Re: I'm reconsidering the E.S.

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cozad76078@... writes:

> I don't know what it is about the E.S....but it really irks me now. I took

> it fine the first flush, the second was ok...but now I feel like it is

> toxic to me. I may try other things and see if they work. If nothing works,

> maybe put some more time between the last E.S. flush and my next E.S.flush.

> Altho I really hope to find something else. I know it really sounds

> hypocritical of me to say all this after touting it, so! But my body is

> telling me it doesn't like it. I'm now on a quest. And I'm also glad

> that it did help in my 2 very successful

Maybe your body IS telling you that it's toxic for you right now. It doesn't

sound hypocritical at all, to me. It just sounds like there was a time when

it was a really good thing for you and maybe right now it isn't. There's so

much about the human body that we don't understand yet and sometimes all we

can do is " listen " .

You're right - it's great the it helped in your 2 successful flushes. I also

have found success with it in the past, as you know, and also reached a point

where it didn't feel right to me. But I'm open, as you are, to the

possibility that it might be something I will include again in the future.

We go through these phases and (hopefully) learn from them as we go.

in health,

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In a message dated 2/7/02 8:04:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cozad76078@... writes:

> So I'm researching alternate methods...Proud of me, ?

Absolutely, . I'm proud of you for taking the initiative with cleansing

in the first place and also proud of you for listening to your body and

laying off the ES for a while if that's what you think is needed. You

go girl!

in health

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In a message dated 2/7/02 10:01:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cozad76078@... writes:

> Ok, ...what are you doing instead that works for you now? Heard of

> using magnesium citrate? of DH

The apple juice is enough for me to clear out the bowels prior to the

cleanse. As for the idea of the ES dilating the ducts - I'm not sold on that

one yet, so I'm not concerned about it. My cleanses have been fine without

the ES, as I've shared before, so it seems that my bile ducts are handling

the stones just fine.

Yes, I have heard of using magnesium citrate. I haven't tried it

personally, though.

in health,

[Guest guest]

Yeah , I think the Epsom salts not only help empty the bowels

but is also the best thing that I have hear of to dialate the ducts.

What else could do that? I don't know. Epsom dialates almost all of

your organs, even your pores.

No one said 'flushing' was easy. Even the word 'flushing' conjures up

bad thoughts. :-)

You also have my double formula for Epsom wrong. You said I cut it in

half. I don't cut down on it, I add more. I use 5 heaping TABLESPOONS

of the stuff, not 5 TEASPOONS. I like the taste because it is a lot

like mineral water for me. The Epsom is easier for me than the oil

drink actually.

P.S. Did you mean you cut your regular dose of 10 tbspns down to 5?

If you did, and I got it wrong, then 10 is way too much for me. But

if it worked before why not go back to it? And if 10 tbspns works,

and 5 made you sick, do you think it was the Epsom or just a change

in your body? Because how could 10 work good for 2 flushes and than

half dose of only 5 tbspns make you feel so sick? I don't understand

that part.

Do whatever works for you but don't expect to find the easy way

better. I 'power-flush' now with more Espom and double the oil

mix. Spacing the oil mix 30 minutes apart because I can't drink a

whole cup at one time.

I fully support magnesium sulfate, and I say this after just drinking

my first drink and getting ready for me second. :-).

I know that when my bowels cringe, my body dehydrates somewhat,

diarriha is pouring out by the quarts, that my cleanse will produce

better results. Sounds like a masocist or something, haha, but I want

to do the best cleanse possible because it is two weeks apart and I

don't want to have another low-result flush. It's not easy, but I

feel great after 24 hours.

Just my thoughts on Epsom.

Barry.

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wrote:

> Can you believe it, after all the screaming about how great the

epsom salt works for me and how I use so much...now I'm reconsidering

not using it. Yeah, I got good results the first 2 flushes when I

used a lot. One flush was a total flop because I didn't even use as

much as does. And this last flush I cut the amount in half of

what I usually use (which was still more than most of you use...it

was the 5 TBS Barry uses), and well...not only was I disappointed

with the last flush...but my goodness: could tell from the get go

that the epsom salt was making me feel really bad. With the first

drink. So I'm researching alternate methods...Proud of me, ?

One idea from another list was to use magnesium citrate (I'm

researching that). Ideas on that and other subtitutions are welcome.

I've thought about Cascara Sagrada to empty bowels before

oil/grapefruit...but when to take it. Doesn't it take more time to

hit than the E.S. ? And what dilates the ducts? I'm serious....I

really feel like I was being poisoned by the E.S.! Not meaning to

scare any of you other E.S. folks. Just on a new quest of my

own......IDEAS ANYONE? of Dewberry Hill

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> " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when

the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is

revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross

> " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the

world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall

have the light of life. " Holy Bible

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[Guest guest]

Barry, I did mean that I cut my E.S. in half of what I used to take and did the

flush you do...because I didn't think I needed all that oil & juice that I was

doing. I don't know what it is about the E.S....but it really irks me now. I

took it fine the first flush, the second was ok...but now I feel like it is

toxic to me. I may try other things and see if they work. If nothing works,

maybe put some more time between the last E.S. flush and my next E.S.flush.

Altho I really hope to find something else. I know it really sounds hypocritical

of me to say all this after touting it, so! But my body is telling me it

doesn't like it. I'm now on a quest. And I'm also glad that it did help in

my 2 very successful previous flushes. Plus I think I will go back to the pint

of oil and juice. That worked well the two good flushes for me and cutting it

down didn't. Who's to know? Oh well, And good luck on your latest flush. Hope

it is better than mine was. I can't possibly be clean yet. I'm sure I hit a

little wall. May try Coin grass or such.

of DH

" People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is

out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there

is alight within. " -Kubler Ross

" Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that

followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. "

Holy Bible

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[Guest guest]

Ok, ...what are you doing instead that works for you now? Heard of using

magnesium citrate? of DH

You're right - it's great the it helped in your 2 successful flushes. I also

have found success with it in the past, as you know, and also reached a point

where it didn't feel right to me. But I'm open, as you are, to the

possibility that it might be something I will include again in the future.

We go through these phases and (hopefully) learn from them as we go.

in health,

" People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is

out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there

is alight within. " -Kubler Ross

" Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that

followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. "

Holy Bible

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[Guest guest]

, the first flush I ever did involved no Epsoms. And I had no problem.

I didn't even fast. I would consider the magnesium citrate. When I first

came on this list a couple years ago, the moderator was a man named Dusan.

He began the group. He had his little girl do a flush and instead of epsoms

he had her eat about a pound of grapes. But what gave me comfort in the ES

was the relaxing ability of it and the bile ducts. I've also heard that you

really only need the epsoms on the first flush or so to loosen up the

stones. laura

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From: " of Dewberry Hill " <cozad76078@...>

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Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 8:02 PM

Subject: I'm reconsidering the E.S.

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I've just completed my 5th flush and it was successful. I'll post

results soon. Thanks for the encouragement.

I have to say that magnesium sulfate is not toxic. It's natural. And

your body needs it. Flushing just adds a lot of it to open ducts and

digestive organs. I don't like 'eliminating' so much before the oil

drink or the next morning but that is the purpose, right? I don't

like that cringing sharp lower abdominal pain that I get but I live

through it.

It's funny that you say 'you're body is telling you it doesn't like

it'. My body tells me not to even do a flush. haha I hate the Olive

oil now. The first two flushes were o.k for me, tasted like a malt

drink. But now, just smelling it makes me sick. My body definitely is

telling me it doesn't like so much oil but what can I do? Is there a

substitute better than Olive oil? I almost gag trying to get it all

down now. So, I guess what I'm saying is that we all could think of a

million things we'd rather be doing on a Friday night

besides 'flushing'. Do what works best for your results, not if it

feels easier. I think you know what I'm saying.

Good luck in your 'quest' and in your search for health.

Barry.

--- In gallstones@y..., of Dewberry Hill <cozad76078@y...>

wrote:

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> Barry, I did mean that I cut my E.S. in half of what I used to take

and did the flush you do...because I didn't think I needed all that

oil & juice that I was doing. I don't know what it is about the

E.S....but it really irks me now. I took it fine the first flush, the

second was ok...but now I feel like it is toxic to me. I may try

other things and see if they work. If nothing works, maybe put some

more time between the last E.S. flush and my next E.S.flush. Altho I

really hope to find something else. I know it really sounds

hypocritical of me to say all this after touting it, so! But my body

is telling me it doesn't like it. I'm now on a quest. And I'm

also glad that it did help in my 2 very successful previous flushes.

Plus I think I will go back to the pint of oil and juice. That worked

well the two good flushes for me and cutting it down didn't. Who's

to know? Oh well, And good luck on your latest flush. Hope it is

better than mine was. I can't possibly be clean yet. I'm sure I hit a

little wall. May try Coin grass or such.

>

> of DH

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> " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when

the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is

revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross

> " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the

world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall

have the light of life. " Holy Bible

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