Re: Gene:

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Humans lived to a 1000 and did not meat? No way.

 

Siobhán

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To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured >

Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2012, 8:57

Subject: Gene:

 

Gene

This is a complicated subject because many people do find temporary relief from

a vegan diet. It is hard for me to answer why this is, but it seems most vegans

do not eat any processed foods and some also are eating a good quantity of eggs

and dairy, so this could answer part of the question, as to why vegans do

sometimes find relief from fibro and other autoimmune disorders, but I have to

also tell you that the vast majority of people that come to this site and tell

us they have fibro are either vegetarians, vegans or low fat eaters. We tell

them that eating food from plant origin that have not been fermented, soaked or

sprouted might be doing them harm and we tell them that eating a diet that

includes meat and animal fat, a lot of animal fat can help them. Some tell us

they could never do that, never, it is against their religion and their belief

system, and to that I have to say I respect your position I am not in the

business of trying to force this

down peoples necks.

Some stay and want to know more so I tell them folk that have introduced meat

into their diet and in particular the saturated fat have got healed. This diet I

am referring to is similar to the Weston Price Diet, the GAPs diet, the Paleo

diet all of which insist that the lack of meat and animal fat in the Western

diet is behind autoimmune illnesses, and much of the research conducted so far

by these groups has been on children, who after developing autism, ADHD and

other neurological illnesses have fully recovered when they seriously depleted

the levels of grains, and other plant items that were not prepared correctly.

I agree with you that before the flood humans probably did not eat meat, the

bible indicates this, and people were clearly healthy eating that way because

they lived to a 1000 years old, but following the flood the environment on earth

changed and our lifespan went down to 120 years and it is from that time that

God spoke to the prophets and later the apostles about how humans need to eat

meat to be healthy. This is my current understanding of things and it is also

the understanding of the people I know that after years of being vegetarians,

vegans and low fat eaters, and having poor health, now they have found recovery

eating mainly meat and plenty of fat.

I know that given your job and your lifestyle it is highly unlikely you will be

willing to try this.  There have been many many vegans, and others with similar

ideas to yourself that have come here and listened to what I had to say and were

frankly appalled by what I was telling them and they would not even think about

trying this. What could I do, I know this works and I know I could help more

people if they would listen but I am also not the kind of person to try to

enforce my view on folk. I believe in religious freedom, and I believe in

religious freedom above the diet, but I do also know that the diet works.

Anyway, most vegans do not and cannot do this diet, but a handful have, and like

me they have found relief from their symptoms. I know this is so incredibly hard

to believe, it totally shocked me. I was not a vegan but the vast majority of my

diet was plant food, so was my dads, he has Parkinsons, and it was the same for

other members of my family who have neurological problems. I have after long

deliberation managed to get them on this high fat diet in one form or another

and they are recovering, even when they have been told their illness is

incurable. My dad is recovering from  Parkinsons, and his doctor is astounded.

My aunt has a tumor in her brain plus Reactive Arthritis, she is using a

ketogenic diet to control this. She has had the tumor 5 years and has had no

chemo or radiation therapy, she has not shown one symptoms of cancer and needs

no meds for her RA.

I have hundreds of friends across the Internet all being healed by these diets,

and when I say healed I mean from so called incurable illnesses. And there are

also thousands of testimonies from people that have been healed doing the same

or similar things to what we are doing here.

I don't know how you are going to feel about this what I have said but all I can

tell you is this is true and if I had not been sharing this over the last few

years or so many people would not know about it and  they would not also be

being healed. it is a fine line between sharing the message and trying to

enforce it, I do like to think I am sharing this not forcing it on folk. and

Like I have already mentioned I am not trying to change peoples religious

beliefs

Love Joanne

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To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured >

Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2012, 0:11

Subject: Re: : Raw foods

 

Raw fruits and veggies do not deteriate the bones because when you are eating

the correct ammount it supplies the body with enough calcium to support the

bones. This plan combine with a good exercise program is the right way to go. I

am a Vegan Personal Trainer and Pro Natural Bodybuilder. I am also a Christian

and humans were never supposed to eat meat remember.

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To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured >

Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:41 PM

Subject: Re: : Raw foods

 

Joanne

Can I ask you what you think about this article, like you I have raw dairy and

raw eggs, but wondering about the value of raw meat ?

http://sowersparable.blogspot.com/2006/06/vonderplanitz-anaphylaxis-and.html

Alison

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To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured >

Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2012, 23:15

Subject: : Raw foods

 

You are right to raise these points, and you are not a nag LOL. I cannot really

comment on the meat, I have not eaten much of it, I actually intend to but

because I just end up throwing it all in my crockpots often without thinking

much of it there is rarely any raw meat around here to eat

I know that for years I had few gut bacteria, or indeed much in my gut to help

me. My Candida was I guess doing its best, but the environment was making her

manic, she was working like a lunatic trying to clear up all my mess

Since I have started feeding her what make her work correctly no more pain or

symptoms. I also think that now my toxic gut has been cleared up from the diet,

the detox and so on, I think I do now have other pathogens, I can certainly eat

foods that I never used to be able to eat and I know these foods require

pathogens to be digested so I must now have some that I did not used to have,

otherwise i would be more aware of my Candida and I am not getting much Candida

in the gut, only in my spine, that is is that is Candida, I still do not know

what that pathogen is but I do know it is doing a good job and it is clearing my

mess, just as they have elsewhere in my body

Took me a long time to appreciate that it is healthy pathogens that get us well

and I now see if they are fed right they do not go manic and they do work

correctly. I stopped using anti-fungals long ago and I have managed to nurture

my Candida into a good shape, she does come out when I eat wrong, when I allow

my emotions to run out of control and when I am zapped with toxicity, but even

when I know she is there, the pain and healing reactions in general are very

mild, very bearable

I do not bother with the raw meat, not that I am against it just routine around

here does not promote it, but I eat raw eggs and raw milk all the time. I am

never ill now, not only fibro gone but no other illnesses either, I know the raw

eggs and raw milk are building up my immune system and I know they are

strengthening the much needed pathogens I lost in the past using antibiotics and

other pesticide type products

My dog eats raw meat, about a third of the time. This is the amount recommended

by the Weston Price Foundation and others. He gets a lot of organic meat and

bones too. He too is never ill. I pay his pet insurance in case he gets knocked

down or something, but at his yearly checks the vet says he is the healthiest

and leanest King charles Spaniel he knows

These dogs, like us humans are prone to weight gain, heat trouble and brain

problems when they rat too much cooked meats and processed foods. My dog does

not even get fleas or worms, there is nothing in his body for them to eat

Most of the people I know that are eating paleo simply eat organic grass fed

meat and wild meat, the Weston Price folk that eat raw tell me they freeze their

orgnaicn grass fed meat for 2 weeks to kill the parasites and they soak their

fish in lemon juice for the same reason. I really cannot comment since I do not

eat much raw meat but I am certain without doubt that eating raw eggs and raw

milk has helped my body build up the much needed pathogens, I only hope it is

going to continue and i will soon have a full set

For anybody following this thread, wondering what the heck I am talking about

here is an article that explains some of this

The only people I know that have cured allergies, autoimmune illness and

degenerative illness without drugs are folk following the paleo diet, the GAPS

diet, the weston price diet and bees diet. All of these diet advocate eating raw

products and building an inner ecology that encourages a wide range of

pathogens, we cannot do this if we avoid all the raw foods I have mentioned

http://www.raw-living-food-success.com/cancer-does-not-stay-in-remission-with-a-\

vegetarian-diet.html

Love Joanne

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To: fibromyalgiacured

Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2012, 22:26

Subject: RE: Paz: Meat and other foods raw or cooked

 

>>>Raw milk, raw eggs, and raw meat all have health benefits and if they are

good quality it is better to eat them raw, or rare.

Agreed, but I do hope everyone would keep in mind general food safety issues,

i.e. raw pork carries a trichinosis risk, salmonella cautions re eggs and

poultry meat, etc. In purchased meats, rare steaks and roasts are safer than

rare hamburger because with large cuts, anything exposed in handling is cooked.

With hamburger, much as I prefer rare, I'll only have it that way if it's my own

beef from the butcher I know. Commercially processed hamburger gets cooked

through for safety here.

P, taking off my farmer/food safety nag hat