Re: 5HTP

[Guest guest]

Everyone:

Hey I was ordering some B5 and Magnesium from VRP yesterday for my autistic

little guy who is grinding his teeth terribly these days and the gal that was

taking my order asked me if I tried 5 HTP on my son yet. They said they have

other customers who use it with their autistic kids and it helps calm them

and in turn less hyperactivity, less grinding, less stim behavior in general.

Has anyone out their tried this? Any input would be appreicated. I just was a

little concerned when she said tryptophen cause I just remember some negative

press on this supplement back in the late 80's or early 90's. If anyone knows

anything helpful about it and is willing to share, please do. Thanks,

[Guest guest]

5thp apprently needs a drug to make it go into the brain which they

do in europe. there is something about this on the www.lef.org site.

how much b12? too much will be a problem

doses have windows, too little, a range which seems to give an

improvement in the window and too much which causes problems

outweighing or defeating the improvements.

there is a bad tendency in the supplement scene to overdose

supplementts by a long way.

> Hi,

> Last week we tried our daughter on 5HTP and she has been physically

stimming like crazy. A couple weeks ago we started her on compounded

sublingual B12. Could either of these be causing this incredible

amount of stimming/shaking?

> Thanks!

> Marisol

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- Hi Carla,

I haven't really tried it for my autistic son, but I used to

give my daughter 5-Htp. She no longer needs it. She was prescribed

prozac at age 8 for severe depression. A few months after starting it

she told me she didn't like her " medicine " because it made her not

want to be around me and it made her feel mad at me. I flushed the

prozac, did some research and found 5-Htp. It worked for her

beautifully. She is now a very happy 13 year old, although still

shows some OCD behaviour in times of stress.

I recommend it, Lindy

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In , " Carla Pham " <carlampham@c...>

wrote:

> Does anyone use 5HTP for low serotonin? If so, can you explain

doses and your experiences. Thanks.

>

> A thought and probably a dumb one - But, if serotonin levels are

low on the left side of the brain in only certain areas (My child's

are the thalamus and the frontal lobe), what happens to the other

areas that have a normal amount of serotonin when you give

supplementation? I know from reading that high levels of serotonin

are not good either. Just thinking---------

>

>

> Carla

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

low rda b6, magnesium, vit c, broad spectrum b vits...can make

serotonin... and cellulose enzymes like no fenol or candex which

break down plant fiber to make amino acids that are used as building

blocks for serotonin...

--- In , " Carla Pham " <carlampham@c...>

wrote:

> Does anyone use 5HTP for low serotonin? If so, can you explain

doses and your experiences. Thanks.

>

> A thought and probably a dumb one - But, if serotonin levels are

low on the left side of the brain in only certain areas (My child's

are the thalamus and the frontal lobe), what happens to the other

areas that have a normal amount of serotonin when you give

supplementation? I know from reading that high levels of serotonin

are not good either. Just thinking---------

>

>

> Carla

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I use 5HTP for my own depression. Previously I was on 20 mg of Paxil per

day, and used the 5HTP to get off Paxil. I take 1 100 mg capsule with

breakfast and dinner. Initially, it caused an upset stomach, but after a

week it no longer bothered me. It is better taken with food. I purchase it

on line from Vitacost.com and it is even cheaper than the insurance co-pay

was on the Paxil!

I did ask my son's psychiatrist about it. He felt it was probably as safe as

any SSRI.

I do not use it for my son, but learned about 5HTP from Dr. Amen's book on

Healing ADHD. He recommends it for certain types of ADD -- those with an OCD

component. How did you learn what parts of your son's brain are affected?

Did you have a PET scan done?

BTW, I just learned from my son's psychiatrist that high copper levels

interfere with the enzymes that produce serotonin, which can cause

aggression. My son has sky-high copper levels on his provoked urine

('s disease has been ruled out) and will be continueing chelation to

get his copper down.

Jody (who recently joined and has been lurking for a week)

[Guest guest]

How do you give kids 5htp who don't swallow pills? Are they capsules that

can be opened and put in food, or pills that dissolve in juice? What is the

taste like? I am considering this for my middle (allegedly NT) 6 yo daughter

who tends to moodiness and oppositional behavior. Sure would like to find

something that works.

Thanks!

K

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What is this - 5htp? And why is it helpful for someone prone to moody or

oppositional behavior? I'm curious because I have an NT 4yr old who meets

that criteria...

Thanks,

Michele

In a message dated 12/10/02 10:05:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,

koiner@... writes:

<< How do you give kids 5htp who don't swallow pills? Are they capsules that

can be opened and put in food, or pills that dissolve in juice? What is the

taste like? I am considering this for my middle (allegedly NT) 6 yo daughter

who tends to moodiness and oppositional behavior. Sure would like to find

something that works.

Thanks!

K >>

[Guest guest]

Lindy,

I'm highly considering the 5HTP and the reason is his OCD behaviors and anxiety

that brings them on. He's 4 1/2 yrs. old. Did you notice the OCD behaviors and

anxiety find relief on it? If so, how long before you noticed results? Any

other behaviors that it helped?

Thanks!

Carla

[ ] Re: 5HTP

--- Hi Carla,

I haven't really tried it for my autistic son, but I used to

give my daughter 5-Htp. She no longer needs it. She was prescribed

prozac at age 8 for severe depression. A few months after starting it

she told me she didn't like her " medicine " because it made her not

want to be around me and it made her feel mad at me. I flushed the

prozac, did some research and found 5-Htp. It worked for her

beautifully. She is now a very happy 13 year old, although still

shows some OCD behaviour in times of stress.

I recommend it, Lindy

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In , " Carla Pham " <carlampham@c...>

wrote:

> Does anyone use 5HTP for low serotonin? If so, can you explain

doses and your experiences. Thanks.

>

> A thought and probably a dumb one - But, if serotonin levels are

low on the left side of the brain in only certain areas (My child's

are the thalamus and the frontal lobe), what happens to the other

areas that have a normal amount of serotonin when you give

supplementation? I know from reading that high levels of serotonin

are not good either. Just thinking---------

>

>

> Carla

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

---5-Htp is a natural supplement that works the same as prescription

SSRI's such as Prozac and Paxil. It acts to help increase the

serotonin...WITHOUT the side effects!...GOOD stuff!

Lindy

!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In , hugsfam5@c... wrote:

> What is this - 5htp? And why is it helpful for someone prone to

moody or

> oppositional behavior? I'm curious because I have an NT 4yr old who

meets

> that criteria...

>

> Thanks,

> Michele

>

> In a message dated 12/10/02 10:05:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> koiner@n... writes:

>

> << How do you give kids 5htp who don't swallow pills? Are they

capsules that

> can be opened and put in food, or pills that dissolve in juice?

What is the

> taste like? I am considering this for my middle (allegedly NT) 6

yo daughter

> who tends to moodiness and oppositional behavior. Sure would like

to find

> something that works.

>

> Thanks!

> K >>

[Guest guest]

Jody,

Yes, I had a PET Scan done. It seems that not many do the PET Scans - I haven't

read many posts on people doing them. I found the information very informative

and it settled my mind on what exactly was going on with him. He also showed a

malformation on his MRI in some tissue. Something we were not expecting. He

lacks serotonin in two areas of the brain ( I believe they were the Frontal Lobe

area and the thalamus). Usually the cerebellum is also affected, but not in my

son. The pathway between the areas is the speech and language pathway. I hope

I'm remembering all of this correctly. His diagnosis is high functioning

autism. I tried Risperadol on him with no success. Because of his anxiety and

OCD's, I was looking for something else to try. I'm on my 2nd day now with him

on it. How long before you notice anything?? I also asked my doctor about 5HTP

and he said not to use it and wait for a clinical study. Well, I decided to try

it anyway. He needs some help with these issues and I felt this might be safer

prior to using medicaton. I'm not opposed to meds but like most people use them

as a last resort. Any other questions - let me know.

Carla

From: GJHourigan@...

Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 1:20 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] 5HTP

I use 5HTP for my own depression. Previously I was on 20 mg of Paxil per

day, and used the 5HTP to get off Paxil. I take 1 100 mg capsule with

breakfast and dinner. Initially, it caused an upset stomach, but after a

week it no longer bothered me. It is better taken with food. I purchase it

on line from Vitacost.com and it is even cheaper than the insurance co-pay

was on the Paxil!

I did ask my son's psychiatrist about it. He felt it was probably as safe as

any SSRI.

I do not use it for my son, but learned about 5HTP from Dr. Amen's book on

Healing ADHD. He recommends it for certain types of ADD -- those with an OCD

component. How did you learn what parts of your son's brain are affected?

Did you have a PET scan done?

BTW, I just learned from my son's psychiatrist that high copper levels

interfere with the enzymes that produce serotonin, which can cause

aggression. My son has sky-high copper levels on his provoked urine

('s disease has been ruled out) and will be continueing chelation to

get his copper down.

Jody (who recently joined and has been lurking for a week)

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[Guest guest]

The 5HTP comes in a capsule and I just mix with a good tasting drink - my son

doesn't notice it at all.

Carla

Re: [ ] Re: 5HTP

How do you give kids 5htp who don't swallow pills? Are they capsules that

can be opened and put in food, or pills that dissolve in juice? What is the

taste like? I am considering this for my middle (allegedly NT) 6 yo daughter

who tends to moodiness and oppositional behavior. Sure would like to find

something that works.

Thanks!

K

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> I give my daughter 50mg 2x day and she is 7, about 50 lbs. She tolerates it

> well and doesn¹t have any apparent side effects. I used 5htp before enzymes,

> then during 6 months on HNI enzymes. I tried stopping 5htp recently but the

> mood swings and agitation came back. It is expensive, but sometimes you can

> get the Natrol on sale two for one.

>

> I am curious how many parents use SSRIs with their children? I don¹t hear too

> much discussion on this topic.

>

> Serena

[Guest guest]

> > I give my daughter 50mg 2x day and she is 7, about 50 lbs. She tolerates

it

> > well and doesn1t have any apparent side effects. I used 5htp before

enzymes,

> > then during 6 months on HNI enzymes. I tried stopping 5htp recently but

the

> > mood swings and agitation came back. It is expensive, but sometimes you

can

> > get the Natrol on sale two for one.

> >

> > I am curious how many parents use SSRIs with their children? I don1t

hear too

> > much discussion on this topic.

> >

> > Serena

>

>

>

I always said that I would NEVER put my son on any of these medications, but

in desperation we broke down and tried Paxil. Biggest mistake ever!! Please

heed the warnings that are out there (now!) about not using SSRIs on kids!!

My son was 14 at the time. 1st week wonderful, but then he suddenly became

psychotic and wanted to chop himself up, frantic state constantly, no sleep, it

was the worst time ever!! He had never ever been self-abusive before, so this

was not just the autism. Once he was off for a while that behaviour

disappeared, but it did take a while for it to clear his system and it was the

longest 2 weeks of my life. I often find myself wondering about 5HTP but if

there is even the smallest chance that it could have the same effect as the

SSRI , I will never go near it!!!

Laurie

>

>

[Guest guest]

I personally just started taking 5-HTP myself. I tried it for a few

days at 50mg but didn't feel anything. Yesterday I took 100 mg (I

weigh 135 lbs). I took Celexa for 1 year and it worked great, so I

know I have low seratonin issues. I finally weened myself off it

(the Celexa) but am more irritabal and my sleep cycle isn't stable

again. I suspect seratonin issues with my son Zach, now 4, and I am

considering 5-HTP for him down the road. I had a urine pyrroles test

run on him and the results were within normal range, but at the high

end (15 in a range of 0-20 ug/dL). I believe Vit B, zinc and 5-HTP

are used to help correct this.

Miti

> > I give my daughter 50mg 2x day and she is 7, about 50 lbs. She

tolerates it

> > well and doesn¹t have any apparent side effects. I used 5htp

before enzymes,

> > then during 6 months on HNI enzymes. I tried stopping 5htp

recently but the

> > mood swings and agitation came back. It is expensive, but

sometimes you can

> > get the Natrol on sale two for one.

> >

> > I am curious how many parents use SSRIs with their children? I

don¹t hear too

> > much discussion on this topic.

> >

> > Serena

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> > > I am curious how many parents use SSRIs with their children? I

don1t hear too much discussion on this topic.

My older son started Zoloft when he just turned 5 and nothing has

been able to replace it (diet, supplements, therapy, getting older).

It is likely it is an 'issue' that runs in our family as everyone

here does better on it.

If one SSRI doesn't work, then often another one will. Some work

better than others depending on the person. Paxil has one of the

worse side effect records of the bunch and I have no idea why some

doctors prescribe that one first when it seems one of the other ones

with much less side-effects would be better.

.

[Guest guest]

A friend of mine has her autistic son, age 6, on Zoloft with great results.

It has helped him to enter kindergarten this year.

Pam in MN

[Guest guest]

My daughter, age 8, recently started taking it. We started out with

a low dose, 12mg, and increased very slowly. We worked up to 50mg

2Xday. It did give her nightmares at that dose. After the third

night of her in my bed I made the connection and lowered her to 50mg

just in the am. It helped her mood a lot. I decided to add

inositol powder and lowered her 5-htp dose to 33mg. She's doing

really well with the combination. She calls the inositol powder her

happy vitamin, lol.

> I am wondering what everyone thinks of this. My great new doc

prescribes Paxil. I read up on it after we fill the rx and the side

effects are really scary. She has her kids on Buspar a little less

scary. Then I remember some people on one my groups talking about

5htp it sounds really good. We are a mild case of autism, if there

is such a thing, the doc says he's high functioning. He stims alot

with his hands, active almost hyper, sleep issues, probably GI

issues but he's all in all a great kid. Also memorizes and recalls

at random tv show dialogue and radio dialogue. Can be funny other

times its pretty embarrassing when we go into the local grocery

store in our little town and he yells " Yo rescue pack! " from Dora

and Diego. She has a backpack he has a rescue pack to rescue

animals in the wilderness. FYI. Anyhow, it seems more natural to

try the 5htp over Paxil.

>

> Any comments and/or suggestions would be helpful. We are having

trouble with SCD. Some recipes taste less than desirable. I really

want some good bread!!!! No matter what we are staying with the

yogurt. I will get my $39.99 out of that machine. Its really

nice. My gut is fighting back. Can't find activated charcoal and

the pharmacy guy looked at me like a terrorist buying amonia or

plutonium!!! I'm just a mom with a special kid for goodness sakes.

After we get tests back from Great Smokey Labs on the BM samples

will probably start enzymes. At least no-phenol.

>

> I need some direction. I feel lost. I feel torn. I have a

good doc but I don't want him on drugs if there is something than

can help regulate mood, sleep and appetite if 5htp can really do

that! I read somewhere about nightmares, is that true of 5htp? I

am also considering for me. I have depressive periods and tired of

ssri's not really working or making me feel uncomfortable.

>

> Sorry so long.

> April (mom to Matt 7yo ASD, GI etc., plus 3yo NT trying

SCD but my husband is being weird about it!)

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

There are still no long term studies on what these drugs do on children 5 and

under. This was the reason I refused outright to try drugs. However, the

blessing was, each behavior was a symptom of an underlying problem. OCD, viral.

Sleep and bowel issues, bacterial and yeast. Stimming, yeast. Weepiness, yeast,

die-off and bacteria. Etc. The list for my son could go on and on. It is no

treat juggling all the supplements, but they are all supplements that even in

mass dose, would not damage any organ or impair any body function. It's

expensive, and insurance does not pay for supplements the way it pays for meds.

The outcome for us has been, to look at him, interact with him, teach him, you'd

never guess the autism, and he was diagnosed severe. So I would imagine that

your chances are really good to uncover the underlying issues for your child.

It's hard, seems once you address one thing, you uncover another thing.

Rotating, roller coaster effect, this is the jargon we use, those of us that

rely solely on supplements. I don't recall that being the case for those on

meds. But, I'm not sure. My son is not completely better, but we are so

incredibly close I can feel it. Good luck to you, no one here will judge you

whatever you choose, or at least no one should judge you, we all walk a

different road, we just get to see some of the same scenery.

spam: 5htp

I am wondering what everyone thinks of this. My great new doc prescribes

Paxil. I read up on it after we fill the rx and the side effects are really

scary. She has her kids on Buspar a little less scary. Then I remember some

people on one my groups talking about 5htp it sounds really good. We are a mild

case of autism, if there is such a thing, the doc says he's high functioning. He

stims alot with his hands, active almost hyper, sleep issues, probably GI issues

but he's all in all a great kid. Also memorizes and recalls at random tv show

dialogue and radio dialogue. Can be funny other times its pretty embarrassing

when we go into the local grocery store in our little town and he yells " Yo

rescue pack! " from Dora and Diego. She has a backpack he has a rescue pack to

rescue animals in the wilderness. FYI. Anyhow, it seems more natural to try the

5htp over Paxil.

Any comments and/or suggestions would be helpful. We are having trouble with

SCD. Some recipes taste less than desirable. I really want some good bread!!!!

No matter what we are staying with the yogurt. I will get my $39.99 out of that

machine. Its really nice. My gut is fighting back. Can't find activated charcoal

and the pharmacy guy looked at me like a terrorist buying amonia or plutonium!!!

I'm just a mom with a special kid for goodness sakes. After we get tests back

from Great Smokey Labs on the BM samples will probably start enzymes. At least

no-phenol.

I need some direction. I feel lost. I feel torn. I have a good doc but I don't

want him on drugs if there is something than can help regulate mood, sleep and

appetite if 5htp can really do that! I read somewhere about nightmares, is that

true of 5htp? I am also considering for me. I have depressive periods and tired

of ssri's not really working or making me feel uncomfortable.

Sorry so long.

April (mom to Matt 7yo ASD, GI etc., plus 3yo NT trying SCD but my

husband is being weird about it!)

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

We have been doing lots of natural supplements but had gotten to the point where

the anxiety wasn't being touched. So we are on Prozac extremely low and slow

here. Hopefully this will take the edge off and can help us get to a GFCF diet

or other things like eating dairy free. Such a limited diet and so many sensory

issues just overwhelmed any attempt. If she were still 4 years old it would be

easier, she ate alot more variety of foods then. I can attribute the issues to

age 2 when many antibiotic shots were given for ear infections that only began

after a move to TX. Never had one in IL. Anyway, so far no reactions at all on

Prozac and we had every bad reaction to Paxil at age 5. Now 8 years old and

plenty of supps to support the attempt at Prozac. Dianne

ammattson <ammattson@...> wrote: There are still no long term

studies on what these drugs do on children 5 and under. This was the reason I

refused outright to try drugs. However, the blessing was, each behavior was a

symptom of an underlying problem. OCD, viral. Sleep and bowel issues, bacterial

and yeast. Stimming, yeast. Weepiness, yeast, die-off and bacteria. Etc. The

list for my son could go on and on. It is no treat juggling all the supplements,

but they are all supplements that even in mass dose, would not damage any organ

or impair any body function. It's expensive, and insurance does not pay for

supplements the way it pays for meds. The outcome for us has been, to look at

him, interact with him, teach him, you'd never guess the autism, and he was

diagnosed severe. So I would imagine that your chances are really good to

uncover the underlying issues for your child. It's hard, seems once you address

one thing, you uncover another thing. Rotating,

roller coaster effect, this is the jargon we use, those of us that rely solely

on supplements. I don't recall that being the case for those on meds. But, I'm

not sure. My son is not completely better, but we are so incredibly close I can

feel it. Good luck to you, no one here will judge you whatever you choose, or at

least no one should judge you, we all walk a different road, we just get to see

some of the same scenery.

spam: 5htp

I am wondering what everyone thinks of this. My great new doc prescribes Paxil.

I read up on it after we fill the rx and the side effects are really scary. She

has her kids on Buspar a little less scary. Then I remember some people on one

my groups talking about 5htp it sounds really good. We are a mild case of

autism, if there is such a thing, the doc says he's high functioning. He stims

alot with his hands, active almost hyper, sleep issues, probably GI issues but

he's all in all a great kid. Also memorizes and recalls at random tv show

dialogue and radio dialogue. Can be funny other times its pretty embarrassing

when we go into the local grocery store in our little town and he yells " Yo

rescue pack! " from Dora and Diego. She has a backpack he has a rescue pack to

rescue animals in the wilderness. FYI. Anyhow, it seems more natural to try the

5htp over Paxil.

Any comments and/or suggestions would be helpful. We are having trouble with

SCD. Some recipes taste less than desirable. I really want some good bread!!!!

No matter what we are staying with the yogurt. I will get my $39.99 out of that

machine. Its really nice. My gut is fighting back. Can't find activated charcoal

and the pharmacy guy looked at me like a terrorist buying amonia or plutonium!!!

I'm just a mom with a special kid for goodness sakes. After we get tests back

from Great Smokey Labs on the BM samples will probably start enzymes. At least

no-phenol.

I need some direction. I feel lost. I feel torn. I have a good doc but I don't

want him on drugs if there is something than can help regulate mood, sleep and

appetite if 5htp can really do that! I read somewhere about nightmares, is that

true of 5htp? I am also considering for me. I have depressive periods and tired

of ssri's not really working or making me feel uncomfortable.

Sorry so long.

April (mom to Matt 7yo ASD, GI etc., plus 3yo NT trying SCD but my

husband is being weird about it!)

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Well

We are starting the 5htp today. The stool analysis will be sent in on monday

so in a couple of weeks we will know if yeast/bacteria is an issue. I think it

is. I also think enzymes would be helpful. I really don't know which way I am

going. My house is mostly SCD. We finished our first week. The kids were

crawling the walls for food they shouldn't be eating. I'm feeling weak and I

think at least my son and myself are having die off. I can tell 100% compliance

is going to be a big issue. My son's doc is wanting us to do strictly 100%

GF/CF and then the SCD board is like if you do SCD 100% mostly your issues may

subside, here everyone/most everyone is saying GF/CF/SF and enzymes together. I

am so confused. I am on these boards to get info to do the best I can. We

decided to stop the paxil only tried one or two days and I had nightmares about

him being suicidal or bad things happening. I've heard too many say that their

DAN! docs are saying SSRI's are a last

resort.

Can someone give some advice on any of this or how to really make some sense

out of the interventions. I feel like doing to 5htp, try to keep as much sugar

as possible out of the diet, keeping up the 24hour yogurt that's great and he

likes it and wait for the results of the stool analysis at our July 5th doctors

appt. What's everyone think.

april (confused in Indiana)

Matt (ASD/PDD-NOS)

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

> Can someone give some advice on any of this or how to really make

some sense out of the interventions. I feel like doing to 5htp, try

to keep as much sugar as possible out of the diet, keeping up the

24hour yogurt that's great and he likes it and wait for the results of

the stool analysis at our July 5th doctors appt. What's everyone think.

That sounds like a good plan to me. Just make one change at a time,

so you can figure out what it did, good or bad.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I was and am so scared of paxil. I wonder if many of our kids are on ssri

meds? I've been on them before. The doc suggested paxil or zoloft. I wonder

if I should try the 5htp until the July appt and then if she really wants to see

him on ssri then maybe zoloft. When there is " suicide " or " suicidal thoughts "

as a side effect what the hell is this crap doing on the market! I wish I

thought of this before I spent the $25 copay of the prescription and went out

and spent that money on 5htp which was consequently cheaper than the $25. I

don't know if I got a less strength or whatever. I'm giving 50mg and using it

myself also. I'm thinking of giving the GF/CF diet another shot. my mind is

continually spinning with everyone's opinion. Someone from one of our groups

gave me an article on amino acids/serotonin levels. That really sold me on

5htp.

I appreciate everyones posts on and off this board.

Thanks.

April.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

April,

I am reading this late, so I don't know how old your child is. My son has been

using 50 mg of 5-HTP per day and it has made a difference in him. I split the

capsule into an AM/PM dosage so he is getting 25 mg in the AM and 25 mg in the

PM. The problem I have with SSRI's is that they keep adjusting the amount and

as they increase it and it doesn't work.... then it's off to another one.

Here is information that was provided on another list that may benefit you:

http://www.biochemicals.com/

Jackie---

I was and am so scared of paxil. I wonder if many of our kids are on ssri meds?

I've been on them before. The doc suggested paxil or zoloft. I wonder if I

should try the 5htp until the July appt and then if she really wants to see him

on ssri then maybe zoloft. When there is " suicide " or " suicidal thoughts " as a

side effect what the hell is this crap doing on the market! I wish I thought of

this before I spent the $25 copay of the prescription and went out and spent

that money on 5htp which was consequently cheaper than the $25. I don't know if

I got a less strength or whatever. I'm giving 50mg and using it myself also. I'm

thinking of giving the GF/CF diet another shot. my mind is continually spinning

with everyone's opinion. Someone from one of our groups gave me an article on

amino acids/serotonin levels. That really sold me on 5htp.

I appreciate everyones posts on and off this board.

Thanks.

April.

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Jackie

Thanks for the great link! Looks like there are good products good prices at

some good quality. I will seriously consider using that brand. thanks.

april.

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We use Thorne with great success.