Guest guest Posted February 10, 2002 Report Share Posted February 10, 2002 My sense of Ms. Changs website is that while she is well meaning and probably helps many people with the liver flush, etc, I think she is basically pushing to sell herbs. No offense to anyone. of Dewberry Hill <cozad76078@...> wrote: I have asked before with no reply so I'll try again. Have any of you especially you ladies read Changs's website? www.sensiblehealth.com If so what do you think? Or maybe you can print it out like I did (23 pages) and read it. Very interesting and most of it really makes sense. I'm needing someone to talk to about this. I have a post into Agnes at the forum. But would like other feedback too. I have many questions: anyone tried the herbs? Good luck with them? hormones balanced out? Stop taking estrogen? What about not using soy, and some of the foods she suggests not using (citrus, apples, bananas) ? Some things I definately agree like no chilled drinks etc, but some things I need feed back on. Thanks, of Dewberry HIll " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2002 Report Share Posted February 10, 2002 <<My sense of Ms. Changs website is that while she is well meaning and probably helps many people with the liver flush, etc, I think she is basically pushing to sell herbs. No offense to anyone. >> I agree with . I have used her herbs and talked to her on a couple occasions. She says just enough to make sense. My hairdresser had great success in cutting down the number of hot flashes she gets by using soy. I don't know how closely related pms and menopause symptoms are but since I've cut out processed foods I can barely tell that I am going to start menstruating. I still get a little testy but physical wise it is 90 percent better. laura ----- Original Message ----- From: " " <a7328639@...> <gallstones > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 9:09 AM Subject: Re: Chang's Website > > My sense of Ms. Changs website is that while she is well meaning and probably helps many people with the liver flush, etc, I think she is basically pushing to sell herbs. No offense to anyone. > of Dewberry Hill <cozad76078@...> wrote: > I have asked before with no reply so I'll try again. Have any of you especially you ladies read Changs's website? www.sensiblehealth.com If so what do you think? Or maybe you can print it out like I did (23 pages) and read it. Very interesting and most of it really makes sense. I'm needing someone to talk to about this. I have a post into Agnes at the forum. But would like other feedback too. I have many questions: anyone tried the herbs? Good luck with them? hormones balanced out? Stop taking estrogen? What about not using soy, and some of the foods she suggests not using (citrus, apples, bananas) ? Some things I definately agree like no chilled drinks etc, but some things I need feed back on. Thanks, of Dewberry HIll > > > > > " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross > " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2002 Report Share Posted February 10, 2002 Hi , I have bought the Chinese bitters from Chang. She is very helpful, but it does not seem that she has extensive knowledge on gallstons. Much of what she says is very good, but I feel that one should do as much research as possible. I've bought the Gold Coin Grass and have used one bottle. I still have had problems after that and a few cleanses. Perhaps I'm too impatient, but I would like to be rid of all gallbladder attacks. As for chilled drinks being bad for the liver - most other countries (europe/asia ...) do not drink ice cold drinks such as we in North America do. On hot days they will often drink hot beverages to make the body feel as if it is cooler outside. Suzanne --- In gallstones@y..., of Dewberry Hill <cozad76078@y...> wrote: > > I have asked before with no reply so I'll try again. Have any of you especially you ladies read Changs's website? www.sensiblehealth.com If so what do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2002 Report Share Posted February 10, 2002 But , if the herbs WORK then she can push and push and I'll buy and buy! That's what I want to know! Just being skeptical of her because you think she wants to sell herbs is not good enough answer for me, unless you know they do not work...then let's talk. I want to hear from folks who really have some in depth experience with her methods or ideas in particular about some of the very different ideas she uses. I'm now drinking 2 cups of warm water on arising like she says and some other things. I'm not totally ready to stop eating citrus or carrots or apples just because Chang does...but willing to discuss. My sense of Ms. Changs website is that while she is well meaning and probably helps many people with the liver flush, etc, I think she is basically pushing to sell herbs. No offense to anyone. " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2002 Report Share Posted February 10, 2002 , if you have used her herbs...you did not say if they helped or not. What did you use and did you follow the directions explicitly for those herbs to give them a chance to work? Thanks, of Dewberry Hill said: I agree with . I have used her herbs and talked to her on a couple occasions. She says just enough to make sense " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2002 Report Share Posted February 10, 2002 Suzanne, have you used the Chinese bitters as she suggests? I would probably want to use the 2 different herbal preps one A.M. and one P.M. and do that for 2 monts before saying it didn't work. Herbs take a while you know, and so does natural cleansing and healing. Pluse we must have good diet or are fighting the herbs. I think one of her specialties is in cleansing the liver. I'm reading and re-reading her info and will probably do some and not do some of her things. I think she's probably right in boosting the progesterone naturally. Thanks for your reply, of DH Suzanne said: I have bought the Chinese bitters from Chang. She is very helpful, but it does not seem that she has extensive knowledge on gallstons. Much of what she says is very good, but I feel that one should do as much research as possible. " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 Dear , Sorry, I meant that I bought 2 bottles of the Gold Coin Grass. I still have some problems after using one bottle of it and 2 more flushes. It is not the cure all end all, but must be done in conjunction with many other things. On the other hand, her business is very helpful and speedy delivery. I do agree with the idea of getting the liver on track. Suzanne --- In gallstones@y..., of Dewberry Hill <cozad76078@y...> wrote: > > Suzanne, have you used the Chinese bitters as she suggests? I would probably want to use the 2 different herbal preps one A.M. and one P.M. and do that for 2 monts before saying it didn't work. Herbs take a while you know, and so does natural cleansing and healing. Pluse we must have good diet or are fighting the herbs. I think one of her specialties is in cleansing the liver. I'm reading and re- reading her info and will probably do some and not do some of her things. I think she's probably right in boosting the progesterone naturally. Thanks for your reply, of DH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 Actually I bought the herbs for a gallbladder flush but did not get a chance to finish them. I wasn't trying to attack her, she is a very nice woman and I feel she is intelligent. But she is still trying to make money and obviously doing a good job at it. This doctor had a patient that was taking a chinese herbal remedy for arthritis. They sent it off to be analyzed and it contained steroidal compounds. Again, I am not attacking her or accusing her. I merely said that I agreed with . I've been on this list for about 3 years now. I'd be happy to see someone step forward and say they were helped by these herbs. laura ----- Original Message ----- From: " of Dewberry Hill " <cozad76078@...> <gallstones > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 6:41 PM Subject: Re: Chang's Website > > , if you have used her herbs...you did not say if they helped or not. What did you use and did you follow the directions explicitly for those herbs to give them a chance to work? > > Thanks, of Dewberry Hill > > said: > I agree with . I have used her herbs and talked to her on a couple > occasions. She says just enough to make sense > > > " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross > " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 , making money at selling a good product is not a bad thing. I get the impression you don't think the herbs work, although you say you didn't follow the program through. The doctor who sold the herbs, I take it is NOT Chang. You were a little vague there. I'm trying to be very objective in my research. I do appreciate your input and anyone who steps forward to share. Thanks, of Dewberry Hill Actually I bought the herbs for a gallbladder flush but did not get a chance to finish them. I wasn't trying to attack her, she is a very nice woman and I feel she is intelligent. But she is still trying to make money and obviously doing a good job at it. This doctor had a patient that was taking a chinese herbal remedy for arthritis. They sent it off to be analyzed and it contained steroidal compounds. Again, I am not attacking her or accusing her. I merely said that I agreed with . I've been on this list for about 3 years now. I'd be happy to see someone step forward and say they were helped by these herbs. laura " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 Hi Folks, The reason I've said that about pushing her herbs is because after over 20 years practicing as a chiropractic physician (many of whom are equally guilty of pushing their stuff) I have witnessed just too many people, including myself, seeking the " magic bullet " in the form of some vitamin, mineral, miracle powder, magic lotion, concentrated food, blue-green algae, homeopathic remedy, herbal tonic of some unknown origin, etc., etc. Most everything there is out there is just another excuse for us humans to compensate for not eating right. We just don't want to change anything but we're all too happy to pop a pill because that's the easy thing to do--and I agree. It's just that it doesn't work, at least the majority of the time. Correction: about 98% of the time. And when things do seem to " work " it's usually because of the toxic nature of the herb or pill suppressing the body's symptoms. I also believe that the power of suggestion (plecebo) when taking various supplements is amazingly dramatic. So there you have it. Please resist the temptation of shooting the messinger--unless you just feel like doing so--I can handle it. I havn't even talked about diet to this point. Btw, I'm someone who's spent probably many thousands of dollars on supplements in the last 25 years so I've been there, done that and will not have to do it again. Health doesn't come in a bottle. If I sound arrogant it's because I've just had enough snake oil for one lifetime! Best Regards, of Dewberry Hill <cozad76078@...> wrote: , making money at selling a good product is not a bad thing. I get the impression you don't think the herbs work, although you say you didn't follow the program through. The doctor who sold the herbs, I take it is NOT Chang. You were a little vague there. I'm trying to be very objective in my research. I do appreciate your input and anyone who steps forward to share. Thanks, of Dewberry Hill Actually I bought the herbs for a gallbladder flush but did not get a chance to finish them. I wasn't trying to attack her, she is a very nice woman and I feel she is intelligent. But she is still trying to make money and obviously doing a good job at it. This doctor had a patient that was taking a chinese herbal remedy for arthritis. They sent it off to be analyzed and it contained steroidal compounds. Again, I am not attacking her or accusing her. I merely said that I agreed with . I've been on this list for about 3 years now. I'd be happy to see someone step forward and say they were helped by these herbs. laura " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 , do you not use herbs anymore? Not even herb tea preparations. You sound like you feel that you have been ripped off. Don't you think that you got some benifit from those years of doing good things for yourself? If not maybe there was another problem. And I do agree that many preps are overpriced and are not helpful for me, although maybe for someone else. But I don't throw the baby out with the bath water. That's why I'm researching. Remember there are many that think the gallstone flush is a " snake oil remedy " , too. I studied it for a long time before my successful flushes. I think a good approach for people answering my questions should be: either they have taken the Chang formulas as suggested for a long enough peroid to know if they worked or not. And THEN, a person can merely say, " I did follow that regime, and it did /or did not work " . Don't you think that's fair? And at present I am using several formulas that are absolute " magic bullets " , some are herbal. So I take a much more positive approach to inquiring about formulas I've never tried. Innocent until proven guilty. :-) of DH said: I have witnessed just too many people, including myself, seeking the " magic bullet " in the form of some vitamin, mineral, miracle powder, magic lotion, concentrated food, blue-green algae, homeopathic remedy, herbal tonic of some unknown origin, etc., etc. Most everything there is out there is just another excuse for us humans to compensate for not eating right. " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 , No, I don't use herbs anymore. Why would I? I'm eating right now so I have virtually no health problems. Taking supplements is a way our minds fool ourselves into not confronting our deeply grooved eating habits and thinking the herbs will knock everything into balance. The body does not work that way. I take occasional herbal teas socially but not for my health. Yes, I have been ripped off, like everybody, but I'm not resentful. And I've learned from it. And no, I don't think I benefitted when I did take them and I was probably harmed. I was in denial then and am in less denial now. My only problem was I was looking for a shortcut to gain better health but I've since learned that real health comes largely from correct diet and a positive mental outlook, the latter of which is at least half. And yes, the liver flush itself IS snake oil if done in the absence of proper nutrition because if one does not get to the cause of the liver congestion it will simply reoccur instantly. Like detailing your car and then driving through a mudslide. But if the liver flush is used in context with cleaning up one's eating habbits it does make good sense to do it. Btw , where is Dewberry Hill? Sounds like England to me. Warm Regards, (from the US) of Dewberry Hill <cozad76078@...> wrote: , do you not use herbs anymore? Not even herb tea preparations. You sound like you feel that you have been ripped off. Don't you think that you got some benifit from those years of doing good things for yourself? If not maybe there was another problem. And I do agree that many preps are overpriced and are not helpful for me, although maybe for someone else. But I don't throw the baby out with the bath water. That's why I'm researching. Remember there are many that think the gallstone flush is a " snake oil remedy " , too. I studied it for a long time before my successful flushes. I think a good approach for people answering my questions should be: either they have taken the Chang formulas as suggested for a long enough peroid to know if they worked or not. And THEN, a person can merely say, " I did follow that regime, and it did /or did not work " . Don't you think that's fair? And at present I am using several formulas that are absolute " magic bullets " , some are herbal. So I take a much more positive approach to inquiring about formulas I've never tried. Innocent until proven guilty. :-) of DH said: I have witnessed just too many people, including myself, seeking the " magic bullet " in the form of some vitamin, mineral, miracle powder, magic lotion, concentrated food, blue-green algae, homeopathic remedy, herbal tonic of some unknown origin, etc., etc. Most everything there is out there is just another excuse for us humans to compensate for not eating right. " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 Well, ...looks like we got a Chinese stand off here on our ideas about herbs (pun intended)LOL...but that's OK, we learn and grow and find out what's best for ourselves. I'm still lookin' for folks that have used Changs herbs faithfully for at least a couple of months. Anyone? Maybe Agnes will know. And Dewberry Hill is our mountain in a small range here in S.E. Oklahoma...we named it for our many yummy Dewberries...btw they are good food that really gets things movin'! I make a mean cobbler in my solar oven. Y'all com'on up! " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 Oklahoma? is that somewhere in the united states? LOL. it's just that I couldn't imagine living there. Too red necky for me. Btw, my wife is chinese so we really have a chinese stand off! of Dewberry Hill <cozad76078@...> wrote: Well, ...looks like we got a Chinese stand off here on our ideas about herbs (pun intended)LOL...but that's OK, we learn and grow and find out what's best for ourselves. I'm still lookin' for folks that have used Changs herbs faithfully for at least a couple of months. Anyone? Maybe Agnes will know. And Dewberry Hill is our mountain in a small range here in S.E. Oklahoma...we named it for our many yummy Dewberries...btw they are good food that really gets things movin'! I make a mean cobbler in my solar oven. Y'all com'on up! " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2002 Report Share Posted February 14, 2002 , I got behind in my e-mail and just saw your request for someone to reply who had taken Chang's herbs long-term. I have taken Gold Coin Grass (GCG) for over a year at a time. I began about 2 years ago, because although the first flush I ever did was successful, the subsequent one was not. I was having a lot of pain, and I discovered her site. The plan was to take the herb for a month or two and try the flush again. But within a few weeks the heavy, painful feeling in my gallbladder was gone. Now, I knew that I still had stones, but they didn't bother me anymore, so I kept procrastinating flushing again -- for over a year. I kept ordering the bottles - 4 at a time to save on postage, and they kept my stones under control. After a year, I got lazy about ordering and gradually the full feeling and pain in my gallbladder returned. I did one successful flush about six months ago, and 3 unsuccessful ones since. I am taking GCG again, but I know I need to flush again and I am dreading it. It isn't so bad if they are successful -- but if you go through the fasting and diarrhea, and don't pass any stones, it is very discouraging. About 2 months ago when I called to order GCG, I had an opportunity to talk to directly. I told her about my unsuccessful flushes, and although she generally advises not to take Chinese Bitters & GCG at the same time, she said that some people can tolerate both without a problem. So since I had 1/2 bottle of Bitters on hand (from previously trying the liver cleanse), I decided to try it. The timing is tricky, though, because although I can easily take the GCG 1/2 hour before breakfast in the morning, it is hard to take the Bitters 2 hours after breakfast and 1/2 hour before lunch. I did it for about 2 weeks, and I felt great! My digestion was good, and gallbladder pain was gone. But before I could finish a month of this, followed by another flush attempt, my daughter had her baby, and the baby had to spend a week in the hospital. Everything is perfect now, but it really threw me off schedule. At this point I am just taking the GCG to keep gall bladder pain minimal until I find the time to try the GCG/Bitters regimen again for a month before my next flush attempt. I hope this helps. On 's site, she recounts an experience of long-term GCG use to crush the stones without flushing, and I guess that is what I inadvertently did by procrastinating the flush and taking GCG instead. But of course, your liver makes new stones continuously, so when I stopped the GCG it was a matter of time before the gallbladder pain came back. But I know for sure that GCG does work -- whether to crush stones & prepare for a flush, or to take long term, without flushing at all. Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 Pat, thank you so much for your informative post and answering my question about the herbs. And what do you think about the estrogen dominance idea? The foods and herbs she suggests to avoid? Thanks, of Dewberry Hill ....I know for sure that GCG does work -- whether to crush stones & prepare for a flush, or to take long term, without flushing at all. Pat " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2002 Report Share Posted February 16, 2002 , I have a lot of respect for what has to say about herbs, gallbladder health & the liver. But I think that her extreme hormonal imbalance problems have influenced her views on the subject of hormones in foods. I agree with some of what she says -- about avoiding refined sugars, eating whole foods, etc, but hormone levels and hormone sensitivity are very different for each individual woman. My favorite book right now is Christianne Northrup's " The Wisdom of Menopause. " She gives every angle of advice on women's hormones that you can think of -- making the point that every woman is different and you need to experiment with what is right for you. I can't imagine that so many foods would have natural hormones in them if we were meant to avoid all of them. You can tell when a food does not agree with your body so I think that listening to what your body tells you when you eat something is the right way to go. My personal opinion is that did certainly cure her estrogen dominance by completely avoiding high-estrogen foods, but she might have also cured the imbalance by adding progesterone. Who can say? I think any woman over the age of 35 would benefit greatly by reading Dr. Northrup's book. What a lot of great information! Sincerely, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 Pat, Thank you SO much for your post! Very well said. I have been reading and re-reading her info. I agree with much and yet will not give up the foods she suggests. And think I won't give up the HRT that makes my life much more bearable. But will adopt many of her ideas. And I will look for the book you suggested. Have a great day and keep a postin'. of Dewberry Hill , I have a lot of respect for what has to say about herbs, gallbladder health & the liver. But I think that her extreme hormonal imbalance problems have influenced her views on the subject of hormones in foods. I agree with some of what she says -- about avoiding refined sugars, eating whole foods, etc, but hormone levels and hormone sensitivity are very different for each individual woman. My favorite book right now is Christianne Northrup's " The Wisdom of Menopause. " She gives every angle of advice on women's hormones that you can think of -- making the point that every woman is different and you need to experiment with what is right for you. I can't imagine that so many foods would have natural hormones in them if we were meant to avoid all of them. You can tell when a food does not agree with your body so I think that listening to what your body tells you when you eat something is the right way to go. My personal opinion is that did certainly cure her estrogen dominance by completely avoiding high-estrogen foods, but she might have also cured the imbalance by adding progesterone. Who can say? I think any woman over the age of 35 would benefit greatly by reading Dr. Northrup's book. What a lot of great information! Sincerely, Pat " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 - I do think you should read a book that was recommended on one of the other groups that I belong, Natural Hormone Replace by V MD & Morgenthalen. You are doing your body a great injustice by feeding it HRT meds. nne > Pat, Thank you SO much for your post! Very well said. I have been reading > and re-reading her info. I agree with much and yet will not give up the > foods she suggests. And think I won't give up the HRT that makes my life > much more bearable. But will adopt many of her ideas. And I will look for > the book you suggested. Have a great day and keep a postin'. > of Dewberry Hill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 , I hate to repeat myself, but Northrup's " The Wisdom of Menopause " is great. She is an OB/GYN and gives the pros and cons of all perimenopause and menopause remedies including HRT. And although you can see she leans towards natural methods, she does not totally discount that some women may need HRT. At least you can get a broader view of the subject. Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 Ok, nne I'll look for that book. I'm still open minded, but want you to know I spent a lot of money on natural remedies supposed to be very powerful, like Helen Pinsante's. And to no avail. Did much research, bought many books and tried various natural remedies. Still got the hot flashes, headaches and all the other yuckies. The plant HRT I'm on is the only drug I take and makes me feel young again. Well, I'm not that old and am still open minded but not willing to throw away my money on things that don't work for me! Do you follow their ideas and do they work for you? of Dewberry Hill - I do think you should read a book that was recommended on one of the other groups that I belong, Natural Hormone Replace by V MD & Morgenthalen. You are doing your body a great injustice by feeding it HRT meds. nne " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 , I think that the natural methods are more effective if everything is in balance -- that is why Dr. Northrup stresses diet (whole foods, low glycemic carbs) and exercise, as well as emotional and spiritual balance in her book along with remedies. But I am the last one to preach diet & exercise perfection. It is one of my lofty goals, " someday. " And I am not that familiar with HRT, but doesn't it replace estrogen? The wild yams, etc, are progesterone, which of course must be in the right balance to the estrogen in a woman's body. I am in the perimenopause stage, where the hormones are " imbalanced " prior to the menopause stage, and from what I've read, it is the excess estrogen that causes the problems at this stage -- heavy bleeding, fibroids, mood swings. I think that is what natural progesterone is effective for -- balancing that excess estrogen. After menopause actually sets in, the estrogen levels drop, and the lack of estrogen sets off another whole set of problems in some women. I don't know which stage of life you are in, or why you take the HRTs, but you must follow your body's messages and do what is right for you. Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 Thanks Pat. What are some of those natual remedies she suggests? Progesterone cream? Wild Yam? Soy milk? Been there done that. Doesn't work for me. What else. Sorry to be skeptical. I'm the first to want to do things the natural way. And not yet closed minded... of DH , I hate to repeat myself, but Northrup's " The Wisdom of Menopause " is great. She is an OB/GYN and gives the pros and cons of all perimenopause and menopause remedies including HRT. And although you can see she leans towards natural methods, she does not totally discount that some women may need HRT. At least you can get a broader view of the subject. Pat " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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