which side?

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In a message dated 2/3/02 11:11:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,

suzanne_on_ca@... writes:

> P.S. I've also had decreased success when luying on my right side. Hmm

>

Okay, now I'm really confused. All this time I thought I'd read that you're

SUPPOSED to lay on the right side. But some say they have less success that

way and other sources say you should lay on your back. Does it just come

down to " whatever works for you " ???

puzzled,

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Okay, now I'm really confused. All this time I thought I'd read that you're

SUPPOSED to lay on the right side. But some say they have less success that

way and other sources say you should lay on your back. Does it just come

down to " whatever works for you " ??? >>

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, I can't tell you which side works best, and Dale said it's for

certain things. For example, he said that if you lay on your left side, then

you tend to get to the older stones, probably the calcified ones. I

personally forgot what he said about the right side. And I think it was Dale

that said this, and he can correct me if I'm wrong.

What I do is I start out like Dr. 's cleanse on my back. Then I switch

to my right side in the second dose because I add more times to my cleanse,

then if I can take some more olive oil/grapefruit mixture, I switch to my

left. Needless to say, I've only been on my left side one time.

And , hopefully I may be ready to do a cleanse this week sometime. I

just don't know yet for sure, though. I'm planning on it this week or next

week.

Take care,

Susie

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<<<<Dale, You did attempt to answer my question before about this. Was about

a month ago. Do you remember? You never did answer two more of my follow up

questions. I agree with your logic but how about my questions, if you

will...

Why do you think calcified stones are THAT much, or even IS, heavier and

requires a change of position for the best effect?sould not the back

position facilitate the best results even if the cal. stones were in fact

'alittle' heavier? Why doesn't the many 'flush-writing' doctors agree on

this topic of the flush, or why don't they mention the reasons?

Hope you can answer with some more light on this subject.

Thanks,

Barry. >>>

Barry;

I really don't know that there is all that much of a desention in the

various doctors methods as to whether a person is to lay on their back or

one side. The fact of the matter is that stones that can float, such as the

cholesterol type, and will certainly be better enabled to get out if they

are in the right possition and there is some presure to be able to push them

out. They can, in some cases, set right at the neck of the gallbladder and

get out just by someone's laying on their back, as the neck of the

gallbladder is still up. Laying on the right side just makes it more up.

If I were to get really anal about just exactly what angle one should lay I

would tell someone to pile their pillowd in such a way as to have the body

laying on an incline of approximatly 10 to 15 degrees and lay to the right

with at an incline of 60 to 80 degrees. This would be done so that the neck

of the gallbladder is vertually pointing at the ceiling. For attempting to

get out calcified stones I would then advise the opposing angles to get the

gallbladder's opening to the common bile duct to face directly at the floor.

If I were to continue in the anal aspect of advisement I would in the case

of a calcified stone note for someone to have a bed that also had a fairly

substantive vibrating system. This would be for the purpose of helping the

calcified stones move toward the neck of the gallbladder prior to the taking

of a concoction for presurizing the sack by getting it to convulse while the

stone is properly placed. Just imagine how relative to a stickyness there is

in the gallbladder regarding a calcified stone and you'll see what I mean.

If you've ever noted how hard it is for a marble to move in your old marble

sack at school you'll understand what I mean. Just imagine your sack being

full of a thick liquid too and getting the marble to the neck of the sack in

that case.

However, this just isn't the most practical of things for anyone to advise.

So, laying on the back or right side will tend to place the stones in a

realative position to the neck of the gallbladder and then the cholesterol

type of stone will tend to get out. Calcifed stones are another arena in

which to work.

Just consider why it is that most attacks occur at night time. People are

laying down and the stone(s) has had a chance to move to the right possition

while at the same time the person had eaten a meal that may have been loaded

with fats that need to be emulsified by bile. The stomach has finished its

job and now the food stuff has moved throurgh the duodenum into the small

intestiines and needs bile to emulsify the fats. So, the bile is presurised

by the spasm of the gallbladder and shot into the common bile duct to be

deposited in the small intestines with the conglamorated food stuff. In the

case of a person with gallstones a stone may also have found its way into

the common bile duct too. But now there may not be enough bile to help move

it along with the previous bile excreation but there is sill a demand from

the liver to provide more bile. Pressure builds behind the stone and so does

pain,,,, i.e. a gallbladder attack insues.

So, without trying to get to technical I would say that laying down is

simply a good thing to do, on the back or right side for cholesterol and

left for calcified stones.

Dale

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In a message dated 7/26/05 1:44:58 PM, farahbar@... writes:

Sorry I don't get it. What do you mean by 3rd time?

Farah

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> In a message dated 7/25/05 11:48:37 PM, farahbar@s... writes:

>

>

> > Dr. Grim, do I need to be off spiro for a month if I have to

repeat the

> > AVS?

> >

>

> Don't want to do it a 3rd time do you?(AVS)

>

> As long as you are doing well on Meds I would sit tight and only

do AVS when

> drugs and diet are not working.   Best to stop all before the AVS

but BP can

> increase a lot.   So need to work with your team.  

>

>

>

> May your pressure be low!

>

> Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chem/Math), MS (Biochem), MD, FACP, FACC,

FAHS

> Clinical Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology

> Director, Hypertension Diagnosis and Treatment Center

> Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension

>

> Published over 220 scientific papers, book chapters and 220

abstracts in the

> area of high blood pressure epidemiology, physiology,

endocrinology

> measurement, treatment and how to detect curable causes.

> Listed in Best Doctors in America

> Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure and the

History and

> Physiology of High Blood pressure in the African Diaspora

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In a message dated 7/26/05 10:37:42 AM, garypatton@... writes:

I have been on 25mg spiro morning and evening (50mg) since Feb.

I only stopped taking it 3 days before the AVS, Is this a problem?

May make interpretation a problem but you have what you have to work with and if it points to the same side as the bump then I go on that. But still need cortisol values ets from your AVS.

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chem/Math), MS (Biochem), MD, FACP, FACC, FAHS

Clinical Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology

Director, Hypertension Diagnosis and Treatment Center

Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension

Published over 220 scientific papers, book chapters and 220 abstracts in the area of high blood pressure epidemiology, physiology, endocrinology measurement, treatment and how to detect curable causes.

Listed in Best Doctors in America

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure and the History and Physiology of High Blood pressure in the African Diaspora