Guest guest Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 I just wanted to make a couple comments regarding the Gerson therapy, Bindi, as you mentioned you didn't understand "why they charge $4900 a week, must be some good coffee!" Actually, the Gerson therapy is a highly detailed program conducted at various clinics around the world. No clinic charges the same amount I guess, because they each have their own costs. The Gerson therapy is a designated therapy that the doctors have to be trained in. The Gerson Institute is located in San Diego, where Dr. Max Gerson's daughter worked to keep his legacy alive. She has continued to publish books and educational materials, as well as hold workshops, seminars and training to those who administer the Gerson therapy. The clinics administer this therapy under the direction of medical professionals. There is a ton of testing done.....they monitor nutritional levels, enzymes, toxicity, organ function, you name it, they've covered it. They administer all the juices, enemas, castor oil packs, supplements and foods needed to attain healing from cancer. So, it's not just a bed and breakfast show. It is a highly detailed plan to cure people of cancer and other degenerative diseases. One of our members in Hawaii, Holly, went to a Gerson-trained clinic there. I know she was hoping for a miracle with this treatment...I need to write her and see how she is (Holly, if you are reading this, can you please share with us how you are doing now?), but she experienced the detoxification reactions that were difficult. This therapy releases alot of toxicity, and so there are going to be bumps along the road....I experienced it myself. It's no fun. But the end result is healing for alot of people--NOT all people, but a large majority of them. I have alot of respect for this man and his work, his daughter and the burden they have taken upon themselves. They are not scientifically challenged. Dr. Gerson was a genius, and I have no doubt that his records were impeccable and that had he lived, he would have done even more fantastic work to heal the sick. He died from arsenic poisoning...it was thought that someone did not want his work to go any further and he was sabatoged. Patty >I have to say that I have aways been somewhat >suspicious of allopathic medicine (except as a >diagnostic tool and for emergency/critical care) >and have always felt more comfortable with a >natural approach (an example: my three children >were born at home with no meds). I do, however, >believe that there are as many con-men in the >"alternative medicine" field as there are bad >doctors in the traditional medical >establishment. The natural medicine field is >vast, and a good part of it is driven by money and is not very well-regulated.>>I get what Molly is saying: We need to be >careful not to jump on any health-treatment >bandwagon without first doing the research for >ourselves and then trying to make as informed a >decision as possible. I also understand Patty's >point, that there is a wealth of anecdotal >evidence showing that many people have been >healed with alternative medicine and that it is >a legitimate branch of the healing arts.>>My general policy with any treatment I am >considering is to see what scientific research >has been conducted on it, and make my decision >on sound science. This isn't always easy, as >some natural therapies haven't been studied >extensively yet, but still there is a lot of >info out there. You can look up PubMed articles >for controlled studies. There are some natural >products and treatments that have been studied >extensively and have been found to be useless, >while others have been shown to be very >promising. Melatonin is a perfect example-- the >many studies done have shown that it has no more >significant impact on insomnia than a placebo. >St. 's Wort , on the other hand, has been >proven in controlled studies to be effective for >treating mild to moderate depression.>>Just because somebody (or even many people) >claim something works doesn't make it so. >Repeating an experiment over and over to prove >the claim is much more accurate.>>The fact is, we still don't know exactly why >some breast implanted women get sick. There are >many women who have had implants for years and >never get sick. And there are some of us who get >sick immediately. It's strange how some of us >do, and some don't. Though Kenda's "fibro" >symptoms were healed by detoxing, I'm not >entirely convinced my own symptoms are from a >toxic liver, but I am willing to suspend my >skepticism and try some well-researched >liver-detoxing therapies because I don't think >it will hurt me to try. What I understand about >coffee enemas, for example, is that there is >some sound research currently being conducted on >it but has not been completed. I will probably >wait for the results, not because I don't >believe this treatment will work, but because I >want to be sure whatever I spend time and money >on has a fighting chance. But heck, if Prince > does 'em, they can't be that bad. What I >don't understand is why the Gerson Institute >charges so much for treatment--$4,900 week? Must >be some pretty good coffee they are using! >That said, I do believe in the validity of a >natural therapy born of many years of good >results, even if no definitive studies have yet >been done. I tend to trust the sciences of >chinese medicine and ayurveda, for example, for >their consistency and longevity-- they've been >around for millenia and so have had time to work >out the kinks. And my own step-uncle was >diagnosed with inoperable cancer and given a >month to live, and he left the hospital and went >home and switched to eating raw foods-- he lived >another eight years, and they were really good, >healthy, happy years. Those of us in his family >are 100% convinced he lived on because of his diet. Sadly, he died last year.>>There is no magic cure, no perfect world. Some >of what we are blessed or cursed with is just >how our particular cards fell. Things go in >cycles of harmony and disharmony, and we can >only do so much to influence this. Some of it >just is! But I think the capacity for compassion >that we have is a precious gift, to help ease >the suffering of others as best we can. I really >appreciate the kindness and thoughtfulness that >are offered freely every day by everyone on this list.>>xo>Bindi> . Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 The Gerson therapy and Gerson himself sound fascinating. I wish I could afford an ND or some other alternative practitioner. It's not easy trying to figure this stuff out on your own. My MD is good for tests and stuff but he just doesn't know what to do with me otherwise. I feel like I have to chart my own course and it ain't easy! Bindi Gerson therapy-Holly I just wanted to make a couple comments regarding the Gerson therapy, Bindi, as you mentioned you didn't understand "why they charge $4900 a week, must be some good coffee!" Actually, the Gerson therapy is a highly detailed program conducted at various clinics around the world. No clinic charges the same amount I guess, because they each have their own costs. The Gerson therapy is a designated therapy that the doctors have to be trained in. The Gerson Institute is located in San Diego, where Dr. Max Gerson's daughter worked to keep his legacy alive. She has continued to publish books and educational materials, as well as hold workshops, seminars and training to those who administer the Gerson therapy. The clinics administer this therapy under the direction of medical professionals. There is a ton of testing done.....they monitor nutritional levels, enzymes, toxicity, organ function, you name it, they've covered it. They administer all the juices, enemas, castor oil packs, supplements and foods needed to attain healing from cancer. So, it's not just a bed and breakfast show. It is a highly detailed plan to cure people of cancer and other degenerative diseases. One of our members in Hawaii, Holly, went to a Gerson-trained clinic there. I know she was hoping for a miracle with this treatment...I need to write her and see how she is (Holly, if you are reading this, can you please share with us how you are doing now?), but she experienced the detoxification reactions that were difficult. This therapy releases alot of toxicity, and so there are going to be bumps along the road....I experienced it myself. It's no fun. But the end result is healing for alot of people--NOT all people, but a large majority of them. I have alot of respect for this man and his work, his daughter and the burden they have taken upon themselves. They are not scientifically challenged. Dr. Gerson was a genius, and I have no doubt that his records were impeccable and that had he lived, he would have done even more fantastic work to heal the sick. He died from arsenic poisoning...it was thought that someone did not want his work to go any further and he was sabatoged. Patty >I have to say that I have aways been somewhat >suspicious of allopathic medicine (except as a >diagnostic tool and for emergency/critical care) >and have always felt more comfortable with a >natural approach (an example: my three children >were born at home with no meds). I do, however, >believe that there are as many con-men in the >"alternative medicine" field as there are bad >doctors in the traditional medical >establishment. The natural medicine field is >vast, and a good part of it is driven by money and is not very well-regulated.>>I get what Molly is saying: We need to be >careful not to jump on any health-treatment >bandwagon without first doing the research for >ourselves and then trying to make as informed a >decision as possible. I also understand Patty's >point, that there is a wealth of anecdotal >evidence showing that many people have been >healed with alternative medicine and that it is >a legitimate branch of the healing arts.>>My general policy with any treatment I am >considering is to see what scientific research >has been conducted on it, and make my decision >on sound science. This isn't always easy, as >some natural therapies haven't been studied >extensively yet, but still there is a lot of >info out there. You can look up PubMed articles >for controlled studies. There are some natural >products and treatments that have been studied >extensively and have been found to be useless, >while others have been shown to be very >promising. Melatonin is a perfect example-- the >many studies done have shown that it has no more >significant impact on insomnia than a placebo. >St. 's Wort , on the other hand, has been >proven in controlled studies to be effective for >treating mild to moderate depression.>>Just because somebody (or even many people) >claim something works doesn't make it so. >Repeating an experiment over and over to prove >the claim is much more accurate.>>The fact is, we still don't know exactly why >some breast implanted women get sick. There are >many women who have had implants for years and >never get sick. And there are some of us who get >sick immediately. It's strange how some of us >do, and some don't. Though Kenda's "fibro" >symptoms were healed by detoxing, I'm not >entirely convinced my own symptoms are from a >toxic liver, but I am willing to suspend my >skepticism and try some well-researched >liver-detoxing therapies because I don't think >it will hurt me to try. What I understand about >coffee enemas, for example, is that there is >some sound research currently being conducted on >it but has not been completed. I will probably >wait for the results, not because I don't >believe this treatment will work, but because I >want to be sure whatever I spend time and money >on has a fighting chance. But heck, if Prince > does 'em, they can't be that bad. What I >don't understand is why the Gerson Institute >charges so much for treatment--$4,900 week? Must >be some pretty good coffee they are using! >That said, I do believe in the validity of a >natural therapy born of many years of good >results, even if no definitive studies have yet >been done. I tend to trust the sciences of >chinese medicine and ayurveda, for example, for >their consistency and longevity-- they've been >around for millenia and so have had time to work >out the kinks. And my own step-uncle was >diagnosed with inoperable cancer and given a >month to live, and he left the hospital and went >home and switched to eating raw foods-- he lived >another eight years, and they were really good, >healthy, happy years. Those of us in his family >are 100% convinced he lived on because of his diet. Sadly, he died last year.>>There is no magic cure, no perfect world. Some >of what we are blessed or cursed with is just >how our particular cards fell. Things go in >cycles of harmony and disharmony, and we can >only do so much to influence this. Some of it >just is! But I think the capacity for compassion >that we have is a precious gift, to help ease >the suffering of others as best we can. I really >appreciate the kindness and thoughtfulness that >are offered freely every day by everyone on this list.>>xo>Bindi> .. Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Patty, I did not know of their work. I will pray for them. Arsenic??? How low can you go! Love, Sunny > > I just wanted to make a couple comments regarding the Gerson therapy, Bindi, as you mentioned you didn't understand " why they charge $4900 a week, must be some good coffee! " > Actually, the Gerson therapy is a highly detailed program conducted at various clinics around the world. No clinic charges the same amount I guess, because they each have their own costs. The Gerson therapy is a designated therapy that the doctors have to be trained in. The Gerson Institute is located in San Diego, where Dr. Max Gerson's daughter worked to keep his legacy alive. She has continued to publish books and educational materials, as well as hold workshops, seminars and training to those who administer the Gerson therapy. > > The clinics administer this therapy under the direction of medical professionals. There is a ton of testing done.....they monitor nutritional levels, enzymes, toxicity, organ function, you name it, they've covered it. They administer all the juices, enemas, castor oil packs, supplements and foods needed to attain healing from cancer. So, it's not just a bed and breakfast show. It is a highly detailed plan to cure people of cancer and other degenerative diseases. > > One of our members in Hawaii, Holly, went to a Gerson-trained clinic there. I know she was hoping for a miracle with this treatment...I need to write her and see how she is (Holly, if you are reading this, can you please share with us how you are doing now?), but she experienced the detoxification reactions that were difficult. This therapy releases alot of toxicity, and so there are going to be bumps along the road....I experienced it myself. It's no fun. But the end result is healing for alot of people--NOT all people, but a large majority of them. > > I have alot of respect for this man and his work, his daughter and the burden they have taken upon themselves. They are not scientifically challenged. Dr. Gerson was a genius, and I have no doubt that his records were impeccable and that had he lived, he would have done even more fantastic work to heal the sick. > > He died from arsenic poisoning...it was thought that someone did not want his work to go any further and he was sabatoged. > Patty > > > > > >I have to say that I have aways been somewhat > >suspicious of allopathic medicine (except as a > >diagnostic tool and for emergency/critical care) > >and have always felt more comfortable with a > >natural approach (an example: my three children > >were born at home with no meds). I do, however, > >believe that there are as many con-men in the > > " alternative medicine " field as there are bad > >doctors in the traditional medical > >establishment. The natural medicine field is > >vast, and a good part of it is driven by money and is not very well-regulated. > > > >I get what Molly is saying: We need to be > >careful not to jump on any health-treatment > >bandwagon without first doing the research for > >ourselves and then trying to make as informed a > >decision as possible. I also understand Patty's > >point, that there is a wealth of anecdotal > >evidence showing that many people have been > >healed with alternative medicine and that it is > >a legitimate branch of the healing arts. > > > >My general policy with any treatment I am > >considering is to see what scientific research > >has been conducted on it, and make my decision > >on sound science. This isn't always easy, as > >some natural therapies haven't been studied > >extensively yet, but still there is a lot of > >info out there. You can look up PubMed articles > >for controlled studies. There are some natural > >products and treatments that have been studied > >extensively and have been found to be useless, > >while others have been shown to be very > >promising. Melatonin is a perfect example-- the > >many studies done have shown that it has no more > >significant impact on insomnia than a placebo. > >St. 's Wort , on the other hand, has been > >proven in controlled studies to be effective for > >treating mild to moderate depression. > > > >Just because somebody (or even many people) > >claim something works doesn't make it so. > >Repeating an experiment over and over to prove > >the claim is much more accurate. > > > >The fact is, we still don't know exactly why > >some breast implanted women get sick. There are > >many women who have had implants for years and > >never get sick. And there are some of us who get > >sick immediately. It's strange how some of us > >do, and some don't. Though Kenda's " fibro " > >symptoms were healed by detoxing, I'm not > >entirely convinced my own symptoms are from a > >toxic liver, but I am willing to suspend my > >skepticism and try some well-researched > >liver-detoxing therapies because I don't think > >it will hurt me to try. What I understand about > >coffee enemas, for example, is that there is > >some sound research currently being conducted on > >it but has not been completed. I will probably > >wait for the results, not because I don't > >believe this treatment will work, but because I > >want to be sure whatever I spend time and money > >on has a fighting chance. But heck, if Prince > > does 'em, they can't be that bad. What I > >don't understand is why the Gerson Institute > >charges so much for treatment--$4,900 week? Must > >be some pretty good coffee they are using! > >That said, I do believe in the validity of a > >natural therapy born of many years of good > >results, even if no definitive studies have yet > >been done. I tend to trust the sciences of > >chinese medicine and ayurveda, for example, for > >their consistency and longevity-- they've been > >around for millenia and so have had time to work > >out the kinks. And my own step-uncle was > >diagnosed with inoperable cancer and given a > >month to live, and he left the hospital and went > >home and switched to eating raw foods-- he lived > >another eight years, and they were really good, > >healthy, happy years. Those of us in his family > >are 100% convinced he lived on because of his diet. Sadly, he died last year. > > > >There is no magic cure, no perfect world. Some > >of what we are blessed or cursed with is just > >how our particular cards fell. Things go in > >cycles of harmony and disharmony, and we can > >only do so much to influence this. Some of it > >just is! But I think the capacity for compassion > >that we have is a precious gift, to help ease > >the suffering of others as best we can. I really > >appreciate the kindness and thoughtfulness that > >are offered freely every day by everyone on this list. > > > >xo > >Bindi > > > > > Recent Activity > > 7 > New Members > > Visit Your Group > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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