Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Hey everyone, I was just curious-- how many people have or had the "tender points" that are the signpost of fibro? I definitely do-- and they are VERY painful. And if so, did they go away? Bindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Hi Bindi, I still have them after 16 years. Lynda > Hey everyone, > I was just curious-- how many people have or had the " tender points " that > are the signpost of fibro? I definitely do-- and they are VERY painful. > And if so, did they go away? > Bindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Bindi, I still have all of mine. Yes they are very painful. Even massage hurts me.If I just barely bump into something I am in agony. Terri P > > Hey everyone, > I was just curious-- how many people have or had the " tender points " that are the signpost of fibro? I definitely do-- and they are VERY painful. And if so, did they go away? > Bindi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 I did years ago, that is how I was diagnosed. They are now gone. Kenda > Hey everyone, > I was just curious-- how many people have or had the " tender points " that are > the signpost of fibro? I definitely do-- and they are VERY painful. And if so, > did they go away? > Bindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Anyone suffering from FM should read up on it . . . There are some excellent books A sleep disorder goes hand in glove with it . . . It would be difficult to tell which was causing which. The neurologist who dx's my FM gave me a number of tips . . all of which I knew helped with the pain, but never considered to be put together as a program. This doctor's wife and daughter both had FM, so he understood the struggle one faces. There was a support group of his patients in the DFW area . . . I don't know if it's still active. There's a support group where I live, but I haven't checked it out. The doctor told me to avoid groups where they focus on their problems rather than on getting better. He did give me a prescripton for a sleep aid that I've taken for probably nine years now, with only occasional breaks. . . To my knowledge, I haven't experienced any side effects from the medicaion - Temazapam. I take only 15 mg. per night. Finding the right balance of exercise is essential . . too much means pain . . . not enough means more pain. . It's tempting to rest when one hurts - but if you do, your tissues will get tighter and you will hurt more . . . Regardless of how you hurt, you must keep moving. Deep tissue massage therapy is one of the best means of controlling FM . . . With FM, the tissue that covers the muscle tightens, pulling on joints, creating both muscle and joint pain. A good therapist will keep this tissue stretched. . . Unless there is some reason why I can't do it, I get deep tissue massage every two weeks. My massage therapist tells me that my tissues no longer feel like those of someone with FM . . . but if I don't follow my "program", they begin tightening again. Dr. Mansmann, www.magnesiumresearchlab.com found that magnesium deficiency plays a big role in FM. Diet is also important . . . For me, junk food will soon lead to pain. Stress can also cause FM to flare. Anger too! Seriously . . . it takes ongoing work to manage FM. I'm not sure one every gets completey over it . . . but, in my case, as long as I follow my "program", I wouldn't know I have it. Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 I've got them-that's how I was diagnosed. Very painful ones, on a lot of different parts of my body. From what I understand about Fibro, you can have many, many tender points on your body, other than the ones that are on the diagrams of the Fibro tender points. But having at least 11 of the 18 means you have it. I had a lot more, and still do.Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: I did years ago, that is how I was diagnosed. They are now gone.Kenda> Hey everyone,> I was just curious-- how many people have or had the "tender points" that are> the signpost of fibro? I definitely do-- and they are VERY painful. And if so,> did they go away?> Bindi How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Leyna, The tender points are where the muscles with the tight tissue covering them (facia) connects to the bone. . . . The way to get rid of them is stretch, massage, sleep, heat, stress and anger management, diet, etc. . . .and to keep it up, probably for the rest of your life. Wouldn't it be nice if the manufacturer's told women about FM before they got implants? . . . FM is one of the most common problems among implanted women. Rogene Leyna <leyna1964@...> wrote: I've got them-that's how I was diagnosed. Very painful ones, on a lot of different parts of my body. From what I understand about Fibro, you can have many, many tender points on your body, other than the ones that are on the diagrams of the Fibro tender points. But having at least 11 of the 18 means you have it. I had a lot more, and still do.Kenda Skaggs <skaggscountycable> wrote: I did years ago, that is how I was diagnosed. They are now gone.Kenda> Hey everyone,> I was just curious-- how many people have or had the "tender points" that are> the signpost of fibro? I definitely do-- and they are VERY painful. And if so,> did they go away?> Bindi How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Rogene, Yes, it would be nice...but we all know that will probably never happen!Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote: Leyna, The tender points are where the muscles with the tight tissue covering them (facia) connects to the bone. . . . The way to get rid of them is stretch, massage, sleep, heat, stress and anger management, diet, etc. . . .and to keep it up, probably for the rest of your life. Wouldn't it be nice if the manufacturer's told women about FM before they got implants? . . . FM is one of the most common problems among implanted women. Rogene Leyna <leyna1964 > wrote: I've got them-that's how I was diagnosed. Very painful ones, on a lot of different parts of my body. From what I understand about Fibro, you can have many, many tender points on your body, other than the ones that are on the diagrams of the Fibro tender points. But having at least 11 of the 18 means you have it. I had a lot more, and still do.Kenda Skaggs <skaggscountycable> wrote: I did years ago, that is how I was diagnosed. They are now gone.Kenda> Hey everyone,> I was just curious-- how many people have or had the "tender points" that are> the signpost of fibro? I definitely do-- and they are VERY painful. And if so,> did they go away?> Bindi How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Hmm. It's interesting that so many of us have the classical symptoms of fibromyalgia. I think people are afraid to use that F-word. Telling someone they have fibro is like a death sentence. I have come to terms with the reality that I have all the symptoms of F and though the thought scares me (the longterm prognosis for F is not very pretty), I can't give up. I spend a lot of time doing research, so much so that my sweetheart thinks I am seriously losing my hold on reality. I wish I could kidnap Kenda's ND and keep him in my house. Anyone who can turn fibro around is a genius. Bindi Re: tender points Rogene, Yes, it would be nice...but we all know that will probably never happen!Rogene S <saxony01 > wrote: Leyna, The tender points are where the muscles with the tight tissue covering them (facia) connects to the bone. . . . The way to get rid of them is stretch, massage, sleep, heat, stress and anger management, diet, etc. . . .and to keep it up, probably for the rest of your life. Wouldn't it be nice if the manufacturer's told women about FM before they got implants? . . . FM is one of the most common problems among implanted women. Rogene Leyna <leyna1964 > wrote: I've got them-that's how I was diagnosed. Very painful ones, on a lot of different parts of my body. From what I understand about Fibro, you can have many, many tender points on your body, other than the ones that are on the diagrams of the Fibro tender points. But having at least 11 of the 18 means you have it. I had a lot more, and still do.Kenda Skaggs <skaggscountycable> wrote: I did years ago, that is how I was diagnosed. They are now gone.Kenda> Hey everyone,> I was just curious-- how many people have or had the "tender points" that are> the signpost of fibro? I definitely do-- and they are VERY painful. And if so,> did they go away?> Bindi How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Not sure if I've mentioned it here or not, but I've been eating 1-2 raw organic garlic cloves every morning and night, and my Fibro is a LOT better! If I wake up hurting, and eat the garlic, the pain is gone in less than an hour!freebindi <bindi@...> wrote: Hmm. It's interesting that so many of us have the classical symptoms of fibromyalgia. I think people are afraid to use that F-word. Telling someone they have fibro is like a death sentence. I have come to terms with the reality that I have all the symptoms of F and though the thought scares me (the longterm prognosis for F is not very pretty), I can't give up. I spend a lot of time doing research, so much so that my sweetheart thinks I am seriously losing my hold on reality. I wish I could kidnap Kenda's ND and keep him in my house. Anyone who can turn fibro around is a genius. Bindi Re: tender points Rogene, Yes, it would be nice...but we all know that will probably never happen!Rogene S <saxony01 > wrote: Leyna, The tender points are where the muscles with the tight tissue covering them (facia) connects to the bone. . . . The way to get rid of them is stretch, massage, sleep, heat, stress and anger management, diet, etc. . . .and to keep it up, probably for the rest of your life. Wouldn't it be nice if the manufacturer's told women about FM before they got implants? . . . FM is one of the most common problems among implanted women. Rogene Leyna <leyna1964 > wrote: I've got them-that's how I was diagnosed. Very painful ones, on a lot of different parts of my body. From what I understand about Fibro, you can have many, many tender points on your body, other than the ones that are on the diagrams of the Fibro tender points. But having at least 11 of the 18 means you have it. I had a lot more, and still do.Kenda Skaggs <skaggscountycable> wrote: I did years ago, that is how I was diagnosed. They are now gone.Kenda> Hey everyone,> I was just curious-- how many people have or had the "tender points" that are> the signpost of fibro? I definitely do-- and they are VERY painful. And if so,> did they go away?> Bindi How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 OK, I'm going to eat garlic right now! Bindi Re: tender points Rogene, Yes, it would be nice...but we all know that will probably never happen!Rogene S <saxony01 > wrote: Leyna, The tender points are where the muscles with the tight tissue covering them (facia) connects to the bone. . . . The way to get rid of them is stretch, massage, sleep, heat, stress and anger management, diet, etc. . . .and to keep it up, probably for the rest of your life. Wouldn't it be nice if the manufacturer's told women about FM before they got implants? . . . FM is one of the most common problems among implanted women. Rogene Leyna <leyna1964 > wrote: I've got them-that's how I was diagnosed. Very painful ones, on a lot of different parts of my body. From what I understand about Fibro, you can have many, many tender points on your body, other than the ones that are on the diagrams of the Fibro tender points. But having at least 11 of the 18 means you have it. I had a lot more, and still do.Kenda Skaggs <skaggscountycable> wrote: I did years ago, that is how I was diagnosed. They are now gone.Kenda> Hey everyone,> I was just curious-- how many people have or had the "tender points" that are> the signpost of fibro? I definitely do-- and they are VERY painful. And if so,> did they go away?> Bindi How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 -Lenya, You just eat it raw and by itself? Terri P -- In , Leyna <leyna1964@...> wrote: > > Not sure if I've mentioned it here or not, but I've been eating 1-2 raw organic garlic cloves every morning and night, and my Fibro is a LOT better! If I wake up hurting, and eat the garlic, the pain is gone in less than an hour! > > freebindi <bindi@...> wrote: Hmm. It's interesting that so many of us have the classical symptoms of fibromyalgia. I think people are afraid to use that F-word. Telling someone they have fibro is like a death sentence. I have come to terms with the reality that I have all the symptoms of F and though the thought scares me (the longterm prognosis for F is not very pretty), I can't give up. I spend a lot of time doing research, so much so that my sweetheart thinks I am seriously losing my hold on reality. > > I wish I could kidnap Kenda's ND and keep him in my house. Anyone who can turn fibro around is a genius. > > Bindi > Re: tender points > > > Rogene, > Yes, it would be nice...but we all know that will probably never happen! > > Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote: > Leyna, > > The tender points are where the muscles with the tight tissue covering them (facia) connects to the bone. . . . > > The way to get rid of them is stretch, massage, sleep, heat, stress and anger management, diet, etc. . . .and to keep it up, probably for the rest of your life. > > Wouldn't it be nice if the manufacturer's told women about FM before they got implants? . . . FM is one of the most common problems among implanted women. > > Rogene > > > > Leyna <leyna1964@...> wrote: > I've got them-that's how I was diagnosed. Very painful ones, on a lot of different parts of my body. From what I understand about Fibro, you can have many, many tender points on your body, other than the ones that are on the diagrams of the Fibro tender points. But having at least 11 of the 18 means you have it. I had a lot more, and still do. > > Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: I did years ago, that is how I was diagnosed. They are now gone. > > Kenda > > > Hey everyone, > > I was just curious-- how many people have or had the " tender points " that are > > the signpost of fibro? I definitely do-- and they are VERY painful. And if so, > > did they go away? > > Bindi > > > > > > --------------------------------- > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Terri, Raw, yes...by itself, no! lol Nasty!! I just find whatever I have around the house to mix it with to kill the taste. Normally I wrap it in a slice of cheese, or throw it in my mouth with some chips or something like that. I've chopped it up and put it in a bowl of chili-not cooking it though-putting it in the already cooked chili or soup. I'm sure there's lots of ideas...but the thing is, it must be eaten raw, and it must be organic. I tried eating some conventional garlic from Walmart once, and the taste was horrible and it didn't help me at all! My neighbor cooks hers in a microwave for about 10 seconds...but she said that cooking it doesn't make it near as effective...so I just tough it out and eat it raw, with some cheese usually. Peake <peaketeresa@...> wrote: -Lenya,You just eat it raw and by itself?Terri P-- In , Leyna <leyna1964@...> wrote:>> Not sure if I've mentioned it here or not, but I've been eating 1-2 raw organic garlic cloves every morning and night, and my Fibro is a LOT better! If I wake up hurting, and eat the garlic, the pain is gone in less than an hour!> > freebindi <bindi@...> wrote: Hmm. It's interesting that so many of us have the classical symptoms of fibromyalgia. I think people are afraid to use that F-word. Telling someone they have fibro is like a death sentence. I have come to terms with the reality that I have all the symptoms of F and though the thought scares me (the longterm prognosis for F is not very pretty), I can't give up. I spend a lot of time doing research, so much so that my sweetheart thinks I am seriously losing my hold on reality. > > I wish I could kidnap Kenda's ND and keep him in my house. Anyone who can turn fibro around is a genius.> > Bindi> Re: tender points> > > Rogene,> Yes, it would be nice...but we all know that will probably never happen!> > Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote:> Leyna,> > The tender points are where the muscles with the tight tissue covering them (facia) connects to the bone. . . . > > The way to get rid of them is stretch, massage, sleep, heat, stress and anger management, diet, etc. . . .and to keep it up, probably for the rest of your life.> > Wouldn't it be nice if the manufacturer's told women about FM before they got implants? . . . FM is one of the most common problems among implanted women.> > Rogene> > > > Leyna <leyna1964@...> wrote:> I've got them-that's how I was diagnosed. Very painful ones, on a lot of different parts of my body. From what I understand about Fibro, you can have many, many tender points on your body, other than the ones that are on the diagrams of the Fibro tender points. But having at least 11 of the 18 means you have it. I had a lot more, and still do.> > Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: I did years ago, that is how I was diagnosed. They are now gone.> > Kenda> > > Hey everyone,> > I was just curious-- how many people have or had the "tender points" that are> > the signpost of fibro? I definitely do-- and they are VERY painful. And if so,> > did they go away?> > Bindi> > > > > > ---------------------------------> How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.> Get your email and more, right on the new .com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Your neighbor is right, cooking the garlic will kill the beneficial properties. A microwave is a huge no-no because it cooks food from the inside out. Kenda > Terri, > Raw, yes...by itself, no! lol Nasty!! I just find whatever I have around > the house to mix it with to kill the taste. Normally I wrap it in a slice of > cheese, or throw it in my mouth with some chips or something like that. I've > chopped it up and put it in a bowl of chili-not cooking it though-putting it > in the already cooked chili or soup. I'm sure there's lots of ideas...but the > thing is, it must be eaten raw, and it must be organic. I tried eating some > conventional garlic from Walmart once, and the taste was horrible and it > didn't help me at all! My neighbor cooks hers in a microwave for about 10 > seconds...but she said that cooking it doesn't make it near as effective...so > I just tough it out and eat it raw, with some cheese usually. > > Peake <peaketeresa@...> wrote: > -Lenya, > You just eat it raw and by itself? > Terri P > > -- In , Leyna <leyna1964@...> wrote: >> >> Not sure if I've mentioned it here or not, but I've been eating 1-2 > raw organic garlic cloves every morning and night, and my Fibro is a > LOT better! If I wake up hurting, and eat the garlic, the pain is > gone in less than an hour! >> >> freebindi <bindi@...> wrote: Hmm. It's interesting that > so many of us have the classical symptoms of fibromyalgia. I think > people are afraid to use that F-word. Telling someone they have fibro > is like a death sentence. I have come to terms with the reality that > I have all the symptoms of F and though the thought scares me (the > longterm prognosis for F is not very pretty), I can't give up. I > spend a lot of time doing research, so much so that my sweetheart > thinks I am seriously losing my hold on reality. >> >> I wish I could kidnap Kenda's ND and keep him in my house. Anyone > who can turn fibro around is a genius. >> >> Bindi >> Re: tender points >> >> >> Rogene, >> Yes, it would be nice...but we all know that will probably never > happen! >> >> Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote: >> Leyna, >> >> The tender points are where the muscles with the tight tissue > covering them (facia) connects to the bone. . . . >> >> The way to get rid of them is stretch, massage, sleep, heat, > stress and anger management, diet, etc. . . .and to keep it up, > probably for the rest of your life. >> >> Wouldn't it be nice if the manufacturer's told women about FM > before they got implants? . . . FM is one of the most common problems > among implanted women. >> >> Rogene >> >> >> >> Leyna <leyna1964@...> wrote: >> I've got them-that's how I was diagnosed. Very painful ones, > on a lot of different parts of my body. From what I understand about > Fibro, you can have many, many tender points on your body, other than > the ones that are on the diagrams of the Fibro tender points. But > having at least 11 of the 18 means you have it. I had a lot more, > and still do. >> >> Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: I did years ago, that is how > I was diagnosed. They are now gone. >> >> Kenda >> >>> Hey everyone, >>> I was just curious-- how many people have or had the " tender > points " that are >>> the signpost of fibro? I definitely do-- and they are VERY > painful. And if so, >>> did they go away? >>> Bindi >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone > call rates. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. > Great rates starting at 1¢/min. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone > call rates. >> > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your email and more, right on the new .com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Kenda, Yep-very true! I hate the taste of raw garlic, and my husband hates it even worse...but when I tried the garlic capsules, they did nothing at all....processed is not the way to go in that situation I guess!Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: Your neighbor is right, cooking the garlic will kill the beneficialproperties. A microwave is a huge no-no because it cooks food from theinside out.Kenda> Terri,> Raw, yes...by itself, no! lol Nasty!! I just find whatever I have around> the house to mix it with to kill the taste. Normally I wrap it in a slice of> cheese, or throw it in my mouth with some chips or something like that. I've> chopped it up and put it in a bowl of chili-not cooking it though-putting it> in the already cooked chili or soup. I'm sure there's lots of ideas...but the> thing is, it must be eaten raw, and it must be organic. I tried eating some> conventional garlic from Walmart once, and the taste was horrible and it> didn't help me at all! My neighbor cooks hers in a microwave for about 10> seconds...but she said that cooking it doesn't make it near as effective...so> I just tough it out and eat it raw, with some cheese usually.> > Peake <peaketeresa > wrote:> -Lenya,> You just eat it raw and by itself?> Terri P> > -- In , Leyna <leyna1964@...> wrote:>> >> Not sure if I've mentioned it here or not, but I've been eating 1-2> raw organic garlic cloves every morning and night, and my Fibro is a> LOT better! If I wake up hurting, and eat the garlic, the pain is> gone in less than an hour!>> >> freebindi <bindi@...> wrote: Hmm. It's interesting that> so many of us have the classical symptoms of fibromyalgia. I think> people are afraid to use that F-word. Telling someone they have fibro> is like a death sentence. I have come to terms with the reality that> I have all the symptoms of F and though the thought scares me (the> longterm prognosis for F is not very pretty), I can't give up. I> spend a lot of time doing research, so much so that my sweetheart> thinks I am seriously losing my hold on reality.>> >> I wish I could kidnap Kenda's ND and keep him in my house. Anyone> who can turn fibro around is a genius.>> >> Bindi>> Re: tender points>> >> >> Rogene,>> Yes, it would be nice...but we all know that will probably never> happen!>> >> Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote:>> Leyna,>> >> The tender points are where the muscles with the tight tissue> covering them (facia) connects to the bone. . . .>> >> The way to get rid of them is stretch, massage, sleep, heat,> stress and anger management, diet, etc. . . ..and to keep it up,> probably for the rest of your life.>> >> Wouldn't it be nice if the manufacturer's told women about FM> before they got implants? . . . FM is one of the most common problems> among implanted women.>> >> Rogene>> >> >> >> Leyna <leyna1964@...> wrote:>> I've got them-that's how I was diagnosed. Very painful ones,> on a lot of different parts of my body. From what I understand about> Fibro, you can have many, many tender points on your body, other than> the ones that are on the diagrams of the Fibro tender points. But> having at least 11 of the 18 means you have it. I had a lot more,> and still do.>> >> Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: I did years ago, that is how> I was diagnosed. They are now gone.>> >> Kenda>> >>> Hey everyone,>>> I was just curious-- how many people have or had the "tender> points" that are>>> the signpost of fibro? I definitely do-- and they are VERY> painful. And if so,>>> did they go away?>>> Bindi>> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------->> How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone> call rates. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------->> Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.> Great rates starting at 1¢/min.>> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------->> How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone> call rates.>> > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Get your email and more, right on the new .com __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Leyna, You can make your own fresh garlic capsules with empty gel caps you buy from a pharmacy. (get the biggest you can swallow) Just use a garlic press to crush the garlic . . .scrape the garlic from the press with a half a gel cap, reassemble the gel cap and swallow. . . . Not guarenteed to get rid of garlic breath, but it helps. . . Also eating some fresh apple after eating garlic will help get rid of the garlic taste. Even if you absolutely detest garlic, please try it . . . You'll be amazed at how quickly it helps. It's one of the best natural cures available. Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Something to keep in mind about FM . . . It's a Syndrome, not a disease. A syndrome is a collection of symptoms that have enough in common to be given a name. FM appears to have a number of origins. . . Implants are only one. There's plenty of evidence that one can overcome FM if they treat their body with what it needs . . . diet, exercise, sleep, supplements, detoxing, etc. . . Magnesium is very important! If/when you get it under control, get your doctor to put it in your records. . It could have a huge bearing on your future insurability. Hugs, Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Rogene, Yes, I've been meaning to try it that way! The empty capsules at my work are pretty expensive though, but I found some online awhile back that were a lot cheaper. I guess the only way to know the right "dosage" would be to grind up only one or two cloves at a time and stuff them in? Where do you get the garlic press?Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote: Leyna, You can make your own fresh garlic capsules with empty gel caps you buy from a pharmacy. (get the biggest you can swallow) Just use a garlic press to crush the garlic . . .scrape the garlic from the press with a half a gel cap, reassemble the gel cap and swallow. . . . Not guarenteed to get rid of garlic breath, but it helps. . . Also eating some fresh apple after eating garlic will help get rid of the garlic taste. Even if you absolutely detest garlic, please try it . . . You'll be amazed at how quickly it helps. It's one of the best natural cures available. Rogene All-new - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Rogene, Thanks for this one. I will try it. I just couldn't stand the thought of eating it raw. Without being in a big pile of pasta sause.LOL Terri P > > Leyna, > > You can make your own fresh garlic capsules with empty gel caps you buy from a pharmacy. (get the biggest you can swallow) > > Just use a garlic press to crush the garlic . . .scrape the garlic from the press with a half a gel cap, reassemble the gel cap and swallow. . . . > > Not guarenteed to get rid of garlic breath, but it helps. . . Also eating some fresh apple after eating garlic will help get rid of the garlic taste. > > Even if you absolutely detest garlic, please try it . . . You'll be amazed at how quickly it helps. It's one of the best natural cures available. > > Rogene > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 The more research I do about fibromyalgia, the more confused I get about it. I understand how it is caused by many different things, and yet the symptoms are the same. There are chemical similarities in the bodies of fibro sufferers, as well, i.e. substance P level in the brain, etc. There does seem to be a difference of opinion on whether implant-related illness is also fibro, which is supposedly not curable. I know Kenda got over hers, but it seems to me that many, many people with fibro end up "managing" their symtoms, rather than recovering from them. Of course I will not give up. After explant, I experienced a steady recovery, and by the end of the summer I was having an occasional beer, dancing, working steadily on my writing, etc. But then I suffered a setback, and now I am not so good. I am curious, though-- those of you who have been implant-free for years, did you continue to slowly improve over time, or did you kind of plateau and stay there? Bindi Re: tender points Something to keep in mind about FM . . . It's a Syndrome, not a disease. A syndrome is a collection of symptoms that have enough in common to be given a name. FM appears to have a number of origins. . . Implants are only one. There's plenty of evidence that one can overcome FM if they treat their body with what it needs . . . diet, exercise, sleep, supplements, detoxing, etc. . . Magnesium is very important! If/when you get it under control, get your doctor to put it in your records. . It could have a huge bearing on your future insurability. Hugs, Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Bindi, To be honest it has been 1 year and 2 months since explant for me, but there was that issue with the remaining capsule in there, I haven't seen any improvement at all in my fibro. I was diagnosed 10 years ago , I had my implants 20. So it was afull ten years before I got sick and then 10 years I was sick before I knew what was the cause. So I am probabaly not a good example. I just wanted to chime in because depending on how long you have had implants and how long you have been sick makes a differnce. I hope to do a full detox, colon hydotherapy,footbaths for metals, diet and excercise as soon as I heal I am scheduled for massage through chiro, scheduled for my colonic and footbath in early November. So I hope it will help Terri P > > The more research I do about fibromyalgia, the more confused I get about it. I understand how it is caused by many different things, and yet the symptoms are the same. There are chemical similarities in the bodies of fibro sufferers, as well, i.e. substance P level in the brain, etc. There does seem to be a difference of opinion on whether implant-related illness is also fibro, which is supposedly not curable. I know Kenda got over hers, but it seems to me that many, many people with fibro end up " managing " their symtoms, rather than recovering from them. > > Of course I will not give up. After explant, I experienced a steady recovery, and by the end of the summer I was having an occasional beer, dancing, working steadily on my writing, etc. But then I suffered a setback, and now I am not so good. I am curious, though-- those of you who have been implant-free for years, did you continue to slowly improve over time, or did you kind of plateau and stay there? > > Bindi > > Re: tender points > > > > Something to keep in mind about FM . . . It's a Syndrome, not a disease. A syndrome is a collection of symptoms that have enough in common to be given a name. > > FM appears to have a number of origins. . . Implants are only one. > > There's plenty of evidence that one can overcome FM if they treat their body with what it needs . . . diet, exercise, sleep, supplements, detoxing, etc. . . Magnesium is very important! > > If/when you get it under control, get your doctor to put it in your records. . It could have a huge bearing on your future insurability. > > Hugs, > > Rogene > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Yup, raw garlic is great for health. I eat it raw by itself, or with cheese, hummus, chicken (my favorite way) pasta, bread, soups, and many ways. You can get creative! I love raw garlic bite by bite with chicken. The flavors marry so well. I heat up chicken broth (organic) and then crush some raw garlic into it and sip like hot soup. I stick cut up garlic cloves into kalamata or green olives that have been pitted. Garlic goes well with pita bread dipped in hummus. You can make an olive oil dip with crushed garlic and italian seasoning and dip your bread into it, like they do in Italian restaurants. I also just chop garlic cloves into bite sized pieces and take them like pills. If you are in a hurry, you can get down alot of garlic this way. These are just a few of my ideas. I'm sure there are lots of ways to eat raw garlic. Patty Re: tender points> > > Rogene,> Yes, it would be nice...but we all know that will probably never happen!> > Rogene S <saxony01@.. .> wrote:> Leyna,> > The tender points are where the muscles with the tight tissue covering them (facia) connects to the bone. . . . > > The way to get rid of them is stretch, massage, sleep, heat, stress and anger management, diet, etc. . . .and to keep it up, probably for the rest of your life.> > Wouldn't it be nice if the manufacturer' s told women about FM before they got implants? . . . FM is one of the most common problems among implanted women.> > Rogene> > > > Leyna <leyna1964@. ..> wrote:> I've got them-that's how I was diagnosed. Very painful ones, on a lot of different parts of my body. From what I understand about Fibro, you can have many, many tender points on your body, other than the ones that are on the diagrams of the Fibro tender points. But having at least 11 of the 18 means you have it. I had a lot more, and still do.> > Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: I did years ago, that is how I was diagnosed. They are now gone.> > Kenda> > > Hey everyone,> > I was just curious-- how many people have or had the "tender points" that are> > the signpost of fibro? I definitely do-- and they are VERY painful. And if so,> > did they go away?> > Bindi> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Bindi, I experienced some healing to a point, and then I plateau'd. I decided I needed to give myself a jump-start, so I did some fasting, and was amazed at the results. It wasn't until after I did a series of fasts that I started to see improvement again, and it has been steady improvement all along. I think we really need to help force our bodies into giving up toxins. If you check out some of the stories on the curezone site, you will be amazed at what some of those people are accomplishing by doing some deep detoxing therapies (like the liver flushes. I am always amazed at those. I've done 3 of them myself.) Patty Re: tender points Something to keep in mind about FM . . . It's a Syndrome, not a disease. A syndrome is a collection of symptoms that have enough in common to be given a name. FM appears to have a number of origins. . . Implants are only one. There's plenty of evidence that one can overcome FM if they treat their body with what it needs . . . diet, exercise, sleep, supplements, detoxing, etc. . . Magnesium is very important! If/when you get it under control, get your doctor to put it in your records. . It could have a huge bearing on your future insurability. Hugs, Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Patty, Great ideas on the garlic! Thanks for posting!Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...> wrote: Yup, raw garlic is great for health. I eat it raw by itself, or with cheese, hummus, chicken (my favorite way) pasta, bread, soups, and many ways. You can get creative! I love raw garlic bite by bite with chicken. The flavors marry so well. I heat up chicken broth (organic) and then crush some raw garlic into it and sip like hot soup. I stick cut up garlic cloves into kalamata or green olives that have been pitted. Garlic goes well with pita bread dipped in hummus. You can make an olive oil dip with crushed garlic and italian seasoning and dip your bread into it, like they do in Italian restaurants. I also just chop garlic cloves into bite sized pieces and take them like pills. If you are in a hurry, you can get down alot of garlic this way. These are just a few of my ideas. I'm sure there are lots of ways to eat raw garlic. Patty Re: tender points> > > Rogene,> Yes, it would be nice...but we all know that will probably never happen!> > Rogene S <saxony01@.. .> wrote:> Leyna,> > The tender points are where the muscles with the tight tissue covering them (facia) connects to the bone. . . . > > The way to get rid of them is stretch, massage, sleep, heat, stress and anger management, diet, etc. . . .and to keep it up, probably for the rest of your life.> > Wouldn't it be nice if the manufacturer' s told women about FM before they got implants? . . . FM is one of the most common problems among implanted women.> > Rogene> > > > Leyna <leyna1964@. ..> wrote:> I've got them-that's how I was diagnosed. Very painful ones, on a lot of different parts of my body. From what I understand about Fibro, you can have many, many tender points on your body, other than the ones that are on the diagrams of the Fibro tender points. But having at least 11 of the 18 means you have it. I had a lot more, and still do.> > Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: I did years ago, that is how I was diagnosed. They are now gone.> > Kenda> > > Hey everyone,> > I was just curious-- how many people have or had the "tender points" that are> > the signpost of fibro? I definitely do-- and they are VERY painful. And if so,> > did they go away?> > Bindi> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.> __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Leyna, Have you tried garlic with a piece of apple? The apple kind of cools the taste a bit. I use either apple or cheese. Kenda > Kenda, > Yep-very true! I hate the taste of raw garlic, and my husband hates it even > worse...but when I tried the garlic capsules, they did nothing at > all....processed is not the way to go in that situation I guess! > > Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: > Your neighbor is right, cooking the garlic will kill the beneficial > properties. A microwave is a huge no-no because it cooks food from the > inside out. > > Kenda > >> Terri, >> Raw, yes...by itself, no! lol Nasty!! I just find whatever I have around >> the house to mix it with to kill the taste. Normally I wrap it in a slice of >> cheese, or throw it in my mouth with some chips or something like that. I've >> chopped it up and put it in a bowl of chili-not cooking it though-putting it >> in the already cooked chili or soup. I'm sure there's lots of ideas...but the >> thing is, it must be eaten raw, and it must be organic. I tried eating some >> conventional garlic from Walmart once, and the taste was horrible and it >> didn't help me at all! My neighbor cooks hers in a microwave for about 10 >> seconds...but she said that cooking it doesn't make it near as effective...so >> I just tough it out and eat it raw, with some cheese usually. >> >> Peake <peaketeresa@...> wrote: >> -Lenya, >> You just eat it raw and by itself? >> Terri P >> >> -- In , Leyna <leyna1964@...> wrote: >>> >>> Not sure if I've mentioned it here or not, but I've been eating 1-2 >> raw organic garlic cloves every morning and night, and my Fibro is a >> LOT better! If I wake up hurting, and eat the garlic, the pain is >> gone in less than an hour! >>> >>> freebindi <bindi@...> wrote: Hmm. It's interesting that >> so many of us have the classical symptoms of fibromyalgia. I think >> people are afraid to use that F-word. Telling someone they have fibro >> is like a death sentence. I have come to terms with the reality that >> I have all the symptoms of F and though the thought scares me (the >> longterm prognosis for F is not very pretty), I can't give up. I >> spend a lot of time doing research, so much so that my sweetheart >> thinks I am seriously losing my hold on reality. >>> >>> I wish I could kidnap Kenda's ND and keep him in my house. Anyone >> who can turn fibro around is a genius. >>> >>> Bindi >>> Re: tender points >>> >>> >>> Rogene, >>> Yes, it would be nice...but we all know that will probably never >> happen! >>> >>> Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote: >>> Leyna, >>> >>> The tender points are where the muscles with the tight tissue >> covering them (facia) connects to the bone. . . . >>> >>> The way to get rid of them is stretch, massage, sleep, heat, >> stress and anger management, diet, etc. . . .and to keep it up, >> probably for the rest of your life. >>> >>> Wouldn't it be nice if the manufacturer's told women about FM >> before they got implants? . . . FM is one of the most common problems >> among implanted women. >>> >>> Rogene >>> >>> >>> >>> Leyna <leyna1964@...> wrote: >>> I've got them-that's how I was diagnosed. Very painful ones, >> on a lot of different parts of my body. From what I understand about >> Fibro, you can have many, many tender points on your body, other than >> the ones that are on the diagrams of the Fibro tender points. But >> having at least 11 of the 18 means you have it. I had a lot more, >> and still do. >>> >>> Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: I did years ago, that is how >> I was diagnosed. They are now gone. >>> >>> Kenda >>> >>>> Hey everyone, >>>> I was just curious-- how many people have or had the " tender >> points " that are >>>> the signpost of fibro? I definitely do-- and they are VERY >> painful. And if so, >>>> did they go away? >>>> Bindi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone >> call rates. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. >> Great rates starting at 1¢/min. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone >> call rates. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Get your email and more, right on the new .com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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