Re: Igan and strep throat/Apple cider vinegar!

[Guest guest]

Dear Helen,

I developed Igan, (from a strep throat which gave me nephritis, inflamed

kidneys).I was told by my doctor, that if I had my tonsils, that the strep,would

not have travelled any further than my throat, (because the tonsils are the

policemen of the body. However my tonsils were whipped out, when I was 11 years

old!

Because I have a high number of I.G.A proteins coating my nasal passages, my

throat & my stomach, my immune system is causing the slow deterioration of the

filtration of my kidneys. I was also told to be very vigilant on strep

attacks, in future, because this could result in kidney failure.!!

Now for the good news!! Few people know this!!

Many doctors prescribe antibiotics for the destruction of strep. And strep is

too powerful to be killed by antibiotics. One day I was visiting my local

beekeeping supply house, and I stumbled accross a folk medicine book, by a mr

Jarvis.This book explained that (before milk was pasturised) in the early part

of the last century;streptococci was prevalent in cows milk. The prevention was

simple, after introducing apple cider vinegar into the cattle feed, the strep

had completely disapeared!! If you are unlucky enough to have strep throat

now, then gargle several times a day with apple cider vinegar, until the

symptoms subside. If you have both Igan and a strep throat, then dilute the

vinegar to 3 parts water and one of vinegar.

It is important to understand that strep infects the entire body, and therefore

the last part of the gargle should be swallowed, to disinfect the rest of your

system.

Strep is often more prevalent in very dry climates. Since I moved from dry

Alberta, to humid, coastal Australia, I have not had one attack of strep in 15

years!

Hope this can help you. Although, children find it hard to swallow vinegar, I

know!!!!!!

Sincerely,

Pete Hallam/Coffs Harbour/Australia.

Helen wrote:Does any one know if there is a relationship

between Igan and strep

throat?

My daughter is six and was diagnosed with Igan in May. Since then,

everytime, she got sick, she got strep throat. This is her third

time since May. She got three streps in six months.

I really have no idea how I can protect her from strep throat. I

know strep throat would hurt her kidney a lot. Just have no idea

what I can do.

Need help and suggestion.

Thanks a lot,

Helen

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[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Thank you very much for the info.

Do you know where I could get the apple cider vinegar? Is it sold in

super market? Or drug store?

Thanks,

Helen

Does any one know if there is a

relationship between Igan and strep

> throat?

>

> My daughter is six and was diagnosed with Igan in May. Since then,

> everytime, she got sick, she got strep throat. This is her third

> time since May. She got three streps in six months.

>

> I really have no idea how I can protect her from strep throat. I

> know strep throat would hurt her kidney a lot. Just have no idea

> what I can do.

>

> Need help and suggestion.

>

> Thanks a lot,

> Helen

>

>

> To edit your settings for the group, go to our Yahoo Group

> home page:

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iga-nephropathy/

> Visit our companion website at www.igan.ca

>

>

[Guest guest]

Helen: I'm new to this support group and to having IGA as I have only been

diagnosed since Sept. I'm finding that more and more people are learning

about IGA after strep throats. I too had strep throat 4 months in a row and

then 4 months later I was diagnosed with IGA. Thanks for the tip on Strep,

and the apple cidar vinegar. I too live in lovely southern Alberta.

Theresa

>

>Reply-To: iga-nephropathy

>To: iga-nephropathy

>Subject: Re: Igan and strep throat/Apple cider vinegar!

>Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:23:26 +1100 (EST)

>

>

>Dear Helen,

>I developed Igan, (from a strep throat which gave me nephritis, inflamed

>kidneys).I was told by my doctor, that if I had my tonsils, that the

>strep,would not have travelled any further than my throat, (because the

>tonsils are the policemen of the body. However my tonsils were whipped out,

>when I was 11 years old!

>Because I have a high number of I.G.A proteins coating my nasal passages,

>my throat & my stomach, my immune system is causing the slow deterioration

>of the filtration of my kidneys. I was also told to be very vigilant on

>strep attacks, in future, because this could result in kidney failure.!!

>Now for the good news!! Few people know this!!

>Many doctors prescribe antibiotics for the destruction of strep. And strep

>is too powerful to be killed by antibiotics. One day I was visiting my

>local beekeeping supply house, and I stumbled accross a folk medicine book,

>by a mr Jarvis.This book explained that (before milk was pasturised) in the

>early part of the last century;streptococci was prevalent in cows milk. The

>prevention was simple, after introducing apple cider vinegar into the

>cattle feed, the strep had completely disapeared!! If you are unlucky

>enough to have strep throat now, then gargle several times a day with apple

>cider vinegar, until the symptoms subside. If you have both Igan and a

>strep throat, then dilute the vinegar to 3 parts water and one of vinegar.

>It is important to understand that strep infects the entire body, and

>therefore the last part of the gargle should be swallowed, to disinfect the

>rest of your system.

>Strep is often more prevalent in very dry climates. Since I moved from dry

>Alberta, to humid, coastal Australia, I have not had one attack of strep in

>15 years!

>Hope this can help you. Although, children find it hard to swallow vinegar,

>I know!!!!!!

>Sincerely,

>Pete Hallam/Coffs Harbour/Australia.

> Helen wrote:Does any one know if there is a

>relationship between Igan and strep

>throat?

>

>My daughter is six and was diagnosed with Igan in May. Since then,

>everytime, she got sick, she got strep throat. This is her third

>time since May. She got three streps in six months.

>

>I really have no idea how I can protect her from strep throat. I

>know strep throat would hurt her kidney a lot. Just have no idea

>what I can do.

>

>Need help and suggestion.

>

>Thanks a lot,

>Helen

>

>

>To edit your settings for the group, go to our Yahoo Group

>home page:

>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iga-nephropathy/

>Visit our companion website at www.igan.ca

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Your email was extremely interesting and I am sure it will

generate interest in quite a few people. I have had my tonsils

removed, I live in a humid climate, I seldom get strep throat and the

next time I do, I will give your suggestion a go. Are you saying that

you still have IGAN but you think you have slowed down the process of

kidney degradation?

Derrick

Sydney, Australia

Does any one know if there is a

relationship between Igan and strep

> throat?

>

> My daughter is six and was diagnosed with Igan in May. Since then,

> everytime, she got sick, she got strep throat. This is her third

> time since May. She got three streps in six months.

>

> I really have no idea how I can protect her from strep throat. I

> know strep throat would hurt her kidney a lot. Just have no idea

> what I can do.

>

> Need help and suggestion.

>

> Thanks a lot,

> Helen

>

>

> To edit your settings for the group, go to our Yahoo Group

> home page:

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iga-nephropathy/

> Visit our companion website at www.igan.ca

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've bought apple cider vinegar in health food stores. They usually have

tons of it. Watch out for potassium though, if you are potassium restricted.

Pierre

Re: Igan and strep throat/Apple cider vinegar!

> Dear ,

>

> Thank you very much for the info.

>

> Do you know where I could get the apple cider vinegar? Is it sold in

> super market? Or drug store?

>

> Thanks,

> Helen

[Guest guest]

We live in Arizona, very dry climates.

Does any one know if there is a

> >relationship between Igan and strep

> >throat?

> >

> >My daughter is six and was diagnosed with Igan in May. Since then,

> >everytime, she got sick, she got strep throat. This is her third

> >time since May. She got three streps in six months.

> >

> >I really have no idea how I can protect her from strep throat. I

> >know strep throat would hurt her kidney a lot. Just have no idea

> >what I can do.

> >

> >Need help and suggestion.

> >

> >Thanks a lot,

> >Helen

> >

> >

> >To edit your settings for the group, go to our Yahoo Group

> >home page:

> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iga-nephropathy/

> >Visit our companion website at www.igan.ca

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

When I was first diagnosed, I was asked if I had ever had tea or

cola-coloured urine after a strep throat. I hadn't, as far as I can

remember. However, we know now that there is a difference between what they

call post-streptococcal glomerulonephritis, and IgAN.

Now, they say that, while post-strep gn is usually self-limiting (and it's

an acute gn, not a chronic one), it may increase the risk of eventual

chronic gn. However, there is no direct link between strep and IgAN, as far

as I know. On biopsy, the immunoglobulin deposits are IgG, not IgA. My

thinking is that if you already have IgAN, a strep infection probably

doesn't help, as it just increases the chances of insult to the kidneys, and

having even perhaps a still sub-clinical IgAN (not yet diagnosed, that is)

may predispose someone to developing a more acute post-strep gn on top of

it.

But, post-strep gn itself does not seem to lead to IgAN. Statistically,

post-strep is fairly rare now, and it usually resolves on its own after a

weeks, maybe a few months for some. As with IgAN, they can only treat the

symptoms.

Of course, since we don't know what the cause, or causes of IgAN are, who

knows.

Pierre

[Guest guest]

I live in Alberta a year or two before I developed blood in the urine (Cold

Lake to be exact). Maybe there's something in your western air over there

: )

Pierre

Re: Igan and strep throat/Apple cider vinegar!

> >Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:23:26 +1100 (EST)

> >

> >

> >Dear Helen,

> >I developed Igan, (from a strep throat which gave me nephritis, inflamed

> >kidneys).I was told by my doctor, that if I had my tonsils, that the

> >strep,would not have travelled any further than my throat, (because the

> >tonsils are the policemen of the body. However my tonsils were whipped

out,

> >when I was 11 years old!

> >Because I have a high number of I.G.A proteins coating my nasal passages,

> >my throat & my stomach, my immune system is causing the slow

deterioration

> >of the filtration of my kidneys. I was also told to be very vigilant on

> >strep attacks, in future, because this could result in kidney failure.!!

> >Now for the good news!! Few people know this!!

> >Many doctors prescribe antibiotics for the destruction of strep. And

strep

> >is too powerful to be killed by antibiotics. One day I was visiting my

> >local beekeeping supply house, and I stumbled accross a folk medicine

book,

> >by a mr Jarvis.This book explained that (before milk was pasturised) in

the

> >early part of the last century;streptococci was prevalent in cows milk.

The

> >prevention was simple, after introducing apple cider vinegar into the

> >cattle feed, the strep had completely disapeared!! If you are unlucky

> >enough to have strep throat now, then gargle several times a day with

apple

> >cider vinegar, until the symptoms subside. If you have both Igan and a

> >strep throat, then dilute the vinegar to 3 parts water and one of

vinegar.

> >It is important to understand that strep infects the entire body, and

> >therefore the last part of the gargle should be swallowed, to disinfect

the

> >rest of your system.

> >Strep is often more prevalent in very dry climates. Since I moved from

dry

> >Alberta, to humid, coastal Australia, I have not had one attack of strep

in

> >15 years!

> >Hope this can help you. Although, children find it hard to swallow

vinegar,

> >I know!!!!!!

> >Sincerely,

> >Pete Hallam/Coffs Harbour/Australia.

> > Helen wrote:Does any one know if there is a

> >relationship between Igan and strep

> >throat?

> >

> >My daughter is six and was diagnosed with Igan in May. Since then,

> >everytime, she got sick, she got strep throat. This is her third

> >time since May. She got three streps in six months.

> >

> >I really have no idea how I can protect her from strep throat. I

> >know strep throat would hurt her kidney a lot. Just have no idea

> >what I can do.

> >

> >Need help and suggestion.

> >

> >Thanks a lot,

> >Helen

> >

> >

> >To edit your settings for the group, go to our Yahoo Group

> >home page:

> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iga-nephropathy/

> >Visit our companion website at www.igan.ca

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I too live in lovely southern Alberta.

>

> Theresa

Hi Theresa,

Do you live in Southern Alberta, Canada!! I have never met anyone

who had this disease, although I had heard there might be other

patients with igan in this area.

My son got igan after strep. Initially the GP thot it was post

strep glomu but when it didn't go away referred us on to ped, then

to ped neph at Alta Children's where he was diagnosed by biopsy.

Erna T

[Guest guest]

Dear Helen,

Apple cider vinegar is available in any supermarket. Organic, would have to be

the best!!

Apple cider vinegar is also good for lowering blood preasure! The daily amount

is a teaspoonful in a glass of water.

Also if you get dandruff, final rinse with A.C.V after the shampoo, and then

rinse with clear water. Your hair will also have the best shine. Foot note-----

do not put it through tinted hair, as the vinegar will take out the tint.

God Bless,

Pete Hallam.

" Pierre L (groups) " wrote:I've bought apple cider

vinegar in health food stores. They usually have

tons of it. Watch out for potassium though, if you are potassium restricted.

Pierre

Re: Igan and strep throat/Apple cider vinegar!

> Dear ,

>

> Thank you very much for the info.

>

> Do you know where I could get the apple cider vinegar? Is it sold in

> super market? Or drug store?

>

> Thanks,

> Helen

To edit your settings for the group, go to our Yahoo Group

home page:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iga-nephropathy/

Visit our companion website at www.igan.ca

[Guest guest]

Hi Derrick,

Yes I do have Igan.

Because I have the I.G.A. proteins coating my nasal passages, throat, and

stomach; this translates to an over active immune system (in other words, I

could get a lot of allergies if I were to consume dairy foods, or be exposed to

a lot of pollution, either in the air or in the food). So, summing up,

-------Because I was unlucky to have the strep, which attacked the most

vulnerable part of my body at that time, my kidneys.This resulted in Nephritis.

The Nephritis was quickly brought under control, with a course of antibiotics.

The continuing presence of protein in the urine, led to further investigstion (a

biopsy). The diagnosis was Igan-----a slow deteriorating of the filtration, due

to the I.G.A. proteins in my blood. How this occurs, I don't think anyone knows

yet! If I didn't have the I.G.A. proteins, I believe I would not have Igan.

I am fortunate to have the slow deteriorating filtration. Approximately 10% of

all diagnosed Igan cases have renal failure sooner or later. I was told by my

Kidney specialist in Alberta, that I am among the 90% of Igans diagnosed with

the slow variety, and could go to old age before any real trouble starts.

I avoid alcohol, dairy foods and red meats.

I gave away my trade----Ladies Hairdressing-----because I became allergic to all

the chemicals. Another fact-----many Hairdressers, who stay in the trade for

a long time develop kidney problems due to chemical exposure. Permanent wave

solutions destroy gas burner jets within a few years in Alberta.

The best thing to combat pollutants in the work place and at home------ are

negative

ionisers.

God Bless,

Pete Hallam.

Derrick Hartley wrote:,

Your email was extremely interesting and I am sure it will

generate interest in quite a few people. I have had my tonsils

removed, I live in a humid climate, I seldom get strep throat and the

next time I do, I will give your suggestion a go. Are you saying that

you still have IGAN but you think you have slowed down the process of

kidney degradation?

Derrick

Sydney, Australia

Does any one know if there is a

relationship between Igan and strep

> throat?

>

> My daughter is six and was diagnosed with Igan in May. Since then,

> everytime, she got sick, she got strep throat. This is her third

> time since May. She got three streps in six months.

>

> I really have no idea how I can protect her from strep throat. I

> know strep throat would hurt her kidney a lot. Just have no idea

> what I can do.

>

> Need help and suggestion.

>

> Thanks a lot,

> Helen

>

>

> To edit your settings for the group, go to our Yahoo Group

> home page:

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iga-nephropathy/

> Visit our companion website at www.igan.ca

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow Pete,

Hair treatment as a bonus! Thanks for sharing all the uses for Apple cider

vinegar.

[Guest guest]

:

I live in Lethbridge Alberta, Canada. Born and raised in Medicine Hat

Alberta. From my readings I was finding that IGAN was rare in this part of

the world. Sad to hear about your son being diagnosed. I'm only 23, and am

finding it hard to realize what life changes I need to make. Maybe for him

it'll be a bit easier as he is younger. I had strep for 4 months then 4

months later was diagnosed via a biopsy. I was told that I fall into the

category of needing a kidney transplant one day. So far my medication is

working. So maybe that day is far far away.

Theresa

>

>Reply-To: iga-nephropathy

>To: iga-nephropathy

>Subject: Re: Igan and strep throat/Apple cider vinegar!

>Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:40:19 -0000

>

>I too live in lovely southern Alberta.

> >

> > Theresa

>

>Hi Theresa,

>Do you live in Southern Alberta, Canada!! I have never met anyone

>who had this disease, although I had heard there might be other

>patients with igan in this area.

>My son got igan after strep. Initially the GP thot it was post

>strep glomu but when it didn't go away referred us on to ped, then

>to ped neph at Alta Children's where he was diagnosed by biopsy.

>Erna T

>

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[Guest guest]

Eh! Maybe I could use a little of that : )

Pierre

Re: Igan and strep throat/Apple cider vinegar!

> Wow Pete,

>

> Hair treatment as a bonus! Thanks for sharing all the uses for Apple

cider

> vinegar.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for that, makes sense, most interesting. I have reduced

my meat protien intake and I avoid alcohol. I too am susceptable to

allergies as you might expect but unfortunately I am progressing

towards ESRD fairly quickly now. I am just waiting for the nod frommy

nephrologist.

Derrick

Sydney, Australia

Does any one know if there is a

> relationship between Igan and strep

> > throat?

> >

> > My daughter is six and was diagnosed with Igan in May. Since

then,

> > everytime, she got sick, she got strep throat. This is her third

> > time since May. She got three streps in six months.

> >

> > I really have no idea how I can protect her from strep throat. I

> > know strep throat would hurt her kidney a lot. Just have no idea

> > what I can do.

> >

> > Need help and suggestion.

> >

> > Thanks a lot,

> > Helen

> >

> >

> > To edit your settings for the group, go to our Yahoo Group

> > home page:

> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iga-nephropathy/

> > Visit our companion website at www.igan.ca

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Theresa,

Just be kind to yourself, and you will be ok. Meditation works wonders!!

And should be practiced daily.

Pete Hallam.

Theresa Lerner wrote::

I live in Lethbridge Alberta, Canada. Born and raised in Medicine Hat

Alberta. From my readings I was finding that IGAN was rare in this part of

the world. Sad to hear about your son being diagnosed. I'm only 23, and am

finding it hard to realize what life changes I need to make. Maybe for him

it'll be a bit easier as he is younger. I had strep for 4 months then 4

months later was diagnosed via a biopsy. I was told that I fall into the

category of needing a kidney transplant one day. So far my medication is

working. So maybe that day is far far away.

Theresa

>

>Reply-To: iga-nephropathy

>To: iga-nephropathy

>Subject: Re: Igan and strep throat/Apple cider vinegar!

>Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:40:19 -0000

>

>I too live in lovely southern Alberta.

> >

> > Theresa

>

>Hi Theresa,

>Do you live in Southern Alberta, Canada!! I have never met anyone

>who had this disease, although I had heard there might be other

>patients with igan in this area.

>My son got igan after strep. Initially the GP thot it was post

>strep glomu but when it didn't go away referred us on to ped, then

>to ped neph at Alta Children's where he was diagnosed by biopsy.

>Erna T

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Theresa,

Just be kind to yourself, and you will be ok. Meditation works wonders!!

And should be practiced daily.

Pete Hallam.

Theresa Lerner wrote::

I live in Lethbridge Alberta, Canada. Born and raised in Medicine Hat

Alberta. From my readings I was finding that IGAN was rare in this part of

the world. Sad to hear about your son being diagnosed. I'm only 23, and am

finding it hard to realize what life changes I need to make. Maybe for him

it'll be a bit easier as he is younger. I had strep for 4 months then 4

months later was diagnosed via a biopsy. I was told that I fall into the

category of needing a kidney transplant one day. So far my medication is

working. So maybe that day is far far away.

Theresa

>

>Reply-To: iga-nephropathy

>To: iga-nephropathy

>Subject: Re: Igan and strep throat/Apple cider vinegar!

>Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:40:19 -0000

>

>I too live in lovely southern Alberta.

> >

> > Theresa

>

>Hi Theresa,

>Do you live in Southern Alberta, Canada!! I have never met anyone

>who had this disease, although I had heard there might be other

>patients with igan in this area.

>My son got igan after strep. Initially the GP thot it was post

>strep glomu but when it didn't go away referred us on to ped, then

>to ped neph at Alta Children's where he was diagnosed by biopsy.

>Erna T

>

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