Gallbladder Surgery

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I can only quote my own experience, but the stones that I flushed out

using a grapefruit

and olive oil flush were identical to the stones that I had taken out

with surgery 12

years ago(gross- but I have them in a little bag the surgeon gave to

me after my op). So,

I very much doubt that they are linked in that way. I am sure that

other people will

agree.

I don't know that you will find many people who have carried on with

the conventional side

of medicine as well as the natural. I certainly took the decision to

walk away from

surgery the second time around.

People certainly need to look into to the flush that will be best for

them, but certain

ingredients are essential. To avoid blockages you need apple juice to

soften up the

stones. Epsom salts enlarge the ducts to allow passage of stones,

grapefruit again breaks

down certain elements of the stones and the olive oil is an enabler

it moves everything

along and acts as a lubricant.

It is very difficult to get hard and fast proof, but one year ago I

was tired, lethargic,

wanting to sleep all the time, full of constant nagging pain and

sometimes very bad pain.

Now after several natural flushes and looking carefully into my diet,

I feel 95% better.

What can I say that's proof enough for me!!

It has to be your decision to do this, but I think surgery is not for

everyone.

Bye for now Jane

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A lot of talking about surgery, last days.

For those of you who didn't read it, I copy one mesage from Liver Cleanse

bulletin board:

http://www.curezone.com/forums/message.asp?MessageID=179 & ForumID=4

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> Can you tell us more about your experience with gallbladder surgery.

> If you find time, and if you know the answer, please answer few of the

questions below:

> Do you, as health profesional, have any contact with people after surgery ?

My job is to assist the doctor, with images, while doing the surgery. I

really don't inter-act with the patient much after sugery except for an

occasional post op film. I can tell you about the surgery itself since I am

there through the whole thing and can watch on the tv screen (laproscope)

while the gallbladder is removed.

I am an x-ray tech and I run a c-arm during surgery. The c-arm is a mobile

florascopy machine that takes real time images of the body so the doctor

can check for problems in the bile ducts. It does the same thing as the

machines used in the x-ray department for upper and lower gi's. After

removing the gallbladder the doctor will inject contrast media (dye) in to

the bile ducts which causes them to show up on x-ray. This is usually done

after the actual removal of the (usually healthy looking) gallbladder.

The thing that concerns me most about this procedure is that it is

routinely done on very young people, early 20's and younger. Some doctors

are very rough with the contents of a persons abdomen. Pulling and tugging

on your insides like that can't be good, not to mention the cauterizer, it

actually burns the tissue that holds the gallbladder to the liver to

prepare for it's removal. It is not a proceedure that I want to go through!

> Do you know of any negative side effect of surgery ?

There are negative side effects to all surgeries! I believe in avoiding

surgery at all cost. I have seen some real doctor " flub ups " on pt's.

Sometimes, though rare, fistulas are formed between organs after surgery or

they can be spontaineous for someone who is very ill. One very serious case

was a woman with a fistula between her lung and colon. The doctor

discovered this situation while the pt was undergoing a lower gi and

started coughing up barium. Pretty gross, huh? She had also been

complaining of very bad breath. This was a case where the woman had surgery

on her colon and in the process of healing itself the body formed a fistula.

I can't say that I have any clinically proven things I can tell you but I

do know a young woman who had her gallbladder removed a few years ago. She

is in the ER quit often with chest and abdominal pain. I can't say that

this is a result of her gallbladder surgery, but I highly suspect it is,

considering she is in her early 20's and otherwise very healthy.

> Does it happens that people come again for surgery, because of stones

inside bile ducts ?

Well, stones in the bile ducts is a common occurence. In a county community

of around 40,000 people our department does about 10 ercp's a week. About

half of those have a stone in the bile ducts. Some have had gallbladder

removal and some have not. So with or without gallbladder removal stones

are still a problem. Why remove the gallbladder if it won't solve the

problem! duh!!!

> Do you know what percentage of people develop irritable bowel syndrome

after gallbladder surgery ?

I really wouldn't know about this one but the woman I mentioned earlier

does have collitis.

> Do you know if there is any link between gallbladder surgery and heart

diseases - heart attack ?

I wish I knew, but it would make sense that this could happen considering

the contents of gallstones. Gallstones being a sign of bad diet choices.

The truth about healthcare is that most people see a specialist for this

surgery and after the gallbladder is removed they usually go back to thier

family doctor and are referred to another specialist for diffrent problems,

so tracking the connections would be almost impossible.

I hope this info helps.

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[Guest guest]

I had my gallbladder out in '91. This was a mistake & unnecessary (in my

opinion). Find articles to give your father. Especially articles about the

bile duct being cut by accident & repaired without notice to the patient. I

also have occational pain just under the incision that is below my breast &

above my stomach.

Since the surgery I regularly have blood in my stools when any stress happens.

Taking bile salt (digestive enzymes) help some & so does the cleanes. FYI - from

my research the after the gall bladder is removed there is a constant drip of

bile. In normal systems of people with their gall bladder the bile is secreted

when needed (i.e. after eating), but with people who have had the gall bladder

removed you get a constant drip. The bile salts help the flow & should be taken

when ever meals are taken.

Ask him " WHY " the doctor is so insistant. Ask him to TRY the cleanes.