Re: Strange things happening after 2nd flush

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/4/02 7:03:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,

sbulmer@... writes:

> My problem is now my bowel movements are very pale and float. This means

> there is no file in them and I eat a fair amount of protein and good fat.

> Does anyone know why this would be?

>

Well....one reason that stool floats is because of cholesterol. Depending on

where you're getting your protein it could be from that. (Animal protein is

a source of cholesterol)

What did you mean by " no file " ??

in health,

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/4/02 7:43:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,

sbulmer@... writes:

> That was a typo - I meant " no bile " .

>

>

<smile> - I'm surprised that didn't even occur to me!! Thanks for the

explanation.

I'm sure others will give you much better suggestions for your question!

in health,

[Guest guest]

That was a typo - I meant " no bile " .

----- Original Message -----

From: <Rachd1961@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 7:34 AM

Subject: Re: Strange things happening after 2nd flush

> In a message dated 2/4/02 7:03:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> sbulmer@... writes:

>

>

> > My problem is now my bowel movements are very pale and float. This

means

> > there is no file in them and I eat a fair amount of protein and good

fat.

> > Does anyone know why this would be?

> >

>

> Well....one reason that stool floats is because of cholesterol. Depending

on

> where you're getting your protein it could be from that. (Animal protein

is

> a source of cholesterol)

>

> What did you mean by " no file " ??

>

> in health,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I read another post awhile back of someone who continued to passed

chaff in their regular bowel movements for quite awhile after doing

several liver cleanses. Also, you want your bowel movements to float!

Floater's are good! I think it means you are getting enough soluble

and insoluble fiber in your diet, which is healthy for your colon. You

must be eating good fruits and veggies. As far as the color of them...I

don't know, except I think I remember reading that pale is good also.

Check the bowel cleanse board for more info.

Adrienne

--- <sbulmer@...> wrote:

> I did my 2nd flush the Friday before last. I double the olive

> oil/grapefruit juice that time.

> I got about 60 stones and lots of sludge.

>

> I continued to get green stuff out in my bowel movements as 5 days

> after teh

> cleanse.

>

> My problem is now my bowel movements are very pale and float. This

> means

> there is no file in them and I eat a fair amount of protein and good

> fat.

> Does anyone know why this would be?

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

<<<<My problem is now my bowel movements are very pale and float. This

means

there is no bile in them >>>>>

That's not necessarily true. I deal with that same situation when I do a

colonic while doing a liver flush. Pale coloring isn't something about which

to be too concerned after flushing, as long as it is more of a darker color

than pure white and your eyes aren't turning yellow. You should be able to

note the presence of yellow bile in the stool when cleaning yourself, there

will tend to be more of a yellowish tint to it on the absorbed edges on the

tissue. Getting back to a more darkened stool sometimes takes a bit of time

but if you really want to see a quick change just eat some beets or drink a

juice with it in it and you'll certainly see some color in short order.

Dale

[Guest guest]

I don't know myself, but in Report No. 19 here:

http://www.execpc.com/~keephope/phn.html , it says:

QUOTE BEGINS

Healthy Stools:

Size - large diameter 1 to 1.5 inches

Color: medium brown

Buoyancy - floats in toilet bowl.

Form: soft, formed round but firm

Unhealthy Stools:

Size: Narrow - 1/4 to 1/2 inch wide (indicates colon inflammation -

the more narrow, the more severe the inflammation)

Color: dark brown or black (indicates too much bile - diet is too

high in fat). Stools yellow in color or pale can indicate liver

problems.

Buoyancy: sinkers - will not float in water.

Form: mud like texture, very hard chunks or mushy or chronic diarrhea.

Floating stools linked to rising CD4 counts in persons with HIV/AIDS

A chapter in my book " How To Reverse Immune Dysfunction " cites 15

factors that indicate a strong immune system and 15 negative ones

that indicate internal toxicity and imbalance and a weakening immune

system. This set of factors was written about 8 years ago after an

survey of our readers that were HIV+ to determine what factors might

be linked to the rise or fall of the CD4 cells.

At that time I had no idea why the buoyancy of the stools was linked

to the fate of the CD4's. Now as this decade and century comes to a

close, we finally understand the connection between colonic pH, CD4's

and the viral load. It is directly linked to the presence or absence

of acid producing friendly intestinal flora in the colon. When the

stools sink the CD4's fall and when they float, the CD4's rise. The

reason the stools float when lactic acid producing bacteria are in

the colon is that the friendly flora produce short chain fatty acids

that make the stool lighter than water.

QUOTE ENDS

And later:

QUOTE BEGINS

Healthy urine - yellow and clear

If you think you have healthy stools and good intestinal flora, try

this test. Stop taking all supplements with any B vitamins in them

for 24 hours and check the color of your urine. If you have healthy

intestinal flora producing B vitamins, the color of your urine should

be light yellow. When you take B vitamin supplements it will turn

your urine yellow. If you stop taking B vitamins for 24 hours and the

color of your urine is clear, it means your large intestines does not

have sufficient friendly bacteria to produce the B vitamins you need.

As a result, your urine will be clear and not yellow.

Sometimes when you have stools that float in water it could be caused

by a diet too high in fat. The high fat content of the stools may

cause the stools to float giving you a false reading on the health of

your colon. Try a lot fat diet; if your stools sink, it will confirm

what I am saying. When stools float in persons on a high fiber, low

fat diet, it usually means that good intestinal flora are producing

short chain fatty acids that cause them to float in water. This is

what you want - stools that float, are soft yet firm, have a large

diameter and normal medium brown color plus urine that is not cloudy,

but is clear and light yellow. Note: Urine that is dark yellow means

you are not drinking enough water.

QUOTE ENDS

And later yet:

QUOTE BEGINS

My observations in talking to people with conditions ranging from

AIDS to cancer is that when the illness is progressing, the stools

always sink and/or are small in diameter. Unhealthy stools have

always tested alkaline when persons report the pH value to me (always

over 7.0). One example was a lady with CFIDS and severe multiple

chemical sensitivity plus severe sensitivity to electromagnetic

fields.

She reported her stools were the size of a pencil and always sank.

Her physician found the pH of a stool sample was 7.5, very high. I

advised her to start on the high fiber/pectin breakfast. To heal the

gut and for its anti-inflammatory properties to drink 1 cup of aloe

vera juice 3 times a day for 5 days (about 1 gallon). Also to eat 1

cup of raw cabbage or sauerkraut daily plus 3 cloves of sliced garlic

on a whole grain cracker (i.e. rye crisp). She did this and reported

the size of her stools began to increase significantly in just 3

days. When you apply the right solution you can obtain fast results.

QUOTE ENDS

wrote:

>I did my 2nd flush the Friday before last. I double the olive

>oil/grapefruit juice that time.

>I got about 60 stones and lots of sludge.

>

>I continued to get green stuff out in my bowel movements as 5 days after teh

>cleanse.

>

>My problem is now my bowel movements are very pale and float. This means

>there is no file in them and I eat a fair amount of protein and good fat.

>Does anyone know why this would be?

[Guest guest]

Helge Gundersen wrote:

> Healthy Stools:

> Size - large diameter 1 to 1.5 inches

>

> Color: medium brown

>

> Buoyancy - floats in toilet bowl.

>

> Form: soft, formed round but firm

Helge--I have a question regarding my son--Sounds like you might know best of

all.

I've noticed my oldest child has almost always had sort of a " coffee ground "

looking substance in his stool. He's 8 yrs. old. I have two younger children

and have never noticed this

about theirs. He still often needs help cleaning himself because it's like

clay, and this coffee ground stuff is really hard to get off his skin. They

never float, either. The other

two kids go " slick as a whistle " and can wipe themselves without a mess. They

are 5 and 3 yrs. Kind of strange, I don't know what it may mean or how to

change his diet. He's a good

eater. By that I mean he eats a well-balanced diet for a little kid. He drinks

lots of water, eats fruits and veggies. He's even cooperated lately in eating

more high fiber foods at

my suggestion, because it's getting embarrasing for him that he still needs help

wiping. He's nervous to have a BM when he's away from home because he is afraid

he won't be able to

clean up. This of course leads to stool-holding and constipation.

It just seems so clay-like and has that black grainy stuff in it. They are also

very long. I'm not kidding, like over a foot long. I don't want to embarass

him, but I've never seen

anything like it.

I just want to make his life easier and healthier, if there is a problem with

his diet.

Thanks,

Janet

>

>

[Guest guest]

Janet,

I'm sorry to hear about your son's stools, but I must say that I just

copied information from another website (I gave up the link) and

don't know that much myself. I AM trying to find out things for my

own situation, but I can't remember having seen mentioned that kind.

There's a bowel cleanse group at , but I don't know if there's

anyone there to help you. Sorry for not being of more help.

Best wishes,

Helge

>Helge--I have a question regarding my son--Sounds like you might

>know best of all.

[Guest guest]

It is like a beige color, drastically different from normal.

What would cause this?

----- Original Message -----

From: " Dale " <Da_@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:02 AM

Subject: Re: Strange things happening after 2nd flush

> <<<<My problem is now my bowel movements are very pale and float. This

> means

> there is no bile in them >>>>>

>

> That's not necessarily true. I deal with that same situation when I do a

> colonic while doing a liver flush. Pale coloring isn't something about

which

> to be too concerned after flushing, as long as it is more of a darker

color

> than pure white and your eyes aren't turning yellow. You should be able to

> note the presence of yellow bile in the stool when cleaning yourself,

there

> will tend to be more of a yellowish tint to it on the absorbed edges on

the

> tissue. Getting back to a more darkened stool sometimes takes a bit of

time

> but if you really want to see a quick change just eat some beets or drink

a

> juice with it in it and you'll certainly see some color in short order.

>

> Dale

>

>

>

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