Guest guest Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Hi , The article that I posted does not imply that you or anyone with FM has any kind of mental disorder; on the contrary your mind is working as designed. No one can live in this world without picking up psychosomatic problems. I have personally been cured of a chronic sinus problem and a heart condition that lasted 15 years. Let me explain how it works a little bit… When you were born the slate was clean. As you grow up you hit events where you are first introduced to a negative emotion. [i.e. the first time a child finds herself alone in a crib, no one seems to be around… abandonment!!!] In my training this is known as the (ISE) or initial sensitizing event. As you progress through life you hit other events that feel the same way, (SSEs) or subsequent sensitizing events. Your subconscious mind holds these feelings and as you continue to hit these SSEs the feeling magnifies. Have you ever heard the saying " Time heals all wounds? " That's true with your conscious mind but it's the opposite with your subconscious mind. As you hit these SSEs the feeling gets bigger. Another way to think of it is when you hit the first event it's like a seed being planted in your subconscious mind. Then as you keep hitting other events that feel the same way it's like someone taking out a watering can and watering that seed. The seed turns into a tree, and then into a really big tree. Once it gets big enough you get symptoms. Your unconscious mind governs you physically and is a slave to the emotions that are building in the subconscious mind. So you end up getting pain and fatigue or whatever. Everyone's minds work this way. What I do when working with people is much like detective work. We track down where the feeling first was encountered and we neutralize the feeling there. Once this is done the unconscious mind is still reacting off of the feelings in the subconscious mind but the feelings have changed. Therefore the fatigue and pain go away. This is the mind, body connection. If you feel sad the body produces tears. Anger causes increased breathing, heart rate, and blood pressure. Embarrassment, blood rushes to the face. The feeling of fear causes adrenaline push, hairs stand on end, heart rate increase, possible urination, and sweating, possible freeze in place. Stress causes skin disorders, stomach ulcer, high blood pressure, fatigue, heart disease and SO many more physical problems. Fibro is just like this. In fact I also help people with IBS, RLS, CFS, osteoarthritis, and migraine headache. Also when people have pseudo disorders it is usually psychosomatic. I believe that every feeling causes a physical reaction but you don't notice most of them. God bless you, Tim Bartley > > Okay, I can't keep my mouth shut any longer. Old Tim seems to have given > > all a ride to insult and waste of time. > > I am one to say if someone claims something and presents the great > > program with juicy and colorful words and doesn't hand us the facts...there > > something smelly in the kitchen. He has a thing with psycho trauma issues > > (we have discussed before) but has shown no patients to share or give > > support to hisprogram. When this happened before in this site > > we are able to recognize them. > > Yes, many here have had a traumatic experiences that > > may have begun our illness. But it is THE DARN PAIN, FATIGUE, SWELLING, > > RASHES, ETC. ETC. ETC.. that needs the cure. > > For some of us this disease made its appearance after a surgery, accident, or even after > a third child. Some others have other origins to this illness. Does this make > > us a group of psycho traumatic dummies...bah humbug! > > There is always an origin of physical illness, the KEY is to find the complete > cure where doctors cannot help us or won't(like mine). > > What we have found here in the site is a natural health cure with no one > > giving us some psycho mumbo jumbo of the ailment. We know we are going > > through the stresses of life, who isn't??? > What we need is acknowledge the fact that whatever began our illness, > has us in a roller coaster ride and we need to put on the brakes. Do we have > > a crazy family causing this? Do we have relatives causing us grief? Do we have > friends, employers, co workers causing headaches? Do we have alcohol or > > drug related relatives, friends, or situations??? SO WHAT!? There are plenty > > in the world that do have this same thing. There are some of us who are more > > physically Sensitive to the world's stress, or drugs, or environment, or chemicals. > > In this little area of ours, we learn to > > encourage, support, and learn from one another to lead a wholesome healthy > > life through diet, attitude, prayer, and wonderful friends. > > Positive support and HOPE are Key Factors to the road of Healing. We have been > > blessed to have more in this site than others. God Bless Us All! > Now this was a free consultation....You did have to pay for all that talk. > > May we encourage one another to a more positive outlook and learn the healthy way > to live, and enjoy Life once again. > > Love to all, > > > > > > ________________________________ > > To: fibromyalgiacured > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 6:54 AM > Subject: RE: Re: Tim Testimonies > > >  > >>>Tim sounded like he had the cure for fibro. If so...why not share his client's testimonials? > > With all due respect, Tim sounded to me like just another in a very long line of slick pitches from thinly credentialed self-described 'experts' jumping on the bandwagon to make $$ off the ill and desperate. I am still, at this point, willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and allow that perhaps he genuinely believes his method is a cure based on his clearly limited understanding of FMS and based upon a few success stories from his clientele. Perhaps he really has had clients report full relief from their fibro symptoms, but without full background details and case histories verifiable by reliable third party sources, we AND HE have no way of determining the degree of truth to this so-called cure. We cannot know whether these clients had been diagnosed by recognized criteria or had self-diagnosed after a few months of feeling off. We cannot know whether the root cause of their conditions were also addressed or even guess at the root cause of > each individual's condition -- and I do believe that fibromyalgia is a not a specific disease in and of itself, but a syndrome, a set of symptoms produced by various other conditions. I believe this because researchers have been able to produce fibromyalgia symptoms in healthy test patients through sleep deprivation, and because effective treatments vary so greatly among patients. > > And without a dialogue with Tim, we cannot begin to determine whether he's a genuine resource or a slick pitch artist -- and I say this with the experience of 20 years of fibro and a background as a journalist, research analyst, and author who's been active on the internet for a very long time. Yes, I'm professionally trained to be skeptical, and my professional history has reinforced that skepticism. That's been a very useful tool in managing my fibro and dealing with the root causes of my symptom since I was diagnosed ---- and actually, in even obtaining a diagnosis beyond, " here, take this pill. It should make you feel better. " I've gone from being unable to hold a pen long enough to write a single check, unable to walk half a block, to being able to carry a 50 lb. bag of feed or a bale of hay easily. > > I do hope Tim will step up and participate for the benefit of those who might find his treatment helpful. I've personally found a great deal of relief and greater control over fibro management through a similar form of therapy which is directed at the stresses the unconscious mind carries. Had that been the root cause of my fibro, I'd be cured. Had diet been the root cause, I'd also be cured because I've done the whole ketosis, low carb, and several others directed specifically at known gut issues and intolerances. Because of those treatments, I'm significantly improved. I'm not cured, though, and still am choosing among the therapies that seem to be a proper match. > > P > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Hi Tim, Just my two cents: there is no part of my brain causing fibro. Mine was caused by nerve damage received from a car accident--broken back. The nerve damage has led to auto-immune disease and an inability to detox. On top of that, candida because of the ridiculous amounts of actibiotics I have consumed due to chronic uti and sinus infections. Therefore, I fail to see how anyone rummaging in my brain can help me. But thanks for sharing! > > Thank you for explaining your beliefs and your process. I’ve read this over several times and I still don’t think this applies to me. I do agree that the mind is a powerful thing and in some cases may cause a person to become physically ill. However, I’ve seen enough and felt enough illness in my life to say that most illnesses are not caused by mental stress. I don’t believe there is any chance that my Fibromyalgia was caused by any dis ease. I’ve thought long and hard about my situation and know mine had a physical base. > > As for Hypnotherapy, I totally disagree with the use of it. I’ve looked into it and I don’t like the idea of anyone being able to go into another persons mind. I’m sure you mean well, but I feel that there are much better things we can do for our bodies and our minds than to look to the problems we’ve had in our past. I feel that it is much more important for humans to look towards the future and do what we can to make our future better than it was in the past. This would include taking care of our physical bodies by getting the proper nutrients in them, taking care of our mental health by realizing that we do have control over our thoughts and desires, and last but not least taking care of our spiritual health. > > I do believe that your way might help some people understand themselves better, and even reverse some of their symptoms. But I’ve lived with Fibromyalgia long enough to know that your methods would make no difference to me. I do wish you good luck in your endeavors, however. > > Judy H > To Health Through Knowledge > Started taking Low Dose Naltrexone on January 20, 2009 for > Fibromyalgia, Restless Legs Syndrome, Hashimotos Thyroid and PCOS > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDNforFibro/ > > > From: eastlookdrive > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 2:11 PM > To: fibromyalgiacured > Subject: Re: Tim Testimonies > > > Hi Judy, > > I hear what you're saying and can understand that you do not believe it is a psychosomatic problem. When you talk about disease you have to question what came first, the chicken or the egg? Meaning… how does a healthy body become unhealthy? You could have an accident. You could be exposed to some kind of chemical or radiation. Most of the time, from what I work with, it is emotionally based. Emotions govern your unconscous mind, the part of you that governs your body. The mind has over 50 chemicals that it releases... Disease cannot exist within the body unless there is dis ease in the mind. I have cured many things including one case of HIV, and even when I tell that story it's hard for me to believe it. There is another therapist that went through the first school I attended, his name is Steve Parkhill, he wrote a book called Answer Cancer. He has around a 75% success rate in curing cancer and he only works with hospice patients. Hard to believe that isn't it? > > What I do isn't bio feedback at all. What I do is all emotional based. With hypnotherapy you use something called age regression. I target the feeling causing FM. To do this I use something called Parts therapy. We all have different parts of ourselves; we all have conversations in our own minds. For instance when the alarm goes off in morning a voice in your head or a part of you wants to hit snooze or just unplug the clock altogether but another part of you chimes in and says, " Hay, you'd better get up, you have to get out the door! " > > So one way I target the " Part " causing FM is that I build a case like a lawyer. I say that there is a part of you that wants to be completely free from FM! This part of you wants to have lots of energy and wants to be completely free of FM! I then have the person describe the part, I have them give it a shape, a feeling, and a name. Then I call out the FM part. I have them give it a shape, a feeling, and a name. Then I ask it questions, build the feeling (affect bridge), and follow it back to the first time they ever felt the feeling. Now no one ever goes to the first time they ever felt that way but we do find it rather quickly. > > So my client is now reliving the event. Most initial events are between the ages of 0 and 7 years old. After conducting thousands of sessions I began to see certain patterns. Not everyone falls into a specific pattern of course but for FM I have had a lot of people end up in a scene where dad was leaving the family. The child didn't think that they would ever see dad again. This is a big emotional disconnect. I worked with a person in Florida about 4 years ago, her initial event was that she got sick and her mom usually took care of her. This time her dad dropped her off at her grandparents house and mom went to the hospital to give birth to her younger sister. When mom returned with the new child mom never told my client that she loved her anymore, mom only told the new child this. > > So anyway this process isn't a monitoring of physical reactions linked to emotions like bio feedback, it is changing perceptions and emotions at the deep levels of the mind. Sometimes we have to do more work and take care of people who have hurt the person, this is a take off from Gestalt Chair Therapy. I also sometimes use timeline therapy to find the cause which is NLP or neuro-linguistic programming. > > Fibro may not always be an emotional response from the subconscious but I know it is in a lot of cases. > > Tim Bartley > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Hi Judy, I respect your viewpoint. If I could control people through hypnotherapy I'd be rich. People would be sending me checks all the time. Then others would realize you can control people and they would become hypnotherapists. Pretty soon we would all be controlling each other for our own personal gains. Believe me, I can't control anyone. I can't even change them in the way they want to be changed, it's just not like that. I think I've stated the information that I wanted to relate to this group. Take it or leave it, it's just information for your consideration. If anyone would like to talk further or have any questions feel free to contact me. Thank you, Tim Bartley > > Thank you for explaining your beliefs and your process. I’ve read this over several times and I still don’t think this applies to me. I do agree that the mind is a powerful thing and in some cases may cause a person to become physically ill. However, I’ve seen enough and felt enough illness in my life to say that most illnesses are not caused by mental stress. I don’t believe there is any chance that my Fibromyalgia was caused by any dis ease. I’ve thought long and hard about my situation and know mine had a physical base. > > As for Hypnotherapy, I totally disagree with the use of it. I’ve looked into it and I don’t like the idea of anyone being able to go into another persons mind. I’m sure you mean well, but I feel that there are much better things we can do for our bodies and our minds than to look to the problems we’ve had in our past. I feel that it is much more important for humans to look towards the future and do what we can to make our future better than it was in the past. This would include taking care of our physical bodies by getting the proper nutrients in them, taking care of our mental health by realizing that we do have control over our thoughts and desires, and last but not least taking care of our spiritual health. > > I do believe that your way might help some people understand themselves better, and even reverse some of their symptoms. But I’ve lived with Fibromyalgia long enough to know that your methods would make no difference to me. I do wish you good luck in your endeavors, however. > > Judy H > To Health Through Knowledge > Started taking Low Dose Naltrexone on January 20, 2009 for > Fibromyalgia, Restless Legs Syndrome, Hashimotos Thyroid and PCOS > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDNforFibro/ > > > From: eastlookdrive > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 2:11 PM > To: fibromyalgiacured > Subject: Re: Tim Testimonies > > > Hi Judy, > > I hear what you're saying and can understand that you do not believe it is a psychosomatic problem. When you talk about disease you have to question what came first, the chicken or the egg? Meaning… how does a healthy body become unhealthy? You could have an accident. You could be exposed to some kind of chemical or radiation. Most of the time, from what I work with, it is emotionally based. Emotions govern your unconscous mind, the part of you that governs your body. The mind has over 50 chemicals that it releases... Disease cannot exist within the body unless there is dis ease in the mind. I have cured many things including one case of HIV, and even when I tell that story it's hard for me to believe it. There is another therapist that went through the first school I attended, his name is Steve Parkhill, he wrote a book called Answer Cancer. He has around a 75% success rate in curing cancer and he only works with hospice patients. Hard to believe that isn't it? > > What I do isn't bio feedback at all. What I do is all emotional based. With hypnotherapy you use something called age regression. I target the feeling causing FM. To do this I use something called Parts therapy. We all have different parts of ourselves; we all have conversations in our own minds. For instance when the alarm goes off in morning a voice in your head or a part of you wants to hit snooze or just unplug the clock altogether but another part of you chimes in and says, " Hay, you'd better get up, you have to get out the door! " > > So one way I target the " Part " causing FM is that I build a case like a lawyer. I say that there is a part of you that wants to be completely free from FM! This part of you wants to have lots of energy and wants to be completely free of FM! I then have the person describe the part, I have them give it a shape, a feeling, and a name. Then I call out the FM part. I have them give it a shape, a feeling, and a name. Then I ask it questions, build the feeling (affect bridge), and follow it back to the first time they ever felt the feeling. Now no one ever goes to the first time they ever felt that way but we do find it rather quickly. > > So my client is now reliving the event. Most initial events are between the ages of 0 and 7 years old. After conducting thousands of sessions I began to see certain patterns. Not everyone falls into a specific pattern of course but for FM I have had a lot of people end up in a scene where dad was leaving the family. The child didn't think that they would ever see dad again. This is a big emotional disconnect. I worked with a person in Florida about 4 years ago, her initial event was that she got sick and her mom usually took care of her. This time her dad dropped her off at her grandparents house and mom went to the hospital to give birth to her younger sister. When mom returned with the new child mom never told my client that she loved her anymore, mom only told the new child this. > > So anyway this process isn't a monitoring of physical reactions linked to emotions like bio feedback, it is changing perceptions and emotions at the deep levels of the mind. Sometimes we have to do more work and take care of people who have hurt the person, this is a take off from Gestalt Chair Therapy. I also sometimes use timeline therapy to find the cause which is NLP or neuro-linguistic programming. > > Fibro may not always be an emotional response from the subconscious but I know it is in a lot of cases. > > Tim Bartley > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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