One Bad Experience - flush + surgery

February 5, 2002

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gallstones

From: echies@...

Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 15:51:28 -0000

Reply-gallstones

Subject: What do I use to break up stones before flush.

I did my first flush last week. The morning of my flush after the

Epsom salt at 6:00am I had a attack, then after the next Epsom salt

another mild attack. I passed about 200 pea and rice size stones

(Praise the Lord). That evening when I ate chicken soup(2 bowls) it

through me into a massive attack (threw up) my worst yet, I was in

the ER after the pain wouldn't go away after 4 hours. I think some

of the stones are to big and are getting stuck. Is their something I

could take to break them down before I do the flush again. I am a

breastfeeding mom so that may limit what I can take.

God Bless.

Thank you,

Heidi

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From: echies@...

Date: Tue Oct 2, 2001 12:30 am

Subject: Re: What do I use to break up stones before flush.

I did the clark flush, followed it to the letter. I don't know what

the problem really was. The week before I trying a different flush,

3 days only apple juice then olive oil and lemon juice. I had a bad

attack the day after that one to. I didn't pass any stone, that I

could tell. I'm a bit scared to try again. I could use all the

advise I could get. I mentioned the flush to Doctor, he looked at me

like I was crazy and said " they were probably not gall stones " , HA!

I know they were. Heidi

=====================================

From: echies@...

Date: Tue Oct 2, 2001 2:41 am

Subject: Re: What do I use to break up stones before flush.

> Heidi, do you know the size of your stones?

I don't know, forgot to ask.

Heidi

=====================================

From: echies@...

Date: Sun Oct 7, 2001 8:40 pm

Subject: Re: What do I use to break up stones before flush.

I'm sorry it was taken so long to reply to your message. I was

hospitalized twice last week with gallbladder attacks and

unfortunately had it removed on Thursday. I will answer your

question in a hope it will help someone else.

The first attack lasted about 45 minutes and was on a scale of 1-10,

a 8. the second and third were milder 4 and the last after the

homemade chicken soup was a 7 that just would not stop, I believe it

lasted 7 hours. The later attack came after eating eggs which had

not been a trigger food for me before. The attack lasted 40 minutes

it was a 7, after recovering for 20 minute I drank 3 ounces of juice

only to get another attack. That one lasted 7 hours before I went to

the hospital and then 6 more after that.

I'm a 32 year old female

5 children our youngest being 9 months old

I'm half Swiss and half Spanish

5'2'' and 40 pounds over weight

My diet is very bad lots of fatty deserts

no glasses

One German Shepard.

Did not do the parasites cleanse yet.

I think I trying to much to fast without making enough dietary

changes did me in. The frequent attacks caused inflammation ( stones

stuck)and infection which led to more attacks. I do hope some one

can learn from my mistakes. If you have good information on what I

do now I would love the information. I know I traded one problem for

another. Thank you all for your help, Heidi

=====================================

From: " echies " <echies@...>

Date: Fri Oct 12, 2001 6:25 pm

Subject: Attack during flush (Heidi)

Trying to answer some questions. This is Heidi. My first flush I did was the

only apple juice for 3 days and then 3 ounces of lemon and 3 ounces of olive

oil. Before I did this flush I had only had 2 mild attacks, (only when I ate 2

or 3 really fatty meals in a row with little water). It was after the first

flush when my problems really started. I did not get stones out with the first

flush. The morning after the first flush when I ate for the first time I had

bad attack lasting 3-4 hours. It was bad but I could feel it as it moved down

my back and chest until it passed. I learned after that attack if I breathed

deep and relaxed it would go away faster, so ever attack after that one I would

lay in bed and relax until it was over. I don't believe fear was a part of it.

The two attacks that landed me in the hospital were after the 2nd flush (

flush) I got rid of 200 small stones, but I was more susceptible to attacks for

some reason. The attacks that put me in the hospital were different, the pain

was not excruciating but, it just would not go away. I am a healthy person with

no other health problems. I wish I would not have had my gallbladder out, I

would have tried to flush more. I traded one problem for another, I would

recommend people to try the flushes and don't give up.

Heidi

=========================

February 6, 2002

Heidi,

Yes!You're supposed to drink apple juice for 5 days

prior to the flush(1 quart a day).This is what softens

the stones and prepares them for evacuation. I hope

you feel better!

--- Agnes <agnes@...> wrote:

>

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> gallstones

> From: echies@...

> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 15:51:28 -0000

> Reply-gallstones

> Subject: What do I use to break up

> stones before flush.

>

> I did my first flush last week. The morning of my

> flush after the

> Epsom salt at 6:00am I had a attack, then after the

> next Epsom salt

> another mild attack. I passed about 200 pea and rice

> size stones

> (Praise the Lord). That evening when I ate chicken

> soup(2 bowls) it

> through me into a massive attack (threw up) my worst

> yet, I was in

> the ER after the pain wouldn't go away after 4

> hours. I think some

> of the stones are to big and are getting stuck. Is

> their something I

> could take to break them down before I do the flush

> again. I am a

> breastfeeding mom so that may limit what I can take.

>

> God Bless.

> Thank you,

> Heidi

>

> =====================================

>

> From: echies@...

> Date: Tue Oct 2, 2001 12:30 am

> Subject: Re: What do I use to break up stones

> before flush.

>

> I did the clark flush, followed it to the letter. I

> don't know what

> the problem really was. The week before I trying a

> different flush,

> 3 days only apple juice then olive oil and lemon

> juice. I had a bad

> attack the day after that one to. I didn't pass any

> stone, that I

> could tell. I'm a bit scared to try again. I could

> use all the

> advise I could get. I mentioned the flush to Doctor,

> he looked at me

> like I was crazy and said " they were probably not

> gall stones " , HA!

> I know they were. Heidi

>

> =====================================

>

> From: echies@...

> Date: Tue Oct 2, 2001 2:41 am

> Subject: Re: What do I use to break up stones

> before flush.

>

> > Heidi, do you know the size of your stones?

>

> I don't know, forgot to ask.

>

> Heidi

> =====================================

> From: echies@...

> Date: Sun Oct 7, 2001 8:40 pm

> Subject: Re: What do I use to break up stones

> before flush.

>

> I'm sorry it was taken so long to reply to your

> message. I was

> hospitalized twice last week with gallbladder

> attacks and

> unfortunately had it removed on Thursday. I will

> answer your

> question in a hope it will help someone else.

> The first attack lasted about 45 minutes and was on

> a scale of 1-10,

> a 8. the second and third were milder 4 and the last

> after the

> homemade chicken soup was a 7 that just would not

> stop, I believe it

> lasted 7 hours. The later attack came after eating

> eggs which had

> not been a trigger food for me before. The attack

> lasted 40 minutes

> it was a 7, after recovering for 20 minute I drank 3

> ounces of juice

> only to get another attack. That one lasted 7 hours

> before I went to

> the hospital and then 6 more after that.

>

> I'm a 32 year old female

> 5 children our youngest being 9 months old

> I'm half Swiss and half Spanish

> 5'2'' and 40 pounds over weight

> My diet is very bad lots of fatty deserts

> no glasses

> One German Shepard.

> Did not do the parasites cleanse yet.

>

> I think I trying to much to fast without making

> enough dietary

> changes did me in. The frequent attacks caused

> inflammation ( stones

> stuck)and infection which led to more attacks. I do

> hope some one

> can learn from my mistakes. If you have good

> information on what I

> do now I would love the information. I know I traded

> one problem for

> another. Thank you all for your help, Heidi

>

> =====================================

> From: " echies " <echies@...>

> Date: Fri Oct 12, 2001 6:25 pm

> Subject: Attack during flush (Heidi)

>

> ADVERTISEMENT

>

> Trying to answer some questions. This is Heidi. My

> first flush I did was the

> only apple juice for 3 days and then 3 ounces of

> lemon and 3 ounces of olive

> oil. Before I did this flush I had only had 2 mild

> attacks, (only when I ate 2

> or 3 really fatty meals in a row with little water).

> It was after the first

> flush when my problems really started. I did not get

> stones out with the first

> flush. The morning after the first flush when I ate

> for the first time I had

> bad attack lasting 3-4 hours. It was bad but I could

> feel it as it moved down

> my back and chest until it passed. I learned after

> that attack if I breathed

> deep and relaxed it would go away faster, so ever

> attack after that one I would

> lay in bed and relax until it was over. I don't

> believe fear was a part of it.

> The two attacks that landed me in the hospital were

> after the 2nd flush (

> flush) I got rid of 200 small stones, but I was more

> susceptible to attacks for

> some reason. The attacks that put me in the hospital

> were different, the pain

> was not excruciating but, it just would not go away.

> I am a healthy person with

> no other health problems. I wish I would not have

> had my gallbladder out, I

> would have tried to flush more. I traded one problem

> for another, I would

> recommend people to try the flushes and don't give

> up.

>

> Heidi

>

> =========================

>

__________________________________________________

February 7, 2002

Feb6/02

His I don't know if your name is Heidi or Agnes. Anway... here goes.

I Have just completed my 3rd flush last night, but that's a story for another

time if you are interested.

Basicly here's what you do to break down the stones.

Two caps of APPLE PECTIN before each meal

along with 2Caps of Camomile.

ANother thing you might do is also eat frsh apples or drink

the juice of apples.... fresh;ly made in the juicer NOT out of a can or bottle.

Also Pear juice is a specific.

Do not eat. Watch it when you do this HC flush. PAy attention to your

body signals. If there is discomfort up under the right ribcage

DON " T EAT!

DRINK HERBAL TEAS ie., COMFREY WITH HORSETAIL AND DANDELION ROOT.

THE DANDELION ROOT NEEDS TO BE BOILED SEPARATELY AND THEN

THROWN INTO THE TEAPOT WITH THE STEEPING HORSETAIL AND COMFREY.

3 CUPS A DAY.

ALSO PEPPERMINT OIL IS AN OLD EUROPEAN REMEDY. 5 TO 10 DROPS IN WARM WATER

AND SIP IT SLOWLY...AND LIE ON YOUR BACK. REMEMBER THE LIVER ONLY FLUSHES WHEN

YOU LIE ON YOUR BACK.

I think that just about covers it.

Are you doing the HC Kidney Flush? That is a prerequisite to doing the Liver

Gallbladder flush.

Also you need to be fasting and cutting off all meds and supplements and dairy

for at least one day before you do the Liver Flush. .... AND no drinking or

eating after

2PM on the day that you plan the Flush. So basicly it's almost a two day fast.

Let me know how you make out.

I see that you are nursing try to balance out my suggestions to accomodate the

breast feeding aspect

Regards and good luck!

Joan

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> From: echies@...

> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 15:51:28 -0000

> Reply-gallstones

> Subject: What do I use to break up stones before flush.

>

> I did my first flush last week. The morning of my flush after the

> Epsom salt at 6:00am I had a attack, then after the next Epsom salt

> another mild attack. I passed about 200 pea and rice size stones

> (Praise the Lord). That evening when I ate chicken soup(2 bowls) it

> through me into a massive attack (threw up) my worst yet, I was in

> the ER after the pain wouldn't go away after 4 hours. I think some

> of the stones are to big and are getting stuck. Is their something I

> could take to break them down before I do the flush again. I am a

> breastfeeding mom so that may limit what I can take.

>

> God Bless.

> Thank you,

> Heidi

>

> =====================================

>

> From: & nbsp; echies@...

> Date: & nbsp; Tue Oct 2, 2001 & nbsp; 12:30 am

> Subject: & nbsp; Re: What do I use to break up stones before flush.

>

> I did the clark flush, followed it to the letter. I don't know what

> the problem really was. The week before I trying a different flush,

> 3 days only apple juice then olive oil and lemon juice. I had a bad

> attack the day after that one to. I didn't pass any stone, that I

> could tell. I'm a bit scared to try again. I could use all the

> advise I could get. I mentioned the flush to Doctor, he looked at me

> like I was crazy and said & quot; they were probably not gall stones & quot;, HA!

>

> I know they were. Heidi

>

> =====================================

>

> From: & nbsp; echies@...

> Date: & nbsp; Tue Oct 2, 2001 & nbsp; 2:41 am

> Subject: & nbsp; Re: What do I use to break up stones before flush.

>

> & gt; Heidi, do you know the size of your stones?

>

> I don't know, forgot to ask.

>

> Heidi

> =====================================

> From: & nbsp; echies@...

> Date: & nbsp; Sun Oct 7, 2001 & nbsp; 8:40 pm

> Subject: & nbsp; Re: What do I use to break up stones before flush.

>

> I'm sorry it was taken so long to reply to your message. I was

> hospitalized twice last week with gallbladder attacks and

> unfortunately had it removed on Thursday. I will answer your

> question in a hope it will help someone else.

> The first attack lasted about 45 minutes and was on a scale of 1-10,

> a 8. the second and third were milder 4 and the last after the

> homemade chicken soup was a 7 that just would not stop, I believe it

> lasted 7 hours. The later attack came after eating eggs which had

> not been a trigger food for me before. The attack lasted 40 minutes

> it was a 7, after recovering for 20 minute I drank 3 ounces of juice

> only to get another attack. That one lasted 7 hours before I went to

> the hospital and then 6 more after that.

>

> I'm a 32 year old female

> 5 children our youngest being 9 months old

> I'm half Swiss and half Spanish

> 5'2'' and 40 pounds over weight

> My diet is very bad lots of fatty deserts

> no glasses

> One German Shepard.

> Did not do the parasites cleanse yet.

>

> I think I trying to much to fast without making enough dietary

> changes did me in. The frequent attacks caused inflammation ( stones

> stuck)and infection which led to more attacks. I do hope some one

> can learn from my mistakes. If you have good information on what I

> do now I would love the information. I know I traded one problem for

> another. Thank you all for your help, Heidi

>

> =====================================

> From: & nbsp; & quot;echies & quot; & lt;echies@... & gt;

> Date: & nbsp; Fri Oct 12, 2001 & nbsp; 6:25 pm

> Subject: & nbsp; Attack during flush (Heidi)

>

> ADVERTISEMENT

>

> Trying to answer some questions. This is Heidi. My first flush I did was

> the

> only apple juice for 3 days and then 3 ounces of lemon and 3 ounces of

> olive

> oil. Before I did this flush I had only had 2 mild attacks, (only when I ate

> 2

> or 3 really fatty meals in a row with little water). It was after the

> first

> flush when my problems really started. I did not get stones out with the

> first

> flush. The morning after the first flush when I ate for the first time I

> had

> bad attack lasting 3-4 hours. It was bad but I could feel it as it moved

> down

> my back and chest until it passed. I learned after that attack if I

> breathed

> deep and relaxed it would go away faster, so ever attack after that one I

> would

> lay in bed and relax until it was over. I don't believe fear was a part of

> it.

> The two attacks that landed me in the hospital were after the 2nd flush

> (

> flush) I got rid of 200 small stones, but I was more susceptible to attacks

> for

> some reason. The attacks that put me in the hospital were different, the

> pain

> was not excruciating but, it just would not go away. I am a healthy person

> with

> no other health problems. I wish I would not have had my gallbladder out,

> I

> would have tried to flush more. I traded one problem for another, I would

> recommend people to try the flushes and don't give up.

>

> Heidi

>

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