Re: Expenses of dieting and taking supplements...

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Our Walmart has a tiny organic section about 4-5 feet wide and 3 or 4 shelves, and organic foods cost twice what regular foods do. There are a few fruits, meatless meat products, and soy milks. It's that way any where here. We do have "Healthy Markets" with more, but their prices are even higher. (I've tried this route before.) We don't bring junk food into the house, we just have dinner. He eats at work, and I eat some fruit during the day. If I'm hungrier during the day, I eat a tv dinner or soup. ($1.) So, the way it is now, we can both eat for about $2-$7/day (not including his lunch at work). It would cost more than that for me, alone, if I tried doing the organic route. I spend about $50/week at Walmart. I don't know if it's geographical, maybe? But it costs a lot even for regular fruits and vegetables, much more for organic. I always buy canned or frozen for half the price of fresh.

This is all just so overwhelming. I never imagined diet played such a huge factor in all this! It's alarming what all I've learned, but you can only do so much. I just meant I will do what I can as far as dieting, but I won't be able to do it all -and I just wondered about the supplement part and what the costs are there.

I wish I had the space (and energy) to do a garden. A finance show had some people who not only ate healthier by growing their own veggies, but they saved $80,000 up to buy a house by saving the money they would have normally spend for the veggies. (It didn't say how long it took them, but they were only mid 30's -so it couldn't have been very long.)

One step at a time, and hopefully I'll end up in the right place! lol

Brigite

In a message dated 7/27/2006 9:14:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, skaggs@... writes:

Do you have a Wal-Mart nearby? Wal-Mart is advertising very heavily where Ilive that they have many organics. I am lucky to have a Wild Oats here anddo all of my shopping there but know people who shop at Wal-Mart and arequite happy with their organic groceries.If you cut out all of the processed foods, chips, macaroni and cheese, boxedstuff, frozen dinners, etc., shopping is actually cheaper. I will only buyorganic groceries and my bill is not more expensive than it was buyingconventional because we don't eat the garbage in boxes or in the freezercase. Eat very simply and it shouldn't be more expensive.Kenda

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Thanks for all the useful info! I CAN do frozen veggies! That's a great idea. I hadn't made it to that part of the book yet. I've only skimmed the diet. (I have such a hard time with my eyes when I try to read books...it kills my head, so I take it really slow.)

As for Bison, we rarely see anything like that. Occasionally, our Walmart that services a wealthier area will have special meats like bison, venison, and "octopus!" (It's a more expensive Walmart than others, too. Our prices vary from store to store---I'm not sure if they are like that all over or not.)

In some areas of our state, you can't even buy extra lean hamburger. They only go to 85/15 or 80/20.

Completely away from being related to the special diet we're shooting for...

When I became interested in PETA, despite that we don't omit meat from our diets, I at least thought I'd try to buy free range chicken and grass fed beef -and found no place here carries that, either!

The food part has never really bothered me until now knowing what I know (because we're otherwise happy with what we have), but not being able to afford cruelty free products has really bothered me for a while. If you can even find them off the internet, they're priced so high that it isn't economical. I do what I can, though, when there's a cruelty free option that's affordable and works as well.

Thanks again!

Brigite

In a message dated 7/27/2006 12:08:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, saxony01@... writes:

you can't afford to buy organic veggies, Rubin says the next best choice is frozen. The nutrients are preserved by freezing at their peak, and they're not treated with stuff to keep them pretty looking on the shelf.

Also . . . I don't know about the Walmart's near you . . . but the one here has ground Bison (buffalo) . . . It runs about five bucks a pound . .. but it's all lean so it goes a long way. It's illegal to use antibiotics or hormones on buffalo. You have to look for it . . . it's not with the regular fresh cut meat. It's delicious!

[Guest guest]

Do you have a Wal-Mart nearby? Wal-Mart is advertising very heavily where I

live that they have many organics. I am lucky to have a Wild Oats here and

do all of my shopping there but know people who shop at Wal-Mart and are

quite happy with their organic groceries.

If you cut out all of the processed foods, chips, macaroni and cheese, boxed

stuff, frozen dinners, etc., shopping is actually cheaper. I will only buy

organic groceries and my bill is not more expensive than it was buying

conventional because we don't eat the garbage in boxes or in the freezer

case. Eat very simply and it shouldn't be more expensive.

Kenda

>

> How much per month are you spending on supplements and vitamins? I'm just

> reading a DIET plan (The Maker's Diet) wondering how I would afford to do it,

> and can't even fathom the expenses of the other regimens right now!

>

> I have cut out at least 95% of my sugar intake, and cut out 100% of

> caffeine, but as far as eating organic foods, more vegetables and fruit, and

> less

> processed foods ---this would really be expensive. My doctor has always

> recommended organic foods and nothing processed, but it's just too expensive.

> I don't

> know how you gals manage all this! Especially since I'd still have to cook

> one meal for my husband, then a separate diet for myself...and I'm sure many

> of you may have to do that with your families. It would not only be expensive

> to eat that way, plus do separate meals for others, but also tiresome.

>

> I commend all of you who are so faithful to this... you're women of STEEL!!!

> LOL As for myself, I guess I'll do the best I can and make cuts and

> additions where I can, and just hope God does the rest of the detoxing process

> for

> me!!! LOL It angers me to no end that Dow and Mentor don't have to pay all

> these expenses to try to put us back how we were before!!!

>

> Brigite

>

> PS: I'm still waiting call back from Schnarrs' office... so keep praying

> that I'll get a good quote!!!

>

>

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If you can't afford to buy organic veggies, Rubin says the next best choice is frozen. The nutrients are preserved by freezing at their peak, and they're not treated with stuff to keep them pretty looking on the shelf. Also . . . I don't know about the Walmart's near you . . . but the one here has ground Bison (buffalo) . . . It runs about five bucks a pound . .. but it's all lean so it goes a long way. It's illegal to use antibiotics or hormones on buffalo. You have to look for it . . . it's not with the regular fresh cut meat. It's delicious! Earlier this year, I bought a bag of spinach . . . I don't know what they treated it with, but it got lost in the frig . . . When I found it, it was past it's expiration date, but looked as fresh as new so I decided to see how long it would look fresh . . . After three months, I gave up and threw it out. I wonder what they put on it? Someone told me that human bodies have so much preservative in them that they are not degrading after death the way they used to. IMHO, if the body gets the nutrients it needs, hunger pangs are satisfied . . . It's eating empty junk that makes us get so hungry. In the long run, eating healthy should be cheaper! Of course, that depends on what you like to eat! I feel that eating raw foods satisfies the appetite much better than processed foods. My oncologist told me that eating 10 servings of carrots a week can signficantly deter cancer . . . Unfortunately, carrots are high in sugar! I've found the best prices for supplements on www.iherb.com. They give you an additional discount at checkout . . . significant on Garden of Life products. How they figure the discount, I haven't figured out. Rogene KissofSadness@... wrote: Our Walmart has a tiny organic section about 4-5 feet wide and 3 or 4 shelves, and organic foods cost twice what regular foods do. There are a few fruits, meatless meat products, and soy milks. It's that way any where here. We do have "Healthy Markets" with more, but their prices are even higher. (I've tried this route before.) We don't bring junk food into the

house, we just have dinner. He eats at work, and I eat some fruit during the day. If I'm hungrier during the day, I eat a tv dinner or soup. ($1.) So, the way it is now, we can both eat for about $2-$7/day (not including his lunch at work). It would cost more than that for me, alone, if I tried doing the organic route. I spend about $50/week at Walmart. I don't know if it's geographical, maybe? But it costs a lot even for regular fruits and vegetables, much more for organic. I always buy canned or frozen for half the price of fresh. This is all just so overwhelming. I never imagined diet played such a huge factor in all this! It's alarming what all I've learned, but you can only do so much. I just meant I will do what I can as far as dieting, but I won't be able to do it all -and I just wondered about the supplement part and what the costs are there. I wish I had the space (and energy) to do a garden. A finance show had some people who not only ate healthier by growing their own veggies, but they saved $80,000 up to buy a house by saving the money they would have normally spend for the veggies. (It didn't say how long it took them, but they were only mid 30's -so it couldn't have been very long.) One step at a time, and hopefully I'll end up in the right place! lol Brigite In a message dated 7/27/2006 9:14:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, skaggscountycable writes: Do you have a Wal-Mart nearby? Wal-Mart is advertising very heavily

where Ilive that they have many organics. I am lucky to have a Wild Oats here anddo all of my shopping there but know people who shop at Wal-Mart and arequite happy with their organic groceries.If you cut out all of the processed foods, chips, macaroni and cheese, boxedstuff, frozen dinners, etc., shopping is actually cheaper. I will only buyorganic groceries and my bill is not more expensive than it was buyingconventional because we don't eat the garbage in boxes or in the freezercase. Eat very simply and it shouldn't be more expensive.Kenda

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There are some things that Rubin recommends that can make a huge difference . . . at little or no cost . . . No microwaving . . . No artificial foods - like margarine, coffee creamer, soft drinks Use sea salt (you can buy it in bulk at Whole Foods, Wild Oats) Watch the newspaper for supermarket specials, buy seasonal products, or shop farmer's markets. No deep frying . . . Coconut oil is a very healthy oil - but introduce it slowly, because it may cause a herx if you have fungal issues. You can buy it in bulk at www.tropicaltraditions.com . Health food store prices for coconut oil are high. I like to use it in place of butter. Rather than boil veggies, steam them (if you're not going to eat them raw) . .

.. Once you find out how much more flavor steamed veggies have, you'll never want boiled veggies again! Canned soups and TV dinners are loaded with chemicals . . . It's considerably cheaper to make them from scratch . . . make extra for future meals. One of my friends has a machine that makes flour . . . www.breadbeckers.com. She makes flour and bakes bi-weekly, storing breads in the freezer . . . She and her hubby rave about the breads she makes. Did you know that freshly ground flour will go bad quickly? So they put preservatives in it? I'm wanting one of these machines . . . but haven't talked hubby into it YET. Personally, I don't think a diet change should be stressful . . . Abruptly changing everything would stress most people - even if they feel better. Better to change one thing at a time . . . find new foods and ways of

cooking you like to gradually replace the old ways. With the supplements, I'd put priority on those that will suppress the bad organisms (Fungal Defense) and rebuild the good ones (Primal Defense) . . . Initially they can be pricey, but, as the good organisms are reestablished, you can cut back on those and concentrate on others. . . If you can't do everything, do those you can. IMHO, the cost of health care in this country would be dramatically decreased if junk food wasn't promoted so heavily! Rogene

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Brigite, Call Walmart and ask them if they carry Bison . . . you'll want someone who can check their computer . . . When I was in the store, I asked a man if they had it . . . He said "No" . . . meanwhile he was standing next to the case with it displayed! In the package, it looks like very lean hamburger. It tastes like hamburger, but has more flavor. By the time I combine it with veggies, I have eight servings from one package. . . . Hubby finally told me that he doesn't mind me "sneaking" veggies into the meals! . . . He's come a long way! The great part of The Maker's Diet isn't just the diet . . . it's the way he explains why it's important to eat right. . . Understanding is a great motivator. Hugs, Rogene

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Brigite, We have a hard time with the finances also. Jordin Rubin even states that if you can't go organic, or even afford his suppliments, you can still be successful in the diet. Just follow the guidlines of why we eat certain foods and stay away from others. This time of the year is fun, my hubby and I go to the farmer's market to buy all our veggies. We also get raw cheese and cage free eggs much cheaper then in the store. I don't go 100% organic, but if there is a good deal I will. I have found that Walmart has good deals prepackaged organic groceries, such as ketchup and mustard. Don't sweat it Brigite, you will find good deals if you are willing to look. If you can't find deals on organic vegetables just go with vegetables. KissofSadness@... wrote: Gals, How much per month are you spending on supplements and vitamins? I'm just reading a DIET plan (The Maker's Diet) wondering how I would afford to do it, and can't even fathom the expenses of the other regimens right now! I have cut out at least 95% of my sugar intake, and cut out 100% of caffeine, but as far as eating organic foods, more vegetables and fruit, and less processed foods ---this would really

be expensive. My doctor has always recommended organic foods and nothing processed, but it's just too expensive. I don't know how you gals manage all this! Especially since I'd still have to cook one meal for my husband, then a separate diet for myself...and I'm sure many of you may have to do that with your families. It would not only be expensive to eat that way, plus do separate meals for others, but also tiresome. I commend all of you who are so faithful to this... you're women of STEEL!!! LOL As for myself, I guess I'll do the best I can and make cuts and additions where I can, and just hope God does the rest of the detoxing process for me!!! LOL It angers me to no end that Dow and Mentor don't have to pay all these expenses to try to put us back how we were before!!! Brigite

PS: I'm still waiting call back from Schnarrs' office... so keep praying that I'll get a good quote!!!

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, A Herx (Herximer effect) . . . is a temporary return of symptoms, or a flu-like feeling that occurs while you're detoxing. It can be tricky to tell the difference between actually being sick and herxing . . . That's where keeping a journal helps. For instance . . . If one has a really bad fungal problem, they'll likely experience a Herx when they take an anti-fungal . . . or get a massage where some toxins are released . . . or get hot and start sweating, etc. Toxins that had found a comfortable resting spot get stirred up and, until you either eliminate them, or they find another resting place, make you feel bad. When fungal organisms die-off, the product they create is toxic . . . That's why it's so important to drink a lot of water! One of the "tricks" of detoxing is finding a balance where detoxing is taking place, but the herxes aren't so bad as to become a

deterrent to continuing. That's why we suggest easing into detox programs. Learn how you feel with each one. Later on, you won't Herx as much even with more intense programs. Once you get hang of it, you'll welcome that feeling because you know you've hit the target. The good news is that, everytime you go though one of these, you should be feeling better than you were before when it's over. Hugs, Rogene

[Guest guest]

Rogene,

Could I be herxing to the antibiotics I'm taking after the tick

bite? Last week I started on something called Ceftin, and right

away I felt really bad, and I was worried about that particular

brand because it had some side effects that would be with you for

life (like hepatitis, and some strange syndromes) so I asked to be

switched to Doxycycline. I'm having some mild aches and pains after

starting them yesterday.

Sis

>

> ,

>

> A Herx (Herximer effect) . . . is a temporary return of

symptoms, or a flu-like feeling that occurs while you're detoxing.

It can be tricky to tell the difference between actually being sick

and herxing . . . That's where keeping a journal helps.

>

> For instance . . . If one has a really bad fungal problem,

they'll likely experience a Herx when they take an anti-fungal . . .

or get a massage where some toxins are released . . . or get hot and

start sweating, etc. Toxins that had found a comfortable resting

spot get stirred up and, until you either eliminate them, or they

find another resting place, make you feel bad. When fungal organisms

die-off, the product they create is toxic . . . That's why it's so

important to drink a lot of water!

>

> One of the " tricks " of detoxing is finding a balance where

detoxing is taking place, but the herxes aren't so bad as to become

a deterrent to continuing. That's why we suggest easing into detox

programs. Learn how you feel with each one. Later on, you won't Herx

as much even with more intense programs.

>

> Once you get hang of it, you'll welcome that feeling because you

know you've hit the target.

>

> The good news is that, everytime you go though one of these, you

should be feeling better than you were before when it's over.

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

Sis, Chances are you are herxing . . . If you are, your symptoms should get better with a little time - as the toxins get killed off . . . If you continue to feel miserable, contact your doctor. Contact your doctor if you have an extreme reaction . .. like hives, welts, throat closing - anything that indicates an allergy. A lot of implant women complain about feeling much worse after taking antibiotics. It would make sense only if it's due to herxing. It's terribly important that, when taking antibiotics, you follow an anti-fungal diet religiously. Drink a lot of water to flush the toxic die-off! There's something I hope all of you will look up . . . Search for "Garth Nicolson mycoplasma bacteria treatment" . . . There's a lot of info there . . . Scary! . . . We've had a number of women diagnosed with biotoxins and mycoplasma bacteria. This is the stuff that

bacteria warfare is made of! . . . I'll let Professor Nicolson tell you more. Take your time to understand what he's talking about. I suspect a lot of implant women have this problem - but their doctors don't know what to look for or how to treat it. Rogene auntsisnj <auntsisnj@...> wrote: Rogene,Could I be herxing to the antibiotics I'm taking after the tick bite? Last week I

started on something called Ceftin, and right away I felt really bad, and I was worried about that particular brand because it had some side effects that would be with you for life (like hepatitis, and some strange syndromes) so I asked to be switched to Doxycycline. I'm having some mild aches and pains after starting them yesterday.Sis>> ,> > A Herx (Herximer effect) . . . is a temporary return of symptoms, or a flu-like feeling that occurs while you're detoxing. It can be tricky to tell the difference between actually being sick and herxing . . . That's where keeping a journal helps.> > For instance . . . If one has a really bad fungal problem, they'll likely experience a Herx when they take an anti-fungal . . . or get a massage

where some toxins are released . . . or get hot and start sweating, etc. Toxins that had found a comfortable resting spot get stirred up and, until you either eliminate them, or they find another resting place, make you feel bad. When fungal organisms die-off, the product they create is toxic . . . That's why it's so important to drink a lot of water!> > One of the "tricks" of detoxing is finding a balance where detoxing is taking place, but the herxes aren't so bad as to become a deterrent to continuing. That's why we suggest easing into detox programs. Learn how you feel with each one. Later on, you won't Herx as much even with more intense programs.> > Once you get hang of it, you'll welcome that feeling because you know you've hit the target.> > The good news is that, everytime you go though one of these, you should be feeling better than you were before when it's over.>

> Hugs,> > Rogene>

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One more note . . . There is a test, Visual Contrast Sensitivity test, that can detect the presense of biotoxins . .. You can do the test online . . I think it's about ten bucks. If you test positive for biotoxins, you must have professional medical treatment if you are to get well. Rogene auntsisnj <auntsisnj@...> wrote: Rogene,Could I be herxing to the antibiotics I'm

taking after the tick bite? Last week I started on something called Ceftin, and right away I felt really bad, and I was worried about that particular brand because it had some side effects that would be with you for life (like hepatitis, and some strange syndromes) so I asked to be switched to Doxycycline. I'm having some mild aches and pains after starting them yesterday.Sis>> ,> > A Herx (Herximer effect) . . . is a temporary return of symptoms, or a flu-like feeling that occurs while you're detoxing. It can be tricky to tell the difference between actually being sick and herxing . . . That's where keeping a journal helps.> > For instance . . . If one has a really bad fungal problem, they'll likely experience a Herx when they

take an anti-fungal . . . or get a massage where some toxins are released . . . or get hot and start sweating, etc. Toxins that had found a comfortable resting spot get stirred up and, until you either eliminate them, or they find another resting place, make you feel bad. When fungal organisms die-off, the product they create is toxic . . . That's why it's so important to drink a lot of water!> > One of the "tricks" of detoxing is finding a balance where detoxing is taking place, but the herxes aren't so bad as to become a deterrent to continuing. That's why we suggest easing into detox programs. Learn how you feel with each one. Later on, you won't Herx as much even with more intense programs.> > Once you get hang of it, you'll welcome that feeling because you know you've hit the target.> > The good news is that, everytime you go though one of these, you should be feeling better than

you were before when it's over.> > Hugs,> > Rogene>

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Rogene,

I actually did get tested for mycoplasma and had a positive result,

but the doctor wasn't sure if it was from a previous infection since

I've had pneumonia before, or if it was recent. I'm curious to see

if the tick bite was actually a good thing, because maybe the

antibiotics might help kill something off that's still lurking in my

system from implants. The doctor has actually been looking into

biotoxins since I pointed her to some websites I found here.

I've been doubling up on the Culturelle (Lactobacillus CG), and I

haven't taken the Primal Defense because I didn't realize it has

silicon dioxide in it, so I'll have to get the powdered kind (not in

pill form) and see if that helps, too. Been drinking alot more

water.

Thanks!!

Sis

> >

> > ,

> >

> > A Herx (Herximer effect) . . . is a temporary return of

> symptoms, or a flu-like feeling that occurs while you're detoxing.

> It can be tricky to tell the difference between actually being

sick

> and herxing . . . That's where keeping a journal helps.

> >

> > For instance . . . If one has a really bad fungal problem,

> they'll likely experience a Herx when they take an anti-

fungal . . .

> or get a massage where some toxins are released . . . or get hot

and

> start sweating, etc. Toxins that had found a comfortable resting

> spot get stirred up and, until you either eliminate them, or they

> find another resting place, make you feel bad. When fungal

organisms

> die-off, the product they create is toxic . . . That's why it's so

> important to drink a lot of water!

> >

> > One of the " tricks " of detoxing is finding a balance where

> detoxing is taking place, but the herxes aren't so bad as to

become

> a deterrent to continuing. That's why we suggest easing into detox

> programs. Learn how you feel with each one. Later on, you won't

Herx

> as much even with more intense programs.

> >

> > Once you get hang of it, you'll welcome that feeling because you

> know you've hit the target.

> >

> > The good news is that, everytime you go though one of these, you

> should be feeling better than you were before when it's over.

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> > Rogene

> >

>