Re: New member, completed one flush so far

[Guest guest]

sweetie, YES! Just last night I had the same problem and remembered I had

a tube of Sonne's #13 Rectal Ointment. Contains: bentonite, chlorophyll,

benzocaine (kills the pain immediately), lanolin, oil of sesame, and petrolatum.

I just applied some externally and only had to do that once. It's really a

miracle. http://www.sonnes.com/ there's the site and a good health food store

may carry it too! I use a lot of their products as I do bowel flushes with my

colema board and do pre-colema cleanses with their products...really gets a lot

of junk outta the colon.

For pain, I hear some use castor oil packs...which I'd like someone to explain

to me if they will. I used hot wash cloths yesterday when the stones and sludge

were fixin' to cut loose. But before they did I felt pretty bad. Hang in there

dear, we will stand with you. I'm sure others will answer some of your other

questions. We are all learning, even Barry...and he sound so well informed! LOL

of Dewberry Hill

said:

First off, being busy with the flushing, my rear end was terribly

sore from all the activity, is there any cream or ointment anyone can

reccommend for treatment?

Secondly, I read in a book to drink only Apple juice and green juices

during an attack (Like I could eat anything during an attack

ANYWAYS.), to to use Scot Pine aromatherapy oil during an attack to

alleviate pain. Does anyone else have any other suggestions for

alleviating pain? They've gotten worse and worse, and it seems like

vomitting might help, but then the pain still stays with me for 4 or

5 hours after-so although its reduced to a dull ache, its still

debilitating

" People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is

out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there

is alight within. " -Kubler Ross

" Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that

followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. "

Holy Bible

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi - welcome to the group!

sunfyer@... writes:

> First off, being busy with the flushing, my rear end was terribly

> sore from all the activity, is there any cream or ointment anyone can

> reccommend for treatment?

I have used Preparation H, which is a commercial product and works very well.

I have also used Calendula Oil, which works pretty well, too.

> Secondly, I read in a book to drink only Apple juice and green juices

> during an attack (Like I could eat anything during an attack

> ANYWAYS.), to to use Scot Pine aromatherapy oil during an attack to

> alleviate pain. Does anyone else have any other suggestions for

> alleviating pain? They've gotten worse and worse, and it seems like

> vomitting might help, but then the pain still stays with me for 4 or

> 5 hours after-so although its reduced to a dull ache, its still

> debilitating.

This is probably unorthodox to say, but I did find with the last couple of

attacks, that vomiting actually did seem to help. That's probably not a good

thing to recommend, but desperate times call for desperate measures and so I

thought I'd share it. I also have found that drinking water with lemon juice

seems to calm things down. Other than that, walking around - movement helps,

along with massage. You could also try a castor oil pack on the area with

a heating pad. But the most helpful of the above, I think, is movement

and massage. The pain is caused by a stone being stuck and so movement can

help to either move it along or get it to fall back into the gallbladder.

I should tell you, though, that my attacks have never lasted more than 20

minutes, so take my words in that context! I haven't ever experienced the

length of attacks that people have written about out here. I also haven't

had one in a month now (yay!) and have had less than a dozen altogether, I

think. So I'm writing of my own experience.

> Thirdly, I read also that some people have a difficult time with

> taking the olive oil, because it IS an oil...I had no trouble with

> it, but now I'm terrified I will next time, has anyone had

> difficulties with the olive oil bringing on an attack?

I haven't had any difficulty with it and would just suggest that you keep in

mind that you didn't have any trouble with it. Don't let someone else's

experiences scare you. If you let the fear take hold, then your body might

react to that. Each body is different Keep the image in your mind of how

well you handled it. Positive visualization IS a great tool.

> Thats about all for now, I know I'll have many more questions in the

> future, thanks to all that take the time to read and reply to this,

> your answers are very very VERY much appreciated.

I'd really recommend that you take some time when you can to look through the

testimonials and the archives. You'll find a lot of great information in

there!

in health,

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Just wanted to respond to:

" Thirdly, I read also that some people have a difficult time with

taking the olive oil, because it IS an oil...I had no trouble with

it, but now I'm terrified I will next time, has anyone had

difficulties with the olive oil bringing on an attack? "

As far as I know, the epsom salt in the cleanse would prevent any

difficulties during a cleanse. The epsom dialates the bile ducts and

allows the stones to pass painlessly. The oil is needed in such a

quantity as to stimulate the liver and gallbladder to secrete

bile-which pushes the stones out. Your pain or GB attacks are caused

by your body trying to pass a gallstone through a narrow bile duct.

Adrienne

--- sunfyer <sunfyer@...> wrote:

> Hello all, I thought I would introduce myself, and thank whoever

> started this group for all the support and answers I've received

> already.

>

> I'm 21 years old, and this fall I'd just started loosing weight on

> Weight Watchers. Also in early fall I'd started to recognize that

> something was wrong with my stomach, I'd been more gassy and

> experiencing short, slight pain in my stomach. In November I had my

> first fullfledged attack, which at the time I thought was food

> poisioning, I then had two more attacks which I thought were food

> poisioning, and which my mother thought was a stomach bacteria (she

> subscribes wholeheartedly to Hulda , and is using her methods to

>

> sucessfully treat her breast cancer for at least 3 years now)...

> After having 3 attacks in 2 days right before Christmas I made a

> decision to go to the doctor and get this darn thing figured out. I

> just found out yesterday that I have gallstones - the doctor says its

>

> because of my weight loss. My mother suspected such a thing and had

> me do Hulda's liver cleanse for the first time.. lets just say there

> aren't words to describe the event. I have a couple questions

> for you experienced flushers...

>

> First off, being busy with the flushing, my rear end was terribly

> sore from all the activity, is there any cream or ointment anyone can

>

> reccommend for treatment?

>

> Secondly, I read in a book to drink only Apple juice and green juices

>

> during an attack (Like I could eat anything during an attack

> ANYWAYS.), to to use Scot Pine aromatherapy oil during an attack to

> alleviate pain. Does anyone else have any other suggestions for

> alleviating pain? They've gotten worse and worse, and it seems like

> vomitting might help, but then the pain still stays with me for 4 or

> 5 hours after-so although its reduced to a dull ache, its still

> debilitating.

>

> Thirdly, I read also that some people have a difficult time with

> taking the olive oil, because it IS an oil...I had no trouble with

> it, but now I'm terrified I will next time, has anyone had

> difficulties with the olive oil bringing on an attack?

>

> And last but not least, my mother also reccommended I take a

> tablespoon of uncooked flax seed oil (yuuuuck) a day, but I recently

> had an attack shortly after doing so - and once again I'm terrified

> of doing it again. Has anyone out there been treating their

> gallbladder with flax seed oil?

>

>

>

> Thats about all for now, I know I'll have many more questions in the

> future, thanks to all that take the time to read and reply to this,

> your answers are very very VERY much appreciated.

>

>

> Thank you,

> =*)

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Another thing to add to s reply about the attack relief.

My attacks last for a couple of hours in the middle of the night.

I get fast relief in about 5 to 10 minutes by taking an antispasmatic

medicine. Works like magic because the gb will stop contracting and

pushing and the problem stone will drop back into the gb. That's in

my case only. Not sure it will be your case but you can try.

Barry.

> Hi - welcome to the group!

>

> sunfyer@a... writes:

> > First off, being busy with the flushing, my rear end was terribly

> > sore from all the activity, is there any cream or ointment anyone

can

> > reccommend for treatment?

>

> I have used Preparation H, which is a commercial product and works

very well.

> I have also used Calendula Oil, which works pretty well, too.

>

> > Secondly, I read in a book to drink only Apple juice and green

juices

> > during an attack (Like I could eat anything during an attack

> > ANYWAYS.), to to use Scot Pine aromatherapy oil during an attack

to

> > alleviate pain. Does anyone else have any other suggestions for

> > alleviating pain? They've gotten worse and worse, and it seems

like

> > vomitting might help, but then the pain still stays with me for 4

or

> > 5 hours after-so although its reduced to a dull ache, its still

> > debilitating.

>

> This is probably unorthodox to say, but I did find with the last

couple of

> attacks, that vomiting actually did seem to help. That's probably

not a good

> thing to recommend, but desperate times call for desperate measures

and so I

> thought I'd share it. I also have found that drinking water with

lemon juice

> seems to calm things down. Other than that, walking around -

movement helps,

> along with massage. You could also try a castor oil pack on the

area with

> a heating pad. But the most helpful of the above, I think, is

movement

> and massage. The pain is caused by a stone being stuck and so

movement can

> help to either move it along or get it to fall back into the

gallbladder.

>

>

> I should tell you, though, that my attacks have never lasted more

than 20

> minutes, so take my words in that context! I haven't ever

experienced the

> length of attacks that people have written about out here. I also

haven't

> had one in a month now (yay!) and have had less than a dozen

altogether, I

> think. So I'm writing of my own experience.

>

> > Thirdly, I read also that some people have a difficult time with

> > taking the olive oil, because it IS an oil...I had no trouble

with

> > it, but now I'm terrified I will next time, has anyone had

> > difficulties with the olive oil bringing on an attack?

>

> I haven't had any difficulty with it and would just suggest that

you keep in

> mind that you didn't have any trouble with it. Don't let someone

else's

> experiences scare you. If you let the fear take hold, then your

body might

> react to that. Each body is different Keep the image in your mind

of how

> well you handled it. Positive visualization IS a great tool.

>

> > Thats about all for now, I know I'll have many more questions in

the

> > future, thanks to all that take the time to read and reply to

this,

> > your answers are very very VERY much appreciated.

>

>

> I'd really recommend that you take some time when you can to look

through the

> testimonials and the archives. You'll find a lot of great

information in

> there!

>

> in health,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Barry,

Question about the antispasmatic meds. Are they prescription or otc. If

prescription, what kind? Thanks for the info.

-------Original Message-------

From: barry91162

Date: Friday, January 25, 2002 09:35:28 PM

gallstones

Subject: Re: New member, completed one flush so far

Hi ,

Another thing to add to s reply about the attack relief.

My attacks last for a couple of hours in the middle of the night.

I get fast relief in about 5 to 10 minutes by taking an antispasmatic

medicine. Works like magic because the gb will stop contracting and

pushing and the problem stone will drop back into the gb. That's in

my case only. Not sure it will be your case but you can try.

Barry.

> Hi - welcome to the group!

>

> sunfyer@a... writes:

> > First off, being busy with the flushing, my rear end was terribly

> > sore from all the activity, is there any cream or ointment anyone

can

> > reccommend for treatment?

>

> I have used Preparation H, which is a commercial product and works

very well.

> I have also used Calendula Oil, which works pretty well, too.

>

> > Secondly, I read in a book to drink only Apple juice and green

juices

> > during an attack (Like I could eat anything during an attack

> > ANYWAYS.), to to use Scot Pine aromatherapy oil during an attack

to

> > alleviate pain. Does anyone else have any other suggestions for

> > alleviating pain? They've gotten worse and worse, and it seems

like

> > vomitting might help, but then the pain still stays with me for 4

or

> > 5 hours after-so although its reduced to a dull ache, its still

> > debilitating.

>

> This is probably unorthodox to say, but I did find with the last

couple of

> attacks, that vomiting actually did seem to help. That's probably

not a good

> thing to recommend, but desperate times call for desperate measures

and so I

> thought I'd share it. I also have found that drinking water with

lemon juice

> seems to calm things down. Other than that, walking around -

movement helps,

> along with massage. You could also try a castor oil pack on the

area with

> a heating pad. But the most helpful of the above, I think, is

movement

> and massage. The pain is caused by a stone being stuck and so

movement can

> help to either move it along or get it to fall back into the

gallbladder.

>

>

> I should tell you, though, that my attacks have never lasted more

than 20

> minutes, so take my words in that context! I haven't ever

experienced the

> length of attacks that people have written about out here. I also

haven't

> had one in a month now (yay!) and have had less than a dozen

altogether, I

> think. So I'm writing of my own experience.

>

> > Thirdly, I read also that some people have a difficult time with

> > taking the olive oil, because it IS an oil...I had no trouble

with

> > it, but now I'm terrified I will next time, has anyone had

> > difficulties with the olive oil bringing on an attack?

>

> I haven't had any difficulty with it and would just suggest that

you keep in

> mind that you didn't have any trouble with it. Don't let someone

else's

> experiences scare you. If you let the fear take hold, then your

body might

> react to that. Each body is different Keep the image in your mind

of how

> well you handled it. Positive visualization IS a great tool.

>

> > Thats about all for now, I know I'll have many more questions in

the

> > future, thanks to all that take the time to read and reply to

this,

> > your answers are very very VERY much appreciated.

>

>

> I'd really recommend that you take some time when you can to look

through the

> testimonials and the archives. You'll find a lot of great

information in

> there!

>

> in health,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

..

In November I had my

> first fullfledged attack, which at the time I thought was food

> poisioning, I then had two more attacks which I thought were food

> poisioning,

> because of my weight loss. My mother suspected such a thing and had

> me do Hulda's liver cleanse for the first time.. lets just say there

> aren't words to describe the event. I have a couple questions

> for you experienced flushers...

>

> First off, being busy with the flushing, my rear end was terribly

> sore from all the activity, is there any cream or ointment anyone can

> reccommend for treatment?

>

> Secondly, I read in a book to drink only Apple juice and green juices

> during an attack (Like I could eat anything during an attack

> ANYWAYS.), to to use Scot Pine aromatherapy oil during an attack to

> alleviate pain. Does anyone else have any other suggestions for

> alleviating pain? They've gotten worse and worse, and it seems like

> vomitting might help, but then the pain still stays with me for 4 or

> 5 hours after-so although its reduced to a dull ache, its still

> debilitating.

>

> Thirdly, I read also that some people have a difficult time with

> taking the olive oil, because it IS an oil...I had no trouble with

> it, but now I'm terrified I will next time, has anyone had

> difficulties with the olive oil bringing on an attack?

>

> And last but not least, my mother also reccommended I take a

> tablespoon of uncooked flax seed oil (yuuuuck) a day, but I recently

> had an attack shortly after doing so - and once again I'm terrified

> of doing it again. Has anyone out there been treating their

> gallbladder with flax seed oil?

>

>

>

> Thats about all for now, I know I'll have many more questions in the

> future, thanks to all that take the time to read and reply to this,

> your answers are very very VERY much appreciated.

>

>

> Thank you,

> =*)

;

Sorry to you're having problems like this at such a early age. However, it

does just go to show that our social structure just keeps people stalemated

in health issues. Even a diet plan such as the Weight Watchers doesn't take

in the needs of the liver and gallbladder when people are on the diet and

loosing fat so fast. Perhaps an understanding of what and why will go a long

way towards your getting over this dilemma with all organs intact.

First off diet plans don't work as well as just eating good foods, which is

then a diet of avoidance. The main thing to avoid is food that has been deep

fried or has processing done to it, as in the case of margarines and

processed cheeses. These types of foods have fatty acids that have been

destroyed of any nutritional value for the liver's benefit. Where foods

containing fatty acids that are natural, such as corn, avocados, and other

vegetables and fruits, will actually help the liver to produce a good type

of cholesterol that will help in the removal of the bad type of cholesterol

and fats. The liver is the fat burning organ of the body.

Eating these types of foods does three very important things for the body.

It provides the body with soluble and insoluble fiber along with the

essential fatty acids it needs to produce the good cholesterol, HDL. When

the body has the right combinations of foods going in it can then enjoy full

meals and with that realize it doesn't need the stored fats in the storage

cells. that were produced by the body. Part of the problem with stored fat

is its quality and if it was stored as an over abundance in the form of

trans fats it's use is next to nil. So, when a person starts on a diet that

is next to void of all fats the body starts dumping from its reserve the

worthless fats in an effort to supply a nutritional value. But, if it only

has say 10% that is nutritional then the other 90% is going to be made into

a LDL cholesterol. Now the liver will have to form from it a bile saturated

with too much fat. All fat is removed by the liver. It is the organ that

converts in one way or another to use, and/or waste.

What happens with an overload is that the liver produces a bile that isn't

able to handle the load of fat being maintained in the bile salt. So, what

happens is the cholesterol will precipitate and form clusters that are then

made larger and larger with the amount of processing taking place. The best

thing to do in this case is to provide the liver tools with which to help

deal with such an overload of fats. Lecithin and taurine will certainly help

here.

Lecithin reacts with the bile much the same way as dish detergent does with

the fats on dishes having fat clinging to them. Washing the dishes the fat

then is suspended in the water until the drain is opened and the water

allowed to drain out of the sink. However, if the fat load is too great then

there will be precipitation of the fat on the sides of the sink, you've not

doubt seen this happen. That is the very same thing that happens in the

liver and the gallbladder. So, what is wanted is to maintain a detergent

level that will help to keep the fats suspended in the bile salts until

eliminated by the other digestive processes of letting the water out of the

sink, in this case through the colon. Just imagine if next to nothing in the

way of a detergent is available in the water and you'll have somewhat better

of an idea of what happens with the precipitation of fats in the body's

liver and gallbladder.

This elimination process calls for taking in the right amounts of soluble

and insoluble fiber to do so. It, in a since, is then the medium by which

the bile is moved on through the system and out of the body. The faster it

happens the more fats of which are going to be deposited elsewhere, ideally

out of the body.

Here is how the fiber works in this process. When eating a meal the liver

and gallbladder will dump bile of which it can produce up to two quarts a

day, therefore the need for water too, into the in the small intestines when

a demand is made for the enzymes to breakup the food to a useable and blood

barrier penetrable size. The soluble fiber that is eaten is the main thing

into which the bile will be absorbed. The insoluble fiber will be the

transport medium for the soluble fiber.

So, here we have the bile to carry the fats, the soluble fiber to carry the

bile and the insoluble fiber to help carry the soluble fiber containing the

bile on out of the body. The reason we want the short transit time is

because if the fecal matter stays in the colon for too long the bile will be

reabsorbed by the body for use once again thereby defeating the purpose of

fat reduction.

The body's digestive system is a synergetic whole and needs to be looked at

as such. One organ works with another organ to make sure it all goes in

unity, and this all starts with the eating processes; Eating foods high in

fiber and nutritional value, chewing the food well with the best portable

juicer available; the teeth, drinking plenty of water and making sure to

obtain food for the liver in the form of essential fatty acids will help

dealing with the gallstones. Eating more smaller meals a day along with

light exercise will tell the body that is getting plenty of food and

therefore doesn't need the excess stored fats to survive. Once the body

starts getting more of the better bile salts moving through the digestive

track it's very likely the stones are going to start breaking up and

disappearing.

Now as regards your having trouble with taking in olive oil it could be that

your olive oil is rancid or has been processed. It's important to note that

the oils taken in are cold pressed and unprocessed. So, check to see if what

you're eating is in fact a higher quality of olive oil, i.e. one that says

it is cold pressed extra virgin olive oil and see if that doesn't make a

difference.

You may want to consider doing castor oil packs too as they not only help in

getting the discomfort down but will also provide you essential fatty acids

my skin absorption.

For the anal problem you might consider getting preparation H gel. It is a

much more milder topical and can be used internally too.

Drink only fresh squeezed apple juice as processed apple juice isn't going

to be doing you that much good by comparison.

I take a 2400 mg of lecithin, flaxseed oil, and a 500 mg tab of taurine each

day.

I'm looking forward to you being able to enjoy the rest of your life with a

lot less worry about how to live it. Starting young, as you're doing here,

you will certainly be better enabled for dealing with having better health.

Dale

[Guest guest]

,

The antispasmatic medications are usually always prescription for the

strenght. I use one called " Buscapina Compositum " . It's a

Butilhioscina-Metamizol. 10mg. 2 pills stops my pain in 5 minutes.

It's great. Check with your farmacy or doctor for a strong

antispasmatic medication. It really helps but is also only a bandaide

covering the real problem. You need to flush too.

Barry.

> > Hi - welcome to the group!

> >

> > sunfyer@a... writes:

> > > First off, being busy with the flushing, my rear end was

terribly

> > > sore from all the activity, is there any cream or ointment

anyone

> can

> > > reccommend for treatment?

> >

> > I have used Preparation H, which is a commercial product and

works

> very well.

> > I have also used Calendula Oil, which works pretty well, too.

> >

> > > Secondly, I read in a book to drink only Apple juice and green

> juices

> > > during an attack (Like I could eat anything during an attack

> > > ANYWAYS.), to to use Scot Pine aromatherapy oil during an

attack

> to

> > > alleviate pain. Does anyone else have any other suggestions for

> > > alleviating pain? They've gotten worse and worse, and it seems

> like

> > > vomitting might help, but then the pain still stays with me for

4

> or

> > > 5 hours after-so although its reduced to a dull ache, its still

> > > debilitating.

> >

> > This is probably unorthodox to say, but I did find with the last

> couple of

> > attacks, that vomiting actually did seem to help. That's probably

> not a good

> > thing to recommend, but desperate times call for desperate

measures

> and so I

> > thought I'd share it. I also have found that drinking water with

> lemon juice

> > seems to calm things down. Other than that, walking around -

> movement helps,

> > along with massage. You could also try a castor oil pack on the

> area with

> > a heating pad. But the most helpful of the above, I think, is

> movement

> > and massage. The pain is caused by a stone being stuck and so

> movement can

> > help to either move it along or get it to fall back into the

> gallbladder.

> >

> >

> > I should tell you, though, that my attacks have never lasted more

> than 20

> > minutes, so take my words in that context! I haven't ever

> experienced the

> > length of attacks that people have written about out here. I also

> haven't

> > had one in a month now (yay!) and have had less than a dozen

> altogether, I

> > think. So I'm writing of my own experience.

> >

> > > Thirdly, I read also that some people have a difficult time

with

> > > taking the olive oil, because it IS an oil...I had no trouble

> with

> > > it, but now I'm terrified I will next time, has anyone had

> > > difficulties with the olive oil bringing on an attack?

> >

> > I haven't had any difficulty with it and would just suggest that

> you keep in

> > mind that you didn't have any trouble with it. Don't let someone

> else's

> > experiences scare you. If you let the fear take hold, then your

> body might

> > react to that. Each body is different Keep the image in your mind

> of how

> > well you handled it. Positive visualization IS a great tool.

> >

> > > Thats about all for now, I know I'll have many more questions

in

> the

> > > future, thanks to all that take the time to read and reply to

> this,

> > > your answers are very very VERY much appreciated.

> >

> >

> > I'd really recommend that you take some time when you can to look

> through the

> > testimonials and the archives. You'll find a lot of great

> information in

> > there!

> >

> > in health,

> >

> >

> >

> >