Re: Re: WHAT is wrong with my cleanses?!

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A couple more thoughts to add here: Curcuma longa (curcumin) supposedly

helps break down stones. In a study with rats some had a decrease of 40

percent in the volume of their stones. I take it in the form of the spice,

but you can purchase curcumin in pill form. Chang also suggest the

use of this along with GCG to get rid of stones instead of flushing. You

can take it for a year. I believe she told me that the GCG gives the GB

energy, it doesn't actually break down the stones. But make sure with her

about that statement first.

I have Murray's Natural Medicine book and it states in there that

it is thought that food allergies play a role in gallbladder attacks. That

when an allergen is ingested it causes the bile ducts to swell causing

impairment of bile flow from the gb. I never had an actual attack that I

know of but when I first noticed I had pain it was after eating my mom's

homemade bread, fresh of course. I recently found out I am allergic to

yeast through a blood test. I didn't do a rotation diet but had a blood

test to test 90 different foods for sensitivity.

Just a side note that I thought was interesting, on the Discovery Channel (i

think) they had a program on the pharaohs and said that they also suffered

from gallstones.Hmm.....

laura

----- Original Message -----

From: " barry91162 " <barry91162@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 8:14 PM

Subject: Re: WHAT is wrong with my cleanses?!

> Hi Suzanne,

> I hope I can give you some words of encouragement. This is only my

> opinion and not anything backed by medical knowledge. Only what I've

> read and experienced myself.

>

> Maybe the lack of stones on your fouth cleanse means that your liver

> and GB is becoming more clear of cholesterol (softer) stones. I think

> you should have used the recommended amounts of epsom to help open

> your ducts and produce more 'flushing' (diarriha). The bowel

> eliminations are not painful anyway and will really assist in the

> elimination of all kinds of sludge, stones and toxins in your

> digestive system. I'm not saying this is the reason for the lack of

> stones, but it does help open the ducts in your liver to remove the

> most gunk possible. Like I said also, your liver maybe clearing

> itself of stones during normal digestive function because you are now

> eating a more proper diet.

>

> Now, there is another problem you have besides cholesterol liver

> stones that are easy to eliminate and usually pass out of your body

> through regular digestive function anyway. The stone(s) in your GB

> that are harder (calcified) have not exited yet. This probably is the

> problem still causing your pain since after flushing, your ducts and

> liver are clear of other possible sludge or smaller stone

> ubstructions. Not sure about that but I know that if you still have a

> white stone on ultrasound in your GB then this could very well be

> the 'problem stone' in your system.

> To eliminate this bigger harder stone you will need to continue

> flushing but also try and soften or break this stone down with

> certain dieting practices. I've heard that Gold Coin Grass and/or

> Chanca Piedra is herbs used to help break down the calcified stones

> over a shorter period of time than medication. I am currently in the

> process of breaking down a 1cm stone that still shows on ultrasound

> in my GB even after 2 flushes.

> Even though I feel great (dieting being the major cure), and I feel

> flushing is great for your entire digestive system, I also feel it

> will mainly cleanse your liver more easily than your harder GB stone.

> I think that cleansing is only a faster process to your regular liver

> function (as long as it isn't too far defected) anyway. Your body has

> always been passing stones in your bowel through regular function to

> some degree and you have not even know it. Sludge is also cleared up

> from your ducts very effectively with flushing vs. waiting for

> regualr body function to do that. The hard GB stone however will take

> more time to break down and soften in order for it too to pass out

> with a flush.

> I think a lot of people overlook this fact because they feel better

> and see a lot of soft liver stones eliminated from a flush. Some of

> us who are working on that bigger, harder, GB stone have to look into

> the breakdown, dieting, flushing process a little differently.

>

> About lying properly for stone removal; I have laid on my right side

> and then my back. Not my left side. I can't get any good reasoning

> for the difference in opnions. Some say right and back is good for

> liver stones, and left is good for heavier GB stones. I think back is

> centrally best for all bases. Maybe I'm wrong. I may try all ways but

> the main thing is breaking down the stone so that it will come out

> while even standing up! Good luck and check into stone breaking

> dieting and herbs. Time is needed.

>

> I hope this helps you in some way. Good luck.

> Only my opnion because I am concentrating on that 1cm hard stone in

> my GB as well.

> Barry.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > I am on the morning after my 4th cleanse.. and Disappointed. No

> stones

> >

> > I had had such good results with the first cleanse - many stones

> came

> > out.

> >

> > My 2nd and 3rd cleanse produced very few stones - maybe 10 each.

> >

> > My 4th cleanse I altered hoping that it would give better results:

> >

> > -I cut down on the EP to avoid having serious diarrhea on the first

> > eve. of the cleanse. Agnes had suggested to start with 1 Tbsp. of

> EP

> > per glass of water (2 glasses in all for the eve.) and do just 1

> tsp.

> > the next morning if diarhea developed. I always have had diarrhea

> > with the cleanses, therefore I just used 1 tsp./glass of water for

> > the whole cleanse. (2 glasses in the PM and 2 glasses in the AM) I

> > did have a slight loosening of the stool, but no diarrhea. - so

> that

> > was good.

> >

> > -I tried lying on my left side this time (as having been

> recommended

> > to do for calcified stones). I've been diagnosed with stones in

> the

> > gallbladder (after my first cleanse) via ultrasound. I thought

> that

> > the stones must be calcified to be seen in the ultrasound so soon

> > after the first cleanse. I recall that the first cleanse I lay on

> my

> > back; and I vaguely remember lying on my right side for cleanse

> 2+3.

> > Could this be my problem?

> >

> > I need to do something because I had another attack on December 22.

> > This was exactly a year ago from my first attack. Both attacks

> > happened the night of my arrival at the cottage for the Christmas

> > holidays. In both attacks, I felt as if I was having a heart

> attack;

> > but how do you get to the doctor when you're 100 km in the middle

> if

> > nowhere with no phone? Thank heavens the attack is only a few

> hours.

> >

> > I wonder if the exitement/stress of getting so much done and then

> > having little oxygen has anything to do with it? (we have to burn

> big

> > fires to heat the house up -it's so cold).

> >

> > Any words of encouragement or help would be extremely appreciated.

> >

> > Thank you for listening,

> >

> > Suzanne

>

>

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