries.

> Different strokes for different folks.

> :-)

[Guest guest]

Sure. I can give you what English references I can find. There are German ones that are available, but you'd have to search further for those. Pardon this post's arrangement. I'll be doing cutting and pasting. Check the many, many links for coffee enemas. Here are a few, which will lead you to further information, like names and dates. The coffee enema was recorded as early as 1917 and was recommended in the prestigious Merck Manual until the mid-1970s. In the 1920s, German scientists found that a caffeine solution could open the bile ducts and stimulate the production of bile in the liver of experimental animals. Start with some of the many internet references: http://www.enempo.com/coffee.htm http://healingdeva.com/coffee_enemas.htm http://www.sawilsons.com/history.htm Then look up the names: Dr. Lee Wattenberg: (University of Minnesota, Department of Pathology, Minneapolis) ("In 1981, for instance, Dr. Lee Wattenberg and his colleagues were able to show that substances found in coffee - kahweol and cafestol palmitate - promote the activity of a key enzyme system, glutathione

S-transferase, above the norm. This system detoxifies a vast array of electrophiles from the bloodstream and, according to Gar Hildenbrand of the Gerson Institute, "must be regarded as an important mechanism for carcinogen detoxification." This enzyme group is responsible for neutralizing free radicals, harmful chemicals now commonly implicated in the initiation of cancer.") Dr. Lechner, of Graz, Austria ("Dr. Lechner, who is investigating the Gerson method at the Landeskrankenhaus of Graz, Austria, has reported that "coffee enemas have a definite effect on the colon which can be observed with an

endoscope.") Gar Hildenbrand -- This link discusses how the Gerson therapy works in scientific terms. http://www.sawilsons.com/how_the_gerson_therapy_heals.htm Hildenbrand GLG, Hildenbrand C, Bradford K, D, Straus C, Cavin S.The role of follow-up and retrospective data analysis in alternative cancer management: the Gerson experience.J Naturopath Med. 1996;6(1):49-56. http://gerson-research.org/docs/HildenbrandGLG-1996-1/ This link has a humoungous list of references both in English and German regarding the Gerson therapy and

supporting evidence for it (including the dietary aspects) http://gerson-research.org/bibliography/index.html That should get you started anyway. Hope it helps. Of course, the best place to go would be Dr. Max Gerson's books and scientific papers, (most of which are written in German), but his book A Cancer Therapy; Results of 50 Cases is available at the Gerson Institute. I bought mine from Amazon.com Crocker <dwcrn@...> wrote: > I just want to clarify that according to my research, they are VALID.> PattyCould you give some specifics as to where you were able to find research study results for your statement. I'm just concerned about the use of the word VALID and 'according to my research.'

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[Guest guest]

I am sorry you have a friend with this disease. Why do you have a problem with the research that is out there? I was only mentioning it. I am not an expert by any means...just a messenger mentioning what I found. Everything deserves further checking, which there is no doubt we've said over and over again! Crocker <dwcrn@...> wrote: >> I also wanted to mention that there is some research out there that > says caffeine protects against

Parkinson's disease....so, the jury > really still is split on this one.> > PattySorry! I have a problem with 'there is some research out there.' Parkinson's is a very serious neurological disease which has no easy answers. There is no known cause, and treatment is maintenance rather than cure. I have a friend with Parkinson's.

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[Guest guest]

Patty and All, propaganda is right!

I worked with a herbalist, who was a nurse for years. She was in an

accident and ended up in a wheel chair and told she would never walk

again. Being somewhat of a stubborn gal, she said, " no way, "

and studied herbology. She concocted her own formula and called it

Omeda. It was dark brown, smelled and tasted like cloves (some

people were disgusted by it!) She not only recovered fully from her

back injury, but then began helping others, especially Native

Americans of whom she was extremely fond. We travelled together for a

year and held clinics at motels, community centers, and anywhere we

could. We worked 12 - 14 hour days, while on the road. Kind of

insane, but she wouldn't stop seeing people as long as they came for

healing. So we worked until there was no-one in the " waiting room " .

She was incredibly determined to expose some travesties that were

happening to these people. Some were told, when they had a foot

infection, that it was too far gone and their foot had to be

amputated. So, the foot was taken from a native person, and sent to

Eastern Canada for the bones to be used to heal caucasians. That was

just one ugly story. When we were in Duck Lake, Saskatchewan, where I

experienced my first " sweat " - the original sauna! lol - an elderly

woman came to us with a cast on her arm that had been left on too

long, on a doctor's advice. It smelled horrible...her arm was

rotting. My friend told me to go to our hotel room immediately and

get a sheet. She cut off the cast, cleaned her arm, and put it in a

sling. The old woman, with tears in her eyes, said Thank You, in her

language. I'm starting to tear up here....just remembering some of

the incidents.

Some medical " heavies " chased her around and threatened her, forced

her to go underground and move to 3 different locations in 2 years.

I watched people with AIDS fluorish - lab work done to prove it.

Anyway, it sounds like a movie script....it isn't. I lived through

it with her. I've been thinking of her lately, and am going to see

if I can find her in the area.

Again, I reiterate....I include allopathic medicine in my wholistic

lifestyle...it's just that there ARE bad apples in every bunch. We

need to discern and stand up for what's right. I always say, Fight

the Good Fight!

Wow, I've sure got alot to say tonight, don't I?

Love you lots,

Sunny

> Gee, I never thought of putting [yum!] organic

coffee 'where the sun

> don't shine' but I do drink some now and then...

> I think the jury is split on this issue, but I've wondered for

myself

> and my own healing...*is* coffee, or caffeine in general because I

do

> like my English tea, bad for people with post implant issues? What

do

> you think?

> Respectfully,

>

> A drizzly day on the Oregon coast

>

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