Re: WHAT is wrong with my cleanses?!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/6/02 10:49:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,

suzanne_on_ca@... writes:

> Any words of encouragement or help would be extremely appreciated.

>

> Thank you for listening,

>

> Suzanne

>

Hi Suzanne

I'm sure you will get some much more specific help from people who know far

more than I do, but I wanted to offer this much. I just wanted to say

that the fact that you didn't see stones doesn't mean that your flush wasn't

successful. Was there chaff? If so, that's a positive sign right there.

I have read that calcified stones are harder to budge than the cholesterol

ones (I think they are both harder and heavier), so don't lose heart if it

takes a while longer. Keep in mind that they have likely been in there for

a long time and settled in. This flush might possibly have dislodged them and

then the subsequent ones will carry them out, too.

I appreciate you sharing your experience because there are others out there

who have had similar experiences but just didn't write about them and it's

probably encouraging to them to know that they aren't alone.

Each body is different and some people see incredible results with every

cleanse and others vary. But regardless of what you see with your eyes,

flushing the liver is a very healthy and productive thing for you to do. I

know it's frustrating when you can't see the results, but they are there.

And given time you'll get those stones out!

In health,

[Guest guest]

Hi Suzanne, I had my first attack on Dec. 22nd also.

My hubby and I went to his big Christmas party, our

first time out alone in sooooooooooooooo long. I was

a bit nervous around all the people that I didn't

know. We had barely finished dinner and the pain hit

my side like a rock. I couldn't breath good, couldn't

stand up straight. I tried to walk through the

diningroom like I was cool though. I headed for the

bathroom, Nothing!!! Then I had to get back through

the diningroom and tell my hubby I was having a heart

attack or something. He thought I was over reacting

and gave me a hard time. I barely made it to our

suburban where I tried to throw up, threw my bra off

and tried to get comfortable in the back seat while he

drove me to the hosp. We didn't even tell anyone

good-bye. There were several people at our table. I

have no idea where they think we went. Didn't care at

the time. I think excitement, nervousness, anxiety,

whatever must trigger it some. Great!!! just what I

need. Anyway, just wanted to share with you that we

were probably having attacks at the same time. Now we

can work on getting better. Good luck,

conniechristian

--- suzanne_on_ca <suzanne_on_ca@...> wrote:

> I am on the morning after my 4th cleanse.. and

> Disappointed. No stones

>

> I had had such good results with the first cleanse -

> many stones came

> out.

>

> My 2nd and 3rd cleanse produced very few stones -

> maybe 10 each.

>

> My 4th cleanse I altered hoping that it would give

> better results:

>

> -I cut down on the EP to avoid having serious

> diarrhea on the first

> eve. of the cleanse. Agnes had suggested to start

> with 1 Tbsp. of EP

> per glass of water (2 glasses in all for the eve.)

> and do just 1 tsp.

> the next morning if diarhea developed. I always

> have had diarrhea

> with the cleanses, therefore I just used 1

> tsp./glass of water for

> the whole cleanse. (2 glasses in the PM and 2

> glasses in the AM) I

> did have a slight loosening of the stool, but no

> diarrhea. - so that

> was good.

>

> -I tried lying on my left side this time (as having

> been recommended

> to do for calcified stones). I've been diagnosed

> with stones in the

> gallbladder (after my first cleanse) via ultrasound.

> I thought that

> the stones must be calcified to be seen in the

> ultrasound so soon

> after the first cleanse. I recall that the first

> cleanse I lay on my

> back; and I vaguely remember lying on my right side

> for cleanse 2+3.

> Could this be my problem?

>

> I need to do something because I had another attack

> on December 22.

> This was exactly a year ago from my first attack.

> Both attacks

> happened the night of my arrival at the cottage for

> the Christmas

> holidays. In both attacks, I felt as if I was

> having a heart attack;

> but how do you get to the doctor when you're 100 km

> in the middle if

> nowhere with no phone? Thank heavens the attack is

> only a few hours.

>

> I wonder if the exitement/stress of getting so much

> done and then

> having little oxygen has anything to do with it? (we

> have to burn big

> fires to heat the house up -it's so cold).

>

> Any words of encouragement or help would be

> extremely appreciated.

>

> Thank you for listening,

>

> Suzanne

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Suzanne, I'm hoping others can tell why you aren't having much luck right now

getting more stones. I bet you need to use more Epsom salts and don't worry

about loose bowels. That really helps expell the stones, if you are faithful to

the rest of the flush. And do lots of apple juice for a couple of days first.

Now, I understand about being out in the middle of nowhere. I'm off the grid out

here with a satellite dish for my net and a generator for computer. I split my

own wood by hand and cook over my wood stove half the time (space age and stone

age at once). My back is killing me and arthritis trying to take over. Gotta get

cleaned out. Doing second flush this next weekend. I'm young but feel old, gotta

get better. You are not alone. Be encouraged@! You and all our other friends

doing the flushes are in my prayers. Keep me too! of Dewberry Hill

Suzanne wrote: I wonder if the exitement/stress of getting so much done and then

having little oxygen has anything to do with it? (we have to burn big

fires to heat the house up -it's so cold).

Any words of encouragement or help would be extremely appreciated.

Thank you for listening,

Suzanne

" People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is

out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there

is alight within. " -Kubler Ross

" Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that

followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. "

Holy Bible

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[Guest guest]

Hi Suzanne,

I hope I can give you some words of encouragement. This is only my

opinion and not anything backed by medical knowledge. Only what I've

read and experienced myself.

Maybe the lack of stones on your fouth cleanse means that your liver

and GB is becoming more clear of cholesterol (softer) stones. I think

you should have used the recommended amounts of epsom to help open

your ducts and produce more 'flushing' (diarriha). The bowel

eliminations are not painful anyway and will really assist in the

elimination of all kinds of sludge, stones and toxins in your

digestive system. I'm not saying this is the reason for the lack of

stones, but it does help open the ducts in your liver to remove the

most gunk possible. Like I said also, your liver maybe clearing

itself of stones during normal digestive function because you are now

eating a more proper diet.

Now, there is another problem you have besides cholesterol liver

stones that are easy to eliminate and usually pass out of your body

through regular digestive function anyway. The stone(s) in your GB

that are harder (calcified) have not exited yet. This probably is the

problem still causing your pain since after flushing, your ducts and

liver are clear of other possible sludge or smaller stone

ubstructions. Not sure about that but I know that if you still have a

white stone on ultrasound in your GB then this could very well be

the 'problem stone' in your system.

To eliminate this bigger harder stone you will need to continue

flushing but also try and soften or break this stone down with

certain dieting practices. I've heard that Gold Coin Grass and/or

Chanca Piedra is herbs used to help break down the calcified stones

over a shorter period of time than medication. I am currently in the

process of breaking down a 1cm stone that still shows on ultrasound

in my GB even after 2 flushes.

Even though I feel great (dieting being the major cure), and I feel

flushing is great for your entire digestive system, I also feel it

will mainly cleanse your liver more easily than your harder GB stone.

I think that cleansing is only a faster process to your regular liver

function (as long as it isn't too far defected) anyway. Your body has

always been passing stones in your bowel through regular function to

some degree and you have not even know it. Sludge is also cleared up

from your ducts very effectively with flushing vs. waiting for

regualr body function to do that. The hard GB stone however will take

more time to break down and soften in order for it too to pass out

with a flush.

I think a lot of people overlook this fact because they feel better

and see a lot of soft liver stones eliminated from a flush. Some of

us who are working on that bigger, harder, GB stone have to look into

the breakdown, dieting, flushing process a little differently.

About lying properly for stone removal; I have laid on my right side

and then my back. Not my left side. I can't get any good reasoning

for the difference in opnions. Some say right and back is good for

liver stones, and left is good for heavier GB stones. I think back is

centrally best for all bases. Maybe I'm wrong. I may try all ways but

the main thing is breaking down the stone so that it will come out

while even standing up! Good luck and check into stone breaking

dieting and herbs. Time is needed.

I hope this helps you in some way. Good luck.

Only my opnion because I am concentrating on that 1cm hard stone in

my GB as well.

Barry.

> I am on the morning after my 4th cleanse.. and Disappointed. No

stones

>

> I had had such good results with the first cleanse - many stones

came

> out.

>

> My 2nd and 3rd cleanse produced very few stones - maybe 10 each.

>

> My 4th cleanse I altered hoping that it would give better results:

>

> -I cut down on the EP to avoid having serious diarrhea on the first

> eve. of the cleanse. Agnes had suggested to start with 1 Tbsp. of

EP

> per glass of water (2 glasses in all for the eve.) and do just 1

tsp.

> the next morning if diarhea developed. I always have had diarrhea

> with the cleanses, therefore I just used 1 tsp./glass of water for

> the whole cleanse. (2 glasses in the PM and 2 glasses in the AM) I

> did have a slight loosening of the stool, but no diarrhea. - so

that

> was good.

>

> -I tried lying on my left side this time (as having been

recommended

> to do for calcified stones). I've been diagnosed with stones in

the

> gallbladder (after my first cleanse) via ultrasound. I thought

that

> the stones must be calcified to be seen in the ultrasound so soon

> after the first cleanse. I recall that the first cleanse I lay on

my

> back; and I vaguely remember lying on my right side for cleanse

2+3.

> Could this be my problem?

>

> I need to do something because I had another attack on December 22.

> This was exactly a year ago from my first attack. Both attacks

> happened the night of my arrival at the cottage for the Christmas

> holidays. In both attacks, I felt as if I was having a heart

attack;

> but how do you get to the doctor when you're 100 km in the middle

if

> nowhere with no phone? Thank heavens the attack is only a few

hours.

>

> I wonder if the exitement/stress of getting so much done and then

> having little oxygen has anything to do with it? (we have to burn

big

> fires to heat the house up -it's so cold).

>

> Any words of encouragement or help would be extremely appreciated.

>

> Thank you for listening,

>

> Suzanne