Re: alpha lipoic acid and acetyl-L-carnitine

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I take alpha lipoic acid and have for years. I take it for my liver.

Kenda

> I have been reading about alpha lipoic acid and acetyl-L-carnitine, and how

> useful they are when used together, for people with fibro symptoms. I wondered

> if anyone here has used them? Supposedly they help repair damage to cells.

> There is one supplement called Juvenon that has these in it, and it is

> recommended by Weil. I suppose one could easily buy them from a

> reputable source as as well.

> Bindi

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I started taking Alpha Lipoic acid for my peripheal neuropathy....it doesn't help, and does nothing for my Fibro.....maybe I need to add the L-carnitine with it.Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: I take alpha lipoic acid and have for years. I take it for my liver.Kenda> I have been reading about alpha lipoic acid and acetyl-L-carnitine, and how> useful they are when used together, for people with fibro symptoms. I wondered> if anyone here has used them? Supposedly they help repair

damage to cells.> There is one supplement called Juvenon that has these in it, and it is> recommended by Weil. I suppose one could easily buy them from a> reputable source as as well.> Bindi

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Bindi,

How is Alpha Lipoic Acid used for fibro? I have never heard of it being

used this way. L-Carnitine is a part of the energy cycle, isn't it? In

some people with fibro, the links in the energy cycle are broken and the

different aminos need to be fed.

Kenda

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> I started taking Alpha Lipoic acid for my peripheal neuropathy....it doesn't

> help, and does nothing for my Fibro.....maybe I need to add the L-carnitine

> with it.

>

> Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: I take alpha lipoic acid

> and have for years. I take it for my liver.

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> Kenda

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>> I have been reading about alpha lipoic acid and acetyl-L-carnitine, and how

>> useful they are when used together, for people with fibro symptoms. I

>> wondered

>> if anyone here has used them? Supposedly they help repair damage to cells.

>> There is one supplement called Juvenon that has these in it, and it is

>> recommended by Weil. I suppose one could easily buy them from a

>> reputable source as as well.

>> Bindi

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Supposedly, when taken together they help protect cellls and heal damage by stimulating mitochondria production and the strengthening of cell walls, as well as helping to fight free radicals, and help cells produce ATP, which is deficient in people with fibro.

Another amino acid I read about that has promise for fibro sufferers is L-argninine, which boosts nitric oxide. This helps relax blood vessels and enhance blood flow, also a big problem with fibromites. The recommended dosage is 750 mg, 2-3 times per day.

Many of the ladies here say that raw garlic helps with fibro pain and my guess is that it's due to it's blood-thinning properties, which is why it isn't good to eat lots of garlic before surgery!

Bindi

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Bindi,How is Alpha Lipoic Acid used for fibro? I have never heard of it beingused this way. L-Carnitine is a part of the energy cycle, isn't it? Insome people with fibro, the links in the energy cycle are broken and thedifferent aminos need to be fed.Kenda11/5/06 11:13 PM> I started taking Alpha Lipoic acid for my peripheal neuropathy....it doesn't> help, and does nothing for my Fibro.....maybe I need to add the L-carnitine> with it.> > Kenda Skaggs <skaggscountycable> wrote: I take alpha lipoic acid> and have for years. I take it for my liver.> > Kenda> >> I have been reading about alpha lipoic acid and acetyl-L-carnitine, and how>> useful they are when used together, for people with fibro symptoms. I>> wondered>> if anyone here has used them? Supposedly they help repair damage to cells.>> There is one supplement called Juvenon that has these in it, and it is>> recommended by Weil. I suppose one could easily buy them from a>> reputable source as as well.>> Bindi> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.

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Bindi, I just read online last night that garlic is a known goitergenic....so people with Hypothyroidsm should not eat it at all! Same with flaxseed, which I take every day. No wonder I've gained so much weight over the last few weeks!freebindi <bindi@...> wrote: Supposedly, when taken together they help protect cellls and heal damage by stimulating mitochondria production and the strengthening of cell walls, as well as helping to

fight free radicals, and help cells produce ATP, which is deficient in people with fibro. Another amino acid I read about that has promise for fibro sufferers is L-argninine, which boosts nitric oxide. This helps relax blood vessels and enhance blood flow, also a big problem with fibromites. The recommended dosage is 750 mg, 2-3 times per day. Many of the ladies here say that raw garlic helps with fibro pain and my guess is that it's due to it's blood-thinning properties, which is why it isn't good to eat lots of garlic before surgery! Bindi Re: alpha lipoic acid and acetyl-L-carnitine Bindi,How is Alpha Lipoic Acid used for fibro? I have never heard of it beingused this way. L-Carnitine is a part of the energy cycle, isn't it? Insome people with fibro, the links in the energy cycle are broken and thedifferent aminos need to be fed.Kenda11/5/06 11:13 PM> I started taking Alpha Lipoic acid for my peripheal neuropathy....it doesn't>

help, and does nothing for my Fibro.....maybe I need to add the L-carnitine> with it.> > Kenda Skaggs <skaggscountycable> wrote: I take alpha lipoic acid> and have for years. I take it for my liver.> > Kenda> >> I have been reading about alpha lipoic acid and acetyl-L-carnitine, and how>> useful they are when used together, for people with fibro symptoms. I>> wondered>> if anyone here has used them? Supposedly they help repair damage to cells.>> There is one supplement called Juvenon that has these in it, and it is>> recommended by Weil. I suppose one could easily buy them from a>> reputable source as as well.>> Bindi> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low

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Honey, I have gained a lot of weight too. We eat garlic and there is flaxseed in our cereal! Most women seem to have gained weight after having these toxic bags implanted into their bodies.

This is great information, but Kenda might want to explain this to us, if this is true, we will all be very unhappy.

Love to you for sharing this...........Lea

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Bindi,How is Alpha Lipoic Acid used for fibro? I have never heard of it beingused this way. L-Carnitine is a part of the energy cycle, isn't it? Insome people with fibro, the links in the energy cycle are broken and thedifferent aminos need to be fed.Kenda11/5/06 11:13 PM> I started taking Alpha Lipoic acid for my peripheal neuropathy....it doesn't> help, and does nothing for my Fibro.....maybe I need to add the L-carnitine> with it.> > Kenda Skaggs <skaggscountycable> wrote: I take alpha lipoic acid> and have for years. I take it for my liver.> > Kenda> >> I have been reading about alpha lipoic acid and acetyl-L-carnitine, and how>> useful they are when used together, for people with fibro symptoms. I>> wondered>> if anyone here has used them? Supposedly they help repair damage to cells.>> There is one supplement called Juvenon that has these in it, and it is>> recommended by Weil. I suppose one could easily buy them from a>> reputable source as as well.>> Bindi> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.

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Where did you read this? I'd like to know more.

Bindi

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Bindi,How is Alpha Lipoic Acid used for fibro? I have never heard of it beingused this way. L-Carnitine is a part of the energy cycle, isn't it? Insome people with fibro, the links in the energy cycle are broken and thedifferent aminos need to be fed.Kenda11/5/06 11:13 PM> I started taking Alpha Lipoic acid for my peripheal neuropathy....it doesn't> help, and does nothing for my Fibro.....maybe I need to add the L-carnitine> with it.> > Kenda Skaggs <skaggscountycable> wrote: I take alpha lipoic acid> and have for years. I take it for my liver.> > Kenda> >> I have been reading about alpha lipoic acid and acetyl-L-carnitine, and how>> useful they are when used together, for people with fibro symptoms. I>> wondered>> if anyone here has used them? Supposedly they help repair damage to cells.>> There is one supplement called Juvenon that has these in it, and it is>> recommended by Weil. I suppose one could easily buy them from a>> reputable source as as well.>> Bindi> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.

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I did some scouting around on the net and what I found about garlic contraindications relates to hyperthyroidism, rather than hypothyroidism. Supposedly, the lipid-reducing properties of garlic are not beneficial if you are hyperthyroid.

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Bindi,How is Alpha Lipoic Acid used for fibro? I have never heard of it beingused this way. L-Carnitine is a part of the energy cycle, isn't it? Insome people with fibro, the links in the energy cycle are broken and thedifferent aminos need to be fed.Kenda11/5/06 11:13 PM> I started taking Alpha Lipoic acid for my peripheal neuropathy....it doesn't> help, and does nothing for my Fibro.....maybe I need to add the L-carnitine> with it.> > Kenda Skaggs <skaggscountycable> wrote: I take alpha lipoic acid> and have for years. I take it for my liver.> > Kenda> >> I have been reading about alpha lipoic acid and acetyl-L-carnitine, and how>> useful they are when used together, for people with fibro symptoms. I>> wondered>> if anyone here has used them? Supposedly they help repair damage to cells.>> There is one supplement called Juvenon that has these in it, and it is>> recommended by Weil. I suppose one could easily buy them from a>> reputable source as as well.>> Bindi> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.

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Leyna,

I've got a whole list of goitergenic foods in our files section, and they include many healthy foods, but to the contrary, garlic is listed as thyroid stimulating. (See the article on The Thyroid posted in the Healing Therapies section.) I'd be curious as to where you saw garlic being mentioned otherwise.

For me, soy is a definite no-no. I feel terrible after ingesting it, so I don't. However, I feel that we need to decide if the benefit of certain foods override the thyroid factor. For me, they do. By the way, where did you see this about garlic? In my research about thyroid issues, I never saw garlic mentioned.

Here it is:

mustard greens

kale

cabbage

peanuts

soy products

millet

brussels sprouts cauliflowerbroccoli

turnips

kohlrabi

spinach

Unsaturated oils, such as flax, soybean,safflower, corn, and canola.

Here's the section on healthy thyroid diet interventions:

A diet rich in vitamins A, C, E, and most B vitamins, and particularlyiodine can help stimulate the production of thyroid hormone. Kelp is a good source of iodine, as well as cod and cod-liver oil, seaweed, dulse, lobster,shrimp, crab, haddock, halibut and herring. Other foods, such as garlic, radishes, watercress, egg yolks, wheat germ, brewer's yeast, mushrooms,watermelon, tropical fruits and coconut oil are thyroid stimulating. The amino acid tyrosine is necessary for the production of thyroid hormone, which is comprised of tyrosine and iodine. Tyrosine supplements can helpstimulate thyroid function. (250-750 mg, taken between meals.)Exercise also stimulates the secretion of the thyroid gland.A 2-4 week diet of only raw foods, with heavy emphasis on raw greens, seaweed,nuts, seeds, sprouted beans and seeds, and

freshly extracted vegetable juicescan help improve thyroid function.

Patty

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Bindi,How is Alpha Lipoic Acid used for fibro? I have never heard of it beingused this way. L-Carnitine is a part of the energy cycle, isn't it? Insome people with fibro, the links in the energy cycle are broken and thedifferent aminos need to be fed.Kenda11/5/06 11:13 PM> I started taking Alpha Lipoic acid for my peripheal neuropathy.. ..it doesn't> help, and does nothing for my Fibro.....maybe I need to add the L-carnitine> with it.> > Kenda Skaggs <skaggscountycable (DOT) com> wrote: I take alpha lipoic acid> and have for years. I take it for my liver.> > Kenda> >> I have been reading about alpha lipoic acid and acetyl-L-carnitine, and how>> useful they are when used together, for people with fibro symptoms. I>> wondered>> if anyone here has used

them? Supposedly they help repair damage to cells.>> There is one supplement called Juvenon that has these in it, and it is>> recommended by Weil. I suppose one could easily buy them from a>> reputable source as as well.>> Bindi> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.

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Well, isn't that interesting! I never knew. I " drink " flax oil and

it's been really helping my mental health BIG time! I don't have the

thyroid problem.

My right lung still remains a challenge. My x-ray showed nada today

so we're going into deeper analysis.

Love,

Sunny

I take alpha lipoic acid

> > and have for years. I take it for my liver.

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> > Kenda

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> >> I have been reading about alpha lipoic acid and acetyl-L-

carnitine, and how

> >> useful they are when used together, for people with fibro

symptoms. I

> >> wondered

> >> if anyone here has used them? Supposedly they help repair damage

to cells.

> >> There is one supplement called Juvenon that has these in it, and

it is

> >> recommended by Weil. I suppose one could easily buy them

from a

> >> reputable source as as well.

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Sunny, See, the same thing has happenned with me-my mental health and memory seem to be better, but I AM steadily gaining weight-very quickly! I don't really feel like my thyroid is off balance though-I can usually tell with that. I don't know what's going on, but I hate it! Actually, I think it was because I stopped taking Apple Cider Vinegar....my energy level really dropped, and the weight started piling on. But every tme I take it, my Fibro starts hurting a lot worse within about 30 minutes.....can't win for losing! lolSunny <wellnessnow@...> wrote: Well, isn't that interesting! I never knew. I "drink" flax oil and it's been really helping my mental health BIG time! I don't have the thyroid problem.My right lung still remains a challenge. My x-ray showed nada today so we're going into deeper analysis.Love,Sunny I take alpha lipoic acid> > and have for years. I take it for my liver.> > > > Kenda> > > >> I have been reading about alpha lipoic acid and acetyl-L-carnitine, and how> >> useful they are when used

together, for people with fibro symptoms. I> >> wondered> >> if anyone here has used them? Supposedly they help repair damage to cells.> >> There is one supplement called Juvenon that has these in it, and it is> >> recommended by Weil. I suppose one could easily buy them from a> >> reputable source as as well.> >> Bindi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.> > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Sponsored Link> > Try Netflix today! With plans starting at only $5.99 a month what are you waiting for?>

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Patty, Here's one of the sites I found......look under 10. Foods to avoid in Hypothyroidism....it mentions garlic. http://www.compassionateacupuncture.com/Thyroid%20Disorders.htm#FOODS%20TO%20AVOID%20IN%20HYPOTHYROIDISM Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...> wrote: Leyna, I've got a whole list of goitergenic foods in our files section, and they include many healthy foods, but to the contrary, garlic is listed as thyroid stimulating. (See the article on The Thyroid posted in the Healing Therapies section.) I'd be curious as to where you saw garlic being mentioned otherwise. For me, soy is a definite no-no. I feel terrible after ingesting it, so I don't. However, I feel that we need to decide if the benefit of certain foods override the thyroid factor. For me, they do. By the way, where did you see this about garlic? In my research about thyroid

issues, I never saw garlic mentioned. Here it is: mustard greens kale cabbage peanuts soy products millet brussels sprouts cauliflowerbroccoli turnips kohlrabi spinach Unsaturated oils, such as flax, soybean,safflower, corn, and canola. Here's the section on healthy thyroid diet interventions: A diet rich in vitamins A, C, E, and most B vitamins, and particularlyiodine can help stimulate the

production of thyroid hormone. Kelp is a good source of iodine, as well as cod and cod-liver oil, seaweed, dulse, lobster,shrimp, crab, haddock, halibut and herring. Other foods, such as garlic, radishes, watercress, egg yolks, wheat germ, brewer's yeast, mushrooms,watermelon, tropical fruits and coconut oil are thyroid stimulating. The amino acid tyrosine is necessary for the production of thyroid hormone, which is comprised of tyrosine and iodine. Tyrosine supplements can helpstimulate thyroid function. (250-750 mg, taken between meals.)Exercise also stimulates the secretion of the thyroid gland.A 2-4 week diet of only raw foods, with heavy emphasis on raw greens, seaweed,nuts, seeds, sprouted beans and seeds, and freshly extracted vegetable juicescan help improve thyroid function. Patty Re: alpha lipoic acid and acetyl-L-carnitine Bindi,How is Alpha Lipoic Acid used for fibro? I have never heard of it beingused this way.

L-Carnitine is a part of the energy cycle, isn't it? Insome people with fibro, the links in the energy cycle are broken and thedifferent aminos need to be fed.Kenda11/5/06 11:13 PM> I started taking Alpha Lipoic acid for my peripheal neuropathy.. ..it doesn't> help, and does nothing for my Fibro.....maybe I need to add the L-carnitine> with it.> > Kenda Skaggs <skaggscountycable (DOT) com> wrote: I take alpha lipoic acid> and have for years. I take it for my liver.> > Kenda> >> I have been reading about alpha lipoic acid and acetyl-L-carnitine, and how>> useful they are when used together, for people with fibro symptoms. I>> wondered>> if anyone here has used them? Supposedly they help repair damage to cells.>> There is one supplement called Juvenon that has

these in it, and it is>> recommended by Weil. I suppose one could easily buy them from a>> reputable source as as well.>> Bindi> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Sponsored LinkTry Netflix today! With plans starting at only $5.99 a month what are you waiting for?

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Bindi, http://www.compassionateacupuncture.com/Thyroid%20Disorders.htm#FOODS%20TO%20AVOID%20IN%20HYPOTHYROIDISM Go down to Foods to Avoid in Hypothryoidsmfreebindi <bindi@...> wrote: Where did you read this? I'd like to know more. Bindi Re: alpha lipoic acid and acetyl-L-carnitine Bindi,How is

Alpha Lipoic Acid used for fibro? I have never heard of it beingused this way. L-Carnitine is a part of the energy cycle, isn't it? Insome people with fibro, the links in the energy cycle are broken and thedifferent aminos need to be fed.Kenda11/5/06 11:13 PM> I started taking Alpha Lipoic acid for my peripheal neuropathy....it doesn't> help, and does nothing for my Fibro.....maybe I need to add the L-carnitine> with it.> > Kenda Skaggs <skaggscountycable> wrote: I take alpha lipoic acid> and have for years. I take it for my liver.> > Kenda> >> I have been reading about alpha lipoic acid and acetyl-L-carnitine, and how>> useful they are when used together, for people with fibro symptoms. I>> wondered>> if anyone here has used them? Supposedly they help repair damage to

cells.>> There is one supplement called Juvenon that has these in it, and it is>> recommended by Weil. I suppose one could easily buy them from a>> reputable source as as well.>> Bindi> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Sponsored LinkTry Netflix today! With plans starting at only $5.99 a month what are you waiting for?

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Leyna, it's definitely a challenge to walk the balance beam, isn't

it? Lately, I've been munching down in the evenings and I've put on

a few pounds...ya know what? I'm ALIVE!!!! That's all I have to

say. Just focussing on having the implants out of my body is keeping

me happy for now. I do my best everyday to take care of myself, and

sometimes I just get " naughty " ....that's the way it is. lol

I'm still trying to figure out what I'll do for $$$$...every cell in

my body and spirit tells me to start up my own business, but I have

to let go of some fears first, I guess.

Take good care of yourself!

Love ya,

Sunny

I take alpha lipoic acid

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> > >> I have been reading about alpha lipoic acid and acetyl-L-

> carnitine, and how

> > >> useful they are when used together, for people with fibro

> symptoms. I

> > >> wondered

> > >> if anyone here has used them? Supposedly they help repair

damage

> to cells.

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and

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them

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Sunny, Well, I wish you the best of luck in whatever you decide to do! I'd love to start my own business too, but have no idea what I'd want to do, or where I'd get the money. I just know that I'm sick of working for practically minimum wage! Good luck if you do start your own business!Sunny <wellnessnow@...> wrote: Leyna, it's definitely a challenge to walk the balance beam, isn't it? Lately, I've been munching down in the evenings and I've put on a few pounds...ya

know what? I'm ALIVE!!!! That's all I have to say. Just focussing on having the implants out of my body is keeping me happy for now. I do my best everyday to take care of myself, and sometimes I just get "naughty"....that's the way it is. lolI'm still trying to figure out what I'll do for $$$$...every cell in my body and spirit tells me to start up my own business, but I have to let go of some fears first, I guess.Take good care of yourself!Love ya,Sunny I take alpha lipoic acid> > > and have for years. I take it for my liver.> > > > > > Kenda> > > > > >> I have been reading about alpha lipoic acid and acetyl-L-> carnitine, and how> > >> useful they are when used together, for people with fibro > symptoms. I> > >> wondered> > >> if anyone here has used them? Supposedly they help repair damage > to cells.> > >> There is one supplement called Juvenon that has these in it, and > it is> > >> recommended by Weil. I suppose one could

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Bindi,

Alpha lipoic acid is a great liver supportive supplement. I take it, as well as my husband, especially since we do coffee enemas.

I haven't used the other one you mentioned though.

Patty

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I have been reading about alpha lipoic acid and acetyl-L-carnitine, and how useful they are when used together, for people with fibro symptoms. I wondered if anyone here has used them? Supposedly they help repair damage to cells. There is one supplement called Juvenon that has these in it, and it is recommended by Weil. I suppose one could easily buy them from a reputable source as as well.

Bindi