Re: Siuggestions for getting better

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for the list, Rogene. I've been doing most of the basic things on the list for a long time, but there are some I have not tried-- FAR infared, liver flushes. . . I will look into those more deeply.

I would add to the list a few other things that have helped me immensely:

~Green powders like Green Vibrance (and ashitaba if one can afford it!)

~Modified Citrus Pectin (a proven heavy-metal chelator and cancer preventative)

~fish oil (I take 5 grams per day)

~lots of dark-colored berries(have the highest level of antioxidants of all common foods)

~seaweed

~wild mushrooms

~ashwaganda(ayurvedic equivalent to ginseng)

~tumeric

~dead sea salt( I mix it with epsom salts in the bath)- there have been studies on its usage for rheumatics and fibro sufferers

~5-htp- works well for me for sleep-- I rarely wake up at night now

~Last but not least, green tea! There are so many studies showing its benefits for preventing cancer and disease-- I drink it and also take decaf green tea supplements-- I think the best is Teavigo--three caps a day is equivalent to ten cups of tea, a therapuetic dose.

Bindi

Siuggestions for getting better

Bindi . . .

Regardless of how slow you progress, don't give up! . . . You will get better, but it can time, along with a lot of trial and error. IMHO, I'll try anything that doesn't hold the possibility of making me worse.

It's been twelve years since my implants were removed, and I'm still learning and getting better. Recently, I had extensive blood testing done and EVERYTHING was in the normal range. . . I sensed a change in the attitude of my doctor when he saw the tests. He was treating me like a non-compliant patient because I wasn't ready to jump on all the medications he offered. . . Now he's supportive!

Here's some things to consider:

Deep massage therapy

Liver flushes

Epsom Salt baths

Clay baths

FAR infrared therapy

The Maker's Diet (with recommended supplements)

No microwave foods

No pork

No sugar

No refined grains

No Coffee

No alcohol

Moderate exercise

Ensure you are getting sufficient deep sleep (the only thing I need a med for)

Yoga

Meditation

Probiotics (Garden of Life Primal Defense is very effective)

Raw, crushed, fresh garlic - as may as 12 cloves a day (start slow)

Additional Calcium and Magnesium (2 parts Calicum to 1 part Magnesium)

Rebounding (clears lymph system)

1/2 ounce of non-chlorinated water per pound of body weight daily

Coffee Enemas

Fasting

Naturopathic health practioner

Anger/stress management

Ionic foot baths

Detox foot pads

Use Sea Salt, not table salt

Replace Oils with Coconut oil (start slow)

Consider Alkaline and iodine drops

Oil of Oregano

Grapefruit seed extract

And last, but not least, Prayer!

I'm sure there are more!

One note . . . try one new thing at a time . . . if it's something you need to incorporate into your life style, get comfortable with one thing before starting another. You're bound to fail if you try to do too much at one time because changes cause stress.

Also, know that you may experience a 'Herximer" (herx) effect when a detox method hits its target. If you get too uncomfortable, you need to back off for a while, then start more slowly to give your body time to pass the toxins released.

The ability of the body to heal is incredible. However, you must give your body the raw materials it needs! . . . It's not quick, but the results are well worth the effort!

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Thanks! tea source: http://www.vitacost.com/NSITeavigo freebindi <bindi@...> wrote: Thanks so much for the list, Rogene. I've been doing most of the basic things on the list for a long time, but there are some I have not tried-- FAR infared, liver flushes. . . I will look into those more deeply. I would add to the list a few other things that have helped me immensely: ~Green powders like Green Vibrance (and ashitaba if one can afford it!) ~Modified Citrus Pectin (a proven heavy-metal chelator and cancer preventative) ~fish oil (I take 5 grams per day) ~lots of dark-colored berries(have the highest level of antioxidants of all common foods) ~seaweed ~wild mushrooms ~ashwaganda(ayurvedic equivalent to ginseng) ~tumeric ~dead sea salt( I mix it with epsom salts in the bath)- there have

been studies on its usage for rheumatics and fibro sufferers ~5-htp- works well for me for sleep-- I rarely wake up at night now ~Last but not least, green tea! There are so many studies showing its benefits for preventing cancer and disease-- I drink it and also take decaf green tea supplements-- I think the best is Teavigo--three caps a day is equivalent to ten cups of tea, a therapuetic dose. Bindi Siuggestions for getting better Bindi . . . Regardless of how slow you progress, don't give up! . . . You will get better, but it can time, along with a lot of trial and error. IMHO, I'll try anything that doesn't hold the possibility of making me worse. It's been twelve years since my implants were removed, and I'm still learning and getting better. Recently, I had extensive blood testing done and EVERYTHING was in the normal range. . . I sensed a change in the attitude of my doctor when he saw the tests. He was treating me like a non-compliant patient because I wasn't ready to

jump on all the medications he offered. . . Now he's supportive! Here's some things to consider: Deep massage therapy Liver flushes Epsom Salt baths Clay baths FAR infrared therapy The Maker's Diet (with recommended supplements) No microwave foods No pork No sugar No refined grains No Coffee No alcohol Moderate exercise Ensure you are getting sufficient deep sleep (the only thing I need a med for) Yoga Meditation Probiotics (Garden of Life Primal Defense is very effective) Raw, crushed, fresh garlic - as may as 12 cloves a day (start slow) Additional Calcium and Magnesium (2 parts Calicum to 1 part Magnesium) Rebounding (clears lymph system) 1/2 ounce of non-chlorinated water

per pound of body weight daily Coffee Enemas Fasting Naturopathic health practioner Anger/stress management Ionic foot baths Detox foot pads Use Sea Salt, not table salt Replace Oils with Coconut oil (start slow) Consider Alkaline and iodine drops Oil of Oregano Grapefruit seed extract And last, but not least, Prayer! I'm sure there are more! One note . . . try one new thing at a time . . . if it's something you need to incorporate into your life style, get comfortable with one thing before starting another. You're bound to fail if you try to do too much at one time because changes cause stress. Also, know that you may experience a 'Herximer" (herx) effect when a detox method hits its target. If you get too

uncomfortable, you need to back off for a while, then start more slowly to give your body time to pass the toxins released. The ability of the body to heal is incredible. However, you must give your body the raw materials it needs! . . . It's not quick, but the results are well worth the effort! Hugs and prayers, Rogene

[Guest guest]

> It's been twelve years since my implants were removed, and I'm still

> learning and getting better. Recently, I had extensive blood testing

> done and EVERYTHING was in the normal range. . . I sensed a change in

> the attitude of my doctor when he saw the tests. He was treating me

> like a non-compliant patient because I wasn't ready to jump on all the

> medications he offered. . . Now he's supportive!

Rogene, how do you get your doctor to order the proper tests? Most

doctors order what they think is necessary not what you think is

necessary! LOL! I would love to get some follow blood testing done

that would show where I've been and where I am now. 'Course my doctors

believe silicone is inert and causes no problems in the body. So, all

my rheumatologist will talk about is what she's treating me for--I think

it's rheumatoid arthritis now! LOL! It isn't even my joints that

bother me anymore! How can I get her to listen? I'm about to fly to

Houston to see that doctor , Center for Immune,

Environmental and Toxic Disorders, who says they treat silicone breast

implant problems. I know nothing about him--he's probably a quack!

Does anyone know him? or been treated by him? or know someone who has?

I'm feeling desperate!

[Guest guest]

Dianne, I get tested the hard way. I had breast cancer last Jan. They are following me very closely with all sorts of tests. . . And good about doing tests I request. It's at UAMS - a research center. I understand Dr. is excellent. I don't think he's into detox tho. You usually need a natuopath for that. They do a lot of testing too. I'd suggest yalking to Kenda about her doc. IMHO, Unless you have a legal need for verification, tests are a waste of time and money . . . everything will change after detoxing. I broke my right arm just abone the wrist yesterday . . . bad fall while doing yard work. It's a good break, if there is such a thing. No surgery required. It's a big ouch though. I won't be typing much. Rogene Crocker <dwcrn@...>

wrote: > It's been twelve years since my implants were removed, and I'm still > learning and getting better. Recently, I had extensive blood testing > done and EVERYTHING was in the normal range. . . I sensed a change in > the attitude of my doctor when he saw the tests. He was treating me > like a non-compliant patient because I wasn't ready to jump on all the > medications he offered. . . Now he's supportive!Rogene, how do you get your doctor to order the proper tests? Most doctors order what they

think is necessary not what you think is necessary! LOL! I would love to get some follow blood testing done that would show where I've been and where I am now. 'Course my doctors believe silicone is inert and causes no problems in the body. So, all my rheumatologist will talk about is what she's treating me for--I think it's rheumatoid arthritis now! LOL! It isn't even my joints that bother me anymore! How can I get her to listen? I'm about to fly to Houston to see that doctor , Center for Immune, Environmental and Toxic Disorders, who says they treat silicone breast implant problems. I know nothing about him--he's probably a quack! Does anyone know him? or been treated by him? or know someone who has? I'm feeling desperate!

[Guest guest]

Rogene wrote...

> Also, know that you may experience a 'Herximer " (herx) effect when a

> detox method hits its target. If you get too uncomfortable, you need

> to back off for a while, then start more slowly to give your body time

> to pass the toxins released.

Help! What is a 'Herximer' effect?

(full of questions)

[Guest guest]

Sometimes when you take an anti-fungal or do a detox, you get a sick

feeling as the toxins are released, before they leave the body. That

is a herx.

Lynda

At 07:43 AM 11/2/2006, you wrote:

>Rogene wrote...

>

> > Also, know that you may experience a 'Herximer " (herx) effect when a

> > detox method hits its target. If you get too uncomfortable, you need

> > to back off for a while, then start more slowly to give your body time

> > to pass the toxins released.

>

>Help! What is a 'Herximer' effect?

>

> (full of questions)

>

[Guest guest]

Rogene, Ouch! Sorry to hear about your arm! Hope it gets better very quickly!Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote: Dianne, I get tested the hard way. I had breast cancer last Jan. They are following me very closely with all sorts of tests. . . And good about doing tests I request. It's at UAMS - a research center. I understand Dr. is excellent. I don't think he's into detox tho. You usually need a natuopath for that. They

do a lot of testing too. I'd suggest yalking to Kenda about her doc. IMHO, Unless you have a legal need for verification, tests are a waste of time and money . . . everything will change after detoxing. I broke my right arm just abone the wrist yesterday . . . bad fall while doing yard work. It's a good break, if there is such a thing. No surgery required. It's a big ouch though. I won't be typing much. Rogene Crocker <dwcrncharter (DOT) net> wrote: > It's been twelve years since my implants were removed, and I'm still > learning and getting better. Recently, I had extensive blood testing > done and EVERYTHING was in the normal range. . . I sensed a change in > the attitude

of my doctor when he saw the tests. He was treating me > like a non-compliant patient because I wasn't ready to jump on all the > medications he offered. . . Now he's supportive!Rogene, how do you get your doctor to order the proper tests? Most doctors order what they think is necessary not what you think is necessary! LOL! I would love to get some follow blood testing done that would show where I've been and where I am now. 'Course my doctors believe silicone is inert and causes no problems in the body. So, all my rheumatologist will talk about is what she's treating me for--I think it's rheumatoid arthritis now! LOL! It isn't even my joints that bother me anymore! How can I get her to listen? I'm about to fly to Houston to see that doctor , Center for Immune, Environmental and Toxic Disorders, who says they treat silicone breast implant problems. I know nothing about him--he's probably a quack!

Does anyone know him? or been treated by him? or know someone who has? I'm feeling desperate!

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[Guest guest]

Rogene,

Sorry to hear about your arm. Hope it heals up soon.

Yard work in November-- the weather must be decent where you are. We're having our first real rain today.

Bindi

Re: Re: Siuggestions for getting better

Dianne,

I get tested the hard way. I had breast cancer last Jan. They are following me very closely with all sorts of tests. . . And good about doing tests I request. It's at UAMS - a research center.

I understand Dr. is excellent. I don't think he's into detox tho. You usually need a natuopath for that. They do a lot of testing too. I'd suggest yalking to Kenda about her doc.

IMHO, Unless you have a legal need for verification, tests are a waste of time and money . . . everything will change after detoxing.

I broke my right arm just abone the wrist yesterday . . . bad fall while doing yard work. It's a good break, if there is such a thing. No surgery required. It's a big ouch though. I won't be typing much.

Rogene

Crocker <dwcrncharter (DOT) net> wrote:

> It's been twelve years since my implants were removed, and I'm still > learning and getting better. Recently, I had extensive blood testing > done and EVERYTHING was in the normal range. . . I sensed a change in > the attitude of my doctor when he saw the tests. He was treating me > like a non-compliant patient because I wasn't ready to jump on all the > medications he offered. . . Now he's supportive!Rogene, how do you get your doctor to order the proper tests? Most doctors order what they think is necessary not what you think is necessary! LOL! I would love to get some follow blood testing done that would show where I've been and where I am now. 'Course my doctors believe silicone is inert and causes no problems in the body. So, all my rheumatologist will talk about is what she's treating me for--I think it's rheumatoid arthritis now! LOL! It isn't even my joints that bother me anymore! How can I get her to listen? I'm about to fly to Houston to see that doctor , Center for Immune, Environmental and Toxic Disorders, who says they treat silicone breast implant problems. I know nothing about him--he's probably a quack! Does anyone know him? or been treated by him? or know someone who has? I'm feeling desperate!

[Guest guest]

-Rogene,

That is so painful, You poor lady take care of yourself, Here is a

prayer from Hawaii,

Love and aloha

Terri P

-- In , Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote:

>

> Dianne,

>

> I get tested the hard way. I had breast cancer last Jan. They are

following me very closely with all sorts of tests. . . And good about

doing tests I request. It's at UAMS - a research center.

>

> I understand Dr. is excellent. I don't think he's into

detox tho. You usually need a natuopath for that. They do a lot of

testing too. I'd suggest yalking to Kenda about her doc.

>

> IMHO, Unless you have a legal need for verification, tests are a

waste of time and money . . . everything will change after detoxing.

>

> I broke my right arm just abone the wrist yesterday . . . bad

fall while doing yard work. It's a good break, if there is such a

thing. No surgery required. It's a big ouch though. I won't be typing

much.

>

> Rogene

>

>

>

> Crocker <dwcrn@...> wrote:

> > It's been twelve years since my implants were removed,

and I'm still

> > learning and getting better. Recently, I had extensive blood

testing

> > done and EVERYTHING was in the normal range. . . I sensed a

change in

> > the attitude of my doctor when he saw the tests. He was treating

me

> > like a non-compliant patient because I wasn't ready to jump on

all the

> > medications he offered. . . Now he's supportive!

>

> Rogene, how do you get your doctor to order the proper tests? Most

> doctors order what they think is necessary not what you think is

> necessary! LOL! I would love to get some follow blood testing done

> that would show where I've been and where I am now. 'Course my

doctors

> believe silicone is inert and causes no problems in the body. So,

all

> my rheumatologist will talk about is what she's treating me for--I

think

> it's rheumatoid arthritis now! LOL! It isn't even my joints that

> bother me anymore! How can I get her to listen? I'm about to fly to

> Houston to see that doctor , Center for Immune,

> Environmental and Toxic Disorders, who says they treat silicone

breast

> implant problems. I know nothing about him--he's probably a quack!

> Does anyone know him? or been treated by him? or know someone who

has?

> I'm feeling desperate!

>

>

[Guest guest]

We are having one of our most coloful falls. beautiful!freebindi <bindi@...> wrote: Rogene, Sorry to hear about your arm. Hope it heals up soon. Yard work in November-- the weather must be decent where you are. We're having our first real rain today. Bindi -----

Original Message ----- From: Rogene S Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 5:11 AM Subject: Re: Re: Siuggestions for getting better Dianne, I get tested the hard way. I had breast cancer last Jan. They are following me very closely with all sorts of tests. . . And good about doing tests I request. It's at UAMS - a research center. I understand Dr. is excellent. I don't think he's into detox tho. You usually need a natuopath for that. They do a lot

of testing too. I'd suggest yalking to Kenda about her doc. IMHO, Unless you have a legal need for verification, tests are a waste of time and money . . . everything will change after detoxing. I broke my right arm just abone the wrist yesterday . . . bad fall while doing yard work. It's a good break, if there is such a thing. No surgery required. It's a big ouch though. I won't be typing much. Rogene Crocker <dwcrncharter (DOT) net> wrote: > It's been twelve years since my implants were removed, and I'm still > learning and getting better. Recently, I had extensive blood testing > done and EVERYTHING was in the normal range. . . I sensed a change in > the attitude of my

doctor when he saw the tests. He was treating me > like a non-compliant patient because I wasn't ready to jump on all the > medications he offered. . . Now he's supportive!Rogene, how do you get your doctor to order the proper tests? Most doctors order what they think is necessary not what you think is necessary! LOL! I would love to get some follow blood testing done that would show where I've been and where I am now. 'Course my doctors believe silicone is inert and causes no problems in the body. So, all my rheumatologist will talk about is what she's treating me for--I think it's rheumatoid arthritis now! LOL! It isn't even my joints that bother me anymore! How can I get her to listen? I'm about to fly to Houston to see that doctor , Center for Immune, Environmental and Toxic Disorders, who says they treat silicone breast implant problems. I know nothing about him--he's probably a quack!

Does anyone know him? or been treated by him? or know someone who has? I'm feeling desperate!

[Guest guest]

ME TOO!Leyna <leyna1964@...> wrote: Rogene, Ouch! Sorry to hear about your arm! Hope it gets better very quickly!Rogene S <saxony01 > wrote: Dianne, I get tested the hard way. I had breast cancer last Jan. They are following me very closely with all sorts of tests. . . And good about doing tests I

request. It's at UAMS - a research center. I understand Dr. is excellent. I don't think he's into detox tho. You usually need a natuopath for that. They do a lot of testing too. I'd suggest yalking to Kenda about her doc. IMHO, Unless you have a legal need for verification, tests are a waste of time and money . . . everything will change after detoxing. I broke my right arm just abone the wrist yesterday . . . bad fall while doing yard work. It's a good break, if there is such a thing. No surgery required. It's a big ouch though. I won't be typing much. Rogene Crocker <dwcrncharter (DOT) net> wrote: > It's been twelve years since my implants were removed,

and I'm still > learning and getting better. Recently, I had extensive blood testing > done and EVERYTHING was in the normal range. . . I sensed a change in > the attitude of my doctor when he saw the tests. He was treating me > like a non-compliant patient because I wasn't ready to jump on all the > medications he offered. . . Now he's supportive!Rogene, how do you get your doctor to order the proper tests? Most doctors order what they think is necessary not what you think is necessary! LOL! I would love to get some follow blood testing done that would show where I've been and where I am now. 'Course my doctors believe silicone is inert and causes no problems in the body. So, all my rheumatologist will talk about is what she's treating me for--I think it's rheumatoid arthritis now! LOL! It isn't even my joints that bother me anymore! How can I get her to listen? I'm about to fly to Houston to see

that doctor , Center for Immune, Environmental and Toxic Disorders, who says they treat silicone breast implant problems. I know nothing about him--he's probably a quack! Does anyone know him? or been treated by him? or know someone who has? I'm feeling desperate! Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business.

[Guest guest]

Bindi,

I am wondering if indeed the green powders are helping you or not. I only ask because of my own experience with them, which was not good--they increased my brain fog and dizziness--and the fact that one of our doctors who understands breast implant associated illness also suggests that the green powders may not be good for us due to increasing the cytokines. Some of us already have elevated cytokine activity, so even more may not be good for us. Cytokines increase the inflammatory response. Not good for us! We already have too much inflammation.

Here is what she has written, from this link:

http://www.siliconebreastimplant.homestead.com/Message_Center.html

The clinical picture we see in these women is that of increased level of

cytokines which explains why Plaquenil is effective.

and here: http://www.plastikos.com/silc_FAQ.htm

Silicone and other substances can be released from the macrophages along with substances called cytokines that can lead to inflammatory states.

Several websites point out that both spirulina and chlorella increases inflammatory cytokines:

http://www.diagnose-me.com/treat/T63897.html

Chlorella increases TH1 cytokines to help balance the immune system. Other algae products may have similar benefits.

http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsSupplements/Spirulinacs.html

Immune EnhancementAnimal and test tube studies suggest that spirulina increases production of antibodies, cytokines (infection fighting proteins), and other cells that improve immunity and help ward off infection and chronic illnesses such as cancer.

I just wanted to share this information with you Bindi, in the hopes that perhaps that will help your dizziness and brain fog. I find that I cannot tolerate pro-inflammatory supplements, and that I must concentrate on the anti-inflammatory supplements instead.

Patty

Siuggestions for getting better

Bindi . . .

Regardless of how slow you progress, don't give up! . . . You will get better, but it can time, along with a lot of trial and error. IMHO, I'll try anything that doesn't hold the possibility of making me worse.

It's been twelve years since my implants were removed, and I'm still learning and getting better. Recently, I had extensive blood testing done and EVERYTHING was in the normal range. . . I sensed a change in the attitude of my doctor when he saw the tests. He was treating me like a non-compliant patient because I wasn't ready to jump on all the medications he offered. . . Now he's supportive!

Here's some things to consider:

Deep massage therapy

Liver flushes

Epsom Salt baths

Clay baths

FAR infrared therapy

The Maker's Diet (with recommended supplements)

No microwave foods

No pork

No sugar

No refined grains

No Coffee

No alcohol

Moderate exercise

Ensure you are getting sufficient deep sleep (the only thing I need a med for)

Yoga

Meditation

Probiotics (Garden of Life Primal Defense is very effective)

Raw, crushed, fresh garlic - as may as 12 cloves a day (start slow)

Additional Calcium and Magnesium (2 parts Calicum to 1 part Magnesium)

Rebounding (clears lymph system)

1/2 ounce of non-chlorinated water per pound of body weight daily

Coffee Enemas

Fasting

Naturopathic health practioner

Anger/stress management

Ionic foot baths

Detox foot pads

Use Sea Salt, not table salt

Replace Oils with Coconut oil (start slow)

Consider Alkaline and iodine drops

Oil of Oregano

Grapefruit seed extract

And last, but not least, Prayer!

I'm sure there are more!

One note . . . try one new thing at a time . . . if it's something you need to incorporate into your life style, get comfortable with one thing before starting another. You're bound to fail if you try to do too much at one time because changes cause stress.

Also, know that you may experience a 'Herximer" (herx) effect when a detox method hits its target. If you get too uncomfortable, you need to back off for a while, then start more slowly to give your body time to pass the toxins released.

The ability of the body to heal is incredible. However, you must give your body the raw materials it needs! . . . It's not quick, but the results are well worth the effort!

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Rogene,

I am so sorry to hear of your broken arm! Ah! That's awful! How long will you be in a cast?

You are so very lucky that you won't require surgery! One of our employees suffered a broken wrist after being pushed by someone. It was his right arm too, and he is undergoing alot of painful therapy, including having his bone re-broken to set it, surgery to include pins and plates, physical therapy and more surgery down the road. It just sounds horrible.

Thank God you don't have to go through all that! I hope you feel much, much better and will be out of that cast in no time flat. You are a healthy woman, so I am hopeful that you are healing fast as a result!

Patty

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I broke my right arm just abone the wrist yesterday . . . bad fall while doing yard work. It's a good break, if there is such a thing. No surgery required. It's a big ouch though. I won't be typing much.

Rogene

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Patty,

Thanks so much for your insight into cytokines. I had not thought of this. I will definitely look into it. Do you know if there is a cytokine activity test? Could it be the same as the test for inflammation? I have had two blood tests for inflammation and I've always tested "normal."

I started taking Green Vibrance powder back when I was REALLY sick. I had lost a lot of weight so I thought the powder would help with some lost nutrients. For some months, it was the only supplement I took, as I was too nauseated to take any of those I had been using before. I began to feel significantly better after using the powder. In addition to some "green" powders, Green Vibrance contains many other anti-inflammatory nutrients, as well as enzymes, probiotics, seaweeds, adaptogens, etc. I wonder if the anti-inflammatory nutrients are cancelling out the inflammatory ones? Hmm. All I know is that I felt better when I used it. My dizziness has been better lately, but I think I'll still take a break from the green powder and see if it makes any difference.

Thanks again!

Bindi

Siuggestions for getting better

Bindi . . .

Regardless of how slow you progress, don't give up! . . . You will get better, but it can time, along with a lot of trial and error. IMHO, I'll try anything that doesn't hold the possibility of making me worse.

It's been twelve years since my implants were removed, and I'm still learning and getting better. Recently, I had extensive blood testing done and EVERYTHING was in the normal range. . . I sensed a change in the attitude of my doctor when he saw the tests. He was treating me like a non-compliant patient because I wasn't ready to jump on all the medications he offered. . . Now he's supportive!

Here's some things to consider:

Deep massage therapy

Liver flushes

Epsom Salt baths

Clay baths

FAR infrared therapy

The Maker's Diet (with recommended supplements)

No microwave foods

No pork

No sugar

No refined grains

No Coffee

No alcohol

Moderate exercise

Ensure you are getting sufficient deep sleep (the only thing I need a med for)

Yoga

Meditation

Probiotics (Garden of Life Primal Defense is very effective)

Raw, crushed, fresh garlic - as may as 12 cloves a day (start slow)

Additional Calcium and Magnesium (2 parts Calicum to 1 part Magnesium)

Rebounding (clears lymph system)

1/2 ounce of non-chlorinated water per pound of body weight daily

Coffee Enemas

Fasting

Naturopathic health practioner

Anger/stress management

Ionic foot baths

Detox foot pads

Use Sea Salt, not table salt

Replace Oils with Coconut oil (start slow)

Consider Alkaline and iodine drops

Oil of Oregano

Grapefruit seed extract

And last, but not least, Prayer!

I'm sure there are more!

One note . . . try one new thing at a time . . . if it's something you need to incorporate into your life style, get comfortable with one thing before starting another. You're bound to fail if you try to do too much at one time because changes cause stress.

Also, know that you may experience a 'Herximer" (herx) effect when a detox method hits its target. If you get too uncomfortable, you need to back off for a while, then start more slowly to give your body time to pass the toxins released.

The ability of the body to heal is incredible. However, you must give your body the raw materials it needs! . . . It's not quick, but the results are well worth the effort!

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Hmmm, not sure of a cytokine activity test? Maybe you can ask your doctor about it. Or write Dr. Kolb and see what she has to say, since she is pretty knowledgeable about cytokine activity as related to breast implants.

Patty

Siuggestions for getting better

Bindi . . .

Regardless of how slow you progress, don't give up! . . . You will get better, but it can time, along with a lot of trial and error. IMHO, I'll try anything that doesn't hold the possibility of making me worse.

It's been twelve years since my implants were removed, and I'm still learning and getting better. Recently, I had extensive blood testing done and EVERYTHING was in the normal range. . . I sensed a change in the attitude of my doctor when he saw the tests. He was treating me like a non-compliant patient because I wasn't ready to jump on all the medications he offered. . . Now he's supportive!

Here's some things to consider:

Deep massage therapy

Liver flushes

Epsom Salt baths

Clay baths

FAR infrared therapy

The Maker's Diet (with recommended supplements)

No microwave foods

No pork

No sugar

No refined grains

No Coffee

No alcohol

Moderate exercise

Ensure you are getting sufficient deep sleep (the only thing I need a med for)

Yoga

Meditation

Probiotics (Garden of Life Primal Defense is very effective)

Raw, crushed, fresh garlic - as may as 12 cloves a day (start slow)

Additional Calcium and Magnesium (2 parts Calicum to 1 part Magnesium)

Rebounding (clears lymph system)

1/2 ounce of non-chlorinated water per pound of body weight daily

Coffee Enemas

Fasting

Naturopathic health practioner

Anger/stress management

Ionic foot baths

Detox foot pads

Use Sea Salt, not table salt

Replace Oils with Coconut oil (start slow)

Consider Alkaline and iodine drops

Oil of Oregano

Grapefruit seed extract

And last, but not least, Prayer!

I'm sure there are more!

One note . . . try one new thing at a time . . . if it's something you need to incorporate into your life style, get comfortable with one thing before starting another. You're bound to fail if you try to do too much at one time because changes cause stress.

Also, know that you may experience a 'Herximer" (herx) effect when a detox method hits its target. If you get too uncomfortable, you need to back off for a while, then start more slowly to give your body time to pass the toxins released.

The ability of the body to heal is incredible. However, you must give your body the raw materials it needs! . . . It's not quick, but the results are well worth the effort!

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

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Five more weeks! Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...> wrote: Rogene, I am so sorry to hear of your broken arm! Ah! That's awful! How long will you be in a cast? You are so very lucky that you won't require surgery! One of our employees suffered a broken wrist after being pushed by someone. It was his right arm too, and he is undergoing alot of painful therapy, including having his bone re-broken to set it, surgery to include pins and plates, physical therapy and more surgery down the road. It just sounds horrible. Thank God you don't have to go through all that! I hope you feel much, much better and will be out of that cast in no time flat. You are a healthy woman, so I am hopeful that you are healing fast as a result! Patty Re: Re: Siuggestions for getting better I broke my right arm just abone the wrist yesterday . . . bad fall while doing yard work. It's a good break, if there is such a thing. No surgery required. It's a big ouch though. I won't be typing much. Rogene Recent

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Hi Rogene

It has been quite a while since I have been able to get on site

again. But I just wanted to say that I was sorry to hear that you

broke your arm. How did you fall? How long until it heals? Other

than that, how have you been feeling? I would love an update. I

have been doing really well overall. Take care

Love, Kathy

> > It's been twelve years since my implants were removed, and

I'm still

> > learning and getting better. Recently, I had extensive blood

testing

> > done and EVERYTHING was in the normal range. . . I sensed a

change in

> > the attitude of my doctor when he saw the tests. He was

treating me

> > like a non-compliant patient because I wasn't ready to jump

on all the

> > medications he offered. . . Now he's supportive!

>

> Rogene, how do you get your doctor to order the proper tests?

Most

> doctors order what they think is necessary not what you think

is

> necessary! LOL! I would love to get some follow blood testing

done

> that would show where I've been and where I am now. 'Course my

doctors

> believe silicone is inert and causes no problems in the body.

So, all

> my rheumatologist will talk about is what she's treating me

for--I think

> it's rheumatoid arthritis now! LOL! It isn't even my joints

that

> bother me anymore! How can I get her to listen? I'm about to

fly to

> Houston to see that doctor , Center for Immune,

> Environmental and Toxic Disorders, who says they treat

silicone breast

> implant problems. I know nothing about him--he's probably a

quack!

> Does anyone know him? or been treated by him? or know someone

who has?

> I'm feeling desperate!

>

>

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Thanks Kathy, We were mucking out the fish pond in the back yard . . .I was wearing boots that I'm not accustomed to, carrying a shovel of muck in front of me. I either lost my balance, or didn't see the top stair before tumbling off the side of the stairs. The cast is giving me more trouble than my arm. . . .Hubby has cut it down considerably - but is going to cut it down more. Think of a firm handshake you can't take your hand away from. This has been one of my most frustrating experiences ever! . . . At least the end is in sight. Otherwise, things have been going well! . . . We've been traveling a lot . . . little time for pottery . . but otherwise enjoying life! Good to hear from you! Rogene

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Well I am glad to hear that you are near the end of your confinement!

And I am really glad to hear that you are doing well and

travelling. Been to dallas lately? Tom just drove up here from

Dallas last night. It took him twelve hours. Are you done with the

treatments for cancer? Are you still on that supplement--was it

ncd? Do you think it helped? Are you still taking gluamine? I

would like to know your current protocol. Thanks

Love, Kathy

-- In , Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks Kathy,

>

> We were mucking out the fish pond in the back yard . . .I was

wearing boots that I'm not accustomed to, carrying a shovel of muck

in front of me. I either lost my balance, or didn't see the top

stair before tumbling off the side of the stairs.

>

> The cast is giving me more trouble than my arm. . . .Hubby has

cut it down considerably - but is going to cut it down more. Think

of a firm handshake you can't take your hand away from. This has

been one of my most frustrating experiences ever! . . . At least the

end is in sight.

>

> Otherwise, things have been going well! . . . We've been

traveling a lot . . . little time for pottery . . but otherwise

enjoying life!

>

> Good to hear from you!

>

> Rogene

>

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We were in Dallas about a month ago . . . hope to spend some time there during the Christmas holiday. I'm still taking NCD . . . It would be hard to tell if it's protecting me from cancer - the only way to know it isn't working would be to develop cancer again . . . Otherwise, I'm done with treatments. I'm being closely followed by my doctors. . . More tests than I knew possible. But I'm passing all tests with flying colors! . . . My cholesterol, blood pressure, bone density, EVERYTHING is well within normal. (except my weight - I need to lose) My slightly elevated liver enzymes reverted to normal after using detox foot pads. I still use them occasionally. My job now is to keep it that way! I would be using the sauna, but I don't want to sweat under this cast. . .Otherwise, I'm just trying to eat healthy, keep my life in balance and take a few vitamin

supplements. I get regular therapeutic massages. I'm not taking glutamine because I ran across some warnings on it. I was completely free of muscle and joint pain while on it though. My arm hasn't stopped me from much . . We were dancing in just a few days. It's more frustrating than anything. I'm touch typing with one hand, hunting and pecking with one finger with my right hand because I have no wrist rotation with this cast. When I think of some of the health issues our G.I.'s are dealing with, I feel like a wimp! Rogene