Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Hi Grace Could you tell me more about this? this is the first time I have heard of anything like this. I used to be opposed to any kind of medication, but lately I've been thinking medication might be okay, if it could help me. I'm not sure how any of this works. What does the thyroid have to do with it? Thanks, really appreciate this Walking to From you friend " WALKING TO HAPPINESS " . May we all walk towards happiness... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Grace, your name is really correct because you are a force of grace in my life. You have no idea how much your emails mean to me. This is the first time in my life that I see there is a " ME " under this PTSD. This is the first time in my life that I understand how PTSD is not me. I don't think I can express how profound this shift in my perception is. My whole life my FOO blamed me for my reactions, and told me that is who I am, and I am split black so therefore my " anger issues " is what is wrong with the family. I can finally see there is a beautiful me under all the fog and smoke of PTSD, and I can;t believe the last line of your post-- you wrote that " Take care - you'll get over it " I can't believe you can just write that in a last line, so easily. It has never occurred to me until this week that growing beyond PTSD could even be an option. Do you really mean that, that it is possible to move beyond this? I am going to take ALL the advice in your post,and research all the info you gave me. Did you REALLY move beyond PTSD? I can't believe this is even possible. PTSD has been my life for my whole life, until this week. Also, there were some abbreviations in your email that I didn't understand, like, what are PAs and what is F and F? I feel like crying. I have been living in this trash heap of a hellish world of darkness, and you are extending a hand to me, saying, " come on, there is a better place than that for you " THANK YOU, and thank God for the internet! " Walking to " From you friend " WALKING TO HAPPINESS " . May we all walk towards happiness... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Wow, Grace THANK YOU. there is so much information in your post, that i am printing it out, and I will have to look it over several times, to follow all the leads you are giving me. THere is a lot in your post I can relate to, but the whole idea of healing from this is so new to me. The whole idea that this isn't WHO I AM. The FOO always taught me that I am wrong, bad,evil.... I have shut myself away for the last few years and cut off contact with people and self-soothed alone. But,it's really hard and hurtful to live that way. I would like to have normal relationships, friendships, even a man in my life. I just don't see how this would ever be possible. It is so hard to live this way, and suddenly attack peopel around you. That's why I mainly stay away from people, is to protect the others from me. This is exactly what the FOO taught me-- that I am a terror, and no one would want to be around me... Right now, thought, for the first time in my life, people, including you, are telling me that I can overcome this and this does not have to be my fate, that a normal future is possible. This feels like a foreign language to me. I feel like I woke up in a foreign country and I haven't quite gotten the grasp of the basic grammar yet... I am kind of interested in how you transitioned from isolating yourself to having meaningful and close relationships. You mention going shopping and interacting with strangers first... I think I have been working on this for a while, and now am at the point of having some friends to whom I can describe this, and who are willing to stick it out with me and be there for me despite these wierd symptoms. As far as causes go, I know what you mean, that it's more important to heal than understand why. My T calls this PTSD, but I guess I don't really understand the difference between that and PA, it all sounds similar to me... I wouldn't say I'm in a state of alert all the time, not sure... have to think about this some more,a nd learn more about these different states... I DO know that this is not me. THere is a me underneath these reactions. ANd that's a big first step. I will talk with my T about all the resources and ideas you suggest, and I really thank you for mentoring me, or passing on your learning to me, or coaching me, or whatever you would call it. Thanks for the encouragement, and the list of things to learn (I will read that over and over), adn thanks for suggesting I write a book. I would have to fully understand this first, before I could write a book... It's interesting to me that your symptoms started with a car crash. Do you think any of your symptoms also come from growing up with a BP? I know that we all on this board have grown up with a BP, but in coping or surviving that, many of us developed other problems because we lacked the basic care of human parents that all children need. My T says my PTSD comes from the abuse and neglect and terror inflicted on my by my nada, but I also know that I ran away from home at 14, and lived homeless on the streets, and of course, a lot happened. I know it's hard to compare different cases of PTSD, but I did read that there are diffrenent kinds of PTSD. There is a PTSD that comes from a one-time or short=term traumatic experience, and there is also a type of PTSD that comes from long-term repeated abuse and repeated trauma. My T had diagnosed me with the long-term kind. If yours comes from a car crash, that would be the short-term PTSD kind. I ask, because I wonder if I really WILL be able to come back from this??? I am starting to believe I can, but there is SO MUCH trauma that I have survived, Grace. The majority of my experience of life has been traumatic. Can someone like me really heal from this???? Thank you Hugs, Walking to. From you friend " WALKING TO HAPPINESS " . May we all walk towards happiness... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 My fleas are staying and subjecting myself to an abusive partner and marriage. The abusive treatment I got as a daughter from my nada, made me doubt he was even abusing me. Why wouldn't I doubt it? That is how my mother treated me my whole life. My fleas were that is what I should expect and deserve, but I don't So I live with a verbally abuse man- who shames, blames and questions my every move just like nada did. He takes no responsibility for his behavior, projects things right back on me like nada did. Tonight I got the phone call that we are one mortgage payment away from foreclosure- I am sick about it. That is also my credit rating down the crapper. He will not be at fault, and somehow I will be part of this problem. just like it was with dear old nada. My reality of what is normal and acceptable has been so distoted. This man reinforces my feelings of being powerless, at fault and yes, unworthy. Malinda > > Hi Walking > > Im happy to hear of your progress! You mention in your post that you > see me as mentoring or coaching you. Im not here in a professional > capacity at all, just for self-help. Ive never heard of services > like that for PTSD? The only coaching Ive heard of is life coaching - > and I dont think that those professionals have specific expertise in > PTSD. I think for that qualified professionals with a high level of > expertise would be whats the norm. > > How I progressed what the technique I mentioned called 'exposures' - > I think thats explained in the book #1 I mentioned and a good CBT > will asssit you with that. > > Anything like PTSD is a really individual thing - so one persons > experience and triggers will be very differnt - whats similiar is the > pain and suffering. Rest assured that with the right professional > help and the attitude that you have - you will find a way through. > > Take care! > Grace > > > > > > > Wow, Grace > > THANK YOU. there is so much information in your post, that i am > printing it out, and I will have to look it over several times, to > follow all the leads you are giving me. > > > > THere is a lot in your post I can relate to, but the whole idea > of healing from this is so new to me. The whole idea that this isn't > WHO I AM. The FOO always taught me that I am wrong, bad,evil.... > > > > I have shut myself away for the last few years and cut off > contact with people and self-soothed alone. But,it's really hard and > hurtful to live that way. I would like to have normal relationships, > friendships, even a man in my life. I just don't see how this would > ever be possible. It is so hard to live this way, and suddenly > attack peopel around you. That's why I mainly stay away from people, > is to protect the others from me. This is exactly what the FOO > taught me-- that I am a terror, and no one would want to be around > me... Right now, thought, for the first time in my life, people, > including you, are telling me that I can overcome this and this does > not have to be my fate, that a normal future is possible. This feels > like a foreign language to me. I feel like I woke up in a foreign > country and I haven't quite gotten the grasp of the basic grammar > yet... > > > > I am kind of interested in how you transitioned from isolating > yourself to having meaningful and close relationships. You mention > going shopping and interacting with strangers first... I think I > have been working on this for a while, and now am at the point of > having some friends to whom I can describe this, and who are willing > to stick it out with me and be there for me despite these wierd > symptoms. > > > > As far as causes go, I know what you mean, that it's more > important to heal than understand why. My T calls this PTSD, but I > guess I don't really understand the difference between that and PA, > it all sounds similar to me... I wouldn't say I'm in a state of > alert all the time, not sure... have to think about this some more,a > nd learn more about these different states... > > > > I DO know that this is not me. THere is a me underneath these > reactions. ANd that's a big first step. I will talk with my T about > all the resources and ideas you suggest, and I really thank you for > mentoring me, or passing on your learning to me, or coaching me, or > whatever you would call it. Thanks for the encouragement, and the > list of things to learn (I will read that over and over), adn thanks > for suggesting I write a book. I would have to fully understand this > first, before I could write a book... > > > > It's interesting to me that your symptoms started with a car > crash. Do you think any of your symptoms also come from growing up > with a BP? I know that we all on this board have grown up with a > BP, but in coping or surviving that, many of us developed other > problems because we lacked the basic care of human parents that all > children need. My T says my PTSD comes from the abuse and neglect > and terror inflicted on my by my nada, but I also know that I ran > away from home at 14, and lived homeless on the streets, and of > course, a lot happened. I know it's hard to compare different cases > of PTSD, but I did read that there are diffrenent kinds of PTSD. > There is a PTSD that comes from a one-time or short=term traumatic > experience, and there is also a type of PTSD that comes from long- > term repeated abuse and repeated trauma. My T had diagnosed me with > the long-term kind. If yours comes from a car crash, that would be > the short-term PTSD kind. I ask, because I wonder if I > > really WILL be able to come back from this??? I am starting to > believe I can, but there is SO MUCH trauma that I have survived, > Grace. The majority of my experience of life has been traumatic. > Can someone like me really heal from this???? > > > > > > Thank you > > Hugs, > > Walking to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From you friend > > " WALKING TO HAPPINESS " . > > May we all walk towards happiness... > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 That is so sad and scary to be in danger of foreclosure and it sounds like you are feeling anxious right now, and resigned and depressed and kind of numb at the same time. I feel badly for you; these are scary times. Like most abused children, you came to believe that you must deserve the mistreatment, that you were so bad that you caused your nada to mistreat you: that everything wrong or bad was always your fault. Constant criticism/blaming is a severe form of emotional abuse, and destroys a child's sense of self-worth. Are you thinking about fixing any of this bad programming / brainwashing by your nada? -Annie > > > > > > Wow, Grace > > > THANK YOU. there is so much information in your post, that i am > > printing it out, and I will have to look it over several times, to > > follow all the leads you are giving me. > > > > > > THere is a lot in your post I can relate to, but the whole idea > > of healing from this is so new to me. The whole idea that this > isn't > > WHO I AM. The FOO always taught me that I am wrong, bad,evil.... > > > > > > I have shut myself away for the last few years and cut off > > contact with people and self-soothed alone. But,it's really hard > and > > hurtful to live that way. I would like to have normal > relationships, > > friendships, even a man in my life. I just don't see how this > would > > ever be possible. It is so hard to live this way, and suddenly > > attack peopel around you. That's why I mainly stay away from > people, > > is to protect the others from me. This is exactly what the FOO > > taught me-- that I am a terror, and no one would want to be around > > me... Right now, thought, for the first time in my life, people, > > including you, are telling me that I can overcome this and this > does > > not have to be my fate, that a normal future is possible. This > feels > > like a foreign language to me. I feel like I woke up in a foreign > > country and I haven't quite gotten the grasp of the basic grammar > > yet... > > > > > > I am kind of interested in how you transitioned from isolating > > yourself to having meaningful and close relationships. You mention > > going shopping and interacting with strangers first... I think I > > have been working on this for a while, and now am at the point of > > having some friends to whom I can describe this, and who are > willing > > to stick it out with me and be there for me despite these wierd > > symptoms. > > > > > > As far as causes go, I know what you mean, that it's more > > important to heal than understand why. My T calls this PTSD, but I > > guess I don't really understand the difference between that and PA, > > it all sounds similar to me... I wouldn't say I'm in a state of > > alert all the time, not sure... have to think about this some > more,a > > nd learn more about these different states... > > > > > > I DO know that this is not me. THere is a me underneath these > > reactions. ANd that's a big first step. I will talk with my T > about > > all the resources and ideas you suggest, and I really thank you for > > mentoring me, or passing on your learning to me, or coaching me, or > > whatever you would call it. Thanks for the encouragement, and the > > list of things to learn (I will read that over and over), adn > thanks > > for suggesting I write a book. I would have to fully understand > this > > first, before I could write a book... > > > > > > It's interesting to me that your symptoms started with a car > > crash. Do you think any of your symptoms also come from growing up > > with a BP? I know that we all on this board have grown up with a > > BP, but in coping or surviving that, many of us developed other > > problems because we lacked the basic care of human parents that all > > children need. My T says my PTSD comes from the abuse and neglect > > and terror inflicted on my by my nada, but I also know that I ran > > away from home at 14, and lived homeless on the streets, and of > > course, a lot happened. I know it's hard to compare different > cases > > of PTSD, but I did read that there are diffrenent kinds of PTSD. > > There is a PTSD that comes from a one-time or short=term traumatic > > experience, and there is also a type of PTSD that comes from long- > > term repeated abuse and repeated trauma. My T had diagnosed me > with > > the long-term kind. If yours comes from a car crash, that would be > > the short-term PTSD kind. I ask, because I wonder if I > > > really WILL be able to come back from this??? I am starting to > > believe I can, but there is SO MUCH trauma that I have survived, > > Grace. The majority of my experience of life has been traumatic. > > Can someone like me really heal from this???? > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > Hugs, > > > Walking to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From you friend > > > " WALKING TO HAPPINESS " . > > > May we all walk towards happiness... > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Annie, I do remain in therapy and I did also attend the Caron House's codependency program. I want to leave my marriage for good. It is hard enough dealing with my nada, but what should be my home and safe place is just like it was growing up- filled with crazymaking moments. I try so damn hard to keep my spirit up. I do the positive mantras, meditating, spiritual growth and of course therapy. Yet this is hard and yes it sets me in a downward spiral. I have been ok since Thanksgiving craziness- now here it is Dec.11th and I am down again. it started last night with him questioning me- about anything I do that involves him or the cats. I asked to move his leg when we were going to bed- and his reaction is not to move his leg, he asks me, " Why do you want me to move my leg, and why would you ask me to do that? " I needed more room, I later moved the cat- We wanted to know would I do that to the cat? The cat was in my spot. He wanted to know why I made the alarm clock so loud? I don't even know how to control that.I know this sounds absurd but the man blames me for everything small and large. He has made me feel like I do nothing right and I do doubt myself. I have been in therapy with him- and yes- did was my fault we had marriage problems- because of nada. I am too sensitive to his remarks and comments to me- that is his standard comeback. Or he doesn't want to hear my reaction to him. If I get quiet because he has hurt me, he wants me to snap out of it, and get back to normal. I did callthe afternoon him about the mortgage foreclosure at work. I was rather upset but I didn't yell or be critical of him.- He had no real reaction. Not even I am sorry- just he knew about it, and he will take care of it. He was then busy and needed to go back to work. He came tonight- nothing. If I were to questioned him about this situation, like he did me about the leg room and cats- he would get angry and yes, blame me. So I did nothing- except pray to God he pays it. This is his first year he is self-employed and has not claimed one piece of tax- that will be the next crazy thing. He doesn't have tax money saved. Right now I am bailing us out of the last debt we owed the IRS. I won't bail him out again. I am though use to the chaos- the control and the mistreatment, and yes when I look at this blackhole I find myself in I just want to shut down and give in and up. Fighting or dealing with two bp's has worn me down. Thanks for listening, Malinda In WTOAdultChildren1 , " anuria67854 " <anuria- 67854@...> wrote: > > That is so sad and scary to be in danger of foreclosure and it sounds > like you are feeling anxious right now, and resigned and depressed and > kind of numb at the same time. > I feel badly for you; these are scary times. > Like most abused children, you came to believe that you must deserve > the mistreatment, that you were so bad that you caused your nada to > mistreat you: that everything wrong or bad was always your fault. > Constant criticism/blaming is a severe form of emotional abuse, and > destroys a child's sense of self-worth. > Are you thinking about fixing any of this bad programming / > brainwashing by your nada? > -Annie > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, Grace > > > > THANK YOU. there is so much information in your post, that i am > > > printing it out, and I will have to look it over several times, to > > > follow all the leads you are giving me. > > > > > > > > THere is a lot in your post I can relate to, but the whole idea > > > of healing from this is so new to me. The whole idea that this > > isn't > > > WHO I AM. The FOO always taught me that I am wrong, bad,evil.... > > > > > > > > I have shut myself away for the last few years and cut off > > > contact with people and self-soothed alone. But,it's really hard > > and > > > hurtful to live that way. I would like to have normal > > relationships, > > > friendships, even a man in my life. I just don't see how this > > would > > > ever be possible. It is so hard to live this way, and suddenly > > > attack peopel around you. That's why I mainly stay away from > > people, > > > is to protect the others from me. This is exactly what the FOO > > > taught me-- that I am a terror, and no one would want to be around > > > me... Right now, thought, for the first time in my life, people, > > > including you, are telling me that I can overcome this and this > > does > > > not have to be my fate, that a normal future is possible. This > > feels > > > like a foreign language to me. I feel like I woke up in a foreign > > > country and I haven't quite gotten the grasp of the basic grammar > > > yet... > > > > > > > > I am kind of interested in how you transitioned from isolating > > > yourself to having meaningful and close relationships. You mention > > > going shopping and interacting with strangers first... I think I > > > have been working on this for a while, and now am at the point of > > > having some friends to whom I can describe this, and who are > > willing > > > to stick it out with me and be there for me despite these wierd > > > symptoms. > > > > > > > > As far as causes go, I know what you mean, that it's more > > > important to heal than understand why. My T calls this PTSD, but I > > > guess I don't really understand the difference between that and PA, > > > it all sounds similar to me... I wouldn't say I'm in a state of > > > alert all the time, not sure... have to think about this some > > more,a > > > nd learn more about these different states... > > > > > > > > I DO know that this is not me. THere is a me underneath these > > > reactions. ANd that's a big first step. I will talk with my T > > about > > > all the resources and ideas you suggest, and I really thank you for > > > mentoring me, or passing on your learning to me, or coaching me, or > > > whatever you would call it. Thanks for the encouragement, and the > > > list of things to learn (I will read that over and over), adn > > thanks > > > for suggesting I write a book. I would have to fully understand > > this > > > first, before I could write a book... > > > > > > > > It's interesting to me that your symptoms started with a car > > > crash. Do you think any of your symptoms also come from growing up > > > with a BP? I know that we all on this board have grown up with a > > > BP, but in coping or surviving that, many of us developed other > > > problems because we lacked the basic care of human parents that all > > > children need. My T says my PTSD comes from the abuse and neglect > > > and terror inflicted on my by my nada, but I also know that I ran > > > away from home at 14, and lived homeless on the streets, and of > > > course, a lot happened. I know it's hard to compare different > > cases > > > of PTSD, but I did read that there are diffrenent kinds of PTSD. > > > There is a PTSD that comes from a one-time or short=term traumatic > > > experience, and there is also a type of PTSD that comes from long- > > > term repeated abuse and repeated trauma. My T had diagnosed me > > with > > > the long-term kind. If yours comes from a car crash, that would be > > > the short-term PTSD kind. I ask, because I wonder if I > > > > really WILL be able to come back from this??? I am starting to > > > believe I can, but there is SO MUCH trauma that I have survived, > > > Grace. The majority of my experience of life has been traumatic. > > > Can someone like me really heal from this???? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > Hugs, > > > > Walking to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From you friend > > > > " WALKING TO HAPPINESS " . > > > > May we all walk towards happiness... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 (((((((((Malinda))))))))) Wow. Yes, I have a better feel for why you are thinking about leaving your husband. You deserve better treatment than that; I'm afraid I don't have your patience, which is probably one of the reasons I never married. Its lonely sometimes, but oh, so peaceful! Here's wishing you a lot of strength and fortitude to get through the holidays. -Annie > > > > > > > > > > Wow, Grace > > > > > THANK YOU. there is so much information in your post, that > i am > > > > printing it out, and I will have to look it over several times, > to > > > > follow all the leads you are giving me. > > > > > > > > > > THere is a lot in your post I can relate to, but the whole > idea > > > > of healing from this is so new to me. The whole idea that this > > > isn't > > > > WHO I AM. The FOO always taught me that I am wrong, > bad,evil.... > > > > > > > > > > I have shut myself away for the last few years and cut off > > > > contact with people and self-soothed alone. But,it's really > hard > > > and > > > > hurtful to live that way. I would like to have normal > > > relationships, > > > > friendships, even a man in my life. I just don't see how this > > > would > > > > ever be possible. It is so hard to live this way, and suddenly > > > > attack peopel around you. That's why I mainly stay away from > > > people, > > > > is to protect the others from me. This is exactly what the FOO > > > > taught me-- that I am a terror, and no one would want to be > around > > > > me... Right now, thought, for the first time in my life, > people, > > > > including you, are telling me that I can overcome this and this > > > does > > > > not have to be my fate, that a normal future is possible. This > > > feels > > > > like a foreign language to me. I feel like I woke up in a > foreign > > > > country and I haven't quite gotten the grasp of the basic > grammar > > > > yet... > > > > > > > > > > I am kind of interested in how you transitioned from > isolating > > > > yourself to having meaningful and close relationships. You > mention > > > > going shopping and interacting with strangers first... I think > I > > > > have been working on this for a while, and now am at the point > of > > > > having some friends to whom I can describe this, and who are > > > willing > > > > to stick it out with me and be there for me despite these wierd > > > > symptoms. > > > > > > > > > > As far as causes go, I know what you mean, that it's more > > > > important to heal than understand why. My T calls this PTSD, > but I > > > > guess I don't really understand the difference between that and > PA, > > > > it all sounds similar to me... I wouldn't say I'm in a state > of > > > > alert all the time, not sure... have to think about this some > > > more,a > > > > nd learn more about these different states... > > > > > > > > > > I DO know that this is not me. THere is a me underneath > these > > > > reactions. ANd that's a big first step. I will talk with my T > > > about > > > > all the resources and ideas you suggest, and I really thank you > for > > > > mentoring me, or passing on your learning to me, or coaching > me, or > > > > whatever you would call it. Thanks for the encouragement, and > the > > > > list of things to learn (I will read that over and over), adn > > > thanks > > > > for suggesting I write a book. I would have to fully understand > > > this > > > > first, before I could write a book... > > > > > > > > > > It's interesting to me that your symptoms started with a > car > > > > crash. Do you think any of your symptoms also come from > growing up > > > > with a BP? I know that we all on this board have grown up > with a > > > > BP, but in coping or surviving that, many of us developed other > > > > problems because we lacked the basic care of human parents that > all > > > > children need. My T says my PTSD comes from the abuse and > neglect > > > > and terror inflicted on my by my nada, but I also know that I > ran > > > > away from home at 14, and lived homeless on the streets, and of > > > > course, a lot happened. I know it's hard to compare different > > > cases > > > > of PTSD, but I did read that there are diffrenent kinds of > PTSD. > > > > There is a PTSD that comes from a one-time or short=term > traumatic > > > > experience, and there is also a type of PTSD that comes from > long- > > > > term repeated abuse and repeated trauma. My T had diagnosed me > > > with > > > > the long-term kind. If yours comes from a car crash, that > would be > > > > the short-term PTSD kind. I ask, because I wonder if I > > > > > really WILL be able to come back from this??? I am starting > to > > > > believe I can, but there is SO MUCH trauma that I have > survived, > > > > Grace. The majority of my experience of life has been > traumatic. > > > > Can someone like me really heal from this???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > Hugs, > > > > > Walking to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From you friend > > > > > " WALKING TO HAPPINESS " . > > > > > May we all walk towards happiness... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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