Re: meds and supplements

[Guest guest]

What is this massage you are talking about ? And how can you do it to yourself...please explain. I take ROBAXIN it's a muscle relaxers and not an anti depressant...it works pretty good...but vicodin is the only thing that works when the pain is really bad.

[Guest guest]

I can barely move somedays if I don't take them.

[Guest guest]

I try and walk everyday 20 to 30 mins.

[Guest guest]

my neck and shoulder pain is my WORST symptoms so you take magnuism for this ?

[Guest guest]

Sis, I find it interesting also that this surgeon is ordering lymphatic

massage! I went through a period of about a year where I have body

'puffiness' that I thought was due to Prednisone, but it continued after

I was no longer on Prednisone. I was seeing a myofascial release

therapist at the time for shoulder and back pain, and she said it was

from lymphatic drainage being blocked. She taught me to do lymphatic

massage on myself, and I was amazed the fluid puffiness that just

disappeared with use of this technique. I think it was blockage of the

lymphatic system with silicone 'beads.' My pathology report mentioned

that they were present in blood vessels in the capsule and in muscle

tissue from chest wall taken for biopsy. I've read that silicone gel

beads probably settle in lymph nodes and travel from time to time in

that system, and can 'plug' it up! I've been having some of this again

now with the other Herk symptoms I've been experiencing after having

deep tissue myofascial stretching done. So, I'm back to doing lymphatic

massage! It makes me darn angry to talk about these things that nobody

know anything about--these symptoms and experiences we implanted women

have--because there is no research going on to find out what silicone

actually does to the body, what impact it has on different tissues and

organs, how it gets out of the body, or, does it get out of the body?

and how we ought to be treated for this condition!! There's no concern

in the medical community for us; they have collaborated to pretend that

none of the problems with breast implants even happen in the first

place, so, of course, there is no need to be concerned about treatment!!

Woman who posted in about meds given by Dr. who will do her surgery: I

would take Celebrex for the short term. It probably will be helpful for

pain, and I'm sure your doc is also thinking about the anti-inflammatory

effects. Best of luck for your surgery.

PS I'm sitting here at the computer and my body keeps 'jerking,'

especially my hands and shoulders. It's hard to type. The only thing

that helps with this when it gets bad is Xanax, which is a tranquilizer,

but is also a muscle relaxant, and is a benzodiazapine which meds are

used for seizure control. None of my doctors pay any attention to my

saying I'm troubled by this symptom. Do others experience this too?

[Guest guest]

, Are you suplementing with Magnesium? We're all deficient because of modern diet. I posted several Mag webpages last week. Crocker <dwcrn@...> wrote: Sis, I find it interesting also that this surgeon is ordering lymphatic massage! I went through a period of about a year where I have body 'puffiness' that I thought was due to Prednisone, but it continued after I was no longer on Prednisone. I was seeing a myofascial release

therapist at the time for shoulder and back pain, and she said it was from lymphatic drainage being blocked. She taught me to do lymphatic massage on myself, and I was amazed the fluid puffiness that just disappeared with use of this technique. I think it was blockage of the lymphatic system with silicone 'beads.' My pathology report mentioned that they were present in blood vessels in the capsule and in muscle tissue from chest wall taken for biopsy. I've read that silicone gel beads probably settle in lymph nodes and travel from time to time in that system, and can 'plug' it up! I've been having some of this again now with the other Herk symptoms I've been experiencing after having deep tissue myofascial stretching done. So, I'm back to doing lymphatic massage! It makes me darn angry to talk about these things that nobody know anything about--these symptoms and experiences we implanted women have--because there is

no research going on to find out what silicone actually does to the body, what impact it has on different tissues and organs, how it gets out of the body, or, does it get out of the body? and how we ought to be treated for this condition!! There's no concern in the medical community for us; they have collaborated to pretend that none of the problems with breast implants even happen in the first place, so, of course, there is no need to be concerned about treatment!!Woman who posted in about meds given by Dr. who will do her surgery: I would take Celebrex for the short term. It probably will be helpful for pain, and I'm sure your doc is also thinking about the anti-inflammatory effects. Best of luck for your surgery.PS I'm sitting here at the computer and my body keeps 'jerking,' especially my hands and shoulders. It's hard to type. The only thing that helps with this when it gets bad is Xanax, which

is a tranquilizer, but is also a muscle relaxant, and is a benzodiazapine which meds are used for seizure control. None of my doctors pay any attention to my saying I'm troubled by this symptom. Do others experience this too?

[Guest guest]

hi ,

thanks for the well-wishes!

You know, in regards to lymphatic massage - they are scheduling me

for 15 minute sessions - which is about $25 - so it seems effective

in that smaller amount of time. I will let you know how it is once

I go.

Skin brushing, concentrating on the lymph areas, I have also heard

is very effective. I have done this for periods of time, and must

get back to it. I would google lymphatic massage and skin brushing

and see what you get.

I will take celebrex, or something like it, for a short term

period. My pharmacy didn't fill it for me because they said it was

$300!!! They left a msg for the dr to get a subsitute - ie,

Naprosyn, etc, as there is no generic equivalent. I can't imagine

forking over $300 for more toxins

--- In , Crocker <dwcrn@...>

wrote:

>

> Sis, I find it interesting also that this surgeon is ordering

lymphatic

> massage! I went through a period of about a year where I have

body

> 'puffiness' that I thought was due to Prednisone, but it continued

after

> I was no longer on Prednisone. I was seeing a myofascial release

> therapist at the time for shoulder and back pain, and she said it

was

> from lymphatic drainage being blocked. She taught me to do

lymphatic

> massage on myself, and I was amazed the fluid puffiness that just

> disappeared with use of this technique. I think it was blockage

of the

> lymphatic system with silicone 'beads.' My pathology report

mentioned

> that they were present in blood vessels in the capsule and in

muscle

> tissue from chest wall taken for biopsy. I've read that silicone

gel

> beads probably settle in lymph nodes and travel from time to time

in

> that system, and can 'plug' it up! I've been having some of this

again

> now with the other Herk symptoms I've been experiencing after

having

> deep tissue myofascial stretching done. So, I'm back to doing

lymphatic

> massage! It makes me darn angry to talk about these things that

nobody

> know anything about--these symptoms and experiences we implanted

women

> have--because there is no research going on to find out what

silicone

> actually does to the body, what impact it has on different

tissues and

> organs, how it gets out of the body, or, does it get out of the

body?

> and how we ought to be treated for this condition!! There's no

concern

> in the medical community for us; they have collaborated to pretend

that

> none of the problems with breast implants even happen in the first

> place, so, of course, there is no need to be concerned about

treatment!!

>

> Woman who posted in about meds given by Dr. who will do her

surgery: I

> would take Celebrex for the short term. It probably will be

helpful for

> pain, and I'm sure your doc is also thinking about the anti-

inflammatory

> effects. Best of luck for your surgery.

>

>

>

> PS I'm sitting here at the computer and my body keeps 'jerking,'

> especially my hands and shoulders. It's hard to type. The only

thing

> that helps with this when it gets bad is Xanax, which is a

tranquilizer,

> but is also a muscle relaxant, and is a benzodiazapine which meds

are

> used for seizure control. None of my doctors pay any attention to

my

> saying I'm troubled by this symptom. Do others experience this

too?

>

[Guest guest]

, I've found that muscle relaxers make me feel bad overall. . . GMCLADY98@... wrote: What is this massage you are talking about ? And how can you do it to yourself...please explain. I take ROBAXIN it's a muscle relaxers and not an anti depressant...it works pretty good...but vicodin is the only thing that works when the pain is really bad.

[Guest guest]

Diane,

I totally agree, how do you do lymphatic massage? I think I need this

Terri P

>

> Sis, I find it interesting also that this surgeon is ordering

lymphatic

> massage! I went through a period of about a year where I have

body

> 'puffiness' that I thought was due to Prednisone, but it continued

after

> I was no longer on Prednisone. I was seeing a myofascial release

> therapist at the time for shoulder and back pain, and she said it

was

> from lymphatic drainage being blocked. She taught me to do

lymphatic

> massage on myself, and I was amazed the fluid puffiness that just

> disappeared with use of this technique. I think it was blockage of

the

> lymphatic system with silicone 'beads.' My pathology report

mentioned

> that they were present in blood vessels in the capsule and in

muscle

> tissue from chest wall taken for biopsy. I've read that silicone

gel

> beads probably settle in lymph nodes and travel from time to time

in

> that system, and can 'plug' it up! I've been having some of this

again

> now with the other Herk symptoms I've been experiencing after

having

> deep tissue myofascial stretching done. So, I'm back to doing

lymphatic

> massage! It makes me darn angry to talk about these things that

nobody

> know anything about--these symptoms and experiences we implanted

women

> have--because there is no research going on to find out what

silicone

> actually does to the body, what impact it has on different tissues

and

> organs, how it gets out of the body, or, does it get out of the

body?

> and how we ought to be treated for this condition!! There's no

concern

> in the medical community for us; they have collaborated to pretend

that

> none of the problems with breast implants even happen in the first

> place, so, of course, there is no need to be concerned about

treatment!!

>

> Woman who posted in about meds given by Dr. who will do her

surgery: I

> would take Celebrex for the short term. It probably will be

helpful for

> pain, and I'm sure your doc is also thinking about the anti-

inflammatory

> effects. Best of luck for your surgery.

>

>

>

> PS I'm sitting here at the computer and my body keeps 'jerking,'

> especially my hands and shoulders. It's hard to type. The only

thing

> that helps with this when it gets bad is Xanax, which is a

tranquilizer,

> but is also a muscle relaxant, and is a benzodiazapine which meds

are

> used for seizure control. None of my doctors pay any attention to

my

> saying I'm troubled by this symptom. Do others experience this too?

>

[Guest guest]

,

The massage I was referring to is lymphatic massage. said her

doctor who will do her explant has ordered this treatment after her

explantation. I just sent in a web site about the massage; I'm on

digest so I haven't seen it yet. But it should help explain what it

is. I'm interested in why her doctor has ordered it for her!

[Guest guest]

Rogene,

My calcium has 1/2 the amount of calcium in magnesium. But I have

recently thought maybe I'm still low. I bought some of that 'fizzy'

magnesium, supposed to be absorbed quickly. I didn't take it last night

as I intended, but I'm going to take some now, not wait 'til tonight. I

have my TENS unit on--it helps with the shoulder and neck pain I'm

having right now, but does nothing for the 'jerks' of course! :-)

[Guest guest]

Is there somewhere you can do water aerobics? I think it would really help

you. You really need exercise to help you feel better.

Kenda

> I can barely move somedays if I don't take them.

[Guest guest]

,

Have you tried taking Taurine?

Here are a couple of articles regarding its usage:

Kenda

The psychiatrist, Dr. Hyla Cass, recommends getting as much taurine in your

diet as possible. Taurine is a non-essential amino acid that is thought to

calm and stabilise an excited brain by inhibiting the release of adrenaline.

Taurine is highly concentrated in animal and fish protein, but the body also

manufactures it from other essential nutrients, so vegetarians shouldn¹t

worry. But it is important to make sure that, even when you are stressed,

you are eating a healthy and balanced diet.

And

Taurine

DESCRIPTION

Taurine is a nonprotein amino acid. It is an end product of L-cysteine

metabolism and the principal free intracellular amino acid in many tissues

of humans and other animal species. Taurine is present in high amounts in

the brain, retina, myocardium, skeletal and smooth muscle, platelets and

neutrophils. It is classified as a conditionally essential amino acid

because it is necessary to be supplied in the diet of infants for normal

retinal and brain development.

Research of taurine was greatly stimulated by the finding that it is an

essential nutrient for cats. Taurine deficiency in cats can result in a

variety of clinical abnormalities, including central retinal degeneration,

dilated cardiomyopathy and platelet function abnormalities. Shortly after

the discovery that dietary taurine deficiency leads to retinal degeneration

in cats, it was observed that infants who were fed formulas lacking taurine

had lower plasma levels of this amino acid than did infants fed human milk.

Further, it was discovered that children receiving total parenteral

nutrition not containing taurine had abnormal electroretinograms, as well as

low plasma taurine levels. Taurine has been added to most human infant

formulas since the mid-1980s.

Taurine is produced in the body from L-cysteine. The first reaction in the

pathway is the formation of cysteine sulfinic acid. Cysteine sulfinic acid

(CSA) is converted to hypotaurine via the enzyme CSA-decarboxylase, and

taurine is formed from hypotaurine. Cats have low activity of

CSA-decarboxylase. Dietary taurine mainly comes from animal food. Taurine is

present in very low levels in plant foods. Taurine is found in seaweeds.

The most understood role of taurine in humans is its involvement in the

formation of taurine bile acid conjugates in the liver, which are essential

for micelle formation and fat absorption. Taurine is involved in the pre-and

post-natal development of the central nervous system and visual system,

although the details of its involvement in these processes are unclear.

Taurine also has antioxidant and membrane-stabilizing activities. Much

remains to be learned about the role of taurine in human physiology.

Taurine is different from most biological amino acids in a few particulars.

It is a sulfonic acid rather than a carboxylic acid; it is a beta-amino acid

rather than an alpha-amino acid and it does not have a chiral center.

Taurine is also known as 2-aminoethane sulfonic acid. Its molecular formula

is C2H7NO3 S, and its molecular weight is 215.15 daltons.

ACTIONS AND PHARMACOLOGY

ACTIONS

Taurine has antioxidant activity. It has putative hypocholesterolemic,

hypotensive, antiatherogenic and detoxifying activities. It may also have

steatorrhea-reducing activity in those with cystic fibrosis and has putative

antidiabetic, inotropic and antiseizure activities.

The major antioxidant activity of taurine derives from its ability to

scavenge the reactive oxygen species hypochlorite, which is generated in

neutrophils during respiratory-burst activity of these cells. Taurine reacts

with excess hypochlorite produced in the process of phagocytosis to form the

relatively harmless N-chlorotaurine. N-chlorotaurine is then reduced to

taurine and chloride. This activity may protect against collateral tissue

damage that can occur from the respiratory burst of neutrophils. Taurine may

also suppress peroxidation of membrane lipoproteins by other reactive oxygen

species. It is thought that this effect is not due to taurine's scavenging

of these reactive oxygen species, but rather to taurine's

membrane-stabilizing activity, which confers greater resistance to the

membrane lipoproteins against lipid peroxidation.

Taurine has been demonstrated to reduce cholesterol levels in animals, but

results in humans have been contradictory. The hypocholesterolemic effect of

taurine in animals is thought to be due, in large part, to the stimulation

of bile acid synthesis and enhancement of cholesterol 7 alpha-hydroxylase

activity. Taurine has been found to have antiatherogenic activity in

animals, but there is less evidence that it does in humans. The

antiatherogenic activity of taurine in animals is thought to be due, in

large part, to its hypocholesterolemic activity.

Taurine has been found to normalize blood pressure in spontaneous

hypertensive rats, and there is some evidence from human studies that it

also has hypotensive activity in hypertensive, but not normotensive,

individuals. It is speculated that the hypotensive effect of taurine may

result from the normalization of increased sympathetic activity in

hypertensive individuals.

Taurine has been found to ameliorate bleomycin-induced lung fibrosis in

hamsters and also to ameliorate the side effects of some nitrogen mustards.

It is thought that the possible antioxidant and membrane-stabilizing

activities of taurine may account for these detoxifying actions.

Some studies have shown decreased steatorrhea in cystic fibrosis patients

receiving taurine. It is thought that the mechanism of this effect is

taurine's stimulation of bile acid formation resulting in increased fat

absorption in these individuals.

Again in animals, but not in humans, taurine has been found to have

antidiabetic activity. The mechanism of this effect is unclear. It is

thought that taurine may decrease insulin resistance.

Cats who are deficient in taurine develop dilated cardiomyopathy and

congestive heart failure. Taurine has an inotropic effect when given to

these animals. Some studies suggest that taurine has an inotropic effect in

humans with congestive heart failure. The mechanism of this possible effect

is unclear. It is thought that taurine may modulate the calcium current.

The mechanism of taurine's putative antiseizure activity is unknown.

PHARMACOKINETICS

Following ingestion, taurine is absorbed from the small intestine via the

beta-amino acid or taurine transport system, a sodium- and

chloride-dependent carrier system that serves gamma-aminobutyric acid and

beta-alanine, as well as taurine. This carrier system is located in the

apical membrane of intestinal mucosa cells. Taurine is transported to the

liver via the portal circulation, where much of it forms conjugates with

bile acids. Taurocholate, the bile salt conjugate of taurine and cholic

acid, is the principal conjugate formed via the action of the enzyme

choloyl-CoA N-acyltransferase. The taurine conjugates are excreted via the

biliary route. Taurine that is not conjugated in the liver is distributed

via the systemic circulation to various tissues in the body. Taurine is not

usually completely reabsorbed from the kidneys, and some fraction of an

ingested dose of taurine is excreted in the urine.

INDICATIONS AND USAGE

Taurine may be helpful in some with congestive heart failure and

hypertension. It has demonstrated some antiatherogenic effects in both

animal and human studies. There is the suggestion, mostly from animal data,

that taurine might improve glucose tolerance and protect against some

toxins. Some older studies suggest it might have some antiseizure activity.

There is preliminary evidence that it might be helpful in some with cystic

fibrosis.

RESEARCH SUMMARY

In a study of 24 subjects with congestive heart failure, administration of 2

grams of taurine, twice a day, resulted in clinical improvement in 19

patients. Roentgenographic data helped confirm the improvement. These

positive results were subsequently confirmed in a double-blind, randomized,

crossover, placebo-controlled study in which taurine was added to

conventional treatment for a four-week period. Compared with placebo,

taurine produced significant improvement as evaluated by a number of

measures, including chest films. In still another study, supplemental

taurine, but not coenzyme Q10, was said to have significant benefit in

patients with congestive heart failure secondary to ischemic or idiopathic

dilated cardiomyopathy. This was a double-blind study using 3 grams of

taurine daily.

Taurine has demonstrated hypotensive effects in some animal studies. In

humans, it has lowered blood pressure in borderline hypertensive patients

using 6 grams of taurine daily for seven days. Lipid-lowering effects have

been seen in animals, but human data are few and contradictory. There is

some preliminary evidence from one small study that 0.4 to 1.6 grams of

taurine daily for eight days inhibited platelet aggregation in a

dose-dependent manner. Supplementation with 1.5 grams of taurine daily

decreased platelet aggregation in subjects with type 1 diabetes. Insulin

sensitivity was significantly improved by taurine supplementation in a rat

model of spontaneous type 2 diabetes. Serum cholesterol and triacylglycerol

were decreased in the supplemented animals. Taurine was also effective in

another animal model of insulin resistance.

Taurine has exerted some detoxifying effects in animal experiments. It

helped prevent bleomycin-induced lung injury and fibrosis in mice. It also

appeared to have protective effects, as measured by changes in memory and

lipid peroxidation levels in the brain, in rats exposed to ozone.

Additionally, it has inhibited ethanol-induced elevation of plasma

acetaldehyde in other animal studies. In one of these, it prevented the

development of ethanol-induced hypertension in rats.

In some older studies, taurine demonstrated some preliminary ability to

suppress some epileptic seizures. Follow-up is needed.

Finally, taurine was shown to be of benefit in a study of 22 Canadian

children with cystic fibrosis and documented steatorrhea. They were given

taurine (30 mg/kg/day) and placebo during separate six-month periods.

Severity of fat malabsorption was significantly reduced in most of the

subjects, especially in those with the most severe steatorrhea. A more

recent study, however, failed to note these benefits, but significant

differences in the two study groups may account for this discrepancy. A

second study by the Canadian group showed positive effects of taurine on fat

absorption in cystic fibrosis patients. Again, those with the greatest

malabsorption at baseline seemed to benefit the most.

CONTRAINDICATIONS, PRECAUTIONS, ADVERSE REACTIONS

CONTRAINDICATIONS

Taurine is contraindicated in those hypersensitive to any component of a

taurine-containing nutritional supplement.

PRECAUTIONS

Pregnant women and nursing mothers should avoid taurine supplements unless

recommended by their physicians. Those with congestive heart failure should

only use taurine under medical supervision.

ADVERSE REACTIONS

No reports of adverse reactions.

INTERACTIONS

DRUGS

In animal studies, taurine was found to ameliorate the pulmonary side

effects (pulmonary fibrosis) of bleomycin.

DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION

Doses are variable and range from 500 mg to 3 grams daily.

>

>

>

> PS I'm sitting here at the computer and my body keeps 'jerking,'

> especially my hands and shoulders. It's hard to type. The only thing

> that helps with this when it gets bad is Xanax, which is a tranquilizer,

> but is also a muscle relaxant, and is a benzodiazapine which meds are

> used for seizure control. None of my doctors pay any attention to my

> saying I'm troubled by this symptom. Do others experience this too?

[Guest guest]

Water aerobics would be so much better for you because you get your entire

body moving. The water provides gentle resistance and you can work at your

ability.

Kenda

> I try and walk everyday 20 to 30 mins.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

When I hurt my back a few years ago, I took muscle relaxers for a few

days, and I got so depressed I couldn't stand it. Be careful of the

Vicodin, it's extremely addictive.

Sis

> What is this massage you are talking about ? And how can

you do it to yourself...please explain. I take ROBAXIN it's a muscle

relaxers and not an anti depressant...it works pretty good...but

vicodin is the only thing that works when the pain is really bad.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> ,

>

> Have you tried taking Taurine?

>

> Here are a couple of articles regarding its usage:

>

> Kenda

Thank you so much, Kendra! I've copied the info so I can sit in my

recliner and read it!

[Guest guest]

You're welcome, !

Kenda

11/12/06 9:05 PM

>

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>> ,

>>

>> Have you tried taking Taurine?

>>

>> Here are a couple of articles regarding its usage:

>>

>> Kenda

>

> Thank you so much, Kendra! I've copied the info so I can sit in my

> recliner and read it!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Check out www.magnesiumresearchlab.com for a wealth of info on Mag supplementating. Magnesium plays a big role in many health problems . . . especially muscle pain and weakness - as well as cramping. Dr. Mannsman recommends using really high levels for a while. I credit him for saving me from being disabled. Rogene Crocker <dwcrn@...> wrote: Rogene,My calcium

has 1/2 the amount of calcium in magnesium. But I have recently thought maybe I'm still low. I bought some of that 'fizzy' magnesium, supposed to be absorbed quickly. I didn't take it last night as I intended, but I'm going to take some now, not wait 'til tonight. I have my TENS unit on--it helps with the shoulder and neck pain I'm having right now, but does nothing for the 'jerks' of course! :-)

[Guest guest]

I agree about the magnesium.....but I've been unable to take high dosages myself. I take 400mg at night, and 200-400 in the daytime. Anything higher causes me to become depressed and really tired. I wish I could increase it because it does seem to help Fibro.Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote: Check out www.magnesiumresearchlab.com for a wealth of info on Mag supplementating. Magnesium plays a big role in many health

problems . . . especially muscle pain and weakness - as well as cramping. Dr. Mannsman recommends using really high levels for a while. I credit him for saving me from being disabled. Rogene Crocker <dwcrncharter (DOT) net> wrote: Rogene,My calcium has 1/2 the amount of calcium in magnesium. But I have recently thought maybe I'm still low. I bought some of that 'fizzy' magnesium, supposed to be absorbed quickly. I didn't take it last night as I intended, but I'm going to take some now, not wait 'til tonight. I have my TENS unit on--it helps with the shoulder and neck pain I'm having right now, but does nothing for the 'jerks' of course! :-)

Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

[Guest guest]

Dr. Mansmann will answer personal questions . . . maybe he can give you a clue about what to look for. Leyna <leyna1964@...> wrote: I agree about the magnesium.....but I've been unable to take high dosages myself. I take 400mg at night, and 200-400 in the daytime. Anything higher causes me to become depressed and really tired. I wish I could increase it because it does seem to help Fibro.Rogene S <saxony01 > wrote: Check out www.magnesiumresearchlab.com for a wealth of info on Mag supplementating. Magnesium plays a big role in many health problems . . . especially muscle pain and weakness - as well as cramping. Dr. Mannsman recommends using really high levels for a while. I credit him for saving me from being disabled. Rogene Crocker <dwcrncharter (DOT) net> wrote: Rogene,My calcium has 1/2 the amount of calcium in magnesium. But I have recently thought maybe I'm still low. I bought some of that 'fizzy' magnesium, supposed to be absorbed quickly. I didn't take it

last night as I intended, but I'm going to take some now, not wait 'til tonight. I have my TENS unit on--it helps with the shoulder and neck pain I'm having right now, but does nothing for the 'jerks' of course! :-) Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

[Guest guest]

Maybe it's just that my levels are normal, and those are common side effects of too much...who knows? Every time I have my levels checked, it comes back normal. I may try asking Dr. Mansmann about it though.Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote: Dr. Mansmann will answer personal questions . . . maybe he can give you a clue about what to look for. Leyna <leyna1964 > wrote: I agree about the magnesium.....but I've been unable to take high dosages myself. I take 400mg at night, and 200-400 in the daytime. Anything higher causes me to become depressed and really tired. I wish I could increase it because it does seem to help Fibro.Rogene S <saxony01 > wrote: Check out www.magnesiumresearchlab.com for a wealth of info on Mag supplementating. Magnesium plays a big role in many health problems . . . especially muscle pain and weakness - as well as cramping. Dr. Mannsman recommends using really high levels for a while. I credit him for saving me from being disabled. Rogene Crocker <dwcrncharter (DOT) net> wrote: Rogene,My calcium has 1/2 the amount of calcium in magnesium. But I have recently thought maybe I'm still low. I bought some of that 'fizzy' magnesium, supposed to be absorbed quickly. I didn't take it last night as I intended, but I'm going to take some now, not wait 'til tonight. I have my TENS unit on--it helps with the shoulder and neck pain I'm having right now, but does nothing for the 'jerks' of course! :-) Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

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[Guest guest]

, another thought hit me when I read your last message...the

drugs you're taking have side effects. Maybe that's what's causing

some of your agony. Look up the side effects of the meds you're on

and see if any fit. I am very drug-sensitive and had to quit my

cholesterol pills cuz they made my muscles ache so bad. Also, the

anti-depressants I was on a while back made me aggressive and caused

insomnia. It's crazy....you take meds to get better, but they seem

to cause more problems, overall. Atleast that's been my experience.

My cholesterol was at an 8 no matter how I ate. Saw an article on

silicone a few months back during researching.....they injected

silicone into rats and within a week, their cholesterol shot sky-

high. Interesting, eh? Hopefully, mine will go down now.

Love,

Sunny

>

> What is this massage you are talking about ? And how can you do it

to

> yourself...please explain. I take ROBAXIN it's a muscle relaxers

and not an anti

> depressant...it works pretty good...but vicodin is the only thing

that works

> when the pain is really bad.

>

[Guest guest]

, I go to physiotherapy once a week...it's free for up to 6

appointments, on our Health Care System, and then you have to pay

$30.00 a session. It REALLY helps my neck and shoulder. I've had 4

neck injuries in my life and have had chronic problems...the implants

just made it worse. Every month they can have so many patients.

It's cool....my daughter-in-law and I go on the same days back to

back. I think she has fibromyalgia. Also, a reaction to mold that was

in the basement of a house we all lived in last year at the Bible

College. A neurologist tested her muscles and said, " Have you been

exposed to any toxic substances lately? " Hey! We sure have!

Silicone Soup!!!! Maybe that's why the pain....moldy insides. Oh,

boy...will it ever end?

Oh, dear....I've been a nighthawk again. I had a great visit last

evening with my friend Patty (my son's former girlfriend...now friend)

and her neighbor . It was a real ladies night! Got home at 2

a.m. I miss that and really need the hugs right now. I'm such a

caregiver, it's hard for me to receive. I'm learning fast!! These

women have handicapped sons and I really admire them. They both have

health concerns, also. I'm an advocate for Patty...helping her get on

permanent disability, so she can get the finances and the help she

needs badly.

Sweet Dreams and Lots of Love,

Sunny

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> my neck and shoulder pain is my WORST symptoms so you take

magnuism

> for this ?

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[Guest guest]

Oh, Kenda...just thinking of the water is making me feel better. I'm

going to call one of the pools here and see if I can enroll. Or

atleast go swimming and hot-tubbing. That would feel great right

about now. I dream of the sulpher pools in Banff! My muscles would

just melt! We used to go in the wintertime, and my boys would through

snowballs at us when we were in the hot pool. They would be above us

at the front entrance of the building. Lots of fun!!! lol

Bless you,

Sunny

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> Water aerobics would be so much better for you because you get your

entire

> body moving. The water provides gentle resistance and you can work

at your

> ability.

>

> Kenda

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> > I try and walk everyday 20 to 30 mins.

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[Guest guest]

Not to mention the fact that they are addictive and add to the toxic

load on your body.

Lynda

At 03:50 PM 11/12/2006, you wrote:

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>I've found that muscle relaxers make me feel bad overall. . .

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>GMCLADY98@... wrote:

>What is this massage you are talking about ? And how can you do it

>to yourself...please explain. I take ROBAXIN it's a muscle relaxers

>and not an anti depressant...it works pretty good...but vicodin is

>the only thing that works when the pain is really bad.

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