Re: Patty: how to leave the group

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> Patty

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> To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured >

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> Sent: Wednesday, 4 January 2012, 20:02

> Subject: Re: Arh Cameron I see now LOL

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> Take me off please to much emails i cant keep up

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> To: fibromyalgiacured

> Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 8:49 PM

> Subject: Re: Arh Cameron I see now LOL

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> Thanks for this

> Cam

>

>

> >

> > LOL Cameron

> >

> > I see this now, you and Yateendrajee, are one person LOL

> >

> > You are also right about the fact that we should have an array of

> > bacteria, but from Bachamps view this is dictated by nature not us

> >

> > Each toxin has its own bacteria that digests it, or should I say the

> > pathogens have their own metamorphasis that they take on when breaking

> > up a toxin. There are now zillions of toxins in our society and

> > zillions forms of pathogens are needed to break all this down

> >

> > We added a lot of antibiotics in the last century and already the

> > pathogens have developed so that they can and will survive this, ie

> > Candida is just one form that they have turned to and are

> > strengthening to win this battle.

> >

> > We are now in certain areas creating GM to try to beat them but

> > believe me the pathogens will win with this too, you see ALL toxins

> > must be broken down regardless of the damage that results from this.

> > It is essential for life. Should a time come when a toxin is invented

> > that the pathogens cannot break down that will mark the end of life

> > because without it being broken down it will simply build up and up.

> > Radiation from nuclear leaks and bombs is a potential example, but as

> > it happens the pathogens can evolve and break this down

> >

> > And so this is how it has been from the start

> >

> > the humans, (mainly the humans) the other living creatures, and other

> > things necessary for life do what they have to do and from these

> > toxins are made. All of the toxicity, without exception is then taken

> > on by the pathogens and over time they break it down

> >

> > The pathogens only tackle the toxicty, they never tackle the living

> > cells, the healthy cells. Any cell that is found to be toxic must

> > immediately be cleaned and the pathogens within this cell get to work

> > immediately. If they fail and the cell dies (due to poisoning from the

> > toxicty) the pathogen then just devours the cell, or signals to other

> > creatures that this cell is dead and thereful edible to the creatures

> > that eat dead cells

> >

> > An example of this is when we die. The bacteria in the body turns to

> > fungus and then when we are full of fungus flies will lay their eggs

> > in us and the maggots will devour us, but flies do not lay their eggs

> > in healthy flesh, only rotten flesh

> >

> > It is the same with pathogens, they will not dig into healthy flesh

> > and start devouring that, they are not interested in flesh that is not

> > toxic. They only want to digest toxic stuff. that is their job, that

> > is what they are designed to do

> >

> > Here is a example

> >

> > A person goes into hospital and they are very sick with some major

> > toxicity. They have a temperature and sweating and keep throwing up.

> > the doctor checks their blood and finds a certain pathogen is rampent

> > in their body. The doctor knows that when a person is in this state

> > they can die, so he prescribes a strong introvenous antibiotic, the

> > pathogens must survive this onslaught of antibiotcs so they

> > immediately become fungus, candida, this protects them from the

> > antibiotic, but the doctor continues to keep giving this person

> > antibiotics, and even antifungals now. the pathogen has to survive and

> > it has to clear this toxicity, it knows this. As it chokes on all this

> > toxicity it changes again but now the pathogen is like a crazy beast,

> > it turns to something like MRSA, and basically all gun hoe , runs

> > through the body like a flesh eating bug, but it was not devouring the

> > good flesh only the flash that was toxic. the poor person this happens

> > to, now has no

> > leg, but also nobody can explain why this rampent pathogen that was

> > able to eat this persons leg, in a matter of minutes, how is it this

> > pathogen did not jump onto everybody else in the hospital and then

> > everybody in the neightbourhood and then everybody in the world and

> > eat us all up. why do just certain indivuduals and only ever in

> > hospitals, never anywhere else, end up in this state with MRSA

> >

> > It is because in the hospital they are killing the pathogen but not

> > removing the toxin!!!!!!!

> >

> > You will never, not anywhere in the world, not even under a

> > microscope, ever find a pathogen, on its own with out the toxin it is

> > feeding on. The two cannot be separeted

> >

> > You see the toxin creates the pathogen, not the pathogen creating the

> > toxin

> >

> > Pathogens are toxic, but only because they have ingested toxic material

> >

> > Here is another way of looking at it

> >

> > If you place a manure pile outside your back door, flies and other

> > insects will appear. You can go outside with fly killer and other

> > insecticides and spray them, kill them even, but the next day the

> > flies and other creatures will be there. you see you will never shift

> > the creatures by trying to kill them they will come back come back

> > come back. But if you get a spade and you shovel the manure away, you

> > will have no creatures either. And this is how it is with pathogens

> >

> > what ever pathogen is in your body the cells in your body are needing

> > that particular pathogen to clear the actual toxin that is inthe area

> > that your pathogen is residing

> >

> > For me it was in my brain

> >

> > I had a very shocking thing happen to me and a tremendous level of

> > fear/anger emotions filled my body and along with that a whole load of

> > toxic homones and only the Lord knows what. Anyway this terrible event

> > filled my brain and nervous system with a whole load of toxic stuff,

> > that my usual pathogens could not clear, so my body then encouraged

> > candida and other more ruthless pathogens to enter my head and nervous

> > system to get this mess shifted

> >

> > It took ages, but one day, not long ago actually, my neck swelled, it

> > burst and right at the very point where my scull joins my neck a load

> > of like acidy yucky stuff came flooding out of the back of my

> > head/neck. I was scared, really scared, thought it might be a

> > heamorage or something. But it was not. what is was was this pathogens

> > that had been driving me nots for months had finally created a pathway

> > for all this poisonous fluid to leave my body. Since that day I have

> > had no candida sensations in my brain, but I do still get slight

> > sensations in my spine and hips. The candida, and other pathogens are

> > still there cleaning up the mess, and of course the enzymes are

> > rebuilding everything

> >

> > You see this is how pathogens work within our bodies. They clear up

> > our mess. They hurt, they give us brain fog, they itch, make us feel

> > sick and tonnes more, but this is only because as they clear the mess,

> > they kind of fart LOL

> >

> > It is like a worm in a compost bin. they eat the rotten food, munch

> > munch munch munch and out the other end life giving soul is created,

> > which feeds the plants and on and on

> >

> > You pathogens are doing this inside you. They are cleaning up any

> > toxicity you have and trying to make good out of it. Either good out

> > of it or get rid of it

> >

> > the body can only flush it out if it is broken up

> >

> > Now dont ask me why, because, its another long email LOL, but some how

> > the pathogens do all this so much more gracefully on a ketogenic diet

> > than they do on a glucose diet

> >

> > just kidding I will explain this too if you want me to LOL

> >

> > Love joanne

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Cameron D McIntosh <yateendraji@...

> > <mailto:yateendraji%40gmail.com>>

> > To: fibromyalgiacured

> > <mailto:fibromyalgiacured%40yahoogroups.com>

> > Sent: Monday, 2 January 2012, 2:03

> > Subject: Re: Yateendrajee: The diet

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks very much for this.

> >

> > Cam (Yateendra)

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Yateendrajee

> > >

> > > When I first began Bees diet I felt it was controlling, too many rules

> > > and too rigid, and I could not understand why other natural foods like

> > > cocoa, honey, berries were not allowed. I had eaten them on the Atkins

> > > diet and I had not found these to be a problem, in fact they had

> > > helped me a

> > > lot wean off all the processed carbs and they made my meals taste good

> > >

> > > A friend explained that Bees diet was based on the Optimal Diet by Jan

> > > Kwasneiwski, Jan is renowned in Poland and elsewhere for his abiilty

> > > to cure incurable illnesses without any medication at all

> > >

> > > Here are some

> > > testimonies from his site

> > >

> > > http://homodiet.netfirms.com/testimonials/testimonial1.htm

> > >

> > > Still sceptical, i asked but why all these supplements, surely if this

> > > diet was nutritious and healing as they say, we would not need all

> > > these supplements

> > >

> > > I was then referred to the work of the Weston Price Foundation

> > >

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/

> > >

> > > Here I learned how terribly lacking our foods are, even organic foods,

> > > in nutrition due to the draining of the soil, poor farming methods,

> > > all what goes on with the supermarkets and so on

> > >

> > > There are folk that are significantly richer than I am and they can

> > > afford to buy all their fats, meats, eggs, vegetables, and other foods

> > > in the prestige condition that they were in the past, but even with

> > > all the effort I put in now, and I do put a very lot of effort in, I

> > > still cannot find foods that are genuinely rich in nutrition to the

> > > extent that they should be

> > >

> > > Bees supplement regime

> > > makes up for this short fall, and most of her supplements are actually

> > > foods and those that are not contain the absolute minimum, and I mean

> > > the absolute minimum, trace levels of things that are not too great

> > for us

> > >

> > > Dr Mercola, Croxton, Natasha McBride and others I have

> > > mentioned here, have also gone to great lengths to ensure their

> > > supplement regimes are of the highest quality and as correct as

> > > possible in regards to human need, but none of these have gone into

> > > this as deeply or as effectively as Bees diet

> > >

> > > Now in regards to the fecal transplants, and other therapies like the

> > > helminthic therapies, I am all for these, I know they work and if I

> > > had had the money may well have gone for such a therapy. I also

> > > support the GAPS diet, the Ecology and many other therapies and I even

> > > use some things myslef, like McKenna, this is not on Bees

> > > program, and encourage others sometimes to do things not 100% correct,

> > > like cheating with

> > > whey protein, taking paracetamol and so on. But when deciding the

> > > value of any other therapy I have to use this yard stick

> > >

> > > A lot fo therapies can help temporarily, but at the same time

> > > undermine the healing of the diet. an example here would be the Gerson

> > > Therapy. I know for certain that therapy works for cancer and some

> > > other illnesses and I admire the folk that use that therapy and do not

> > > use radiation or chemo therapy etc, but we clearly could not use the

> > > Gerson therapy with the ketogenic diet because there is simply too

> > > much contradition, one is fat based and one is plant food based. Some

> > > therapies do not interfer with the diet at all and really do

> > > complement it, things like chiropractor, accupuncture, massage, sauna,

> > > enema and so on, I support all these. Other things it is harder to

> > > tell, if they will assist or hinder healing. For instance the

> > > heminthic therapy I mentioned would i think support recovery with Bees

> > > diet, but I have also read

> > > that many people using that protocol are using the worms so that they

> > > can eat processed foods and even eat a high carb diet. this is

> > > worrying for me. As you know, high carb diets are the cause of the

> > > epidemics of diabetes, cancer, alzheimers, fibromyalgia, arthritis,

> > > candida, and many more illnesses we now have in the west. The

> > > helminthic treatments might shift a serious illness like crohns MS,

> > > even fibro I suspect, but for me to return to that high carb processed

> > > food diet would be really tempting fate

> > >

> > > I am 45, my dad was 64 when he was diagnosed with Parkinsons. His

> > > health up until then was quit good, mine has been terrible. I have

> > > already experienced many symptoms of parkinsons, and i am not fully

> > > well from fibro yet. I think it would be a crying shame to get well

> > > from this illness and then go back eating that diet only to then go on

> > > and develop parkinsons, or even something worse. My dads parkinsons is

> > > in reverse but he has suffered a great

> > > deal with it and he has struggled a lot with the diet, he is doing

> > > well now but after seeing much of what he has gone through, and

> > > recalling all I went through in the past is what makes me very

> > > determined to remain with this

> > >

> > > The ketogenic version if the diet is restrictive if you compare it to

> > > the indulgence of the west, but in most cultures across the world folk

> > > are not eating anywhere near the level of food or the variety of food

> > > we eat int he west, and those societies that are healthy, those that

> > > have very very very little autoimmune illness or degenerative disease,

> > > they are eating ketogenically The Inuit and Massai tribes are two

> > examples

> > >

> > > http://www.thaifoodandtravel.com/features/price.html

> > >

> > > Other tribes that Weston Price found that were healthy, not as healthy

> > > as the Inuits and Massai, but considerably more healthy than we all

> > > are in the west. these tribes ate more like Bees normal candida diet

> > > and her healthy eating diet. Many folk that start on the ketogenic

> > > diet move onto these diets, but given my history of serious illness

> > > and my family history of parkinsons, I am staying with the ketosis.

> > > Folk decide better when they are healed which diet to choose

> > >

> > > I hope this makes some sense. i know it is long but there is a lot to

> > > cover and I do not want to loose any of you. This diet works for

> > > fibro, it works for other incurable illnesses too, and it can be done

> > > without the use of any drugs at all

> > >

> > > When I get time i will share more about this with you

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > From: yateendrajee <yateendraji@...

> > <mailto:yateendraji%40gmail.com>

> > > <mailto:yateendraji%40gmail.com>

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Dear Joanne:

> > > >

> > > > You said it would take some time to " get my head around it, " and it

> > > > did. But the explanation in your response to (below) resonates

> > > > for me.

> > > >

> > > > The implication is that killing the candida is not the answer because

> > > > the candida is only there to the extent that detoxification is

> > > > necessary. That point is simple, logical and elegant.

> > > >

> > > > I will say one thing about my experience with prescription

> > > > antifungals. I have had to do three coffee enemas per day to stay

> > > > ahead of the toxcicity. I have also needed to add regular

> > > > psyllium-bentonite shakes. These ease out material from the gut and

> > > > have the advantage of being effective in the small intestine.

> > > >

> > > > Reading your posts help me appreciate the unique helpfulness Bee's

> > > > diet has had in treating your illness (fibromyalgia).

> > > >

> > > > One way I'm looking at my approach is that, although the candida are

> > > > there to help with detoxification, it is possible that the mix of

> > > > organisms in the gut might be adjusted by a proportional *reduction*

> > > > in the amount of candida and a proportional *increase* in other

> > > > organisms which will also help in detox but will create a balance in

> > > > which the human ecosystem can work more fully for the *host's* (i.e.,

> > > > my) benefit.

> > > >

> > > > While I agree that diet is the single essential, sufficient means to

> > > > this end, and will be crucial in locking in gains, I wouldn't totally

> > > > disallow the possibility of a successful non-dietary intervention. My

> > > > doctor shared that one of his patients had been doing the SCD diet,

> > > > then decided to go to Australia and have a special procedure done

> > > > whereby the gut was sterilized, and a fecal implant was performed. It

> > > > took this patient two times (separated by years) through this

> > > > procedure to have the result " take, " but he was able to go forward

> > > > without further dietary restriction.

> > > >

> > > > I can't say that appeals to me, nor am I sure this fellow will be

> able

> > > > to continue indefinitely with a randomized diet, but it was an

> > > > interesting story.

> > > >

> > > > Cam

> > > > PS: I have philosophical reservations about being on a restrictive

> > > > diet forever. People do it and, if there is no alternative, I'm OK

> > > > with it. However, from a spiritual standpoint, allowing the full

> > > > spectrum of life through our bodies is desirable. I am interested to

> > > > have read that Jini Patel was able to heal herself from

> > > > serious bowel trouble, and she emphasizes developing a very diverse

> > > > population of organisms in the gut. This seems to correlate well with

> > > > the scientific observation that the biodiversity of the gut of

> > > > gut-compromised people is *very* limited.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > It is Candida, I am sure. This happened to me, and often they could

> > > > not find the candida with tests but gave me Canistan and it cleared

> it

> > > > up, so it was Candida

> > > > >

> > > > > But , using the canistan was not the answer since what this

> > > > actually is is detox

> > > > >

> > > > > I still occasionlly get an itchy rashe there, but mine has moved

> and

> > > > now it is on the back of my legs behind my knees. I NEVER do anything

> > > > to stop this, except apply a little coconut oil to sooth it

> > > > >

> > > > > You see I now see this os correct. This is what is supposed to

> > > > happen. The body has to get rid of its toxins and this is the way it

> > > > does it

> > > > >

> > > > > For my husband it is his feet. He gets Candida symptoms on his feet

> > > > >

> > > > > The thing is when it is mild it does not matter because that is

> just

> > > > the body getting rid of a little junk, it is when it is rampant, all

> > > > over the body, or keeps returning really intensely, this is when real

> > > > attention is needed. But not to destroy the candida. The candida is

> > > > simply breaking up the toxin for you

> > > > >

> > > > > what you need to do is clear the toxin

> > > > >

> > > > > Candida is actually telling your sister something here

> > > > >

> > > > > She must have too many carbs in her body. candida breaks up sugar,

> > > > starch, lactose, and fructose, and a few other carbs i do not know

> the

> > > > names of

> > > > >

> > > > > If your sister water fasts for a day and totally stays off carbs

> for

> > > > a few days this will clear up, BUT this is not the ideal way to deal

> > > > with it

> > > > >

> > > > > You see your sister must be lacking the bacteria needed to digest

> > > > carbs in general and this is why all this has turned to candida

> > > > >

> > > > > to get her gut functioning correctly she needs to go on Bees diet

> > > > and do it ketogenically if possible

> > > > >

> > > > > She can if she wants to try my sharp shock treatment of water

> > > > fasting and no carbs (but she most defiantely needs to take see salt)

> > > > but to be honest for most folk this is too hard

> > > > >

> > > > > Instead of just hammering the system this way that i am saying it

> is

> > > > much easier, and probably much safer too. Remember Bee knows more

> > > > about all this than i do

> > > > >

> > > > > Other things that really affect us and lead to candida are heavy

> > > > metals and dead skin that has been killed from toxicity etc. This is

> > > > going into things too much really, but coffee enemas help with this

> > > > and they are tonnes safer than canastan or indeed any antifungals

> > > > >

> > > > > Negative emotions also trigger my candida

> > > > >

> > > > > but notice with the above, the toxins be it carbs, heavy metals,

> > > > emotions or whatever, preceed the candida. sort this lot you sort the

> > > > candida. destroy your candida and all this toxicity will build up and

> > > > lead to even worse illness

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope i am making sense, typing really fast, i have to go out now

> > > > >

> > > > > Love and stuff joanne

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > >

> > > > > To: fibromyalgiacured

> > <mailto:fibromyalgiacured%40yahoogroups.com>

> > > <mailto:fibromyalgiacured%40yahoogroups.com>

> > > > <mailto:fibromyalgiacured%40yahoogroups.com>

> > > > > Sent: Friday, 30 December 2011, 2:02

> > > > > Subject: Strange symptoms

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Hello All

> > > > > I had my sister try doing no gluten and she had been doing it for a

> > > > month then

> > > > > she ate what ever she wanted during the holidays she has very bad

> > > > inflammation,

> > > > > dry cracked, red skin around her bottom and her vagina.

> > > > > She went to her gyno who thinks maybe its a yeast infection but

> sent

> > > > out a

> > > > > sample even though she could not see any yeast on the sample she

> > took

> > > > > Has anything like this happened to anyone? Or does anyone have an

> > > > idea what this

> > > > > could be?

> > > > > I told her to take a bath with epsom salt, drink braggs vinegar and

> > > > take some

> > > > > lemon juice and water each day

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you

> > > > >

> > > > > Ciao-

> > > > > Ange

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Started taking Low Dose Naltrexone on January 20, 2009 for

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From: Joanne Ford

Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 4:36 AM

To: fibromyalgiacured

Subject: Re: Patty: how to leave the group

Alison

If you want less emails then go to this page and click on edit membership. from

their you can go on daily digest and this will give you just one email aday and

from that email you can pick which emaisl you want to read

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/fibromyalgiacured/

If however, you are wanting to do the diet we are discussing to help yourself

get well from fibro, but you are struggling to keep up with all these many

emails, what you can do is post where you are upto with all this. Then through

out the day I and the others here will post emails relating specifically to your

situation and on each email we will place your name, that way, for now you can

just concerntrate on your own stuff

If at a later date you want to look at the emails you missed you can just go to

the page listed above and read them from the site. You can also email us from

the site and we will still get back to you the same way

Hope this is helpful

Love Joanne

Alison said...........

What happened to our little group? Did we amalgimate with another group?

All of a sudden my mailbox is flooded with emails from Joanne.