Re: Re: which side?....?

February 6, 2002

Barry, I can't remember which flush the stone on the bottom of the bowl

was. I am thinking around the5th or 6th.

The first ultrasound report only said " several moderately large calcified

stones " . The tech that I got to look at it couldn't tell how many either.

Apparently they were all together. But she did tell me the second

ultrasound had three stones in separate places and she was able to tell me

the size of each. 1.0, 1.0 and 1.3. I did tell her about the flush and

that I thought I passed one out. Now another time that I passed two large

stones that floated, I measured and I thought this could have been one I had

passed out of the gallbladder. It was about an inch across and she said it

appeared that one of the ones from the first ultrasound was about that same

size. At the time that I saw the thing on the bottom of the bowl, it was

before all the talk of floating and non floating so I didn't pay much

attention, I just thought it was stool. I realized later that it must have

been a stone. That is why I can't really remember when it was.

Also, on all my flushes except the first, I laid on my back. The first one

I laid on my right side.

laura

----- Original Message -----

From: " barry91162 " <barry91162@...>

Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 6:09 PM

Subject: Re: which side?....?

> ,

>

> Very interesting. Could you clarify some more please? On

> which 'later' flush was it? 10, 15?

> Also, ultrasound. How many did you see on the first scan and the last

> one? Do you know the size(s) and number of stones that could be seen

> approximately?

>

> Thanks,

> Barry.

>

> > I think I may have passed a calcified stone on a later flush. I had

> the

> > ultrasound tech compare my two ultrasounds and she said that it was

> hard to

> > tell but it looked as if I may have moved one out. Then I

> remembered in one

> > flush I saw something on the bottom of the bowl that I thought

> must've been

> > stool. I think I had done a Hulda flush. laura

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: <Rachd1961@a...>

> > <gallstones@y...>

> > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:55 PM

> > Subject: Re: Re: which side?..Dale..??

> >

> > > Da_@e... writes:

> > > > I don't know for sure but from all my digging all I got was

> cholesterol

> > > > stones. I never had anything that was heavy enough to drop to

> the bottom

> > of

> > > > the bowel

> > >

> > > Maybe the calcium ones are more prone to breaking down or

> dissolving and

> > > that's why we don't see them.

> > >

> > > How about the rest of the group. Have any of you, to your

> knowledge, ever

> > > eliminated a calcified stone?

> > >

> > > The reason I'm asking is that I'm just curious about the

> experience - if

> > it

> > > was any different in any way than passing the cholesterol ones.

> > >

> > > in health,

> > >

February 7, 2002

Hey Barry, I had done 15 flushes in all. I did them over a year and a half

time. The last flush I did was October of 2000. The ultrasound was done in

November 2001 that showed the three stones still there. It really got me

down and I decided not to do anymore until I was mentally ready. I haven't

had any trouble since. Course I never had an actual attack that I know of.

I only had some dull pain in that area. It was probably from the stones but

never proven. And that was one reason I didn't have surgery. The surgeon

goes ' your gallbladder probably isn't functioning because of the size of

the stones'. If I'd have known I would have asked about a Hidascan. Last

January I went to a gastro and he said in my description of things that I

wasn't telling him anything that sounded like I was having gallbladder

problems and not to worry about having stones there. (I know what everyone's

thinking ) Since last June I have turned my diet around to exclude my

allergenic and processed foods. I am hoping this will slowly dissolve the

stones away as Dr. Cabot has said it would.

I guess a good time to reultrasound would be after you get nothing out in

your flushes.

As I've said in a previous post there is no proof as the right side being

the best. It has to be because of the area of the gallbladder that the

stone is in as to when it comes out at the moment of contraction.

Did your ultrasound say your gallbladder was otherwise normal?

Hope this helps. laura

----- Original Message -----

From: " barry91162 " <barry91162@...>

Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 7:36 PM

Subject: Re: which side?....?

> Thanks ,

>

> I'm very interested in the ultrasound 'proof' of removing calcified

> (harder to remove) stones.

>

> How many flushes have you completed?

> Have you had an ultrasound lately to see if any are still there? When

> was your last one and how many are left?

>

> I was first 'ultrasounded' with a 1cm stone floating within the gb I

> guess because it moves down and blocks the opening which causes the

> biliary colic. Then after a successful first flush getting out

> several 1cm and larger stones I was sure I had gotten out that

> problem stone. I rushed back to ultrasound only to find it still

> there.

> I've now completed 4 flushes (Dr. ) and still suspect it's there

> because I sometimes have the colic in the night. I know these are

> much harder to get out but that was the purpose for me to flush vs.

> surgery. I want to be pain-free. I was going to wait until after my

> 5th flush to check ultrasound again.

> From what I can understand by all this flushing is that while the

> softer, liver stones are easier to flush and come out in the

> hundreds, the pain producing harder, calcified gb stone is another

> monster all together. I'm wondering if it will ever come out.

> I've laid on my right side and back. Someone suggest left side

> for 'heavy' stones but I'm not sure it is that much heavier and will

> sink to the bottom of the bowl. Also, I was thinking laying on the

> back sort of 'logically' gets all stones, soft and heavy.

>

> Anyway, I will still continue this 'seemingly harder road' of gb

> stones cleansing that some of us with calcified colic stones must

> take. Surgery is my other option and the jury is still out.

>

> Thanks,

> Barry.

>

> > > > I think I may have passed a calcified stone on a later flush. I

> had

> > > the

> > > > ultrasound tech compare my two ultrasounds and she said that it

> was

> > > hard to

> > > > tell but it looked as if I may have moved one out. Then I

> > > remembered in one

> > > > flush I saw something on the bottom of the bowl that I thought

> > > must've been

> > > > stool. I think I had done a Hulda flush. laura

> > > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > > From: <Rachd1961@a...>

> > > > <gallstones@y...>

> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:55 PM

> > > > Subject: Re: Re: which side?..Dale..??

> > > >

> > > > > Da_@e... writes:

> > > > > > I don't know for sure but from all my digging all I got was

> > > cholesterol

> > > > > > stones. I never had anything that was heavy enough to drop

> to

> > > the bottom

> > > > of

> > > > > > the bowel

> > > > >

> > > > > Maybe the calcium ones are more prone to breaking down or

> > > dissolving and

> > > > > that's why we don't see them.

> > > > >

> > > > > How about the rest of the group. Have any of you, to your

> > > knowledge, ever

> > > > > eliminated a calcified stone?

> > > > >

> > > > > The reason I'm asking is that I'm just curious about the

> > > experience - if

> > > > it

> > > > > was any different in any way than passing the cholesterol

> ones.

> > > > >

> > > > > in health,

> > > > >

February 7, 2002

mcfam12@... writes:

> I am taking turmeric, which supposedly

> decreases the stones.

In what form do you take it??

February 8, 2002

Thanks barry. I may in the future do a flush. I don't know. The flushing

took a toll on both myself and my family. I am relying on the help of this

doctor I am seeing with my arthritis. He is Chiropractic among other

things. And a doctor of natural hygiene. So he really concentrates on diet

and the overall health of the patient. I asked him about flushing and he

said he wouldn't do it unless there was a problem. I feel that I need to

wait anyway until I get my arthritis under control and my health is good.

I wasn't clear after 15 flushes. I had the last ultrasound after I

completed the 15th (october) in November. That was in 2000. I was bummed

because of all the hard work put into the flushing and the stones still

being there.

I probably should take some lecithin. I am taking turmeric, which supposedly

decreases the stones. According to Chang's website, some people opt to take

the curcuma and GCG for up to a year to dissolve stones. I've been taking

the turmeric for 6 months.

Good luck on your flush tonight! laura

----- Original Message -----

From: " barry91162 " <barry91162@...>

Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 6:44 PM

Subject: Re: which side?....?

> Thanks for that info. Sounds like after around 15 flushes you

> were finally clear. Why didn't you do some kind of maintanance flush

> every 3 or 6 months to keep your liver and/or gb clear of new stones?

> Sounds like the year you took off could have been the time those 3

> stones were formed new? Could be. In that case you shouldn't feel

> bummed out. I've heard that once the stones are found they can

> continue to be made even after a diet change. Maybe Lecithin can keep

> the bile from getting so thick. Or more bile salts in a suppliment.

> Anyway, a maintanance flush occasionally could have keep the stones

> for coming back so fast.

>

> Are you planning on starting up a few cleanses again to try and get

> those 3 out?

>

> I am doing my 5th cleanse tonight and am hoping to get a few more

> hundred liver stones out and maybe some calcifing stones too.

> My ultrasound only showed the one 1cm stone floating around in my gb.

> It was taken even while I was still having the colic and it was

> strange that the stone was away from the mouth of my gb. Like sitting

> in the middle area. That was before any flush or removal of any

> sludge or possible duct blockage.

>

> The rest of my gallbladder looked fine, only bloated from the build

> up of bile.

>

> The 3 gastrologist doctors that I went to after my first scan said

> that the walls could be diseased but they couldn't tell without

> further tests. They then told me to make an appointment to cut out my

> gb without even suggesting waiting for the test results. This is when

> I started to doubt their intentions and starting searching on the

> internet for more 'unbiased' information. They last one I saw, I

> asked him about Olive oil because I had started to find information

> about it. He then went over to his office door, shut it, and told me

> in whispers that I should try it because he has heard of many people

> who have had success with it. He suggested drinking a teaspoon a day

> of Olive oil and see what happened. That was the closest innformation

> I heard to a flush and keeping my organ from a doctor until I found

> the cleanses online.

>

> Anyway, good luck with your health.

>

> Barry.

>

> > > > > > I think I may have passed a calcified stone on a later

> flush. I

> > > had

> > > > > the

> > > > > > ultrasound tech compare my two ultrasounds and she said

> that it

> > > was

> > > > > hard to

> > > > > > tell but it looked as if I may have moved one out. Then I

> > > > > remembered in one

> > > > > > flush I saw something on the bottom of the bowl that I

> thought

> > > > > must've been

> > > > > > stool. I think I had done a Hulda flush. laura

> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > > > > From: <Rachd1961@a...>

> > > > > > <gallstones@y...>

> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:55 PM

> > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: which side?..Dale..??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Da_@e... writes:

> > > > > > > > I don't know for sure but from all my digging all I got

> was

> > > > > cholesterol

> > > > > > > > stones. I never had anything that was heavy enough to

> drop

> > > to

> > > > > the bottom

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the bowel

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Maybe the calcium ones are more prone to breaking down or

> > > > > dissolving and

> > > > > > > that's why we don't see them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > How about the rest of the group. Have any of you, to your

> > > > > knowledge, ever

> > > > > > > eliminated a calcified stone?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The reason I'm asking is that I'm just curious about the

> > > > > experience - if

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > was any different in any way than passing the cholesterol

> > > ones.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in health,

> > > > > > >

February 8, 2002

Hi Barry, sorry for the confusion. I can only hope that the combination of

diet and the turmeric will have shrunk the stones. My diet is so tight I

squeak! If I had problems I would act differently and probably do regular

flushes. But I do think getting to the root of the problems should help the

outcome.

I thought Chang told me that the GCG was to give the gallbladder

energy. Maybe she misspoke, I don't know. You may want to look into turmeric

or curcuma, same thing. Ben Simonton is the fellow who is taking the

Chanca Piedra and has shrunk his stone. I took some of 's herbs but

then started on this arthritis treatment and stopped. My doc cautions

against taking anything from someone over the phone or whatever. But it

sounds like the Chanca Piedra really helps.

If your pain is getting better then is sounds like you have time to shrink

your stone. Have you read Dr. Cabot's books. She's really good. I

have a book by Dr. Murray who gives some herbal and nutritional

recommendations if you would like them I'll email them to you. Just tell me.

It must be different with different people as far as pain is concerned.

Another poster, Ken, had terrible trouble with cholesterol stones and solved

it with diet and supplements.

Well, you have a good outlook on the whole thing. I was just too scared to

have surgery and worried about life after.

Take care. laura

>

February 8, 2002

I take it in the spice form. But i was taking it mainly to aid in reducing

arthritis pain. I was taking a tsp a day. I had read in an herbal remedy

book about the stone reducing effects of it. Apparently on rats it reduced