Re: April: Bee's views on ketosis

[Guest guest]

Joanne,

My body is like yours, it feels better on very low carbs, lower than the 50

or so grams that I'm supposed to be able to have. I've been having less

than 10g or sometimes barely more than that. I don't think I'm choosing it

though.

Something that is very new to me is that I really am not hungry and I

really don't want it. I'd have to force myself. Already right now I have to

remind myself to eat, and when I prepare the required portion I have

difficulty finishing it. I'm now having lower than all the requirements,

but I doubt it would be good for me to force myself, what do you think?

April

On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Joanne Ford wrote:

> **

>

>

> April

>

> I am not sure. I know she knows it is safe, and I know she also knows many

> people on her program choose to stay in ketosis, but I think she thinks

> that whether in ketosis or not healing will occur. I think she thinks it is

> too austere and that people will not keep to it is they set themselves such

> rigid goals. Meal ideas are very limited if you are eating ketogenically.

>

> Also, I think she wants people to enjoy the diet, and to be able to eat it

> in a normal way, for instance to be able to dine out or eat with others at

> work and eat with family and so on. If we choose to eat ketogenically we

> are choosing a more lonely route and a more antisocial route. And as far as

> Bee is concerned there is no need for all this severe limitation, not long

> term anyway

>

> Bee has seen many people recover from terrible illnesses without using

> long term ketosis and I think she thinks us that are doing it are doing

> more as a psycholgical thing, rather than a practical thing. I think she

> thinks that we are misguided when we think we need this 24/7 for ever and a

> day. Her feelings are that short term her meat and fat diet gives folk a

> kick start into the diet but this is not a very normal natural relaxed way

> to live. It is OK, and not dangerous but severe and really not necessary.

>

> Myself, I can tell you, I still cannot leave ketosis, I have tried it and

> very quickly, just a couple of days and my illness returns, and it returns

> severely. I then have to go though all the withdrawel to get back to the

> ketosis

>

> Bee would say to this that I am not as cured as I appear, since if I need

> to be in ketosis and ketosis is not the state most people on her diet need

> to be in, then there is something not right going on. Recovery is when a

> person can eat the ratios she sets and all the foods on the candida diet

> and some foods on her healthy eating diet. I cannot do this, so I am not

> recovered. In this case Bee would insist I stay with the foods from her

> candida diet and work on leaving ketosis and eating more int he normal

> range. She would say this would lead to better recovery. I have chosen not

> to do this, to stay with the ketosis and eat a small amount of foods from

> her healthy eating diet. bee would say, this is not the correct way to do

> the diet and this will slow down recovery.

>

> But I have made my mind up. Ketosis is normal and it is the correct state

> for the human body. I cannot leave it, but even if I could I would not. I

> enjoy the GABA, and the other advantages it gives me. I have chosen to eat

> a variety of foods, mainly her candida diet and a few things from her

> healthy eating diet. I am still experiencing recovery doing things this way

> so I am happy. Even if a time comes when i can eat again in the glucose

> pathway I will not be doing so. Ketosis makes me feel spiritual, warm,

> young and content. I makes me feel like I am myself. A time may come when I

> can feel like this eating more carbs, maybe, but for now my feelings are

> that ketosis is for me for the rest of my life

>

> I believe I was born poorly, perhaps ADHD, I had Candida as a child and

> PMS acne and all kinds of things as a teenager, poor pregnancies, IBS,

> fibro and many other things later on. I have always been unhealthy and it

> was always very severe. Since using ketosis all this has changed, and

> although I am not fully recovered I am the healthiest I have ever been

>

> Here is my testimony from Bees board. the fact that she has published this

> shows she is not against ketosis and does not see it as dangerous. She does

> I think just think it is unrealistic and unnecessary

>

> http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/ss209.php

>

> Love Joanne

>

> April said..................

>

>

>

> I thought I read Bee saying that we need to switch over to fat burning,

> isn't that the same thing as ketosis?

> For me once I'm having high fats, my body seems to naturally not want

> vegetables, or only a cup a day at most.

>

> I've been meaning to ask Bee how long she thought the all meat and fat

> program is ok for, but I'm not on all meat and fat yet anyway. I guess I

> might have found out then her view on ketosis. Do you know what she thinks

> is wrong with it?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Joanne,

Remind me how long you've been on a ketogenic diet?

April

> Joanne,

> My body is like yours, it feels better on very low carbs, lower than the

> 50 or so grams that I'm supposed to be able to have. I've been having less

> than 10g or sometimes barely more than that. I don't think I'm choosing it

> though.

>

> Something that is very new to me is that I really am not hungry and I

> really don't want it. I'd have to force myself. Already right now I have to

> remind myself to eat, and when I prepare the required portion I have

> difficulty finishing it. I'm now having lower than all the requirements,

> but I doubt it would be good for me to force myself, what do you think?

> April

>

>

>

>

>

> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Joanne Ford wrote:

>

>> **

>>

>>

>> April

>>

>> I am not sure. I know she knows it is safe, and I know she also knows

>> many people on her program choose to stay in ketosis, but I think she

>> thinks that whether in ketosis or not healing will occur. I think she

>> thinks it is too austere and that people will not keep to it is they set

>> themselves such rigid goals. Meal ideas are very limited if you are eating

>> ketogenically.

>>

>> Also, I think she wants people to enjoy the diet, and to be able to eat

>> it in a normal way, for instance to be able to dine out or eat with others

>> at work and eat with family and so on. If we choose to eat ketogenically we

>> are choosing a more lonely route and a more antisocial route. And as far as

>> Bee is concerned there is no need for all this severe limitation, not long

>> term anyway

>>

>> Bee has seen many people recover from terrible illnesses without using

>> long term ketosis and I think she thinks us that are doing it are doing

>> more as a psycholgical thing, rather than a practical thing. I think she

>> thinks that we are misguided when we think we need this 24/7 for ever and a

>> day. Her feelings are that short term her meat and fat diet gives folk a

>> kick start into the diet but this is not a very normal natural relaxed way

>> to live. It is OK, and not dangerous but severe and really not necessary.

>>

>> Myself, I can tell you, I still cannot leave ketosis, I have tried it and

>> very quickly, just a couple of days and my illness returns, and it returns

>> severely. I then have to go though all the withdrawel to get back to the

>> ketosis

>>

>> Bee would say to this that I am not as cured as I appear, since if I need

>> to be in ketosis and ketosis is not the state most people on her diet need

>> to be in, then there is something not right going on. Recovery is when a

>> person can eat the ratios she sets and all the foods on the candida diet

>> and some foods on her healthy eating diet. I cannot do this, so I am not

>> recovered. In this case Bee would insist I stay with the foods from her

>> candida diet and work on leaving ketosis and eating more int he normal

>> range. She would say this would lead to better recovery. I have chosen not

>> to do this, to stay with the ketosis and eat a small amount of foods from

>> her healthy eating diet. bee would say, this is not the correct way to do

>> the diet and this will slow down recovery.

>>

>> But I have made my mind up. Ketosis is normal and it is the correct state

>> for the human body. I cannot leave it, but even if I could I would not. I

>> enjoy the GABA, and the other advantages it gives me. I have chosen to eat

>> a variety of foods, mainly her candida diet and a few things from her

>> healthy eating diet. I am still experiencing recovery doing things this way

>> so I am happy. Even if a time comes when i can eat again in the glucose

>> pathway I will not be doing so. Ketosis makes me feel spiritual, warm,

>> young and content. I makes me feel like I am myself. A time may come when I

>> can feel like this eating more carbs, maybe, but for now my feelings are

>> that ketosis is for me for the rest of my life

>>

>> I believe I was born poorly, perhaps ADHD, I had Candida as a child and

>> PMS acne and all kinds of things as a teenager, poor pregnancies, IBS,

>> fibro and many other things later on. I have always been unhealthy and it

>> was always very severe. Since using ketosis all this has changed, and

>> although I am not fully recovered I am the healthiest I have ever been

>>

>> Here is my testimony from Bees board. the fact that she has published

>> this shows she is not against ketosis and does not see it as dangerous. She

>> does I think just think it is unrealistic and unnecessary

>>

>> http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/ss209.php

>>

>> Love Joanne

>>

>> April said..................

>>

>>

>>

>> I thought I read Bee saying that we need to switch over to fat burning,

>> isn't that the same thing as ketosis?

>> For me once I'm having high fats, my body seems to naturally not want

>> vegetables, or only a cup a day at most.

>>

>> I've been meaning to ask Bee how long she thought the all meat and fat

>> program is ok for, but I'm not on all meat and fat yet anyway. I guess I

>> might have found out then her view on ketosis. Do you know what she thinks

>> is wrong with it?

>>

>>