Re: Siobhan: Foods in the bible

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Hi Joanne,

On this 120 years, it was the amount of years before the flood came, so that

generation lived 120 years longer. Shem, after the flood lived overlapping into

the time of Abraham. It is interesting in that in Eden the animals were

vegetarians too. It could be after the flood, the kinds of animals you

mentioned, they could not digest just plants anymore either.

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> Siobhan

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> I have heard different versions of this. One is that Adam and Eve did not eat

meat. This would make sense since originally their bodies were made perfect and

death was not in the world and as i understand it this death thing applied to

the animals too. In deed in that part of the bible only eating fruit and herbs

appears to be mentioned. But later, they left the garden of Eden, Cane and Abel

have a fall out over offerings to God. Cane offers plant food and able offers

meat. Cane kills Abel over this.

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> There are many theological arguments about this, was humans eating meat at

this point, was this one of the reasons why Canes offering was regarded as more

special. I do not know, but I od know after the flood God makes it very clear

that the only world, has been totally destroyed and he talks about what meats

humans should now eat. He also mentions that the life span of humans has gone

down to 120 years, and I assume this is because there has been major changes to

the environment. There is a lot of indication around these verses that there has

been enormous changes to the environment on earth

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> Anyway, we know for certain that the Israelites ate meat, they also ate

unpaturised dairy products, vegetables fruit herbs and grains

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> Now as you know I am advocating minimizing the vegetables, fruits herbs and

grains, I even advocate eating none for a while, if you can, and want to that

is. Eating none will attain ketosis which is the desired state if you want the

protection for your brain and nervous system ketosis brings. Once in ketosis, we

can then add a small amount of plant food. There are four ways to make the plant

food digestible for us

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> 1) cooking them

> 2) fermenting them

> 3) soaking them

> 4) sprouting them

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> In ancient times, ie in bible times, but not just the Israelites all cultures

at that time prepared their carb foods in these manners to make them edible

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> Many animals can eat plant food raw, because they have 4 stomachs. In the main

animals with one stomach like ourselves ie lions, wolves bears etc, do not do

well eating much veg, they eat predominantly fat, a moderate amount of meat and

very small amounts of veg

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> In fibro our ability to digest carb food is compromised, we also have a lot of

problems with erratic blood sugars and insulin levels, ketosis helps a lot with

this. most people using ketosis find they can eat some plant food if it is

prepared in the ways described above. As our gut heals, folk often find they can

eat more and more plant food if it is prepared correctly. I can only eat 15g but

some folk seem to do OK up to about 50g

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> back to the question. Each generation since Adam has messed up the environment

of this world, our generation and our parents generation are included in this of

course. We are in the final days, and St warns us that in the final days

people will be told not eating meat is the correct way, when it clearly is not,

not for believers it is not. This again is a theological argument and I know

many will not agree with me on this, but I have to ask these people if a person

like myself cannot digest plant food should I eat it. The bible also says

drinking alcohol can be curative, which I actually also believe is true, but

should an alcoholic therefore drink it?

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> This not eating plant food is a temporary thing. I did it for 7 weeks, others

do it for a few days, some skip it and just go very low carb. regardless it is

impossible to do a ketogenic diet without cutting right down on plant food. And

although some do do it eating pasturised milk products, vegetable oils, using

sweetners, and processed foods and such, my own thoughts regaridng this is none

of these foods are mentioned in the bible

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> The foods mentioned in the bible as food are

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> Meat

> Fish

> Eggs

> Unpasturized Goats Milk

> Unpasturized Cheese

> Olive oil

> Butter

> Honey

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> Fruits

> Nuts and seeds

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> Vegetables

> Herbs

> Spices

> Fermented and correctly prepared bread

> Wine

> Sea salt

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> and possible a few other things that I have forgotten

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> Right now I can eat most of these at some level. When I am well like the other

people on bees diet the GAPs diet Weston Price diet etc, I will be able to eat

all of these

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> my children and husband eat all of these and they do not eat anything else

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> I do not know 100% why people lived much longer before the flood. There is a

non-biblical book that talks about this in some detail, it is called the book of

Enoch. The book of Enoch was in our bibel for 400 years but then it was removed.

the Ethiopian church still have that book, and if you want to know more about

this there is a lot on youtube about it. Many people do not regard this book as

scripture but I can tell you that a lot of people do, and certainly a lo0t of

Jewish people do. anyway, the long and short of it is that before the flood

humans were very advanced, able to fly in chariots into space and a whole load

of other stuff. They used drugs which made them evil and they did things that

messed up the genetics of all the animals and so on. This would make a great

movie!!!!! And St Preter did say in the final days we would all be doing exactly

what they were doing before the flood. Anyway, all this could be fantasy but if

it is it aint half

> very interesting fantasy. Good job you know me isnt it

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> Anyway, back to the diet. We should only need ketosis for a short time and

some of us do not need it at all, some of us can get well on high fat, moderate

protein and low carb

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> Love Joanne

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> To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured >

> Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2012, 12:55

> Subject: Re: Gene:

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> Humans lived to a 1000 and did not meat? No way.

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> Siobhán

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> To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured >

> Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2012, 8:57

> Subject: Gene:

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> Gene

> This is a complicated subject because many people do find temporary relief

from a vegan diet. It is hard for me to answer why this is, but it seems most

vegans do not eat any processed foods and some also are eating a good quantity

of eggs and dairy, so this could answer part of the question, as to why vegans

do sometimes find relief from fibro and other autoimmune disorders, but I have

to also tell you that the vast majority of people that come to this site and

tell us they have fibro are either vegetarians, vegans or low fat eaters. We

tell them that eating food from plant origin that have not been fermented,

soaked or sprouted might be doing them harm and we tell them that eating a diet

that includes meat and animal fat, a lot of animal fat can help them. Some tell

us they could never do that, never, it is against their religion and their

belief system, and to that I have to say I respect your position I am not in the

business of trying to force

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> Some stay and want to know more so I tell them folk that have introduced meat

into their diet and in particular the saturated fat have got healed. This diet I

am referring to is similar to the Weston Price Diet, the GAPs diet, the Paleo

diet all of which insist that the lack of meat and animal fat in the Western

diet is behind autoimmune illnesses, and much of the research conducted so far

by these groups has been on children, who after developing autism, ADHD and

other neurological illnesses have fully recovered when they seriously depleted

the levels of grains, and other plant items that were not prepared correctly.

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> I agree with you that before the flood humans probably did not eat meat, the

bible indicates this, and people were clearly healthy eating that way because

they lived to a 1000 years old, but following the flood the environment on earth

changed and our lifespan went down to 120 years and it is from that time that

God spoke to the prophets and later the apostles about how humans need to eat

meat to be healthy. This is my current understanding of things and it is also

the understanding of the people I know that after years of being vegetarians,

vegans and low fat eaters, and having poor health, now they have found recovery

eating mainly meat and plenty of fat.

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> I know that given your job and your lifestyle it is highly unlikely you will

be willing to try this.  There have been many many vegans, and others with

similar ideas to yourself that have come here and listened to what I had to say

and were frankly appalled by what I was telling them and they would not even

think about trying this. What could I do, I know this works and I know I could

help more people if they would listen but I am also not the kind of person to

try to enforce my view on folk. I believe in religious freedom, and I believe in

religious freedom above the diet, but I do also know that the diet works.

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> Anyway, most vegans do not and cannot do this diet, but a handful have, and

like me they have found relief from their symptoms. I know this is so incredibly

hard to believe, it totally shocked me. I was not a vegan but the vast majority

of my diet was plant food, so was my dads, he has Parkinsons, and it was the

same for other members of my family who have neurological problems. I have after

long deliberation managed to get them on this high fat diet in one form or

another and they are recovering, even when they have been told their illness is

incurable. My dad is recovering from  Parkinsons, and his doctor is astounded.

My aunt has a tumor in her brain plus Reactive Arthritis, she is using a

ketogenic diet to control this. She has had the tumor 5 years and has had no

chemo or radiation therapy, she has not shown one symptoms of cancer and needs

no meds for her RA.

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> I have hundreds of friends across the Internet all being healed by these

diets, and when I say healed I mean from so called incurable illnesses. And

there are also thousands of testimonies from people that have been healed doing

the same or similar things to what we are doing here.

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> I don't know how you are going to feel about this what I have said but all I

can tell you is this is true and if I had not been sharing this over the last

few years or so many people would not know about it and  they would not also be

being healed. it is a fine line between sharing the message and trying to

enforce it, I do like to think I am sharing this not forcing it on folk. and

Like I have already mentioned I am not trying to change peoples religious

beliefs

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> Love Joanne

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> To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured >

> Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2012, 0:11

> Subject: Re: : Raw foods

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> Raw fruits and veggies do not deteriate the bones because when you are eating

the correct ammount it supplies the body with enough calcium to support the

bones. This plan combine with a good exercise program is the right way to go. I

am a Vegan Personal Trainer and Pro Natural Bodybuilder. I am also a Christian

and humans were never supposed to eat meat remember.

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> To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured >

> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:41 PM

> Subject: Re: : Raw foods

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> Joanne

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> Can I ask you what you think about this article, like you I have raw dairy and

raw eggs, but wondering about the value of raw meat ?

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> http://sowersparable.blogspot.com/2006/06/vonderplanitz-anaphylaxis-and.html

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> Alison

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> To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured >

> Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2012, 23:15

> Subject: : Raw foods

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> You are right to raise these points, and you are not a nag LOL. I cannot

really comment on the meat, I have not eaten much of it, I actually intend to

but because I just end up throwing it all in my crockpots often without thinking

much of it there is rarely any raw meat around here to eat

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> I know that for years I had few gut bacteria, or indeed much in my gut to help

me. My Candida was I guess doing its best, but the environment was making her

manic, she was working like a lunatic trying to clear up all my mess

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> Since I have started feeding her what make her work correctly no more pain or

symptoms. I also think that now my toxic gut has been cleared up from the diet,

the detox and so on, I think I do now have other pathogens, I can certainly eat

foods that I never used to be able to eat and I know these foods require

pathogens to be digested so I must now have some that I did not used to have,

otherwise i would be more aware of my Candida and I am not getting much Candida

in the gut, only in my spine, that is is that is Candida, I still do not know

what that pathogen is but I do know it is doing a good job and it is clearing my

mess, just as they have elsewhere in my body

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> Took me a long time to appreciate that it is healthy pathogens that get us

well and I now see if they are fed right they do not go manic and they do work

correctly. I stopped using anti-fungals long ago and I have managed to nurture

my Candida into a good shape, she does come out when I eat wrong, when I allow

my emotions to run out of control and when I am zapped with toxicity, but even

when I know she is there, the pain and healing reactions in general are very

mild, very bearable

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> I do not bother with the raw meat, not that I am against it just routine

around here does not promote it, but I eat raw eggs and raw milk all the time. I

am never ill now, not only fibro gone but no other illnesses either, I know the

raw eggs and raw milk are building up my immune system and I know they are

strengthening the much needed pathogens I lost in the past using antibiotics and

other pesticide type products

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> My dog eats raw meat, about a third of the time. This is the amount

recommended by the Weston Price Foundation and others. He gets a lot of organic

meat and bones too. He too is never ill. I pay his pet insurance in case he gets

knocked down or something, but at his yearly checks the vet says he is the

healthiest and leanest King charles Spaniel he knows

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> These dogs, like us humans are prone to weight gain, heat trouble and brain

problems when they rat too much cooked meats and processed foods. My dog does

not even get fleas or worms, there is nothing in his body for them to eat

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> Most of the people I know that are eating paleo simply eat organic grass fed

meat and wild meat, the Weston Price folk that eat raw tell me they freeze their

orgnaicn grass fed meat for 2 weeks to kill the parasites and they soak their

fish in lemon juice for the same reason. I really cannot comment since I do not

eat much raw meat but I am certain without doubt that eating raw eggs and raw

milk has helped my body build up the much needed pathogens, I only hope it is

going to continue and i will soon have a full set

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> For anybody following this thread, wondering what the heck I am talking about

here is an article that explains some of this

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> The only people I know that have cured allergies, autoimmune illness and

degenerative illness without drugs are folk following the paleo diet, the GAPS

diet, the weston price diet and bees diet. All of these diet advocate eating raw

products and building an inner ecology that encourages a wide range of

pathogens, we cannot do this if we avoid all the raw foods I have mentioned

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http://www.raw-living-food-success.com/cancer-does-not-stay-in-remission-with-a-\

vegetarian-diet.html

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> Love Joanne

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> To: fibromyalgiacured

> Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2012, 22:26

> Subject: RE: Paz: Meat and other foods raw or cooked

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> >>>Raw milk, raw eggs, and raw meat all have health benefits and if they are

good quality it is better to eat them raw, or rare.

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> Agreed, but I do hope everyone would keep in mind general food safety issues,

i.e. raw pork carries a trichinosis risk, salmonella cautions re eggs and

poultry meat, etc. In purchased meats, rare steaks and roasts are safer than

rare hamburger because with large cuts, anything exposed in handling is cooked.

With hamburger, much as I prefer rare, I'll only have it that way if it's my own

beef from the butcher I know. Commercially processed hamburger gets cooked

through for safety here.

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> P, taking off my farmer/food safety nag hat

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