tender points

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Hi Bindi,

I think the reason most people don't beat their fibro is that they don't

have the perseverance to continue detoxing and eat clean long enough to beat

it. It took me a year of doing both before I felt a lot better and longer

than that to feel well. I didn't feel like I was totally cured for probably

three years.

Kenda

> The more research I do about fibromyalgia, the more confused I get about it. I

> understand how it is caused by many different things, and yet the symptoms are

> the same. There are chemical similarities in the bodies of fibro sufferers, as

> well, i.e. substance P level in the brain, etc. There does seem to be a

> difference of opinion on whether implant-related illness is also fibro, which

> is supposedly not curable. I know Kenda got over hers, but it seems to me that

> many, many people with fibro end up " managing " their symtoms, rather than

> recovering from them.

>

> Of course I will not give up. After explant, I experienced a steady recovery,

> and by the end of the summer I was having an occasional beer, dancing, working

> steadily on my writing, etc. But then I suffered a setback, and now I am not

> so good. I am curious, though-- those of you who have been implant-free for

> years, did you continue to slowly improve over time, or did you kind of

> plateau and stay there?

>

> Bindi

>

> Re: tender points

>

>

>

> Something to keep in mind about FM . . . It's a Syndrome, not a disease. A

> syndrome is a collection of symptoms that have enough in common to be given a

> name.

>

> FM appears to have a number of origins. . . Implants are only one.

>

> There's plenty of evidence that one can overcome FM if they treat their body

> with what it needs . . . diet, exercise, sleep, supplements, detoxing, etc. .

> . Magnesium is very important!

>

> If/when you get it under control, get your doctor to put it in your records.

> . It could have a huge bearing on your future insurability.

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

>

>

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Kenda, No, I haven't tried it with apple yet-that sounds interesting! Usually I just eat it with cheese-it's easiest. I've got a tiny bit of cheese left in the fridge....forgot to buy more. Gotta come up with something else to substitute till I can get to the store. lol My veggie chips will have to do!Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: Leyna,Have you tried garlic with a piece of apple? The apple kind of cools thetaste a bit. I use either apple or

cheese.Kenda> Kenda,> Yep-very true! I hate the taste of raw garlic, and my husband hates it even> worse...but when I tried the garlic capsules, they did nothing at> all....processed is not the way to go in that situation I guess!> > Kenda Skaggs <skaggscountycable> wrote:> Your neighbor is right, cooking the garlic will kill the beneficial> properties. A microwave is a huge no-no because it cooks food from the> inside out.> > Kenda> >> Terri,>> Raw, yes...by itself, no! lol Nasty!! I just find whatever I have around>> the house to mix it with to kill the taste. Normally I wrap it in a slice of>> cheese, or throw it in my mouth with some chips or something like that. I've>> chopped it up and put it in a bowl of chili-not cooking it though-putting it>> in the

already cooked chili or soup. I'm sure there's lots of ideas...but the>> thing is, it must be eaten raw, and it must be organic. I tried eating some>> conventional garlic from Walmart once, and the taste was horrible and it>> didn't help me at all! My neighbor cooks hers in a microwave for about 10>> seconds...but she said that cooking it doesn't make it near as effective...so>> I just tough it out and eat it raw, with some cheese usually.>> >> Peake <peaketeresa > wrote:>> -Lenya,>> You just eat it raw and by itself?>> Terri P>> >> -- In , Leyna <leyna1964@...> wrote:>>> >>> Not sure if I've mentioned it here or not, but I've been eating

1-2>> raw organic garlic cloves every morning and night, and my Fibro is a>> LOT better! If I wake up hurting, and eat the garlic, the pain is>> gone in less than an hour!>>> >>> freebindi <bindi@...> wrote: Hmm. It's interesting that>> so many of us have the classical symptoms of fibromyalgia. I think>> people are afraid to use that F-word. Telling someone they have fibro>> is like a death sentence. I have come to terms with the reality that>> I have all the symptoms of F and though the thought scares me (the>> longterm prognosis for F is not very pretty), I can't give up. I>> spend a lot of time doing research, so much so that my sweetheart>> thinks I am seriously losing my hold on reality.>>> >>> I wish I could kidnap Kenda's ND and keep him in my house. Anyone>> who can turn fibro around is a

genius.>>> >>> Bindi>>> Re: tender points>>> >>> >>> Rogene,>>> Yes, it would be nice...but we all know that will probably never>> happen!>>> >>> Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote:>>> Leyna,>>> >>> The tender points are where the muscles with the tight tissue>> covering them (facia) connects to the bone. . . .>>> >>> The way to get rid of them is stretch, massage, sleep, heat,>> stress and anger management, diet, etc. . . .and to keep it up,>> probably for the rest of your

life.>>> >>> Wouldn't it be nice if the manufacturer's told women about FM>> before they got implants? . . . FM is one of the most common problems>> among implanted women.>>> >>> Rogene>>> >>> >>> >>> Leyna <leyna1964@...> wrote:>>> I've got them-that's how I was diagnosed. Very painful ones,>> on a lot of different parts of my body. From what I understand about>> Fibro, you can have many, many tender points on your body, other than>> the ones that are on the diagrams of the Fibro tender points. But>> having at least 11 of the 18 means you have it. I had a lot more,>> and still do.>>> >>> Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: I did years ago, that is how>> I was diagnosed. They are now gone.>>> >>>

Kenda>>> >>>> Hey everyone,>>>> I was just curious-- how many people have or had the "tender>> points" that are>>>> the signpost of fibro? I definitely do-- and they are VERY>> painful. And if so,>>>> did they go away?>>>> Bindi>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------->>> How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone>> call rates. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------->>> Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.>> Great rates starting at 1¢/min.>>> >>>

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If you want to improve the "relationship" . . . you can serve him foods with a bit of garlic . . . He shouldn't notice yours then. Rogene Leyna <leyna1964@...> wrote: Ok, thank you! My husband and I don't exactly have a wonderful relationship, so I'm just going to stick with the eating the garlic raw for now. LOLRogene S <saxony01 > wrote: Hi Leyna, I've been traveling and just got to your message . . . I find it hard to judge how much garlic to use because the clove sizes are so different . .. . . you'll have to judge for yourself how much. You can get a garlic press in any kitchen gadget department. . . kinda like sissors, but with a box thing to put the garlic in. I've bought gel caps at pharmacy's for very little . . . then, some want quite a bit for them. . . Call around and see what you can find. Online is probably the cheapest way to go though. Hugs, Rogene Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out.