Re: Human body can't hold 100's of stones

January 31, 2002

Sometimes the truth hurts. The AMA and general medical field is very

lucrative (multibillions of dollars). Just try and stop that monster.

O.k., they don't want you to be sick, but thank God you are!!! If you

weren't, the whole American system would suffer, doctors, hospitals,

insurance, pharm. co.s, and etc, etc. We in Western society, and our

lovely diets, are killing ourselves and need a lot of medical

assistance to survive. They thrive and survive on our need. Any

alternative medical suggestions to help ourselves will not be readily

offered by them. >>

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Hi, Barry, and I misunderstood also,

I agree wholeheartedly with you on this subject, and I'm sorry hasn't

found this out yet. Oh, my! Most of us think of " healing " as something that

takes a certain quality in a person, or should. We think of it as a gift in

and of itself. Practicing medicine isn't for everyone is what I'm trying to

say. But exactly what is " practicing medicine " ? Shouldn't it be to benefit

a person and heal them or help heal them if it's possible, to aid them in the

right manner in which to help heal themselves, or at least to make them more

comfortable if they're dying? It seems that doctors have forgotten exactly

what practicing medicine is for, wouldn't you agree?

Nowadays, it's all big money, big medicines that are horribly expensive and

not everyone could afford them and it's probably good that they can't, and

big surgeries. Wake up, , it's happening. If you don't believe it,

then you're living in another world!

Susie

January 31, 2002

>>You're right, Agnes, they want people to be sick. <<

I'm sorry, but I find this statement to be quite extremeist.

Debra

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January 31, 2002

----- Original Message -----

From: " D B " <fairyflight@...>

Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:44 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Human body can't hold 100's of stones

>

> >>You're right, Agnes, they want people to be sick. <<

>

> I'm sorry, but I find this statement to be quite extremeist.

>

> Debra

>

I DON'T......IT'S THE TRUTH! Betsy

January 31, 2002

I totally believe that the flush helped you. I also believe and tell

people that the medical profession has problems (many, many).

However, I don't need to be accused of being brainwashed when asking

a simple question and I responded because I generally don't think

that the way Agnes responded (knee-jerk response, blame other side)

is good for advancing the alternative health movemment--If I was a MD

actually doing research on this I might have been turned away...

--

> > > >Hasn't there been any real research done on the

> > > >gunk that comes out of these cleanses? Is there an report that

we

> > can

> > > >get a hold of that analyzes the stuff that comes out of 20

> > different

> > > >people doing this cleanse?

> > > >--

> > >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > You are very optimistic person! That is good!

> > >

> > > But unfortunately, you sound like you have been brainwashed to

> > believe that

> > > Health Industry exist for you to be healthy.

> >

> > Nope sorry. Not me. But the minute someone suggests that to me

makes

> > me think that they are using that as a scapegoat because they

don't

> > want to answer my question (or don't like the question or have

> > brainwashed themselves, etc). It sounds like the fact is that

there

> > hasn't been any research done on this stuff? Why couldn't you

have

> > just told me that?

> >

> > There are many researchers who care about people's health.

Labeling

> > all researches as frauds is simply a display of ignorance and

quick

> > thinking neither of which are good ideas when we are talking

about

> > someone's health.

> >

> > --

> >

>

> __________________________________________________

>

January 31, 2002

I actually don't find it so extremist a position, and perhaps agree

at least in part. I just don't think it was the right response to my

question. In the future I will include a set of rules for how I want

my questions answered :-).

--

>

> >>You're right, Agnes, they want people to be sick. <<

>

> I'm sorry, but I find this statement to be quite extremeist.

>

> Debra

>

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January 31, 2002

Tishri7@... writes:

> It seems that doctors have forgotten exactly

> what practicing medicine is for, wouldn't you agree?

>

Some, but not all. I just wanted to say, in all fairness, that I don't think

it's fair to make generalizations like these. (I'm not intending to single

out Susie's comment, by the way, it was just the last of several that I read

in this thread.) There ARE a lot of good doctors out there who still

genuinely care about the health and wellbeing of their patients.

There are, by the way, those who call themselves " natural healers " who are

also out for the almighty dollar and have forgotten what healing is for.

There are those who sell herbal supplements just for the money. There are

those who sell cleansing products just for the money and will do so with no

actual regard for the customer's well-being. That doesn't mean they are

all off-track either. There are many out there who are genuine and caring,

just as there are doctors who are as well.

I'd have to concur with on this one. I don't think that bashing the

medical profession is an appropriate way to respond to a question about

research about gallbladder/liver cleanses. I do " get it " - I know that

there's no funding for research about cleansing and the medical profession

isn't likely to do it since they aren't involved in cleansing anyway. But I

think it's unfortunate that a request for information turned into a soapbox

about the medical profession.

Just my perspective - thanks for letting me share it.

in health,

January 31, 2002

Hi ,

A few more thoughts.... I know I tend to become a little testy when it

comes to the medical profession and their " faults. " It's because I know

firsthand the uphill battle chiropractic has had in being accepted as a

viable health care alternative to drugs and surgery-my husband being a

chiropractor for almost 20 years. A large majority of the medical

profession considers most alternative health care practitioners to be

quacks and worse! From that perspective, one could ask the question:

How can you not offend the medical profession when talking about most

alternative health care? Anything which threatens their way of

practicing, and threatens their livelihood is most likely going to

offend them. However, as people take more responsibility for their

health, which is what I think is happening more and more today (people

asking questions, not just blindly accepting what any health practioner

says), the more accountable the health care industry will be to the

people it serves. That's why, IMO, there has been such a surge in

people turning to alternative health care providers and alternative

health care solutions. In doing so, I think we should never forget the

role that money plays in driving the health care industry and the

research that is done.

Thanks for your posts.

Adrienne

--- medwards706 <medwards706@...> wrote:

> I totally believe that the flush helped you. I also believe and tell

> people that the medical profession has problems (many, many).

> However, I don't need to be accused of being brainwashed when asking

> a simple question and I responded because I generally don't think

> that the way Agnes responded (knee-jerk response, blame other side)

> is good for advancing the alternative health movemment--If I was a MD

>

> actually doing research on this I might have been turned away...

>

> --

>

> > > > >Hasn't there been any real research done on the

> > > > >gunk that comes out of these cleanses? Is there an report that

>

> we

> > > can

> > > > >get a hold of that analyzes the stuff that comes out of 20

> > > different

> > > > >people doing this cleanse?

> > > > >--

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > > >

> > > > You are very optimistic person! That is good!

> > > >

> > > > But unfortunately, you sound like you have been brainwashed to

> > > believe that

> > > > Health Industry exist for you to be healthy.

> > >

> > > Nope sorry. Not me. But the minute someone suggests that to me

> makes

> > > me think that they are using that as a scapegoat because they

> don't

> > > want to answer my question (or don't like the question or have

> > > brainwashed themselves, etc). It sounds like the fact is that

> there

> > > hasn't been any research done on this stuff? Why couldn't you

> have

> > > just told me that?

> > >

> > > There are many researchers who care about people's health.

> Labeling

> > > all researches as frauds is simply a display of ignorance and

> quick

> > > thinking neither of which are good ideas when we are talking

> about

> > > someone's health.

> > >

> > > --

> > >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

January 31, 2002

In a message dated 1/31/02 4:31:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,

medwards706@... writes:

> In the future I will include a set of rules for how I want

> my questions answered :-).

>

LOL, - great sense of humor!

January 31, 2002

Thanks for your comments, Adrienne. I did 'hear' your points and appreciate

you sharing them. I don't think our perspectives are that different at all.

in health,

adriennelynn1@... writes:

> I agree with your post,( you made some very good points) except for

> part of this comment:

>

> " But I think it's unfortunate that a request for information turned

> into a soapbox about the medical profession. "

>

> Yes, people who post here should feel free to ask any question that

> concerns them, and hopefully find answers. However, why do people

> (like me) come looking for answers here in the first place? Why aren't

> we able to find the kind of information found on this website in most

> medical doctor's offices? That was the point, or mine, at least.

> Adrienne

>

January 31, 2002

Hi ,

I was on a almost no fat, all carb diet for years before I crashd with

extreme fatigue and many other symptoms. I had no idea what I was doing to

my body. I ate bread, pasta, lasagna and sugar and more sugar. I don't

think this is the whole reason I crashed but it probaby did contribute a

great deal.

I eat the total opposite now - lots of avocados, ground almonds, olive oil,

homemade mayo, all the good fats and lots of fruit/veg. I feel better.

----- Original Message -----

From: <Rachd1961@...>

Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 8:51 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Human body can't hold 100's of stones

> barry91162@... writes:

> > Fasting will allow the bile that is dropping down into the gb to build

up

> > and be

> > full, waiting for the next intake of fats into the intestine. The gb

> > will release a lot of bile throughout the day. Quarts of the stuff is

> > made daily.

> >

>

> I wonder what happens when a person goes on an extended fast. Since the

body

> produces bile on a regular basis and it's fat in the diet that causes the

> gallbladder to contract and move out the bile - what happens if a person

is

> on a fast - OR on a non-fat diet (which I find hard to imagine!!) for an

> extended period of time. Any theories??

>

> Just curious....

>

February 1, 2002

There is a big difference between indirectly offending someone

because you're talking about a subject they dislike and directly

attacking them especially without prior knowledge. I believe in a

unified approach which utilizes all known methods to produce the best

possible outcome.

--

--- In gallstones@y..., Adrienne McLaughlin <adriennelynn1@y...> >

> How can you not offend the medical profession when talking about

most

> alternative health care? Anything which threatens their way of

> practicing, and threatens their livelihood is most likely going to

February 1, 2002

,

I know it felt like a personal offense to you but I think Agnes, in

all her passion for the subject, was really only showing us knowledge

about the big picture. She doesn't personally attack anyone that I

have seen on here but instead her posts are generally intended for

the entire group because she is one of the most knowledgable ones on

here about this topic. We respect her and know what her intentions

are. I'm sorry if you missed the 'major mmessage' in her post. I

didn't.

On the other hand, Agnes only offering information on how to anaylize

results yourself (which was helpful) doesn't answer the question if

she herself can give these results, if there are other alternative

medicine doctors or groups who can display these results, and any

other links leading to these results. I have asked her for these

results also. She what she can find. Even though her intentions are

always good on the information part of this question, I would also

like to see the documented results of people who have gone before us

into lab analysis, etc. I hope there is such results out there. If

there is, Agnes would be the only one on here, IMO, who would have

those results or information leading to. Dax might also..? They have

been in here a lot longer than most of us 'newbies'.

Barry.

> There is a big difference between indirectly offending someone

> because you're talking about a subject they dislike and directly

> attacking them especially without prior knowledge. I believe in a

> unified approach which utilizes all known methods to produce the

best

> possible outcome.

>

> --

>

> --- In gallstones@y..., Adrienne McLaughlin <adriennelynn1@y...> >

> > How can you not offend the medical profession when talking about

> most

> > alternative health care? Anything which threatens their way of

> > practicing, and threatens their livelihood is most likely going to

February 1, 2002

In the message you are replying to I am not talking about Agnes'

message at all, but rather discussing blatantly attacking the medical

profession vs. offending them indirectly by discussing alternative

health remedies. Sorry that wasn't clear.

--

> > There is a big difference between indirectly offending someone

> > because you're talking about a subject they dislike and directly

> > attacking them especially without prior knowledge. I believe in a

> > unified approach which utilizes all known methods to produce the

> best

> > possible outcome.

February 1, 2002

Yes, this statement is extremly true. ;-)