Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 In a message dated 1/31/02 4:52:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, michele_vaudin@... writes: > This is fantastic timing as I'm about to embark on a 4 week juice fast (this > weekend) in the attempt to help with my first ever liver cleanse. I was > actually thinking about this very issue yestersday as to wether to keep up > my 2 tablespoons of flax seed oil (accompanied by Coptis and Gold Coin > Grass), or to stop this during the fast. Has any of you got any ideas/past > experiences on this matter? > Michele I've been doing a lot of thinking recently about starting another juice fast. I'm very encouraged by those who have written who are currently fasting and those, like yourself, who are about to start one. I had decided that I would start one on the 1st of February (tomorrow), but it probably will include a potassium broth as well as juices. So I guess I'll call it a cleanse rather than a fast. (But that's all semantics, so what does it really matter? <grin>). Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that you're not alone in your endeavor. I know that many fasting sources say to not take supplements or medication during a fast. I wonder, though, if this is partly because many of those things are better absorbed with food. ?? As for the oil - I can't imagine how it could actually hurt anything. Of course, I'll give the typical disclaimer of " I'm not a doctor " . I guess if a person was on an extended water only fast, then maybe it could be a shock to the system to ingest the oil. ?? But it will be interesting to see if anyone out here has any additional information. That's one of the great things about forums like these where there's such a broad variety of backgrounds and experiences to utilize! Thanks for posting about your fast. I hope that you will share your progress with us. I'm very encouraged about my own endeavor now, too. This was like a sort of affirmation for me in a way. Thanks. in health, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 In a message dated 1/31/02 4:52:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, michele_vaudin@... writes: > I feel so positive about all the cleanses/flushes that I can actually put up > a > relatively informed argument to all those telling me not to be so 'stupid' > and just except the operation that I'm booked in for (for my gallbladder > removal). > Michele I'm sure I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know, but I wanted to add a note here. Sometimes it's better to not bother to even have discussions about the cleansing with certain people. Anybody who would actually tell you not to be so " stupid " isn't speaking to you with standard courtesy and respect and that type of person probably would not listen to any amount of logic that you might offer. After a while I just decided to let the results stand for themselves. In other words...in the end of October I was told that I needed to have my gallbladder removed and should schedule the surgery in the very near future. That was 3 months ago and I haven't had surgery and I'm fine. Every now and then someone at work will ask (I was there when I had one of the biggest gallbladder attacks that sent me to the doctor, who told me I needed surgery.) I just smile and tell them that I feel great. All they really know is that I've chosen alternative methods for dealing with it. I didn't give them any specifics. My family knows - and in fact my step-dad has tried the cleanse and had good results. I guess I just don't want you to get discouraged by the nay-sayers out there. Sometimes people are just afraid of something different. And many times people actually DO have your best interest at heart, but they are basing their comments on their limited knowledge. Hey - most people don't even know what the gallbladder is there for!! (I know I didn't until I had problems with it and had to learn about it.) Well, I'm rambling now, but I just wanted to offer a word of encouragement. If the naysayers get you down, just come back here and read about all the people who've had such great success and feel better overall as well! in health, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 In a message dated 1/31/02 7:02:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, helge.gundersen@... writes: > >Sometimes people are just afraid of something different. > > True! But a problem is that some people are not only simply afraid, > anxious, but feel *threatened* by something different, and can react > accordingly (aggressively). This is not only in health issues, but in > many kinds of issues, including arts. > Yes - so true. And often their aggressive response is intimidating to people who would otherwise have been willing to try something different. I guess that's why I choose carefully who I discuss this stuff with. It's just a drain on energy to try to counteract someone who is dead set on " proving " their point (about the futility/dangers of cleansing). That's one of the (many) reasons that I think forums like this are so important. This isn't a closed-minded group - not by a longshot. So many different perspectives and possibilities are discussed out here and I think that's so very healthy and productive. It's good to have this group to come to with ideas and questions and speculations and theories and to know that they will be considered with respect by the others in the group and offered honest feedback. in health, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 Hi everyone, This is fantastic timing as I'm about to embark on a 4 week juice fast (this weekend) in the attempt to help with my first ever liver cleanse. I was actually thinking about this very issue yestersday as to wether to keep up my 2 tablespoons of flax seed oil (accompanied by Coptis and Gold Coin Grass), or to stop this during the fast. Has any of you got any ideas/past experiences on this matter? Just wanted to say a massive thankyou for all the information and inspiration given in this forum - cannot believe how much information I've managed to gather with the thanks to you all sharing your experiences. I feel so positive about all the cleanses/flushes that I can actually put up a relatively informed argument to all those telling me not to be so 'stupid' and just except the operation that I'm booked in for (for my gallbladder removal). Hopeful, Michele -----Original Message----- From: Rachd1961@... [mailto:Rachd1961@...] Sent: Thursday, 31 Jan 2002 3:18 am gallstones Subject: fasting and flushing In a message dated 1/30/02 10:10:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, samgir@... writes: > , I'm on an extended juice fast and would like to do a gb cleanse. > Would a load of olive oil be a shock to a digestive system that has > essentially shut down due to fasting? Which cleans procedure did you > employ? > Sam I was more than a month into a juice fast when I did the liver/gallbladder cleanse. The digestive system isn't as shut down in a juice fast as it would be in a water fast. In other words, it has still had some work to do, albeit a limited amount, to process the juices you've been drinking. As for whether it would be a shock - all I can do is share my own experience. I did the cleanse about halfway through my juice fast and didn't have any adverse reaction to it. >From what I've read about the need for the " good " fat, I'm almost inclined to incorporate olive oil or flax seed oil when I do my next juice fast. Or to satisfy some who are fussy about terminology I guess it would be more accurate to call it a juicing regimen. Just something I'm thinking about. I do know that when I do my next extended fast (and I haven't done one in about two years), I do intend to continue with the gallbladder cleanse every two weeks. How long have you been on the juice fast? Would you care to share anything about it??? in health, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 >Sometimes people are just afraid of something different. True! But a problem is that some people are not only simply afraid, anxious, but feel *threatened* by something different, and can react accordingly (aggressively). This is not only in health issues, but in many kinds of issues, including arts. -- Helge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 Thankyou so much for all the advise and encouraging words! I hope your juice fasting goes well and I will definately keep in touch and let everyone know how my first flushing and cleansing goes! Can't believe I'm actually excited now and just want to put it all into action! Thanks to all Michele -----Original Message----- From: Rachd1961@... [mailto:Rachd1961@...] Sent: Thursday, 31 Jan 2002 11:20 am gallstones Subject: Re: fasting and flushing In a message dated 1/31/02 4:52:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, michele_vaudin@... writes: > I feel so positive about all the cleanses/flushes that I can actually put up > a > relatively informed argument to all those telling me not to be so 'stupid' > and just except the operation that I'm booked in for (for my gallbladder > removal). > Michele I'm sure I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know, but I wanted to add a note here. Sometimes it's better to not bother to even have discussions about the cleansing with certain people. Anybody who would actually tell you not to be so " stupid " isn't speaking to you with standard courtesy and respect and that type of person probably would not listen to any amount of logic that you might offer. After a while I just decided to let the results stand for themselves. In other words...in the end of October I was told that I needed to have my gallbladder removed and should schedule the surgery in the very near future. That was 3 months ago and I haven't had surgery and I'm fine. Every now and then someone at work will ask (I was there when I had one of the biggest gallbladder attacks that sent me to the doctor, who told me I needed surgery.) I just smile and tell them that I feel great. All they really know is that I've chosen alternative methods for dealing with it. I didn't give them any specifics. My family knows - and in fact my step-dad has tried the cleanse and had good results. I guess I just don't want you to get discouraged by the nay-sayers out there. Sometimes people are just afraid of something different. And many times people actually DO have your best interest at heart, but they are basing their comments on their limited knowledge. Hey - most people don't even know what the gallbladder is there for!! (I know I didn't until I had problems with it and had to learn about it.) Well, I'm rambling now, but I just wanted to offer a word of encouragement. If the naysayers get you down, just come back here and read about all the people who've had such great success and feel better overall as well! in health, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 Thanks for sharing your thoughts re: gb cleanse during extended fast. To answer your query about my fast, I'm almost 1 month into a two month juice and clear veggie broth fast. My sense is that I need to clean the liver/gall bladder as well. It's interesting that you mentioned oil consumption during the fast, I've already come to the conclusion that I needed some oil to lubricate the innards and to alleviate the dryness of skin that one experiences during the winter months. I didn't feel the same way last summer when I did a 1 month fast, likely due to the drying effect of cooler weather. Did you do the Hulda cleanse? Sam > , I'm on an extended juice fast and would like to do a gb cleanse. > Would a load of olive oil be a shock to a digestive system that has > essentially shut down due to fasting? Which cleans procedure did you > employ? > Sam I was more than a month into a juice fast when I did the liver/gallbladder cleanse. The digestive system isn't as shut down in a juice fast as it would be in a water fast. In other words, it has still had some work to do, albeit a limited amount, to process the juices you've been drinking. As for whether it would be a shock - all I can do is share my own experience. I did the cleanse about halfway through my juice fast and didn't have any adverse reaction to it. From what I've read about the need for the " good " fat, I'm almost inclined to incorporate olive oil or flax seed oil when I do my next juice fast. Or to satisfy some who are fussy about terminology I guess it would be more accurate to call it a juicing regimen. Just something I'm thinking about. I do know that when I do my next extended fast (and I haven't done one in about two years), I do intend to continue with the gallbladder cleanse every two weeks. How long have you been on the juice fast? Would you care to share anything about it??? in health, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2002 Report Share Posted February 2, 2002 Hi Sam Congratulations on your success so far! Have you made a decision about whether to include oil in what you're doing? I have done the cleanse, yes, but now I do the cleanse at www.relfe.com, for the most part, except that I don't use anything to induce sleep and I don't drink the oil and juice separately. Last night I increased the amount and used a pint of oil and a pint of grapefruit/lemon juice. Today I can literally feel the oil in my skin - so weird! What inspired you to do this juice/broth fast?? in health, samgir@... writes: > To answer your query about my fast, I'm almost 1 month into a two month > juice and clear veggie broth fast. My sense is that I need to clean the > liver/gall bladder as well. It's interesting that you mentioned oil > consumption during the fast, I've already come to the conclusion that I > needed some oil to lubricate the innards and to alleviate the dryness of > skin that one experiences during the winter months. I didn't feel the same > way last summer when I did a 1 month fast, likely due to the drying effect > of cooler weather. > > Did you do the Hulda cleanse? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2002 Report Share Posted February 2, 2002 In a message dated 2/2/02 18:48:47 GMT Standard Time, Rachd1961@... writes: I cannot take the olive oil separately either, although I have not started my cleanse yet, I am awaiting a colon cleanse supplement to arrive and will do that first, I have started eating a grapefruit a day and taking a couple of tablespoons of the grapefruit juice and mixing it with olive oil - at least I will be ready for the cleanse when the time comes. nne > for the most part, except that I don't use anything to induce > sleep and I don't drink the oil and juice separately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2002 Report Share Posted February 3, 2002 Hi Sam Good reasons for juicing/brothing/fasting, of course. I'm curious as to what gave you the idea, maybe that's a more accurate way to phrase my question. Was it something you read, or just a personal gut feeling of what to do? thanks, samgir@... writes: > Hi , > I'm just trying to get and stay healthy. > Sam > You asked: > What inspired you to do this juice/broth fast?? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2002 Report Share Posted February 3, 2002 hi Sam Thanks for your response. I hope you didn't think I was prying as I asked the questions. I asked for two reasons. One is that it just always helps to know more about where another listmember is coming from and what the history is and the goals and those sort of things. But I also asked because I'm interested to hear whether people are responding to inner instincts about what they need to do or whether they've read things somewhere that prompted them to make a change. I think that we all do instinctively know how to heal ourselves and it's just a matter of learning how to listen to what we need. Anyway, thank you for giving the specifics. It sounds like you've made a lot of progress already and are continuing to head in a positive direction. Please do keep us posted! Thanks again for sharing, in health, samgir@... writes: > I had hypertension, enlarged prostate, climbing cholesterol, deteriorating > liver and digestive problems. I generally did not feel well and at times > felt quite ill. Just taking supplements and medications didn't solve my > problems. So I'm rebuilding and feeling better now about my prospects. The > blood pressure is in the low normal range, something I thought I would > never > see again. So this fast will take me back to my early years as to toxicity. > Mostly I will do shorter maintenance fasts from here on in. Hope this > answers your query. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2002 Report Share Posted February 3, 2002 Hi , I'm just trying to get and stay healthy. Sam You asked: What inspired you to do this juice/broth fast?? in health, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2002 Report Share Posted February 3, 2002 I had hypertension, enlarged prostate, climbing cholesterol, deteriorating liver and digestive problems. I generally did not feel well and at times felt quite ill. Just taking supplements and medications didn't solve my problems. So I'm rebuilding and feeling better now about my prospects. The blood pressure is in the low normal range, something I thought I would never see again. So this fast will take me back to my early years as to toxicity. Mostly I will do shorter maintenance fasts from here on in. Hope this answers your query. Sam -----Original Message----- From: Rachd1961@... [mailto:Rachd1961@...] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 12:47 PM gallstones Subject: Re: fasting and flushing Hi Sam Good reasons for juicing/brothing/fasting, of course. I'm curious as to what gave you the idea, maybe that's a more accurate way to phrase my question. Was it something you read, or just a personal gut feeling of what to do? thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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